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aknahra	Posted - 2007.05.05 19:48:00 - [1] So....i leave 8 ships in a pos. 6 get bumped out by supercapitals while im online in the pos, and stolen by pods. With the changes to corporate hanger arrays this is BROKEN. There is NO counter to this. This is the kind of **** you quit eve over, this is a completely broken game mechanic ccp FIX IT.
Purgatori Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.05 19:49:00 - [2] petition it
Marquis Dean Energy.	Posted - 2007.05.05 19:49:00 - [3] You know, I could swear there was an existing thread about this, right here on the front page of GD. Nah, can't be. Must just be crazy things happening in my head.
aknahra	Posted - 2007.05.05 19:52:00 - [4] Edited by: aknahra on 05/05/2007 19:51:48 actually not there isnt. its pretty clear that its not an exploit to bump them out. It is however to jump into a bubble to steal ships, it is the combination of bumping and stealing which is a clear loophole, and utter game breaking ****. EDIT: My stealing the ships, the owner gets no insurance, making it a total loss, which is where the real outrage comes in. what is clearly unintended use of gamemechanics has been not declared an exploit, combined with ship theft, its is utterly infuriating and uncounterable
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion	Posted - 2007.05.05 19:54:00 - [5] Edited by: Chronus26 on 05/05/2007 19:50:27 Originally by: aknahra With the changes to corporate hanger arrays this is BROKEN. There is NO counter to this. Elaborate please. -----
Mr Bananas Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.05.05 19:54:00 - [6] There have been conflicting reports from GMs about whether this is actually an exploit. CCP needs to have a consensus on whether this is actually an exploit or not. Because it seems unrealistic, unfair, and unintended, I'm hoping they categorize it as an exploit.
Gobblock AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 19:58:00 - [7] Edited by: Gobblock on 05/05/2007 19:54:32 I've seen this, its a load
Del ReyII Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.05 19:59:00 - [8] Quote this in your petition "The following exploits were addressed in the Revelations 1.3 Patch Deployment: * It is no longer possible to steal from a Starbase using a Carrier / Mothership / Titan." Linkage If the GM says its not an exploit, then escalate it. This has to stop.
Auron Shadowbane	Posted - 2007.05.05 20:20:00 - [9] umm there is a theoretical counter to this which in return can even kill the respecitve supercpaital. take a dead-star-ish pos with lotso guns. anchor a few tec2 large warp bubbles just on the edge of the shield. one might be enough if placed well inside the shield if its possible.
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 20:21:00 - [10] GM's don't give a crap tbh. All i ever get is the basic generated stuff. They never helped me out before. But then again : GM's can't decide to change the rules. They probebly need CCP's permission and thus we need to let CCP hear this and make it an exploit right away
Exortius Amarrus The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.05 20:31:00 - [11] Yes, it's broken. Fix for now: ship maintanence array ------------------------
Kw4h Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 20:32:00 - [12] Another movie Linkage This is a very clear issue. Bubbles were designed to keep hostile ships outside of the POS. Bubbles were also designed to keep the friendlies inside safe. That means, that you shouldn't be able to affect anything inside the shields, when you're outside the shields. I have another movie coming up with capital gangwarps jumping into a pos. The first with 4 capitals, the second with 10 How more obvious does it need to get? _ Planet Sight Wallpaper - EvE map
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.05 20:44:00 - [13] Forgive me if i sound uninformed on such matter's , abit of a pos virgin. Can't you place ship's inside the ship maintenace array thingymabob? Thought they stored ships? BoB vs the coalition of family value's
Gobblock AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 20:47:00 - [14] Don't play dumb, as the OP pointed out if a pos is put into reinforced with ships in the hanger they cannot be removed. so, where exactly are you supposed to store your ships?
