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Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:15:00 - [1] This seems to be a popular topic at the moment seen a few talking about in jita! Basicaly look at the stats jita now ahs the highest ships destroyed than any other system! I think concord needs a MAJOR rethink. 0.5-1.0 is High sec this should be a clear none pvp area if you wanna fight each pay concord and off and declare war or get your ass out into low sec or 0.0. People want the cheap prices of jita yet the traders and crafters are now the main targets of attack...This is mind blowing that ccp are letting people do this. I heard in a discusion a few things over the last few days. 1, well people should use a BS fitted with cargo expanders!!! YOU nOOb honestly this would mean no ship would ever be moved from where it was built except frigs and shuttles (one of the dumbest coments i have heard in a long time) 2, if eve didnt have risk i would leave!! what the hell do you call 0.5 and below sectors that is the high risk areas where people can pvp if you want the big money you have to out there, let the noobs and carbears have there high sec, the rest of us who enjoy pvp can destroy each other very easily out in low sec and 0.0 3, "Well at least they loose there ship" What complete bull!! the ganker is making a very calculated attack he is actualy risking totlay NOTHING, he knows the cargo is worth alot more than his loss or he wouldnt do it in the 1st place!!! thats the whole idea behind him ganking. 4, If we moved all the gankers out of high sec low sec and 0.0 would get even better, you can still get the loot and cash. At the moment more than half the cargo the ganker is after gets lost. in low sec you can pin the hauler down and demand he dumps the cargo or pays you a travel fee. twice as much fun as a 10 second shooting cost the trader millions and you getting half of what he had! In short ccp you need to stop people ganking. ALOT of players do enjoy just the trading and original game ELITE side to eve, im sure in the long run this will all work out better for more players joining, new players staying, and trade prices getting better for everyone!!! Finaly note for all you sad gankers in jita stop picking on carebears and get out to 0.0 where the true pvpers hang out!!!
Fswd	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:17:00 - [2] First! Wtf are crafters!? --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it?
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:19:00 - [3] Even as a dedicated Carebear I think you are wrong. You are not "safe" anywhere, but in high sec there are ranmifications to doing something. Simple: You don't have to sell in Jita. Somehow I think that trying to convince CCP to make the laggiest, overloaded system in the game safer and hence moreso will fail. If you aren't safe enough in Jita, sell in Perimeter or New Caldari or Sobeski. The potential of danger needs to exist or the game will go stale. <-----------> Keiron: Quote on PvE/PvP [i]PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:19:00 - [4] Edited by: The Pointless on 06/05/2007 17:15:31 Originally by: Fswd First! Wtf are crafters!? SiJira, is that you? And to answer your question, manufacturers. ----------------------------------------------- "And I scream in a thousand voices!"
Kaar Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:21:00 - [5] C'mon dimmak, post your hauler loss so we can all see what this whine is about. --- ---
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:21:00 - [6] Awwww gosh? ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Entity One	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:25:00 - [7] Never going to happen. Go ahead and quit Eve, or learn to deal with it like everybody else.
Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:26:00 - [8] crafters = people who build stuff! sorry man really didnt think thats the 1st thing people would flame goes to show you!!! Originally by: The potential of danger needs to exist or the game will go stale.[/quote The potential for danger is there thats the whole point goto 0.5 and below for the danger. nothing would go stale at all. there is more low sec space and 0.0 space than there is empire! go explore i can still go 15 jumps in drone space and not see anyone, cause all the SO called pvpers are ganking in empire!!! The gank squads can not loose they only hit where there is a profit making the suicide squads more profitable than building ships and moving them to popular trade zones!
Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:27:00 - [9] Edited by: Dimmak Long on 06/05/2007 17:25:29 Originally by: Kaar C'mon dimmak, post your hauler loss so we can all see what this whine is about. ive not lost a hauler kaar i live down in 0-w i pvp only.. ive been fighting cow long enough to your name :-)
Fswd	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:29:00 - [10] No those are producers, crafting = wow. Go whine there --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it?
Epicurus Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:29:00 - [11] I have to agree. CCP pride themselves on Eve being able to emulate aspects of RL.. Player run markets and so on.. In RL would would not walk into a bank that had 10 coppers sat outside and demand ú1million and expect to get away with it. In Eve all thats going to happen is that you lost your ship, and if you have picked the right target then your quids in. The guy in his hauler/freighter will get his isk back from his ship loss but not for his cargo. If you want to gank people in high sec then there should be a penalty to pay other than losing your ship. I know of people that have been lost 3-4 bil worth of BPO's coz thier hauler has not been quick off the mark. CCP need to re-think "safe space" and concord. Gankers will moan at this coz they dont want the risk but want all the reward.. Privateers, love them or hate them but atleast they take the risk with the reward..
Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Fswd No those are producers, crafting = wow. Go whine there lol you muppet crafting goes back as long as asherons call one!! its a common english word used to mean making items!! Fswd stop before you make your self look even dumber!
Morrath	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Dimmak Long This seems to be a popular topic at the moment seen a few talking about in jita! Basicaly look at the stats jita now ahs the highest ships destroyed than any other system! I think concord needs a MAJOR rethink. 0.5-1.0 is High sec this should be a clear none pvp area if you wanna fight each pay concord and off and declare war or get your ass out into low sec or 0.0. People want the cheap prices of jita yet the traders and crafters are now the main targets of attack...This is mind blowing that ccp are letting people do this. I heard in a discusion a few things over the last few days. 1, well people should use a BS fitted with cargo expanders!!! YOU nOOb honestly this would mean no ship would ever be moved from where it was built except frigs and shuttles (one of the dumbest coments i have heard in a long time) 2, if eve didnt have risk i would leave!! what the hell do you call 0.5 and below sectors that is the high risk areas where people can pvp if you want the big money you have to out there, let the noobs and carbears have there high sec, the rest of us who enjoy pvp can destroy each other very easily out in low sec and 0.0 3, "Well at least they loose there ship" What complete bull!! the ganker is making a very calculated attack he is actualy risking totlay NOTHING, he knows the cargo is worth alot more than his loss or he wouldnt do it in the 1st place!!! thats the whole idea behind him ganking. 4, If we moved all the gankers out of high sec low sec and 0.0 would get even better, you can still get the loot and cash. At the moment more than half the cargo the ganker is after gets lost. in low sec you can pin the hauler down and demand he dumps the cargo or pays you a travel fee. twice as much fun as a 10 second shooting cost the trader millions and you getting half of what he had! In short ccp you need to stop people ganking. ALOT of players do enjoy just the trading and original game ELITE side to eve, im sure in the long run this will all work out better for more players joining, new players staying, and trade prices getting better for everyone!!! Finaly note for all you sad gankers in jita stop picking on carebears and get out to 0.0 where the true pvpers hang out!!! Gettin ganked and lovin it? Cry more Carebear!
The Recharger Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:33:00 - [14] Players should stop putting hundreds of millions in a single hauler and go afk, last week I made 1 billion isk killing 3 haulers around jita. As long people think they are safe like that, there will be players taking advantages of them. I'll give you some tips that will actualy prevent you from getting ganked. Most haulers I gank, are because they dont have any form of a tank. Most haulers have atleast 3 mid slots and 2 low slots. And more mid and high slots on the better type haulers. A badger II for example has enough mid slots (6) to make for an awesome tank, 3 medium shield extenders pimp your shields to just over 3k. Then there is 3 remaining high slots for heat, kinetic and em shield amplifier. Greatly increasing your survivability against ganks. An iteron mkV is even better, 3 medium shield extenders, 2 shield amplifiers and take 2 of the low slots of adaptive nano's. Most stupid people fit 5 t2 cargo expanders and 3 cargo optimalisation rigs and forget about tank, well I gladly will attempt to kill those. Now your at it, once you can fly a iteron mkV you can also fly a viator transport ships with an even better tank. Its people cheapness also that gets them killed. Second most important thing is, never go afk with a couple hundred million stashed in your hauler. Some time ago I had a hauler afking to a gate with gallente encryption methods in his cargo, rougly 150 mill, no tank at around 10km or so away from the gate I gladly took him down and made a nice profit on the item. I tell you this, most ganks that happen are the fault of the lazzynes or ingorance of the hauler pilot himself not the lameness of the ganker. They just exsist because the possibility for them is there. CCP doesn't need to do anything, people need to stop being lazy.
heheheh Singularity. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:34:00 - [15] Quote: 0.5-1.0 is High sec this should be a clear none pvp I stopped reading here, you obviously dont know what you are talking about, PVP should and will occur anywhere in space. If you dont like it, This is not the game for you.
Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:36:00 - [16] Quote: Gettin ganked and lovin it? Cry more Carebear! Oh ome on guys do some of you really not have a single point of IQ ??? im trying to start a simple intresting topic that every time i pass empire people are talking about. "cry more carebear" ?? you gotta be kiding me even kaar has just slated me yet i stand and fought cow alot... and i admit i have lost a good few ships to kaar and his alliance, i ahve never once *****ed about that i chose to pvp! i dont carebear i pvp out of choice! i belive others should have the option not pvp if they dont want. thats why i started the topic!
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:37:00 - [17] Originally by: Epicurus CCP need to re-think "safe space" and concord. Gankers will moan at this coz they dont want the risk but want all the reward.. Privateers, love them or hate them but atleast they take the risk with the reward.. So what is "Safe Space" ? CCP have never ever said there is such a thing, its only in your imagination.
Fswd	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:49:00 - [18] Originally by: Dimmak Long Quote: Gettin ganked and lovin it? Cry more Carebear! Oh ome on guys do some of you really not have a single point of IQ ??? im trying to start a simple intresting topic that every time i pass empire people are talking about. "cry more carebear" ?? you gotta be kiding me even kaar has just slated me yet i stand and fought cow alot... and i admit i have lost a good few ships to kaar and his alliance, i ahve never once *****ed about that i chose to pvp! i dont carebear i pvp out of choice! i belive others should have the option not pvp if they dont want. thats why i started the topic! WoW again. You consent to pvp the moment you log in. --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it?
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Fswd WoW again. You consent to pvp the moment you log in. OP, this tool sort of has a point. Sort of. But anyways, best thing to do right now is to make if harder for the gankers. And there are most likely ways to acheive that without firing a shot and risking sec status. ----------------------------------------------- "And I scream in a thousand voices!"
Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.06 18:00:00 - [20] Originally by: Fswd Originally by: Dimmak Long Quote: Gettin ganked and lovin it? Cry more Carebear! Oh ome on guys do some of you really not have a single point of IQ ??? im trying to start a simple intresting topic that every time i pass empire people are talking about. "cry more carebear" ?? you gotta be kiding me even kaar has just slated me yet i stand and fought cow alot... and i admit i have lost a good few ships to kaar and his alliance, i ahve never once *****ed about that i chose to pvp! i dont carebear i pvp out of choice! i belive others should have the option not pvp if they dont want. thats why i started the topic! WoW again. You consent to pvp the moment you log in. whats your fixation on WOW i have never played the game never intend to, and you carnt tell me that making 0.5+ safer is making this game like WOW..... Asherons call and SWG both had clear ways of either taking or leaving pvp, with the ganking thats going on that boundry is slipping away fast! getting to the point where the will be no need for concord at all just make the whole game pvp and watch how the economy crashes.
Fswd	Posted - 2007.05.06 18:03:00 - [21] Then dont go to jita --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it?
Morrath	Posted - 2007.05.06 18:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Dimmak Long Quote: Gettin ganked and lovin it? Cry more Carebear! Oh ome on guys do some of you really not have a single point of IQ ??? im trying to start a simple intresting topic that every time i pass empire people are talking about. "cry more carebear" ?? you gotta be kiding me even kaar has just slated me yet i stand and fought cow alot... and i admit i have lost a good few ships to kaar and his alliance, i ahve never once ***ed about that i chose to pvp! i dont carebear i pvp out of choice! i belive others should have the option not pvp if they dont want. thats why i started the topic! Lol, Im just teasing you Dim. Your argument does have a legitament ** with point #3 of your OP. Especially, when insurance is given out to the gankers from being concorded.
Kesh McCall Caldari Malkalen Enterprises	Posted - 2007.05.06 18:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Dimmak Long Originally by: Fswd No those are producers, crafting = wow. Go whine there lol you muppet crafting goes back as long as asherons call one!! Ultima online anyone ?
JADE DRAG0NESS Bright New Dawn Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.06 18:18:00 - [24] I love real world anologys applied to a badly designed game like this . I walk down a street in my home citys shoping centre and i decide i want to murder a child [Newbie]. So i stand next to some policemen and drop a ú10 note and walk a short distance away. A short while later a chile walks bye sees the ú10 and picks it up. Now i can kill him. I do and then i clamly walk by the police laughing while they eat there doenuts. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.05.06 18:30:00 - [25] Originally by: Dimmak Long This seems to be a popular topic at the moment seen a few talking about in jita! Basicaly look at the stats jita now ahs the highest ships destroyed than any other system! I think concord needs a MAJOR rethink. 0.5-1.0 is High sec this should be a clear none pvp area if you wanna fight each pay concord and off and declare war or get your ass out into low sec or 0.0. People want the cheap prices of jita yet the traders and crafters are now the main targets of attack...This is mind blowing that ccp are letting people do this. I heard in a discusion a few things over the last few days. 1, well people should use a BS fitted with cargo expanders!!! YOU nOOb honestly this would mean no ship would ever be moved from where it was built except frigs and shuttles (one of the dumbest coments i have heard in a long time) 2, if eve didnt have risk i would leave!! what the hell do you call 0.5 and below sectors that is the high risk areas where people can pvp if you want the big money you have to out there, let the noobs and carbears have there high sec, the rest of us who enjoy pvp can destroy each other very easily out in low sec and 0.0 3, "Well at least they loose there ship" What complete bull!! the ganker is making a very calculated attack he is actualy risking totlay NOTHING, he knows the cargo is worth alot more than his loss or he wouldnt do it in the 1st place!!! thats the whole idea behind him ganking. 4, If we moved all the gankers out of high sec low sec and 0.0 would get even better, you can still get the loot and cash. At the moment more than half the cargo the ganker is after gets lost. in low sec you can pin the hauler down and demand he dumps the cargo or pays you a travel fee. twice as much fun as a 10 second shooting cost the trader millions and you getting half of what he had! In short ccp you need to stop people ganking. ALOT of players do enjoy just the trading and original game ELITE side to eve, im sure in the long run this will all work out better for more players joining, new players staying, and trade prices getting better for everyone!!! Finaly note for all you sad gankers in jita stop picking on carebears and get out to 0.0 where the true pvpers hang out!!! As so many people before me have told you, you agree to PvP the same second you you log in. This is a PvP game. That is how it have been. That is how it is. And that is how it will stay in the future. For further reference: PvP does not only mean battle! PvP means anything that is a relation with other players: One player make stuff, sell it on the market. Some People buy it. PvP. Other tries to take up competition, sells product cheaper. PvP. Some others are trying to become owner of the whole market, starts podding the people who make the stuff, making it difficult for them to make stuff, so the looser ends with no product to sell on market. The winner owns the market. PvP. Then ofcource the pirates kills traders at trade hubs. Lot of value there. PvP. SOme other pirates roam low sec. PvP. Miners try to mine and build stuff, but are constantly shot down or outmined by a different corporation/alliance. PvP. Trade scams? PvP. Corp Theft? PvP. Building a deep space home. PvP. In everything you do in EVE: you find PvP. Why? Because there are no NPC interference, except in Empire. But that you can buy your way around by declaring a war on a corporation. But ofcource, you can always take the hit, and go for a kill anyay. Because as in real life, the police comes after the crime is done. EVE = PvP. And thats how we like it. Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Requiem of Hades	Posted - 2007.05.06 18:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker EVE = PvP. And thats how we like it. Then why not you live in 0.0 or null sec? Plenty of fighting there. High sec safe space is not meant for griefing. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Samuel Freedom Minmatar Ramdon Industries corporation	Posted - 2007.05.06 18:32:00 - [27] PvP, ganking w/e you want to call it is everywhere and I hope it stays that way. Having non PvP space stinks of games like WoW. Being ganked anywhere and not being safe is part of what EVE is about. If you don't like it why are you playing ?
Red Crown Kudzu Collective Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.06 18:42:00 - [28] Lets see if I can put it this way. You spot jewelry in a nearby car. The driver of the car is asleep. Its the middle of the city so there are cops around. You and a few friends decide you like the jewelry and hate the driver so you grab a few AK-47s and blow the car to bits. The police promptly arrive and blow your brains out. But the car is still dead. A seemingly innocent bystander reaches in and takes the loot and runs off. This is high sec ganking. Except in eve you can come back to life. Most of the time the police can't stop a murder-suicide and eve is no different. This is why we have what are called "Sec status hits." Now to the OP and anyone who sympathizes, eve is as real as it gets. The second you step out of a building onto the street you can be mugged or even shot. Once you undock, you are no longer safe. Although I do agree its bad they get insurance. And by the way I have a healthy respect for high sec gankers. They at least think outside the box. - "The Mains Created the alts They rebelled They look...and feel...human Some are programmed to think they are human There are many alts. And they have a plan." - Forumstar Galactica
Sergis Caldari Life Extermination Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.05.06 18:45:00 - [29] Where else do we get our money to fight the real PVPers hehe, I'm sorry man but if you can't take it go join WOW or Maple Story. --- http://www.freewebs.com/brodieslife/Gin%20Rummy%20Boondocks.jpg
Sergis Caldari Life Extermination Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.05.06 18:47:00 - [30] Read the Alliance name --- http://www.freewebs.com/brodieslife/Gin%20Rummy%20Boondocks.jpg
Epicurus Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.05.06 18:52:00 - [31] Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS I love real world anologys applied to a badly designed game like this . I walk down a street in my home citys shoping centre and i decide i want to murder a child [Newbie]. . humm.. bad call mate.. regardless of how your see a newbie, they way you discribe this is out of order buddy.. not cool The point being made is that you expect a higher degree of safty in 0.5 to 1.0 that is currenlty being deployed. Its all too easy for ganker. No risk, all reward...
Jubar	Posted - 2007.05.06 18:52:00 - [32] ermm, those criminals can't come back alive via clone. you want it to be like you said, take ouot clones can't compare it to real life, because you can't come back to life.
JourneymanDave devastation mining inc Hell Hounds	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:49:00 - [33] Originally by: Epicurus If you want to gank people in high sec then there should be a penalty to pay other than losing your ship. Hmm, like a security rating penalty, so that repeat offenders could no longer enter secure space. Oh wait... Yah, the problem isn't particularly that there's not a suitable penalty, it's moreso that there are ways of easily circumventing it with freely-available alt and trial accounts. The security rating penalty is fine as it is, let's work on the loopholes, shall we?
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:56:00 - [34] Insurance people, insurance. Incurring the wrath of CONCORD should make any insurance policy on your boat null and void. ----------------------------------------------- "And I scream in a thousand voices!"
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:13:00 - [35] The problem is not the freedom of being able to attack others, or "do as you like" anywhere in EVE, its the lack of reprocussions. Maybe if CONCORD detained suicide gankers for 24 hours after the incident in their station (ie: temporary character ban from the game) people would only use suicide gankings when necessary. As it stands, the whole "well, you lose your ship, and thats punishment enough" nonsense is not satisfactory for this problem. Maybe CONCORD should pod gankers, or atleast, gank their security to -10. Gankers are the equivalent of terrorists in game, you think the police will just let this person walk out the door and back into another vehicle?
Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:22:00 - [36] Originally by: Sergis Where else do we get our money to fight the real PVPers hehe, I'm sorry man but if you can't take it go join WOW or Maple Story. Whats with all the coments about if you carnt take it join wow or quit etc.!!! we can take we are taking and giving it as well :-) This is what you call a topic of converstation! some of you really do have issues with not been able to just have a simple chat and a point of view!!
Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:27:00 - [37] Originally by: The Pointless Edited by: The Pointless on 06/05/2007 19:56:39 Insurance people, insurance. Incurring the wrath of CONCORD should make any insurance policy on your boat null and void. (Not my idea) Excellent and straight forward sollution tehy will still be able to earn however! i think simple concord jammer turrets at the gates would possibly do it. you ahve to pay concord to start a war! this should be forced to be used more tehn if you want to take down peoples freighters you have to war dec them!
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:29:00 - [38] Originally by: Dimmak Long Originally by: The Pointless Edited by: The Pointless on 06/05/2007 19:56:39 Insurance people, insurance. Incurring the wrath of CONCORD should make any insurance policy on your boat null and void. (Not my idea) Excellent and straight forward sollution tehy will still be able to earn however! i think simple concord jammer turrets at the gates would possibly do it. you ahve to pay concord to start a war! this should be forced to be used more tehn if you want to take down peoples freighters you have to war dec them! Another idea which could go alongside the insurance one would be to make CONCORD spank harder. ----------------------------------------------- "And I scream in a thousand voices!"
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:31:00 - [39] Originally by: Dimmak Long .....and SWG both had clear ways of either taking or leaving pvp.... Errrr, comparing to SWG while suggesting a fundemental change to some of the things that define Eve at it's core.....is not a way to help your arguement.
Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:41:00 - [40] Originally by: Siege Originally by: Dimmak Long .....and SWG both had clear ways of either taking or leaving pvp.... Errrr, comparing to SWG while suggesting a fundemental change to some of the things that define Eve at it's core.....is not a way to help your arguement. think your over doing doing it!! ganking freighters in jita is a fundemental thing that defines eve.. i ahve to disagree..... really now dont get carried away there is no possitive thing about cominting suicide and making profit from it!!!! if ccp had set an insurance repayment to high and you could make money from blowing up your ship it would soon get changed!!!
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.05.06 21:28:00 - [41] Eve is about pvp. Non consentual if need be. High sec in itself is an aberration to the concept of eve. No pvp zones, no pvp flags. If you undock or leave pos shields, everything is fair game... Empire was added to be a newbie playing field, and it's implementation is very good. No one wants to waste isk to gank new players, but older players are fair game, as long as you pay the price of losing your ship... Still, if you only want to trade, try blocade runners, or fitting wcs. There is no way of holding someone down in empire, since bubbles are not deployble in empire... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Ash Vincetti Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.05.06 22:07:00 - [42] Originally by: Dimmak Long if you want to take down peoples freighters you have to war dec them! You can't wardeck them when they hide in NPC corps! Therefore, they get suicided, because it's the only tactic left. -----
Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.06 22:35:00 - [43] Originally by: Ash Vincetti Originally by: Dimmak Long if you want to take down peoples freighters you have to war dec them! You can't wardeck them when they hide in NPC corps! Therefore, they get suicided, because it's the only tactic left. Well it has been suggested noob corps should be nerfed as thats where the isk selling miners live........ after 1 month you have to find a real corp etc or make your own. And no war dec is under used feature! Also you know fine well there are people been ganked if there in a corp or noob corp they dont care who they hit! just as i dont if i see some one come through my gate camp if there not friendly they die! or do trying :-)
JADE DRAG0NESS Bright New Dawn Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.06 23:09:00 - [44] I have no problem with being ganked just as long as its avoidable. But i just find the penalty system for high sec ganking with ganking alts a bit wrong. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
heheheh Singularity. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.05.06 23:20:00 - [45] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker EVE = PvP. And thats how we like it. Then why not you live in 0.0 or null sec? Plenty of fighting there. High sec safe space is not meant for griefing. Nowhere is meant for greifing, everywhere is meant for PVP.
Hunlight Faithus	Posted - 2007.05.06 23:35:00 - [46] right i seen this a few tiems this time i will comment yes ccp needs ot do soemthing about it but if a perosn wnats to take a risk they can. second would people stop flaming carebears, think about if it wern't for them there would be a lack fo ships and ammo and just about everything, it is damn stupid haing a go at care bears they can pkay how they want and should be allowed so STFU AND GO BACK TO 0.0 ( note i fly in 0.0 sometimes before flaming me about been a carebear)
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 00:08:00 - [47] Originally by: Hunlight Faithus right i seen this a few tiems this time i will comment yes ccp needs ot do soemthing about it but if a perosn wnats to take a risk they can. second would people stop flaming carebears, think about if it wern't for them there would be a lack fo ships and ammo and just about everything, it is damn stupid haing a go at care bears they can pkay how they want and should be allowed so STFU AND GO BACK TO 0.0 ( note i fly in 0.0 sometimes before flaming me about been a carebear) This post in itself is full justification for carebear flaming. In fact its SOOO bad i suspect its a spoof SKUNK
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.07 01:35:00 - [48] anyone thinking concord doesnt need to be remade in a new way has their eyes blinded with the isk they get off looting ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
SumDum AirHawk Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 02:45:00 - [49] Edited by: SumDum on 07/05/2007 02:42:08 must ... resist ... the urge to .... Nope, can't do it must post: Last 10 posts by OP Post with your main about this sort of stuff, that way people can experience in-game the proper amount of greifing for being such a carebear. AHE wants YOU!
Cipher7 Keepers of the Holy Bagel SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 03:58:00 - [50] Every store has to deal with "shrinkage" (loss.) You put 50 cans of cookies on the shelf, 48 cans get sold, the shelf is empty. You calculate the price of the cookies to account for the loss. Its part of any business. Also part of business is that other vendors will interdict your shipment of goods, to set their prices higher. Eve is a PVP game, and that PVP is economic and industrial in addition to military. And I think carebears should stop calling themselves "crafters." Where I'm from, everybody mines, everybody builds, everybody fights. If you ask me, highsec sucks and anybody who is past 1-2 months should get the heck out of highsec.
Grash Freedom Gallente MAZA Solutions	Posted - 2007.05.07 04:05:00 - [51] crafters??? imao mate this is EVE not WoW, if you want to live/play in a fakeneverloseanything world, then eve is not for you Empire ganking is perfectly fine, nowhere in eve you are safe ffs people stop trying to make this game like the ones you just left!
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.07 04:07:00 - [52] Originally by: Cipher7 Where I'm from, everybody mines, everybody builds, everybody fights. where you are from is one hell of an inefficient place ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Misanth X-Fire	Posted - 2007.05.07 04:27:00 - [53] Edited by: Misanth on 07/05/2007 04:24:55 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker EVE = PvP. And thats how we like it. Then why not you live in 0.0 or null sec? Plenty of fighting there. High sec safe space is not meant for griefing. Because it's incredibly boring pvp in 0.0? Everyone and their mother blobcamp the bottlenecks and the only 1 vs 1's you get is when you jump into your recon. Best PvP I had the last 2 months was when me and a friend jumped to Jita, bought a destroyer each, insured it at max and warped around - found a single target, nuked him down, lost our ships and after insurance payed off I think we ended up at -100k isk each. Of course we could've looted the guy but we were just after the gank, out of boredom of lousy 0.0 pvp and our high sec standing after millions of dead npc rats. I understand it's not fun for the traders and manufacturers to lose expensive stuff but why the hell are they not docked for? I understand it's not fun to be ganked but why the hell do you sit afk in space for when this game allows people to gank you? I'm not saying it's ok to be a bastard because the game allows you to be one. I'm saying it's ok to be a bastard as this game expects you to (ab)use systems to your favour. In this case I was bored, I knew I would lose my ship but I also knew I would get a funny gank. The AFK'ed guy knew this could happen but he preferred to sit in space rather than docking or having a tank/defence. Who's to blame? This is the reality of EvE. It's so simple to avoid it.. do not undock if you are trading! Do not AFK in space! Do not fly around without tank or defence (every miner already knows this). Noone forces you to sell stuff in Jita. There is no safe space. Just more or less dangerous. Don't fly stuff you can't afford to lose. Ah I repeated myself so much now.. think the point have gone through. And unless the blobwars are fixed, people will be bored and looking for ganks as there is no real small-gang pvp anymore. Give us freedom and option to roam around with 1-3 ship and fight 1-3 ships and there will most likely be alot less ganking. Simple, isn't it?
Ava Luvlidai Antipodean inc. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 04:28:00 - [54] Yes, let's make highsec even safer until our brains eventually turn into mush. I haven't been on either side of the high-sec gank before, and while I'm partial to the piratey side of Eve I think the owness to change is on two parties: 1) The hauler - fit a tank on ship why don't you? 2) CCP - Any illegal ship aggression in highsec (0.5-1.0) should void any insurance on said ship. Eve should not be about the lowest common denominator in intelligence. Just because someone outsmarted you (which includes using more damage than your tank can sustain before Concord prevails) doesn't mean the rules should be changed.
Cipher7 Keepers of the Holy Bagel SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 04:44:00 - [55] Originally by: SiJira where you are from is one hell of an inefficient place You're right. It's much more efficient to get ganked and whine about it.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.05.07 04:45:00 - [56] You carebears posting whines about high sec ganking with your alts make carebears like me look bad. I stick to high sec. I don't care if you suicide gank me. I think it would be funny. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.07 05:19:00 - [57] Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: SiJira where you are from is one hell of an inefficient place You're right. It's much more efficient to get ganked and whine about it. no - its more efficient to be structured where some are superior at building some are superior at mining and others are superior at missioning everyone can chip in to pvp with those who are superior at pvping by use of small things like tacklers and such ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Tonkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.07 05:22:00 - [58] Edited by: Tonkin on 07/05/2007 05:19:43 now talking about that about 1.0 - 0.5 1.0 should have a 1 secound delay for concord 0.9 10secounds 0.8 20secounds 0.7 30secounds etc make actual high sec values mean something, it would stop the pwning in 1.0 but if you delay concord due to the security system or actual decrease the size of the fleet so you can last longer (you still die) will give a new meaning to how risky high sec could be. i dont understand why the hell frieghters go afk or unescorted around high sec empire, you know the risk ffs, why moan about you got owned end off you lost loads of stuff part of the game mechanics. unless ccp give in and disable activation guns in high sec, and which will not suprise me if they do that.
LordChaos Amarr Purple Monkey Squadron	Posted - 2007.05.07 05:23:00 - [59] i say all these suicide gankers are a bunch of exploiters of game mechanics. bunch of noobs want the easy way out. "i dont have the balls to pirate in low sec" as advice for all you producers ....... screw jita go somewhere else or if u have a 2nd a/c scout with it before u jump in, and try not to go afk alot. i will go back to ganking pirates in low sec alot of fun.............. cant see the fun in ganking frieghters in high sec with 50 domis. The Master Of Chaos P-M-S KB
Tonkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.07 05:27:00 - [60] Originally by: LordChaos i say all these suicide gankers are a bunch of exploiters of game mechanics. bunch of noobs want the easy way out. "i dont have the balls to pirate in low sec" as advice for all you producers ....... screw jita go somewhere else or if u have a 2nd a/c scout with it before u jump in, and try not to go afk alot. i will go back to ganking pirates in low sec alot of fun.............. cant see the fun in ganking frieghters in high sec with 50 domis. dont have the balls to attack in low sec, mate low sec killing is easy less risk compared to high sec ganking. lol theres a risk that all the good stuff dies with the ship you killed and that insuracne money you have wasted, to be honest in past ive ganked peeps with smartbombs because i felt like it.
