What do you mean stop caring about stats?

Also for recruitment people take killboard stats into account too, you know?

Also for recruitment people take killboard stats into account too, you know?

Logi drones are powerful in small scale fights. An exec or scythe get an additional large repper from drones. Clearing them is significant (come on drone squads).

Logi on kill mails is nice, but not this way. Killboard stats aren't THAT important.

What do you mean stop caring about stats? Are we playing the same game? One third of the dev blogs are just graph porn (which is great!)...

Also for recruitment people take killboard stats into account too, you know?

Also for recruitment people take killboard stats into account too, you know?

I play for fun, why do you play? Stats have nothing to do with it. IMO killboards should go away completely. All they do is keep risk averse people from yolo-ing into a fight they might lose (which are some of the best fights in the game)

What do you mean stop caring about stats? Are we playing the same game? One third of the dev blogs are just graph porn (which is great!)...

Also for recruitment people take killboard stats into account too, you know?

You know... we just did some pos bashing over the weekend, and my Basi most certainly did not get on the kill mails.

To those who say to stop caring about killboards because they aren't fun, I disagree. They aren't YOUR idea of fun. Eve is and always will be spreadsheets in space... combat stats are fun for me. I like to look at my killboard on a good day and give my head a nod of approval (or cringe when things go pear shaped).

I'm probably the only person who looks at my killboard save for someone running intel on me when they see me in local. It's not a manhood swinging contest, it's so that I can judge my level of performance and rate it by whatever ratings I wish. That is fun for me.

I may or may not start swapping out one of the reppers for a railgun lol. I'm sure my alliance will take note of it and yell at me eventually, especially if we whelp while I'm flying logi, but I do enjoy kill mails.

Logi don't need massive drone bays, also you just need to assign your drones to a target and have them start to go for it to get on a KM. I don't believe they even need to actually shoot.

CCP have been tweaking around with ways to get Logi on KMs for years. This is a widely requested feature.

Uhm. Yes, well. That drone assist thing only works in nullsec, I think, if it even works there. I'm not sure. In lowsec it stopped working when they introduced the agression timers, weapon timers and all that. Also they do have to shoot the target (they don't have to hit but they have to activate their weapons), so they a) have to travel to it or b) be sentry drones. Same problems that I mentioned in the opening post.
Also the target has to be within 60km of yourself (the logi pilot) - I'm not sure if it also has to be within that range for the one they're assisting.
Outside of incursions assisting drones isn't really used anywhere in empire space, as far as I'm aware.

And the fact that this appears to be a widely requested feature actually agrees with my opinion more than it acts as a point against it.

Why do you care about killboards in the first place? What do they add to the game? Do they get you better fights?

Uhh.. yes? I think they do? What's the motivation of all those people flying a frigate to get a single shot on a titan or supercarrier in one of these "let's sacrifice a titan / super"-events? Why does "Nyx tackled" in the ping channel get so many more people logged in than "log in for POS repair"? The chance for an actual fight is probably higher on the second one, the first one usually just means that you log in, warp to the titan and get bridged and if you're too slow then it dies without you getting on the killmail.

Like I said in the opening post, the fact that your actions can be traced back to years later is one of the things that motivate people to play eve. It's not the only thing but it's one of the things.

Edit: But you're still only telling me that I shouldn't want that change, you're not telling me why that change shouldn't happen.

So instead, here's a real example of something we had a while ago in our corp: The player with the most kills in a month got a battlecruiser of their choice with a (reasonably inexpensive) fitting. We got rid of that because people wanted to fly logi even less then. And it would be way too tedious to count the kills a fleet got for every fleetop in a month, check who was flying logi there and add the kills they didn't get on to their numbers. And I am aware that one meager battlecruiser isn't much and people shouldn't worry about it so much but it was a fun contest. Sorry for having fun, it won't happen again.

Why do you care about killboards in the first place? What do they add to the game? Do they get you better fights?

Another thing is... I get the vibe that you just don't want things to be changed, am I correct in that assumption?

This is a **** argument. I am not one of those people who really cares, but I also do understand that a lot of people do - bottom line is, you don't get to dictate what's fun for other people. For a lot of people looking at their KB seems to bring enjoyment, so I don't see why this shouldn't also be the case for logi pilots.

My opinion has long been that logi should show on killmails of friendlies. That means almost no mechanics changes are necessary and logi doens't need any sort of rebalancing - and rather than getting on red KMs, you show on blues. KMs would therefore not show as regular killmails on zKill and such probably but perhaps in another color (say, purple or something) indicating that you performed logistic support rather than applying damage to those friendly ships.

This would allow you to see really active logi pilots from their KB and distinguish them from people who are mostly flying DPS ships. It also means logi pilots can use logi drones, which is what you should be doing anyways rather than whoring on KMs with your drone bay.

Above is an example how killboards provide fun.

Maybe I'll post with my main once you guys come up with a point why the change is bad and not why I shouldn't care about killboards. Fact is, people do. Deal with it. People also care about art or professional football teams, when there's no real reason to. I'd rather focus on the arguments about the proposed change than make this about who's on whose side.

Edit: Another way they provide fun is by having the kill reports after a fight and see how much got blown up. Or to determine which side actually won in terms of ISK destroyed. Even without killboards blueballing would still happen.