Devious Syn	Posted - 2007.05.05 20:52:00 - [15] Originally by: fire 59 Forgive me if i sound uninformed on such matter's , abit of a pos virgin. Can't you place ship's inside the ship maintenace array thingymabob? Thought they stored ships? This is why decent folks hate your alliance. Your a bunch of exploiting A holes with dev's in your back pocket. Your comment goes to show how much this game is broken and gives you cheaters more and more ways to cheat with every patch.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.05 20:53:00 - [16] Edited by: fire 59 on 05/05/2007 20:51:34 Originally by: Gobblock Don't play dumb, as the OP pointed out if a pos is put into reinforced with ships in the hanger they cannot be removed. so, where exactly are you supposed to store your ships? Hmmm, you must have missed the bit where i clearly said i was a pos virgin. Maybe should have put the ship's away before the pos was attacked, never understood why people leave so many cluttering up the pos anyway. Edit - sigh , what's the point. Ask a simple question ......... BoB vs the coalition of family value's
Gobblock AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 20:55:00 - [17] Originally by: fire 59 Hmmm, you must have missed the bit where i clearly said i was a pos virgin. You can't honestly expect anyone to believe that, given your background. I smell a troll.
Kw4h Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 20:55:00 - [18] Captital gangwarp bump attempt Do I need to say more? _ Planet Sight Wallpaper - EvE map
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.05 20:58:00 - [19] Originally by: Gobblock Originally by: fire 59 Hmmm, you must have missed the bit where i clearly said i was a pos virgin. You can't honestly expect anyone to believe that, given your background. I smell a troll. Given my background??? I'm not into all that trolling malarky, i thought i asked a simple and decent question and got some rather curious replie's BoB vs the coalition of family value's
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.05.05 21:04:00 - [20] Originally by: fire 59 [Maybe should have put the ship's away before the pos was attacked, never understood why people leave so many cluttering up the pos anyway. Two wrong doesn't give one right... It is obviously really bad gameplay to use such tactics and you, BoB, claim to be the top PvP alliance in the game? I can only laugh about that. If you can win without using all these exploits, then I would say well done, you guys are really good. But why is it that every and always we hear from such exploits and shady behaviour on large scale only from BoB? Shame on you! If I would be an elite PvP person in a top PvP corp/alliance and would learn of all this bull**** I would throw out those cheating idiots to clear the stained name. A victory gained by unfair means is worth nothing. How can give it you ANY satisfaction? Don't you claim to test yourself against the best of the best? If you need to use exploits to win you are clearly not the best. Think about it.
Royaldo KVA Noble Inc. Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.05 21:10:00 - [21] farjung said in another thread: Concerning the issue of POS bowling: "Several months ago when supercapitals were somewhat newer and shinier, we thought about the possibility and even tried it a few times. A few petitions later and we were asked to desist, which we did. A couple of weeks ago I heard that Evil Thug had stolen a carrier from a POS using exactly this technique, and asked him if he had ever been told that it was an exploit by a GM. He said that on the contrary, Establishment had stolen ships from him at a POS previously using their nyx, and that he had been told that it was a legitimate use of game mechanics. One of our titan pilots subsequently petitioned it to get the current official view on the matter, and was told that it was fine, despite being the source of a lot of petitions. Since then, we've been taking the opportunity to do it every chance we get."
Armenia Elclestis	Posted - 2007.05.05 21:10:00 - [22] Originally by: fire 59 Forgive me if i sound uninformed on such matter's , abit of a pos virgin. Can't you place ship's inside the ship maintenace array thingymabob? Thought they stored ships? Considering that you're in one of the most powerful 0.0 alliances and that it's your alliance doing this I find your projected chirpy ****-Van-Dyke-in-Mary-Poppins-esque innocence to be insulting. Basically mate you can stick it up your arse because while you and yours make out to be holier than thou, in such interesting areas of the internet such as CAOD, you're also bending the rules to the absolute limit and then actively breaking them and still managing to be smack-talking mouthbreathers in Local.