LordChaos Amarr Purple Monkey Squadron	Posted - 2007.05.07 05:30:00 - [61] Edited by: LordChaos on 07/05/2007 05:27:10 Originally by: Tonkin Originally by: LordChaos i say all these suicide gankers are a bunch of exploiters of game mechanics. bunch of noobs want the easy way out. "i dont have the balls to pirate in low sec" as advice for all you producers ....... screw jita go somewhere else or if u have a 2nd a/c scout with it before u jump in, and try not to go afk alot. i will go back to ganking pirates in low sec alot of fun.............. cant see the fun in ganking frieghters in high sec with 50 domis. dont have the balls to attack in low sec, mate low sec killing is easy less risk compared to high sec ganking. lol theres a risk that all the good stuff dies with the ship you killed and that insuracne money you have wasted, to be honest in past ive ganked peeps with smartbombs because i felt like it. what risk? you blow up a frieghter get loot worth the 20 ships u lost + 1-5 bill worth of loot. i dont see no risk and i dont see no fun factor in it either blowing people with smartbombs is fun but that aint , well for me it aint. maybe my way of fun is different. The Master Of Chaos P-M-S KB
Tonkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.07 05:45:00 - [62] i think highsec ganking should stay, i think there should be risk for everything you do in this game, while either loosing a trading route or loose all your stuff due to some guy on a gate wanting to pop your hauler. ive seen haulers go pop and ive been there in a cepter, picking up freebies. thats a risk, you pop the frieghter and some averge joe luckily warps to the gate/station right on the wreck, yonk your gank loot is gone. yea i understand people loosing billions, BUT they all KNOW that ganking HAPPENS IN HIGH SEC and they still undock with billions in there hold, they think its not gona happen to them well tough. after you learn that lesson you wont undock with that much again in your hold. but due to the frieghter nonesense i do belive that frighters should have low mid high slots to defend them selfs, my alt can fly frieghters and i do wish it had stuff like that that would benefit carebears making you a harder target to kill and creating more risk to gankers. thats the change i do see comming in. ccp will never ban shooting stuff in high sec, that will just ruin the game and force pvp further and further away, and ccp dont want that. like ccp says they want compat to last longer put hardners on frieghters.
Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:05:00 - [63] Originally by: Grash Freedom crafters??? imao mate this is EVE not WoW, if you want to live/play in a fakeneverloseanything world, then eve is not for you Empire ganking is perfectly fine, nowhere in eve you are safe ffs people stop trying to make this game like the ones you just left! Oh my god grash you read half the posts here and had to make the same stupid coment we decided 20 posts ago. was not true... Again for people who carnt be arsed to read the whole post! i started this topic as an adult topic of converstation. I personaly am a pvper i dont do empire except to nip into rens and take a few cheap ships or nip to jita to sell a domi named item to get the best price! get over this wow thing people! I have never played wow and never will. I have been Playing MMRPG's for over 12 years i started in beta ina sherons call one(WHERE I WAS THE ORIGINAL PVPER twitchy combat for the win) People reffer to others as nOObs and yet they have been gaming for 3 years etc.. its not about the fact you own a toon that is 10months older than the next man, its about the brian in the gamer and the experience and understand they have!!! Okay back to reading what others posted over night lets hope someone with above 40 IQ joined in...
Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:12:00 - [64] Originally by: Misanth Edited by: Misanth on 07/05/2007 04:24:55 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker EVE = PvP. And thats how we like it. Then why not you live in 0.0 or null sec? Plenty of fighting there. High sec safe space is not meant for griefing. Because it's incredibly boring pvp in 0.0? Everyone and their mother blobcamp the bottlenecks and the only 1 vs 1's you get is when you jump into your recon. Best PvP I had the last 2 months was when me and a friend jumped to Jita, bought a destroyer each, insured it at max and warped around - found a single target, nuked him down, lost our ships and after insurance payed off I think we ended up at -100k isk each. Of course we could've looted the guy but we were just after the gank, out of boredom of lousy 0.0 pvp and our high sec standing after millions of dead npc rats. I understand it's not fun for the traders and manufacturers to lose expensive stuff but why the hell are they not docked for? I understand it's not fun to be ganked but why the hell do you sit afk in space for when this game allows people to gank you? I'm not saying it's ok to be a bastard because the game allows you to be one. I'm saying it's ok to be a bastard as this game expects you to (ab)use systems to your favour. In this case I was bored, I knew I would lose my ship but I also knew I would get a funny gank. The AFK'ed guy knew this could happen but he preferred to sit in space rather than docking or having a tank/defence. Who's to blame? This is the reality of EvE. It's so simple to avoid it.. do not undock if you are trading! Do not AFK in space! Do not fly around without tank or defence (every miner already knows this). Noone forces you to sell stuff in Jita. There is no safe space. Just more or less dangerous. Don't fly stuff you can't afford to lose. Ah I repeated myself so much now.. think the point have gone through. And unless the blobwars are fixed, people will be bored and looking for ganks as there is no real small-gang pvp anymore. Give us freedom and option to roam around with 1-3 ship and fight 1-3 ships and there will most likely be alot less ganking. Simple, isn't it? Okay thats an awsome post bro glad to see someone making sensible coments instead of - STFU carebear :-) one thing though i disagree 0.0 pvp is amazing when done well. 2 examples!! last night i was moving my drake along with a friends drake from 0-w to ???? and we bumped into a two man gate camp a stabber and a curse.. we had an awsome 10min fight we had them out gunned but had no way to get a point on them, so they where warping in and out sharing the damage. it ended up they both warped off and gave us a chance to escape no ships where lost but was an awsome rush thinking have we got them?? NO have they got us EEE***. rofl 1hr later we hooked up some cheap throw away cruisers and frigs and went and jumped COW in e02 jsut for a laugh we knew they would get a crew together to take us down but hey lets see what we can kill 1st was a good time!! THATS PVP ganking is one sided and only the freighter looses out there is no challenge there is no skill, in my eyes dumb ass.........
Davich MacGregor Minmatar Freedom-Technologies	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:20:00 - [65] Originally by: The Recharger Most haulers I gank, are because they dont have any form of a tank. Second most important thing is, never go afk with a couple hundred million stashed in your hauler. I tell you this, most ganks that happen are the fault of the lazzynes or ingorance of the hauler pilot himself not the lameness of the ganker. They just exsist because the possibility for them is there. CCP doesn't need to do anything, people need to stop being lazy. Word
Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:38:00 - [66] Okay we have had some good coments for and against! im still pointing to the anti ganking side however! Oh and we have had some coments that just look like half wit morons carnt be arsed to read the full topic. they must have STFU carebear copied and ready to paste in every post.. heres a few things!! People keep bringing up the term carebear! to my understanding a carebear is a mission runner in high sec!!! these are not the guys complaing about been ganked. there running missions in tec 2 fitted battleships earning cash loot and loyatly points to get there faction ship! Noone is ganking them cause you could loose out, gankers aint got the balls to go into a fight where they might actualy not make profit... Its the traders (Crafters, Builders, producers, What ever you want to call them so you dont feel utterly offended it sounded like a name from wow or waht ever) we are talking about in this topic the ones who mine and build goods for profit and genraly dont do combat or pvp (well they may have an alt who does)! now thats cleared up. People have again posted and compared situations to real life!! Guys you need to get a life its the end of the road when your comparing a game to real life, nothing more to be said on that one. so the only true argument i have heard is that people are worried the game would go stale if they stopped ganking in empire... There is great riches out in low sec and 0.0 this is the way i see the game was meant to be and that ganking is a problem not intended. I have personaly shoot 5-6 haulers gate camping and ganking in 0.0 areas where the haulers are trying to take goods to empire, and you know what i made a fourtune and not one single pilot *****ed or moaned. why is this?? cause there in 0.0 they choose to take the risk and to pvp they equip there ships so that its hard for me to take them down. I am personaly stopping them making alot of cash so they can buy batlleships and come fight me and my allies later in a war. This is a true objective and true pvping. The true reason i see why people wouldnt want a stop to ganking in high sec is you are worried you will loose you chance to make free isk a very easy.... hmm that sounds like the same way you would explain what the word EXPLOIT is.... You know im right get some balls buy a real ship and come out to 0.0 and play with the big boys! hell grab a cheap frig and come and pvp be a tackler for someone who risks big ships out there. just leave the miners/builders/carebears to there safe little empire and let them be happy! you know what it may even encourage more new players to join or even new players to venture out into 0.0 for some real action.............
Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:42:00 - [67] Originally by: Davich MacGregor Originally by: The Recharger Most haulers I gank, are because they dont have any form of a tank. Second most important thing is, never go afk with a couple hundred million stashed in your hauler. I tell you this, most ganks that happen are the fault of the lazzynes or ingorance of the hauler pilot himself not the lameness of the ganker. They just exsist because the possibility for them is there. CCP doesn't need to do anything, people need to stop being lazy. Word Not true at all read another post floating about in the forums people are taking down freighters, that was the intial start to this topic!! the pilot carnt warp its to slow he carnt tank his ship or speed it up, in fact in short he carnt do a damn single thing. this is not a down to been stupid its down to a one sided gank where there are no odds! the ganker looses nothing and the freighter pilot looses everything. Next you will tell me that they shouldnt haul billions of isk around at a time! what the hell is a freighter for then??? why have a cargo bay with 800,000m3+ cargo that you carnt use, your argument nulls the whole point that frieghters exist!!!