I know some hisec corps have a policy of "don't undock during a war" and stuff like that but so long as ingame war reports exist that attitude would stay, no matter if there's killboards or not. A highsec mining and industrial corp does not care about their killboard. They care about getting wardecced every other week because their members keep losing orcas. And everyone can see that when they right click the corp, show info, wars tab and just click on a few of them. (So the problem you describe isn't a result of the killboards but because of ingame mechanics.)

Consider using implants to get better cap stability to free up a slot for e-war. Maybe it'd actually be useful.

And the people flying with you that don't lose any ships because they had you as logi know what you did and appreciate you without your keyboard.

...Edit: Now I get the idea behind that keyboard thing! But I don't get why I can't be friends with people and want to get on killmails. You can probably be friends with other people too and care about stuff.

...The Oneiros has the larger dronebay and more mid slots to fit ewar for example but is a lot less tanky which is why it's used a lot less in larger fleets, if at all.

And why should you be taken seriously if you're afraid to post with your main?

I don't get the part about not using the keyboard but I think I get the general idea. It's true for small fleets when you know the two logi pilots you have with you. But it's hard to be appreciated when you're part of a logi cloud with 20+ logi in them and the Battleships die before you can lock them anyway (nevermind finishing a repair cycle). At least let the records show that you were there!

I never have and I never will understand this obsession of using your main character to post with. Ideas should be judged based on the idea itself, they should not be judged based on the character that was used to post it.
Character age is rendered useless because we can buy and sell characters on a market place.

Hey,

I noticed on the stream today that you mentioned for the anti-headshot-ships that you're aware that they want to get on killmails too. That's great, one of the cool things about eve is that your actions have permanent consequences and one of those is that you can track your progress on killboards.

Logi have a similar problem. I'm aware that you can't give them more slots or fitting room because that would simply be used for better tank / ECCM / more cap. So we use drones, which is fine for small fights.
In larger fights drones have a few disadvantages: The distances are bigger so the targets are often either outside of drone control range or the drones don't get there in time. Or they get smartbombed or die to PDS of a citadel.
So you can use sentry drones. The problem with those is that you often have to leave them behind and when you fight somewhere else you don't have any of them left, because only the Oneiros (and Exequror) has the room to carry two of them in its drone bay.

So my suggestion is to increase the drone bay on logistic ships (to maybe 100m-¦) and increase the drone control range (by 25km or so). Maybe reduce the damage and EWar effectiveness of the drones by 20% or so to compensate, if you're worried that the logistics ships get too much versatility with that. I'm not really worried about logistics drones, I don't see them used very often outside of the alliance tournament. (And if they have the time to travel 80km to a target that needs repairs then they're probably not needed that desperately anyway)

Edit - I Am not a killboard poser ,I do not require a badge for every kill made but it would be nice to have a look back at my history within eve and be reminded of previous moments I have been part of ,this is why killboards work for me anyways

You don't need badges for your kill but you want to look back at those badges later to remember? How does that even work?

I could quote many other game where credit is given for being a logi or medic

Go ahead.

I never have and I never will understand this obsession of using your main character to post with. Ideas should be judged based on the idea itself, they should not be judged based on the character that was used to post it.
Character age is rendered useless because we can buy and sell characters on a market place.

One of OP's argument was that lack of killboard stats when flying logi could prevent him from joining a corp...

"Never write something you aren't willing to sign your name to" A good rule in life, a good rule in EVE. Take ownership of what you say.

It's against the TOS to lie about purchasing a character on the bazaar, so that part's irrelevant.

Heroes of the Storm, League of Legends, World of Warcraft, Planetside 2, Battlefield (any), Overwatch (I assume, never played it).
Happy now?

Logis should get on Killmails without the need of assigning combat drones or fitting a whore gun. Thats not the purpose of a Logiship/Pilot. But Logipilots have a hard time to be reckognized on zkillchecks (by any players) and also, they don-¦t get that positive feedback from their killboard (ahh nice, in the last fleet fight i got on 34Killmails).

So what does posting with your main have to do with kill board stats, or joining or corp for that matter?

So out of your example, you have 3 MOBA which are completely different from EVE, a FPS where healing is essentially used as stat padding by dropping a healing bag then picking back your weapon and fight like an infantry unit and a MMO where the best way to get noticed for how much healing you do it to make sure your group make some misstakes or botch up a CC chain.

That's a great list.

Hey,

I noticed on the stream today that you mentioned for the anti-headshot-ships that you're aware that they want to get on killmails too. That's great, one of the cool things about eve is that your actions have permanent consequences and one of those is that you can track your progress on killboards.

Logi have a similar problem. I'm aware that you can't give them more slots or fitting room because that would simply be used for better tank / ECCM / more cap. So we use drones, which is fine for small fights.
In larger fights drones have a few disadvantages: The distances are bigger so the targets are often either outside of drone control range or the drones don't get there in time. Or they get smartbombed or die to PDS of a citadel.
So you can use sentry drones. The problem with those is that you often have to leave them behind and when you fight somewhere else you don't have any of them left, because only the Oneiros (and Exequror) has the room to carry two of them in its drone bay.

So my suggestion is to increase the drone bay on logistic ships (to maybe 100m-¦) and increase the drone control range (by 25km or so). Maybe reduce the damage and EWar effectiveness of the drones by 20% or so to compensate, if you're worried that the logistics ships get too much versatility with that. I'm not really worried about logistics drones, I don't see them used very often outside of the alliance tournament. (And if they have the time to travel 80km to a target that needs repairs then they're probably not needed that desperately anyway)