Cursed Ascendent	Posted - 2007.05.05 21:11:00 - [23] I wonder how many of the self righteous on here would be doing the same if they could???? It always amazes me that there is a continued shouting of look what BOBs doing its an exploit. I would guess a lot of people have done this and will do this until its resolved as a bug or not. At the end of the day, here in this situation it just looks as if IRC are just real ****ed at having their systems under siege. With potential of loosing them in the not to distant future.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.05 21:15:00 - [24] Originally by: Armenia Elclestis Originally by: fire 59 Forgive me if i sound uninformed on such matter's , abit of a pos virgin. Can't you place ship's inside the ship maintenace array thingymabob? Thought they stored ships? Considering that you're in one of the most powerful 0.0 alliances and that it's your alliance doing this I find your projected chirpy ****-Van-Dyke-in-Mary-Poppins-esque innocence to be insulting. Basically mate you can stick it up your arse because while you and yours make out to be holier than thou, in such interesting areas of the internet such as CAOD, you're also bending the rules to the absolute limit and then actively breaking them and still managing to be smack-talking mouthbreathers in Local. , wow. Despite the personal insult's and crap spewing from your mouth, i'm going to let that one go. If you want to throw insults in person, convo me and we can have aproper chat. you don't know me so don't talk utter bollox about me BoB vs the coalition of family value's
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.05 21:18:00 - [25] Bumping ships out a pos shield (taking advantage of the pos shield throwing u out) is lame, but so are alot of things that are acceptable in EVE. till CCp say to the countrary, all you can do is bite your lip n try n work around it; & even use it to your own advantage when u can
Gobblock AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 21:21:00 - [26] Originally by: fire 59 [:shock: , wow. Despite the personal insult's and crap spewing from your mouth, i'm going to let that one go. If you want to throw insults in person, convo me and we can have aproper chat. you don't know me so don't talk utter bollox about me Anyone with half a brain knows you were baiting/trolling.
Chewan Mesa coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.05 21:27:00 - [27] Whats this change with Ship Maint Arrays? I thought only things using CPU were unusable/offline once the POS is in reinforced.
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.05.05 21:32:00 - [28] Originally by: Mr Bananas There have been conflicting reports from GMs about whether this is actually an exploit. CCP needs to have a consensus on whether this is actually an exploit or not. Because it seems unrealistic, unfair, and unintended, I'm hoping they categorize it as an exploit. Meh ... it's not an exploit while only BoB and friends are doing it. When everyone has found out about it and starts doing it, it will be fixed. Trolling? No - bitterness... :-/
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.05 21:33:00 - [29] Originally by: Gobblock Originally by: fire 59 [:shock: , wow. Despite the personal insult's and crap spewing from your mouth, i'm going to let that one go. If you want to throw insults in person, convo me and we can have aproper chat. you don't know me so don't talk utter bollox about me Anyone with half a brain knows you were baiting/trolling. dude, your the one trolling. I even said to convo me if you have a problem and you just can't leave it, sheesh. Since when is having an intelligent conversation trolling/baiting, seriously . If you have a problem with me, convo me ingame and we can chat about it. Don't misunderstand, i would like to flame you to hell and back for the stupid comment's but this isn't the forum for it so if you want to, feel free to contact BoB vs the coalition of family value's
Chewan Mesa coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.05 21:39:00 - [30] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Mr Bananas There have been conflicting reports from GMs about whether this is actually an exploit. CCP needs to have a consensus on whether this is actually an exploit or not. Because it seems unrealistic, unfair, and unintended, I'm hoping they categorize it as an exploit. Meh ... it's not an exploit while only BoB and friends are doing it. When everyone has found out about it and starts doing it, it will be fixed. Trolling? No - bitterness... :-/ You know I dont think its a great tactic either, but really believing BoB and friends are the only ones doing it is totally naive.