Agent Li	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:44:00 - [68] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker EVE = PvP. And thats how we like it. Then why not you live in 0.0 or null sec? Plenty of fighting there. High sec safe space is not meant for griefing. Blowing up haulers in high sec is not griefing. It's called piracy. ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
Ticondrius Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:52:00 - [69] I jsut wish CCP would add a warning upon entering high-sec space like we have for 0.0... "WARNING, you are now entering a high security system. Attacking others in this system WILL cause a CONCORD response and damage your security rating. However, if you are attacked yourself, CONCORD will stop the criminal as quickly as possible, but does not guarantee the survival of your ship. If you are at war with one or more corporations, they can attack you freely in these systems, and you, them." -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- RABBLE! RABBLERABBLE!! MMORPG: Many Men Online Role Playing Girls
Araxmas The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:05:00 - [70] Originally by: Agent Li Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker EVE = PvP. And thats how we like it. Then why not you live in 0.0 or null sec? Plenty of fighting there. High sec safe space is not meant for griefing. Blowing up haulers in high sec is not griefing. It's called piracy. What he said, I myself do not pirate but when I do get popped in highsec I note the person down and note the system and just try and avoid that system. It is what makes it fun. -------- Robbie Rotten left me
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:07:00 - [71] Yay... Eve, the game that rewards and promotes Suicide! Most games.. um.. you want to avoid dying... but not this one! Try and see the billions of ISK and Fun to be Had! ->GROW UP<- See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Agent Li	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:08:00 - [72] Originally by: Aindrias Yay... Eve, the game that rewards and promotes Suicide! Most games.. um.. you want to avoid dying... but not this one! Try and see the billions of ISK and Fun to be Had! ->GROW UP<- I'm sure that if you didn't have cloning of any kind, and you lost all your skills when you were podded (i.e., you really died when you died), people wouldn't be so quick to suicide. ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:13:00 - [73] Originally by: Agent Li Originally by: Aindrias Yay... Eve, the game that rewards and promotes Suicide! Most games.. um.. you want to avoid dying... but not this one! Try and see the billions of ISK and Fun to be Had! ->GROW UP<- I'm sure that if you didn't have cloning of any kind, and you lost all your skills when you were podded (i.e., you really died when you died), people wouldn't be so quick to suicide. I agree.. that was the point of my post. Non-Consentual PvP in High Sec should be war dec only. That's non consentual enough for high sec for those that are there. See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:13:00 - [74] Originally by: Araxmas Originally by: Agent Li Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker EVE = PvP. And thats how we like it. Then why not you live in 0.0 or null sec? Plenty of fighting there. High sec safe space is not meant for griefing. Blowing up haulers in high sec is not griefing. It's called piracy. What he said, I myself do not pirate but when I do get popped in highsec I note the person down and note the system and just try and avoid that system. It is what makes it fun. Its not piracy at all. there is no debate it is a one sided attack! in 0.0 the hauler pilot has options he can pay me not to kill his ship. He can dump his cargo and go on his merry way! or he can die!!! OR HE can be a lucky git and well prepared and survive! the point is he can do something! If he has an escort i can loose EVERYTHING and cost me 20-100million.......... In empire its a 10second thing the ganker scans values up the loot is it worth is it not and if it is he dies taking you down! he is under no threat he knows the value and profit. even if the target has escorts there isnt anything you can do the ganker will die to concord anyway. And what does the ganker risk??? hmm NOTHING he carnt loose! THATS GANKING not piracy!!!!!!!!!!!1
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:28:00 - [75] Edited by: Janu Hull on 07/05/2007 17:26:21 Originally by: Dimmak Long Originally by: Araxmas Originally by: Agent Li Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker EVE = PvP. And thats how we like it. Then why not you live in 0.0 or null sec? Plenty of fighting there. High sec safe space is not meant for griefing. Blowing up haulers in high sec is not griefing. It's called piracy. What he said, I myself do not pirate but when I do get popped in highsec I note the person down and note the system and just try and avoid that system. It is what makes it fun. Its not piracy at all. there is no debate it is a one sided attack! 0.0 the hauler pilot has options he can pay me not to kill his ship. He can dump his cargo and go on his merry way! or he can die!!! OR HE can be a lucky git and well prepared and survive! the point is he can do something!he has an escort i can loose EVERYTHING and cost me 20-100million.......... If a freighter captain can't defend himself in high sec, how's he going to defend himself in lowsec? You're losing it here. If those are his options in lowsec or nosec, why not in high sec? You see an attack and don't want to die, jettison and run, or offer a bribe. Quote: In empire its a 10second thing the ganker scans values up the loot is it worth is it not and if it is he dies taking you down! he is under no threat he knows the value and profit. even if the target has escorts there isnt anything you can do the ganker will die to concord anyway. And what does the ganker risk??? hmm NOTHING he carnt loose! THATS GANKING not piracy!!!!!!!!!!!1 Pirates don't play by Marquis of Queensbury rules. They remember the ultimate truth, the Marquis was a queen. Wolfpack raiding like old u-boats during the first World War. Strike without warning, strike without mercy, with just an added element of profitability. This is the reality of EVE piracy. Learn to fight it. Travel in convoys. Take escorts. Be aware the threat is out there and fight back. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.07 17:53:00 - [76] [quota] Pirates don't play by Marquis of Queensbury rules. They remember the ultimate truth, the Marquis was a queen. Wolfpack raiding like old u-boats during the first World War. Strike without warning, strike without mercy, with just an added element of profitability. This is the reality of EVE piracy. Learn to fight it. Travel in convoys. Take escorts. Be aware the threat is out there and fight back. Convoys carnt do anything in jita!!! havnt we just talked about this??? the ganker scans and has to kill in 10secs and under!! ther eis no fighting back there dead but ther alt is looting it all and nothing you can do.......... Fight back .. we are on about freighters you know no guns etc. those big things!!
Maxpie Split Infinity	Posted - 2007.05.07 18:48:00 - [77] Never been ganked in high-sec, though I admit I try to fly with stuff valued under what I think would be worth ganking, but may I suggest that if you must fly afk, plan waypoints so your ship does not fly on ap into Jita, Amarr and the like. When you get back to your computer, manually fly those few jumps, then resume ap. Most of these ganks happen in the busy hubs. Better yet, you could probably just plot a course that doesn't take you into these systems, but I've alyways been too lazy to do that. Don't bother with caravans and escorts and such, that is not a viable tactic in Eve. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.
Stegas Tyrano Gallente Delta Omega Iota Inc. Breidablik	Posted - 2007.05.07 18:55:00 - [78] i have a suggestion. make secure containers stay intact after ships explode that way suicide gankers will die having not destroyed valuable items. which can still be picked up. but i guess the freighter is worth more then the cargo, maybe, i dunno..... -------------------------------------------- I have a bad feeling about this... WHERE ARE THE ALIENS!
Thesas Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.05.07 19:12:00 - [79] Originally by: Agent Li Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker EVE = PvP. And thats how we like it. Then why not you live in 0.0 or null sec? Plenty of fighting there. High sec safe space is not meant for griefing. Blowing up haulers in high sec is not griefing. It's called piracy. Piracyà How quaint.. Just as shooting fish in a barrel is ôfishingö, and shooting a moose with an M16 and a night scope is ôhuntingö. Piracy is hardly the word. High sec ganking is for those who fear real challenge of their peers and only bet on the sure thing. Even noobs see it for what it is. Hardened pvpÆer in a battleship vs. miner. is piracy? Consult your dictionary.
Malcanis High4Life	Posted - 2007.05.07 20:14:00 - [80] Originally by: Dimmak Long This seems to be a popular topic at the moment seen a few talking about in jita! Basicaly look at the stats jita now ahs the highest ships destroyed than any other system! I think concord needs a MAJOR rethink. 0.5-1.0 is High sec this should be a clear none pvp area if you wanna fight each pay concord and off and declare war or get your ass out into low sec or 0.0. People want the cheap prices of jita yet the traders and crafters are now the main targets of attack...This is mind blowing that ccp are letting people do this. I heard in a discusion a few things over the last few days. 1, well people should use a BS fitted with cargo expanders!!! YOU nOOb honestly this would mean no ship would ever be moved from where it was built except frigs and shuttles (one of the dumbest coments i have heard in a long time) 2, if eve didnt have risk i would leave!! what the hell do you call 0.5 and below sectors that is the high risk areas where people can pvp if you want the big money you have to out there, let the noobs and carbears have there high sec, the rest of us who enjoy pvp can destroy each other very easily out in low sec and 0.0 3, "Well at least they loose there ship" What complete bull!! the ganker is making a very calculated attack he is actualy risking totlay NOTHING, he knows the cargo is worth alot more than his loss or he wouldnt do it in the 1st place!!! thats the whole idea behind him ganking. 4, If we moved all the gankers out of high sec low sec and 0.0 would get even better, you can still get the loot and cash. At the moment more than half the cargo the ganker is after gets lost. in low sec you can pin the hauler down and demand he dumps the cargo or pays you a travel fee. twice as much fun as a 10 second shooting cost the trader millions and you getting half of what he had! In short ccp you need to stop people ganking. ALOT of players do enjoy just the trading and original game ELITE side to eve, im sure in the long run this will all work out better for more players joining, new players staying, and trade prices getting better for everyone!!! Finaly note for all you sad gankers in jita stop picking on carebears and get out to 0.0 where the true pvpers hang out!!! I'll offer you the same deal that I offer everyone who thinks that he should be 100% safe from PvP in hi-sec Fine, no PvP at all in hi-sec; no-one is allowed to shoot you; you're completely protected from the other players' weapons In return, they're completely protected from your profiteering: you have to sell everything for, say 10% above nominal mineral price, and everyone sells at the same price. If you want to sell for the price you want, you have to go to lo-sec where people can shoot you if they want. Deal?
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Requiem of Hades	Posted - 2007.05.07 20:22:00 - [81] Originally by: Agent Li Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker EVE = PvP. And thats how we like it. Then why not you live in 0.0 or null sec? Plenty of fighting there. High sec safe space is not meant for griefing. Blowing up haulers in high sec is not griefing. It's called piracy. More like lame play or abusing CCP's game mechanics. Drones abuse. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.05.07 20:23:00 - [82] "Even as a dedicated Carebear I think you are wrong." No it is you that are wrong and for a good reason the OP is right, and oddly enough this is exactly what I said would happen ages ago. THERE IS NO DEFENSE FROM HIGH SEC SUICIDE GANKERS!! People used to say don;t use a t1 indy, I said it is only a matter of time before people start using fleets of BS to gank frieghters. NOTHING but never leaving the sation can save you from high sec ganking, because you have no option but to sit and wait to be fired upon, you cannot initiate the attack on the gankers, concord cannot save you soon enough, so an escort won't do jack, having people long to try to remote rep yuo won;t work they will just add to their numbers. This isn;t about being 100% safe, this is about having ZERO reasonable gameplay mechanics available to prevent being ganked or to defend yourself. Worse yet due to insurance the gankers really aren;t even putting much of anything up for risk when they do it lol.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Requiem of Hades	Posted - 2007.05.07 20:25:00 - [83] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 "Even as a dedicated Carebear I think you are wrong." No it is you that are wrong and for a good reason the OP is right, and oddly enough this is exactly what I said would happen ages ago. THERE IS NO DEFENSE FROM HIGH SEC SUICIDE GANKERS!! People used to say don;t use a t1 indy, I said it is only a matter of time before people start using fleets of BS to gank frieghters. NOTHING but never leaving the sation can save you from high sec ganking, because you have no option but to sit and wait to be fired upon, you cannot initiate the attack on the gankers, concord cannot save you soon enough, so an escort won't do jack, having people long to try to remote rep yuo won;t work they will just add to their numbers. This isn;t about being 100% safe, this is about having ZERO reasonable gameplay mechanics available to prevent being ganked or to defend yourself. Worse yet due to insurance the gankers really aren;t even putting much of anything up for risk when they do it lol. ^^ what he said. Well worded. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Nake Primary Targets	Posted - 2007.05.07 20:32:00 - [84] Let me give you a few tips, from a high-sec ganker: 1) Use Transports/Freighters 2) If you can't use transports, fit a tank 3) Use secure containers, they can't be scanned 4) Use warp to zero As a High-sec ganker(a weekend or 2 a month for isk), I have to rule out all of the above when I'm cargo and ship scanning people. Already, I have to narrow my selection down to about 5-10% of the haulers that pass through. Out of those 5-10%, you maybe have 5% that are worth taking a sec hit for. 50% or more of that cargo will be destroyed. And yet, I still see tons of idiots hauling huge stacks of tech 2 **, 100k+ megacyte, 1000 datacores in cap rechargered/expanded itty 5s. Most of them don't send hate mail, because they know they're ***** stupid when it happens. The ones that do are people like you. We're down to like, 0.005% now or something. So if 99.995% of people have adapted, why can't you?
