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ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:00:00 - [1] Edited by: ToxicFire on 04/05/2007 22:59:08 Edited by: ToxicFire on 04/05/2007 22:58:47 Your accountants must be panicked? Kieron I find it very very hard to believe an option that is clearly very profitable would be undermined by ccp itself without some other way to recoup the potential losses that will occur. Thus leads me to suspect we're going to get an extra charge somewhere in the near future be it increased subscription costs, payments for major expansions. Its quite literally offering your subscriptions for an almost free amount.... unless you require insane amounts of isk compared to the accepted isk to gtc conversions currently. I just don't see how this can work, the only other example thats even close is GW offering free time but full game costs on regular expansions.... a system which i feel certain would not work with the level of eves expansions as they do not offer the level of content. Something like this is just gonna cause rampant inflation as people try and make as much isk as possible in the shortest ammount of time. In short big alliances will all be playing for free while the more casual gamer and small corps are worse off. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:12:00 - [2] Originally by: Craam Hustler Originally by: Baji Core I do like this, but from a business perspective... huh? Is CCP really throwing away that money "for the good of the community?" I feel like something is being left out here. The gametime will probably be fairly expensive, it will probably serve as an ISK sink as well, and deflation is probably important to CCP. 10iskies says we're looking at over a billion for 30 days Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:14:00 - [3] Edited by: ToxicFire on 04/05/2007 23:13:25 Originally by: Mox Trident Quote: In the future, CCP will introduce a billing solution replacing the current system that allows the purchase of game time from third parties for in-game ISK This is the part that some people have missed. The way I read it is that you will no longer be able to buy GTC's from third parties like shatteredcrystal.com or ebay. From now on you'll buy your GTC directly from CCP through account management. This is how I think it will work: Player A will purchase a GTC for RL cash from CCP. Player A will be given an option to either use the GTC himself or sell it to player B for ISK. When player B buys a GTC from a seller, the GTC is automatically added to his subscription time. This prevents player B from re-selling the GTC out of game for RL cash. This way CCP get the RL cash, all transactions are through account management, and third party middlemen are removed from the equation altogether. Your grammer understanding of that line sucks that line say that current system WHICH allows people to buy game time from third parties for isk will be replaced if you read the next line the context becomes apparent From kierons post In the future, CCP will introduce a billing solution replacing See here kieron is saying what is been replaced the current system that allows the purchase of game time from third parties for in-game ISK. In essence, it will be possible for a time and ISK-rich, but financially challenged player to purchase game time directly from CCPSee this is where kieron has said what will replace it note the part that says isk rich players will be able to purchase direct from ccp. Game Time codes will still be available for purchase, but the trade of game time codes for ISK will no longer be an approved payment option. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:19:00 - [4] This is going to turn eve into meta gaming for big alliances. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:22:00 - [5] Originally by: Frug Originally by: ToxicFire Your grammer understanding of that line sucks that line say that current system WHICH allows people to buy game time from third parties for isk will be replaced if you read the next line the context becomes apparent You're commenting on grammar? It sounds like a good step. I'm concerned like people above are, regarding what that means for CCP. Surely -they- know what they're doing, right? I think the GTC's from ccp would have to be pretty expensive to justify playing for free... Otherwise I think we (or at least I) am still confused. Yup i know my spelling and some of the grammar is all over the place but you did kinda take the line out of the context of the paragraph it was in changing its meaning. CCP knows what its doing I just don't think the accountants do yet. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.05.04 23:28:00 - [6] Originally by: Xelios Maybe it's just because I'm really tired, but I'm totally lost here. Quote: In essence, it will be possible for a time and ISK-rich, but financially challenged player to purchase game time directly from CCP. Game Time codes will still be available for purchase, but the trade of game time codes for ISK will no longer be an approved payment option. So a financially challenged person will be able to buy GTC's directly from CCP, but trading GTC's for ISK will no longer be allowed? What am I missing here? Nothing your reading it as everyone else is Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.05.05 10:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Dranadar Originally by: Kerfira My stuff... Assumption? a Clear what is going to be and what isnt going to be, in nice bullet points from a DEV would be great. If what you say does transpire - great. If not I agree, and it IS an assumption/interpretation on my part. However, this is how I read the OP, and applying a large amount of common sense Your assumption forgot the fact ccp already has a secure gtc for isk trading system in place as part of the accounts section. The op clearly states that there getting rid of the current system that allows gtc and isk sales via third parties and that isk rich players will be able to buy gtc from ccp directly. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.05.05 11:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Rikako Nine pages, most of it not even related to the original post: 0.0 alliances, pvp, pirating? Off topic. Short and sweet folks, and honest to the core: If the wave of change washes over you and you don't like it, there are other places to go. Everyone has missed the very fundamental of Kieron's post quote: Originally by: "CCP kieron" We still have a number of details to work out . In essence, nothing is concrete yet. It is an idea in progress, and like it was mentioned by dear Big K himself, a number of details to work out. A number of details to work out. Remember that, take a deep breath, hold for three seconds, let go. Now you may make your next post fellow capsuleers. Warmly, Even with a number of details to work out there is only a limited number of avenues CCP could go down and implement the basis kieron has confirmed for us, those been tiered account classes, those that buy with isk don't have access to all the content using a limitation system such as used on trial accounts currently. Charging for content expsansion packs like AO or GW. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.05.06 11:11:00 - [9] Im just rofling at people keep trying to post as if kieron said that the system will be implement so that third parties are still going to be selling time for isk just under ccp's internal system. Alot of people obviously in denile or hopeing desperately that there still gonna be making isk the easy way. Lets take apart that famous paragraph line by line Originally by: CCP kieron In the future, CCP will introduce a billing solution replacing the current system that allows the purchase of game time from third parties for in-game ISK. This is the line thats throw most people because the wordings slightly off this line is about the system that being replaced not what its been replaced with. if you change the part that says "current system" to "current system with one" changes the entire meaning of the sentence in the wrong direction but the sentence isn't as ambiguous. if you change "replacing the current system that" to "replacement for the current system which" the line clears itself up but the important part is to rember the part in bold THAT IS WHAT IS BEEN REPLACED by a system not yet specified in the paragraph by this line. Originally by: CCP kieron In essence, it will be possible for a time and ISK-rich, but financially challenged player to purchase game time directly from CCP. This line is fairly clear, those with isk who want to exchange time for isk will be able to, and this will be done directly with CCP no third parties. This prevents trading time for isk for players (confirmed in the next line) This I think clearly states that CCP isn't going to be implementing a system where someone buys time its allocated to their account they then can sell it via a ccp system to other players for isk. Theres no mention in the op of these mysterious third party systems that people have said ccp will invent. Most important things to note from this line are "directly from CCP" and purchasing time for isk. Originally by: CCP kieron Game Time codes will still be available for purchase, but the trade of game time codes for ISK will no longer be an approved payment option. This line is more about players worrying that they won't be able to buy GTC's with cash to use normally for their subscription, but also it confirms by saying GTC for ISK trade will be no longer approved, that they will no longer be allowing non official third parties to trade GTC's in anyform. Alot of crap as come up in this thread with people inventing concepts to cover there ass or to deny to themselves the fact something that has unfairly tipped the economy for over a year now is finally about to get binned. Frankly I say good riddance to the system. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango

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