Torm Ilmater No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.05.05 21:48:00 - [31] Originally by: Chronus26 Edited by: Chronus26 on 05/05/2007 19:50:27 Originally by: aknahra With the changes to corporate hanger arrays this is BROKEN. There is NO counter to this. Elaborate please. I'd assume he's talking about corporate hangar arrays being locked when a POS goes into reinforced. Meaning that if you want ammo for PvP or modules to change your setup you'd need to have them sitting in a can somewhere because when you put a ship in a ship maintenance array you can't have anything in it's cargo hold. If that's not what you're talking about please clarify. As far as the bowling for ships inside the POS shield goes it's pretty cheesy. Our POSes have had cap fleets do it repeatedly for several hours to try to get ships out so it's not just titans that are doing it. While CCP might not be in agreement as to whether or not it's an exploit it's still a pretty cheap way to handle things and you'd think some of these "l33t" pvp corps/alliances that are doing it would show some class instead of taking the underhanded route. Still, it'd be nice to see a statement here on the forums by CCP on this issue.
Elipsis Gallente The Mission Guys	Posted - 2007.05.05 21:49:00 - [32] Seems like the kind of issue we'd surely want a definitive answer to from the GMs. From the programming standpoint, bumping sounds more like an exploit that something a developer would intend to be used as a strategy. -... CEO and Founder of the Mission Guys
Gobblock AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 21:58:00 - [33] Originally by: fire 59 dude, your the one trolling. I even said to convo me if you have a problem and you just can't leave it, sheesh. Since when is having an intelligent conversation trolling/baiting, seriously . Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Armenia Elclestis Originally by: fire 59 Forgive me if i sound uninformed on such matter's , abit of a pos virgin. Can't you place ship's inside the ship maintenace array thingymabob? Thought they stored ships? Considering that you're in one of the most powerful 0.0 alliances and that it's your alliance doing this I find your projected chirpy ****-Van-Dyke-in-Mary-Poppins-esque innocence to be insulting. Basically mate you can stick it up your arse because while you and yours make out to be holier than thou, in such interesting areas of the internet such as CAOD, you're also bending the rules to the absolute limit and then actively breaking them and still managing to be smack-talking mouthbreathers in Local. , wow. Despite the personal insult's and crap spewing from your mouth, i'm going to let that one go. If you want to throw insults in person, convo me and we can have aproper chat. you don't know me so don't talk utter bollox about me try to keep track of who your responding to mmkay?
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.05 22:06:00 - [34] Originally by: Gobblock Originally by: fire 59 dude, your the one trolling. I even said to convo me if you have a problem and you just can't leave it, sheesh. Since when is having an intelligent conversation trolling/baiting, seriously . Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Armenia Elclestis Originally by: fire 59 Forgive me if i sound uninformed on such matter's , abit of a pos virgin. Can't you place ship's inside the ship maintenace array thingymabob? Thought they stored ships? Considering that you're in one of the most powerful 0.0 alliances and that it's your alliance doing this I find your projected chirpy ****-Van-Dyke-in-Mary-Poppins-esque innocence to be insulting. Basically mate you can stick it up your arse because while you and yours make out to be holier than thou, in such interesting areas of the internet such as CAOD, you're also bending the rules to the absolute limit and then actively breaking them and still managing to be smack-talking mouthbreathers in Local. , wow. Despite the personal insult's and crap spewing from your mouth, i'm going to let that one go. If you want to throw insults in person, convo me and we can have aproper chat. you don't know me so don't talk utter bollox about me try to keep track of who your responding to mmkay? You're obviously getting confused with very simple thing's, I was under the impression you called me a troll and that i was baiting by, um, trolling and baiting me? If having an adult and decnt conversation between 2 adult's is to hard for you, then just let it be. I won't respond to any more trolling in this thread, shame but it seem's some folk's cant let there hatred and propoganda stay out of the other section's of the forum's. BoB vs the coalition of family value's
MortyM Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.05 22:13:00 - [35] Originally by: Gobblock Originally by: fire 59 Hmmm, you must have missed the bit where i clearly said i was a pos virgin. You can't honestly expect anyone to believe that, given your background. I smell a troll. Dude, you're the one that is trolling here. You turned this perfectly fine thread about the desirability of the mechanics into a bob thread. You know COAD is that way --> However much you may love or hate the titan bowling, CCP have made it very clear that they do not consider it an exploit and that it's acceptable game play. If you don't agree with this then tell them and make a thread about it, which I assume was the point of the OP. But just a suggestion, it has a lot more chance of succes if you discus it in a mature way and explain why you consider it not acceptable and leave the flames out.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.05.05 22:16:00 - [36] It sounds absolutely lame, it should be considered an exploit, and anyone doing it is a cheeseball. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Gobblock AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.05 22:36:00 - [37] Edited by: Gobblock on 05/05/2007 22:35:55 edit: DOH two very similar posts which i had confused. Thats where this got started I made a big quote tree and found it. My bad
Von Druid Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.05.05 22:45:00 - [38] Originally by: MortyM However much you may love or hate the titan bowling, CCP have made it very clear that they do not consider it an exploit and that it's acceptable game play. Not CCP, but one of their GMs has said it's not an exploit. Just like other GMs have said that it is an exploit. I have yet to see a developer post about it.