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.05.07 20:32:00 - [85] "Because it's incredibly boring pvp in 0.0? Everyone and their mother blobcamp the bottlenecks and the only 1 vs 1's you get is when you jump into your recon. Best PvP I had the last 2 months was when me and a friend jumped to Jita, bought a destroyer each, insured it at max and warped around - found a single target, nuked him down, lost our ships and after insurance payed off I think we ended up at -100k isk each. Of course we could've looted the guy but we were just after the gank, out of boredom of lousy 0.0 pvp and our high sec standing after millions of dead npc rats." This is a joke and shows just how eve caters to carebear pvp'ers the total opposite of what most try to pretend they are. Seriously grow some balls, learn to play eve. You just simply said I can;t hack it playing pvp so I goto empire and exploit the insurance system to gank people who are in ships that have no chance to fight back. If anything this just reinforces how broke EVE pvp is and how nothing but the weak and gimpy pvp'ers have flocked to eve. Sad part is CCP has fallen for their jedi mind tricks and let's them get away with this weak lame playstyle.
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.05.07 20:40:00 - [86] "Let me give you a few tips, from a high-sec ganker: 1) Use Transports/Freighters 2) If you can't use transports, fit a tank 3) Use secure containers, they can't be scanned 4) Use warp to zero " LEt me give you a tip carebear ganker, none of your tips actually work. 1) as we have seen the gankers just use bigger and more ships to deal with transports, tanked, and frieghters. IT might works for a simple mickey mouse ganker like you but more organized people kill ANYTHING. 2) see 1 3)secure containers matter little, the insurance system + numbers can be exploited easily enough to gank anything since the loss after insurance is minimal even if you gank an empty frieghter. 4) warp to zero is helpful arriving at a gate, doesn;t help much when you goto leave a gate to make your next jump, in your big slow frieghter, or tanked transport. Everything you post is going to be silly so don;t waste your time, you sit there at gates, at no risk protected by concord, waiting patently to make easy ISK. It is BS you just won;t admit it, it is an exploit of game mechanics, you just won;t admit it, there is no defense from it you just won;t admit it. If it were anything other than what I described you would'nt be doing it. It is easy big bucks with no risk and you know it. IT is everything eve is not meant to be and needs some type of fix.
Kassandra Tillman	Posted - 2007.05.07 20:54:00 - [87] the problem is not suicide gankers so much is it is allowing it in trial accounts. if you had to use a paying account the problem would be ..... self correcting, paticularly if the all toons on a players account were sec status gigged
Nake Primary Targets	Posted - 2007.05.07 20:56:00 - [88] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 LEt me give you a tip carebear ganker, none of your tips actually work. 1) as we have seen the gankers just use bigger and more ships to deal with transports, tanked, and frieghters. IT might works for a simple mickey mouse ganker like you but more organized people kill ANYTHING. 2) see 1 3)secure containers matter little, the insurance system + numbers can be exploited easily enough to gank anything since the loss after insurance is minimal even if you gank an empty frieghter. 4) warp to zero is helpful arriving at a gate, doesn;t help much when you goto leave a gate to make your next jump, in your big slow frieghter, or tanked transport. Everything you post is going to be silly so don;t waste your time, you sit there at gates, at no risk protected by concord, waiting patently to make easy ISK. It is BS you just won;t admit it, it is an exploit of game mechanics, you just won;t admit it, there is no defense from it you just won;t admit it. If it were anything other than what I described you would'nt be doing it. It is easy big bucks with no risk and you know it. IT is everything eve is not meant to be and needs some type of fix. Learn to use the quote button. There have been what, 4 total Freighter ganks in Eves history? The most common highsec gank operations consist of a torp Raven, scanner and hauler. Taking out a transport with multiple bs would require coordination and advanced planning, something not everyone can pull off, something that can be avoided with warp to zero, something that can be avoided with using cans so they don't know if its worth the risk. The amount of macro hauler mission runners is insane, no one with an IQ over 50 would risk killing a transport that showed up as empty and tanked. Yes, it is easy bucks. BECAUSE THERE ARE STUPID PEOPLE WHO HAUL ****LOADS OF T2 IN BESTOWERS. How about this, use game mechanics and adapt, and last time I checked, whining on Eve-O isn't considered adapting to game mechanics.
Malcanis High4Life	Posted - 2007.05.07 21:00:00 - [89] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 "Even as a dedicated Carebear I think you are wrong." No it is you that are wrong and for a good reason the OP is right, and oddly enough this is exactly what I said would happen ages ago. THERE IS NO DEFENSE FROM HIGH SEC SUICIDE GANKERS!! People used to say don;t use a t1 indy, I said it is only a matter of time before people start using fleets of BS to gank frieghters. NOTHING but never leaving the sation can save you from high sec ganking, because you have no option but to sit and wait to be fired upon, you cannot initiate the attack on the gankers, concord cannot save you soon enough, so an escort won't do jack, having people long to try to remote rep yuo won;t work they will just add to their numbers. This isn;t about being 100% safe, this is about having ZERO reasonable gameplay mechanics available to prevent being ganked or to defend yourself. Worse yet due to insurance the gankers really aren;t even putting much of anything up for risk when they do it lol. What mechanic would protect a cargo ship from an organised gang of skilled pilots in battleships that wouldn't also completely wreck PvP? In other words, why should there be a defence against such an attack? Have you ever tried to organise and mount such an operation? It's not trivial, and the up-front ISK costs and preparation required should require a similar effort & expenditure to counter, surely? As for "lacking risk", here's one I can think of straight away. Next time you see someone advertising in the C&P channel for a freighter gank-gang, sign up. Enjoy your free Dominix!
Grash Freedom Gallente MAZA Solutions	Posted - 2007.05.07 21:34:00 - [90] Edited by: Grash Freedom on 07/05/2007 21:31:55 Edited by: Grash Freedom on 07/05/2007 21:30:44 Originally by: Dimmak Long Originally by: Grash Freedom crafters??? imao mate this is EVE not WoW, if you want to live/play in a fakeneverloseanything world, then eve is not for you Empire ganking is perfectly fine, nowhere in eve you are safe ffs people stop trying to make this game like the ones you just left! Oh my god grash you read half the posts here and had to make the same stupid coment we decided 20 posts ago. was not true... Again for people who carnt be arsed to read the whole post! i started this topic as an adult topic of converstation. I personaly am a pvper i dont do empire except to nip into rens and take a few cheap ships or nip to jita to sell a domi named item to get the best price! get over this wow thing people! I have never played wow and never will. I have been Playing MMRPG's for over 12 years i started in beta ina sherons call one(WHERE I WAS THE ORIGINAL PVPER twitchy combat for the win) People reffer to others as nOObs and yet they have been gaming for 3 years etc.. its not about the fact you own a toon that is 10months older than the next man, its about the brian in the gamer and the experience and understand they have!!! Okay back to reading what others posted over night lets hope someone with above 40 IQ joined in... Did i said anywhere in my post that you are a WoW player? Did i call you a carebear? did i attacked you by any means? You play EVE, you make a post about game mechanics, although you have no clue how "crafters" are called here, yet you still have an opinion a) You can call me a carebear, at least with this char, i am a "crafter" my self b) The past 3 years i have lost about 8 bils from empire ganking (we had no freighter back then) c) EvE is a game where competition take place! The end game of it is pvp, but all starts from mining/manufacturing/trading, when you make money you get better, why the hell do you think peeps gank ships in empire? there is no fun, there are logistics behind it, what the gankers want is to make you less rich, why? simple because when you have loss isks they gain, its not about greifing, its about who has more isks into his wallet, for it reminds me of RL, Eve is just like RL, there is a risk in every move you make, and nowhere you are safe! Now do not tell me about iq and BS, stay in game for 4-5 month and you will understand what this game is about. so far you have bad experience from other bad composed games which at some point you get a GAME OVER, you will not get this in here PS. i did read the whole post, maybe you should try read mine as well
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.05.07 21:56:00 - [91] Originally by: Dimmak Long Quote: Pirates don't play by Marquis of Queensbury rules. They remember the ultimate truth, the Marquis was a queen. Wolfpack raiding like old u-boats during the first World War. Strike without warning, strike without mercy, with just an added element of profitability. This is the reality of EVE piracy. Learn to fight it. Travel in convoys. Take escorts. Be aware the threat is out there and fight back. Convoys carnt do anything in jita!!! havnt we just talked about this??? the ganker scans and has to kill in 10secs and under!! ther eis no fighting back there dead but ther alt is looting it all and nothing you can do.......... Fight back .. we are on about freighters you know no guns etc. those big things!! Use another system. Set up shop in Perimeter, or Urlen, or New Caldari. Set up shop in The Citadel or Lonetrek. If you're not going to fight, you're going to have to relocate. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.07 22:11:00 - [92] Originally by: Grash Freedom Edited by: Grash Freedom on 07/05/2007 21:31:55 Edited by: Grash Freedom on 07/05/2007 21:30:44 Originally by: Dimmak Long Originally by: Grash Freedom crafters??? imao mate this is EVE not WoW, if you want to live/play in a fakeneverloseanything world, then eve is not for you Empire ganking is perfectly fine, nowhere in eve you are safe ffs people stop trying to make this game like the ones you just left! Oh my god grash you read half the posts here and had to make the same stupid coment we decided 20 posts ago. was not true... Again for people who carnt be arsed to read the whole post! i started this topic as an adult topic of converstation. I personaly am a pvper i dont do empire except to nip into rens and take a few cheap ships or nip to jita to sell a domi named item to get the best price! get over this wow thing people! I have never played wow and never will. I have been Playing MMRPG's for over 12 years i started in beta ina sherons call one(WHERE I WAS THE ORIGINAL PVPER twitchy combat for the win) People reffer to others as nOObs and yet they have been gaming for 3 years etc.. its not about the fact you own a toon that is 10months older than the next man, its about the brian in the gamer and the experience and understand they have!!! Okay back to reading what others posted over night lets hope someone with above 40 IQ joined in... Did i said anywhere in my post that you are a WoW player? Did i call you a carebear? did i attacked you by any means? You play EVE, you make a post about game mechanics, although you have no clue how "crafters" are called here, yet you still have an opinion a) You can call me a carebear, at least with this char, i am a "crafter" my self b) The past 3 years i have lost about 8 bils from empire ganking (we had no freighter back then) c) EvE is a game where competition take place! The end game of it is pvp, but all starts from mining/manufacturing/trading, when you make money you get better, why the hell do you think peeps gank ships in empire? there is no fun, there are logistics behind it, what the gankers want is to make you less rich, why? simple because when you have loss isks they gain, its not about greifing, its about who has more isks into his wallet, for it reminds me of RL, Eve is just like RL, there is a risk in every move you make, and nowhere you are safe! Now do not tell me about iq and BS, stay in game for 4-5 month and you will understand what this game is about. so far you have bad experience from other bad composed games which at some point you get a GAME OVER, you will not get this in here PS. i did read the whole post, maybe you should try read mine as well Dude im glad you actualy made an effort to put together a good argument and thoughful reply! but you judged me again! "so far you have bad experience from other bad composed games which at some point you get a GAME OVER, you will not get this in here" ??? waht you on about really now? stay in game 4-5 months?? you clearly dont know how long ive been in game and i havnt had any bad experience! see you havnt read this through! i started this post as there was a post about someone building a gang of cheap domis to gank freighters.... and every time i have been through jita etc. there is gankers there and people **ed off. so i thought it a good topic to talk about and get my personal few across... please read and try to understand where im coming from my op was not a cry or *** from a carebear. its an adult conversation over a few i have!!
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.07 22:20:00 - [93] Originally by: Janu Hull Use another system. Set up shop in Perimeter, or Urlen, or New Caldari. Set up shop in The Citadel or Lonetrek. If you're not going to fight, you're going to have to relocate. From New Caldari you are one hop from two (yes 2) other regions. From Perimeter you are 2 hops from New Caldari if you don't go through Jita. Most players will spend a little more in another system just to not have to go to Jita and its lag-fest. Seems pretty logical to me, stay out of Jita if there are gank swarms <-----------> Keiron: Quote on PvE/PvP [i]PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to
Tiamara	Posted - 2007.05.07 22:37:00 - [94] lol... 3 ppl decide to steal diamonds... so they grab their cars and destroy the car thats carrying the diamonds... police comes and destroys their cars... they get full insurance money for their cars and take the diamonds anyway.
Mac Creagors	Posted - 2007.05.07 22:53:00 - [95] In high sec " it shall ¦NOT be possible to "GANK" any one. Keep that **** in 0.4 and below wtf is concord ? CCP
Pherusa Plumosa Minmatar Freedom for All The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.05.07 23:09:00 - [96] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 THERE IS NO DEFENSE FROM HIGH SEC SUICIDE GANKERS!! There is no defense if you are afk, to lazy to scout, to stupid to use secure containers.
Fedacorr Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.05.07 23:10:00 - [97] I realize it's probably impractical in code (or at least difficult), but... The 'problem' here is not the ganking, it's that the ganker gets the rewards of their gank. Somehow, the cops come, but don't care about the stuff being stolen. What if the game flagged cargo cans dropped in high-sec space by a destroyed ship to theft flag anyone who took from them... to EVERYone. Take from a can, and everyone around is suddenly your 'special friend'. One thing to sacrifice that frigate or bare bones cruiser... Losing the frieghter that you bring in to haul off the loot, that would be painful.
Malena VXXI Amarr The Templiers	Posted - 2007.05.07 23:15:00 - [98] to enligthen those who think the "frase: Crafters are a wow thing or soo please try grow some thing more then a mushroom between your ears. Crafters are the general name for players who manufactoring and producing. In mmorpgs! High sec space are a place where Ganking shall not be possible done. Miner \| Trader
Mac Creagors	Posted - 2007.05.07 23:22:00 - [99] O another thing some one told me once - put Stabbers on your low slot on your frieghter ! you need to drill a big hole some where so you *** get some X to breath you now !!
Nake Primary Targets	Posted - 2007.05.07 23:34:00 - [100] Originally by: Grash Freedom there is no fun, there are logistics behind it, what the gankers want is to make you less rich, why? simple because when you have loss isks they gain, its not about greifing, its about who has more isks into his wallet, for it reminds me of RL, Eve is just like RL, there is a risk in every move you make, and nowhere you are safe! Just to clear something up, at least for me and the gankers I know: Its never about making it personal or making anyone less rich, it is only about making yourself more rich. I choose my targets by cargo, not name or walletsize.
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.07 23:41:00 - [101] Edited by: Aphotic Raven on 07/05/2007 23:39:41 OH ***** NOES~!!!!!!! Explain to me why you should not be rewarded for a suicide gank. In detail. Please. Originally by:** Dr Cupid Let me tell you all that I'm really enjoying eve-beta, and can't wait for the real game to come out!
Bael Don'adur	Posted - 2007.05.07 23:53:00 - [102] Edited by: Bael Don''adur on 07/05/2007 23:51:27 While I definitely don't think that high-sec should equal no combat, I do see a problem with the system as it is. Basically its a loophole-exploit. The philosophy behind High-sec is that if you do a criminal act then Concord will punish you. Right? Well in the high-sec ganks there are 2 criminal acts. The first is the gank. Concord punishes people for that, no doubt. But the second criminal act, the really important part, the part where his non-combatant friend loots your stuff has no reppurcussions (wow that is mispelled) to it. Two ideas off the top of my head. I don't know how well they would work, but just putting out the general Jist. 1) Make the emptying the loot can a criminal act, unless you are the pilot who died. 2) Concord will (for a nominal fee) transport the contents of your loot can to the nearest Concord station after you are killed. Edit: Actually this one makes more sense, and there is the same loophole exploit for 1) that is possible. Also its pretty much what would happen in RL, well accept you couldn't come collect your property after you were killed. It just doesn't make sense to me in a RL perspective. Guy comes up to me and shoots me. Cops show up and shoot him. While cops are shooting him, guys buddy walks up and empties my wallet, in full view of the cops.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.08 01:31:00 - [103] Originally by: Aphotic Raven Edited by: Aphotic Raven on 07/05/2007 23:39:41 OH ******* NOES~!!!!!!! Explain to me why you should not be rewarded for a suicide gank. In detail. Please. because then carebears arent safe !! ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Jack Icegaard	Posted - 2007.05.08 04:11:00 - [104] I like the risk/reward concept that CCP are building their game around. As the whole EVE world is one integrated economy, the risk/reward balance breaks when one can make big bucks in high sec without any risk what so ever. Let me give an example from my personal experience in EVE. I started mining Kernite in Lonetrek low sec systems. This was very exciting as many targeted me on sight. I perceived it as being fairly profitable. Then i learned about jump clones and that needed standings to use them so i started run missions. Running L3 missions in cruisers were also rather exciting in the beginning as the opposition often proved more than i could handle. After 3-4 months i bought a battleship as i now had the standing for L4. And with my low skills i lost quite many ships before i got the hang of it. So in all those ventures i had to take risks and suffer losses to gain my ISK reward. But now, i can grind L4 missions in Motsu all day and there is very little risk involved. So the last months i have set up a base in low sec, running missions and exploring. Its a lot fun as the game is exciting again. I now i can be attacked at any moment. The problem is -and here comes my point with this rant- that it seem to be financial stupidity not to stay in high sec. In low sec i fit my ship for every eventuality. That means i don't leave any big holes in my tank. So my tank and weaponry is not optimized for the mission, hence less efficient mission running. In high sec I'm very close to the big market hubs. That means i can sell my loot easily for nice prices. It is also very convenient to resupply anything i need. In low sec i have to transport my stuff a long distance and at a considerable risk. The battleships i use are pimped with a lot of T2 and rigs so losing one of them would be costly. It just don't add up. The economic aspect of EVE gives me no incitement leave the boring lag hole that is Motsu and surrounding systems. With sanctuaries where you can grind big piles of ISKs with impunity and have the big market places conveniently around the corner, the risk/reward balance is badly broken. That is maybe why CCP accepts suicide ganks, to patch up this glaring hole in the risk/reward concept. The idea of suicide attacks for profit is really poor game mechanics IMO. But in an integrated economy you cant have sanctuaries and still call it a PvP game.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.08 05:50:00 - [105] thats a great take on it jack but in the end money speaks louder than some concept that might not even hold true today ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Malcanis High4Life	Posted - 2007.05.08 06:38:00 - [106] Originally by: Malena VXXI to enligthen those who think the "frase: Crafters are a wow thing or soo please try grow some thing more then a mushroom between your ears. Crafters are the general name for players who manufactoring and producing. In mmorpgs! High sec space are a place where Ganking shall not be possible done. You spelled "Games other than EVE" wrong. You are less unsafe in hi-sec, not perfectly protected. The only place your ship is perfectly safe is in a station. That's how it's meant to be; that's how the devs want it. Get used to it.
Malcanis High4Life	Posted - 2007.05.08 06:41:00 - [107] Originally by: Bael Don'adur Edited by: Bael Don''adur on 08/05/2007 00:14:12 Edited by: Bael Don''adur on 07/05/2007 23:51:27 While I definitely don't think that high-sec should equal no combat, I do see a problem with the system as it is. Basically its a loophole-exploit. The philosophy behind High-sec is that if you do a criminal act then Concord will punish you. Right? Well in the high-sec ganks there are 2 criminal acts. The first is the gank. Concord punishes people for that, no doubt. But the second criminal act, the really important part, the part where his non-combatant friend loots your stuff has no reppurcussions (wow that is mispelled) to it. Two ideas off the top of my head. I don't know how well they would work, but just putting out the general Jist. 1) Make the emptying the loot can a criminal act, unless you are the pilot who died. 2) Concord will (for a nominal fee) transport the contents of your loot can to the nearest Concord station after you are killed. Edit: Actually this one makes more sense, and there is the same loophole exploit for 1) that there is already. Also this (#2) pretty much what would happen in RL, well accept you couldn't come collect your property after you were killed, but friends and family would. It just doesn't make sense to me in a RL perspective. Guy comes up to me and shoots me. Cops show up and shoot him. While cops are shooting him, guys buddy walks up and empties my wallet, in full view of the cops. Edit2: Now, I still think that the high-sec gank should/would happen, but it would only really be assasination type things. There would be no tangible profit for the killer outside of the damage done to the target. That, in and of itself, would be enough motivation for there to still be hits. Historically, the first party to claim a wreck had the full legal right of salvage. Now the original owner might suspect that the salvager was in cahoots with the guys who wrecked his ship, but too bad unless he could prove it. So much for history and so much for Earth. In New Eden, we have the legal tradition based more on Lex Talonis...
Chewan Mesa coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.08 06:57:00 - [108] Originally by: Mac Creagors In high sec " it shall ¦NOT be possible to "GANK" any one. Keep that ** in 0.4 and below wtf is concord ? CCP Sorry to pop that bubble...but Concord was never introduced to prevent** people killing others in high sec. It was introduced as a penalty. If you kill/shoot someone in high-sec, you die. Not to stop anyone actually doing it and taking the penatly of death.