Morning Rain	Posted - 2007.05.05 22:51:00 - [39] Would making a box with a small opening out of offlined small turrets work to keep the ships from being bounced out? A cage if you will to hold ships. Would be funny seeing an enemy carrier get stuck in your pos cause he went bowling and got trapped.
Red Crown Kudzu Collective Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.05 22:57:00 - [40] There is of course, one, final litmus test. Tom, Jonus (sp) or Evil Thug must try this as well. And if disciplinary action is taken on them? I can see CCP's subcriptions falling in the thousands. - "The Mains Created the alts They rebelled They look...and feel...human Some are programmed to think they are human There are many alts. And they have a plan." - Forumstar Galactica
Peter Armstrong Caldari 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Gobblock Originally by: fire 59 [:shock: , wow. Despite the personal insult's and crap spewing from your mouth, i'm going to let that one go. If you want to throw insults in person, convo me and we can have aproper chat. you don't know me so don't talk utter bollox about me Anyone with half a brain knows you were baiting/trolling. dude get a grip! he was asking a simple Question and who started to flam? YOU!! so leave it ------------------------------------ It's all part of the Experiance! "IAC: Our wrecks will blot out the sun. BUM: Then we will loot in the shade." :)
sbreach Gallente PezCo - Ice Services Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:03:00 - [42] Surely if everyone petitioned it to ask for a definitive answer one would come pretty soon. As it seems a lot of mixed results are coming about. You would hope if people did petition it now the same answers would be given which would have to be taken as the answer till otherwise stated, And in all honesty from the sound of things it doesn't sound right. like WCS with no drawbacks or all the other things which at the time something at the time seemed almost normal but in the future looks outrageously unbalanced. So I would hazard a guess it is a unexpected "Feature" which was not anticipated, and may or may not decide to keep. As CCP have said they like the ways players evolve the game mechanics to do things which they had no idea or intention of happening. Escrow being the more positive example. (though pvrts do deserve a mention for there ingenuity) All cases of players using the game mechanics for something outside of CCP's original scope. So it is safe to assume CCP never had any intention or fathomed its creation, whether they decide it is displaced and needs a fix, or considered a exploit with punishment or be it another player generated method of playing the game only CCP can say. So while everyone has there judgement on this, and whether they fervently feel its right or wrong, it is solely at CCP's discretion. Although a counter could be a good idea, though i suspect do not leave valuable things lying in POS's will become the default answer. The one thing I've learnt on EVE on-line, is that players will always find more interesting and creative ways in using the game current mechanics to better themsevles albeit lame or until otherwise stated bug abuse. One only needs to read the hardcore winner mentality to understand, you may not agree with their stance or attitude to how they play, but as long as they are within the rules and set parameters they will keep doing it. So my advice is petition it now and ask for a definitive answer.
Susan Acid Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:33:00 - [43] Originally by: MortyM However much you may love or hate the titan bowling, CCP have made it very clear that they do not consider it an exploit and that it's acceptable game play. Titan bowling CCP don't consider it an exploit?So CCP are saying this is a 'feature' of POSes?Victims of this should blame CCP not the people doing the bumping imo.

hango Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.05 23:49:00 - [44] We already have a thread about this here which starts off a bit less ranty, please use that one. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website


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