BarbecuedSquirrel Royal Assembly	Posted - 2007.05.08 07:44:00 - [109] Originally by: Dimmak Long I heard in a discusion a few things over the last few days. 1, well people should use a BS fitted with cargo expanders!!! YOU nOOb honestly this would mean no ship would ever be moved from where it was built except frigs and shuttles (one of the dumbest coments i have heard in a long time) most freighters that get ganked are loaded with tech 2,faction modules,tags or blueprints.Who the ** wants to gank a freighter carrying repackaged ships or millions of minerals?Its like trying to rob the ***** Heinz baked beans factory.next time trade in a hardened bs/bc
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.08 07:51:00 - [110] Well if people had of stopped being lazy and retarded in moving valuable stuff through a known danger spot, afk and in cheap t1 trash, perhap's they ganker's wouldn't be making so much money of other people's laziness. It's not about the pvp dude, it's about making a mint on fat lazy people who cannot be bothered to adapt or put minimal effort in to stop/reduce the risk of getting ganked. I have never been ganked in empire with valuable's because (gasp ) , i take precaution's. BoB vs the coalition of family value's
U'puauht Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.08 09:24:00 - [111] Originally by: Bael Don'adur But the second criminal act, the really important part, the part where his non-combatant friend loots your stuff has no reppurcussions (wow that is mispelled) to it. Looting someone else's wreck flags you for that character, and he's allowed to open fire on you without CONCORD interacting, so there are repercussions to "his non-combatant friends [looting] your stuff". At least that's how it used to be, I've not been in CONCORD-protected space for a while... ____________________ Wood-legged, eye-patched, parrot-on-the-shoulder Priest of The Church
Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.08 09:39:00 - [112] Originally by: Chewan Mesa Originally by: Mac Creagors In high sec " it shall ¦NOT be possible to "GANK" any one. Keep that ** in 0.4 and below wtf is concord ? CCP Sorry to pop that bubble...but Concord was never introduced to prevent** people killing others in high sec. It was introduced as a penalty. If you kill/shoot someone in high-sec, you die. Not to stop anyone actually doing it and taking the penatly of death. Oh my people just dont like to read the whole thread!! i know there is alot to read now but make an effort you wouldnt walk into a room and just start talking about random things in the middle of a converstation would you! you would look stupid hehehe well you jsut did that bro.. The whole point is in your exact words "Concord was introduced as a penalty" read again your own words "concord was introduced as a penalty" yep you just shoot your own statement... The point is there is no penalty the gankers can never loose!!! they take a minor sec hit loose a ship that they get insurance money on dropping there loss to about 10-20 mill and gain 100-400mil in loot. THERE IS NO PENALTY!!!
Dimmak Long	Posted - 2007.05.08 09:42:00 - [113] Originally by: U'puauht Originally by: Bael Don'adur But the second criminal act, the really important part, the part where his non-combatant friend loots your stuff has no reppurcussions (wow that is mispelled) to it. Looting someone else's wreck flags you for that character, and he's allowed to open fire on you without CONCORD interacting, so there are repercussions to "his non-combatant friends [looting] your stuff". At least that's how it used to be, I've not been in CONCORD-protected space for a while... But the guy that just lost his ship carnt shoot he would have to dock build a ship and get back out there... how long does it take an indy to pick up loot?? hmm 30-60seconds i carnt undock in jita in that time lol
Malcanis High4Life	Posted - 2007.05.08 09:49:00 - [114] Originally by: Aindrias Originally by: Agent Li Originally by: Aindrias Yay... Eve, the game that rewards and promotes Suicide! Most games.. um.. you want to avoid dying... but not this one! Try and see the billions of ISK and Fun to be Had! ->GROW UP<- I'm sure that if you didn't have cloning of any kind, and you lost all your skills when you were podded (i.e., you really died when you died), people wouldn't be so quick to suicide. I agree.. that was the point of my post. Non-Consentual PvP in High Sec should be war dec only. That's non consentual enough for high sec for those that are there. Sure: as long as you restrict noob-corp members to trial-account ships.
Cipher7 Keepers of the Holy Bagel SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 10:41:00 - [115] Originally by: Thesas High sec ganking is for those who fear real challenge of their peers and only bet on the sure thing. Even noobs see it for what it is. Piracy has nothing to do with "challenge." It's a robbery not a competition. Avoid the strong and attack the weak, that's warfare 101, read your Sun Tzu.
Helplessandlost Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.08 10:49:00 - [116] 4 years and this silly argument is still going on? Eve=PVP that's the way it is and should be. "Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
heheheh Singularity. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.05.08 10:52:00 - [117] Originally by: Dimmak Long Originally by: Grash Freedom crafters??? imao mate this is EVE not WoW, if you want to live/play in a fakeneverloseanything world, then eve is not for you Empire ganking is perfectly fine, nowhere in eve you are safe ffs people stop trying to make this game like the ones you just left! Oh I have been Playing MMRPG's for over 12 years i started in beta ina sherons call one(WHERE I WAS THE ORIGINAL PVPER twitchy combat for the win) ROFL what a ****
Tommy Vercetti Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.08 10:53:00 - [118] Originally by: fire 59 Well if people had of stopped being lazy and retarded in moving valuable stuff through a known danger spot, afk and in cheap t1 trash, perhap's they ganker's wouldn't be making so much money of other people's laziness. It's not about the pvp dude, it's about making a mint on fat lazy people who cannot be bothered to adapt or put minimal effort in to stop/reduce the risk of getting ganked. I have never been ganked in empire with valuable's because (gasp ) , i take precaution's. This. Some players do not want to take responsibility for their actions. Loosing 5 bil hurts, it's hard to shoulder that blame so the whine machine gets fueled up and turned on the forums. Take precautions and you should never die in high sec. I know it's hard to accept but the sooner you do the sooner you'll stop being a high sec gankers isk printer.
Cipher7 Keepers of the Holy Bagel SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 11:03:00 - [119] Originally by: Bael Don'adur It just doesn't make sense to me in a RL perspective. Guy comes up to me and shoots me. Cops show up and shoot him. While cops are shooting him, guys buddy walks up and empties my wallet, in full view of the cops. If you want realistic robbery, have concord show up 15 minutes after the gank and spend 2 hours at the crime scene eating donuts and asking you what color the hauler was that took your loot.
Cipher7 Keepers of the Holy Bagel SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 11:09:00 - [120] Get a fcking grip people. Theres crime in Eve, theres crime in Tokyo, theres crime in New York City, theres crime in Paris, theres crime in London, theres crime in Jita, Rens, Oursalaert... Right at this moment someone in Moscow is getting robbed. It's a statistic. x % of haulers get through, y % get ganked. What, you want crime free Eve? A world without crime is fantasy not sci fi. People are getting robbed in highsec and they SHOULD be getting robbed in highsec. Why the fck are you even playing Eve if you're gonna whine about the existance of crime?
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.05.08 11:24:00 - [121] Heres my idea to stop high sec ship ganking.. if you ship gets killed by concord(or killed while doing an Illigal activity), you should be Denied an Insurance payout)
Mr Adequate Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.08 11:52:00 - [122] Edited by: Mr Adequate on 08/05/2007 11:53:16 Originally by: Arron S Heres my idea to stop high sec ship ganking.. if you ship gets killed by concord(or killed while doing an Illigal activity), you should be Denied an Insurance payout) Fair, the insurance company should actively look for ways to deny payout. Being denied payment for being shot dead by on-duty police in course of duties sounds definately like sound policy. Otherwise how can they make ISK for their shareholders? Raises the risk of attacking a freighter, but if the target is juicy enough this might make up for it sufficienly to cover the costs of the operation. Alternatively, you lose skillpoints in your clone as a punishment. Bit harder to make this in-character (Eg. your clone gets assaulted in the brig by Concorde goons on re-birth for messing with them)
50freefly Caldari Purify	Posted - 2007.05.08 11:54:00 - [123] Mate, if you are transporting valuable goods in hi-sec, don't use a hauler. I know it's tempting to fill all your stuff into one (untanked???) hauler and go afking across the universe, but don't do it. Nobody is going to suicide even a cruiser, there's just no point. Certainly not a battleship. That's a badger, a caldari industrial used for TRADE GOODS. NOT your latest shipment of deadspace loot. Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.
Malcanis High4Life	Posted - 2007.05.08 11:57:00 - [124] "Alternatively, you lose skillpoints in your clone as a punishment. Bit harder to make this in-character (Eg. your clone gets assaulted in the brig by Concorde goons on re-birth for messing with them)" Here's a thought: NO No ship in the game should be invulnerable.
Gefex Novastorm Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.08 12:15:00 - [125] Originally by: Kesh McCall Originally by: Dimmak Long Originally by: Fswd No those are producers, crafting = wow. Go whine there lol you muppet crafting goes back as long as asherons call one!! Ultima online anyone ? Ahh Ultima, another great game, where you could go in town, and there would be mounds of bodies around the bank. Nowhere was truly safe, it was what made it so great ... then there was Trammel, but we don't talk about that. Please CCP we dont want another Trammel!
Mr Adequate Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.08 12:29:00 - [126] Originally by: 50freefly Mate, if you are transporting valuable goods in hi-sec, don't use a hauler. I know it's tempting to fill all your stuff into one (untanked???) hauler and go afking across the universe, but don't do it. Nobody is going to suicide even a cruiser, there's just no point. Certainly not a battleship. Good point there. Reduce risk, and do not try to do everything by yourself. A fully loaded Charon is shipping billions. Maybe instead of making 100% of the profit, dump the loot in a nearby med-sec station and issue some contracts to get it shipped to the destination. Haulers in smaller ships take on most of the risk for transporting it. Spread the money a little -- make some new hauling friends.
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.05.08 18:00:00 - [127] "Learn to use the quote button. There have been what, 4 total Freighter ganks in Eves history? The most common highsec gank operations consist of a torp Raven, scanner and hauler. Taking out a transport with multiple bs would require coordination and advanced planning, something not everyone can pull off, something that can be avoided with warp to zero, something that can be avoided with using cans so they don't know if its worth the risk. The amount of macro hauler mission runners is insane, no one with an IQ over 50 would risk killing a transport that showed up as empty and tanked. Yes, it is easy bucks. BECAUSE THERE ARE STUPID PEOPLE WHO HAUL ****LOADS OF T2 IN BESTOWERS. How about this, use game mechanics and adapt, and last time I checked, whining on Eve-O isn't considered adapting to game mechanics." Again since you like to talk smart and tough use your brain a little bit. only 4 freighters so far.... Anyone with an IQ over 50 would have no problem killing a tranmsport even if empty because insurance pays out to cover most of what you lost, and what is gained is usually WAY WAY more than the cost of insurance. You can easily go bust on 4 of every 5 and still make loads of money. Fact is you don;t have to pop empty transports. You call people stupid while being so stupid yourself to not realize there really is not alot of other options for players. Not everyone can fly a frieghter and they need to move good and not wait for the day they can flyu a frieghter. Indy and transports are easily ganked secure can's don;t help, tanking doesnt help, escort doesnt help nothing helps. I know you want to defend this lame exploit of game mechancis ( the one where concord protects you while you wait to gank, knowing that you plan to die anyways once your target is found. So stop pretending everyone else is a dullard and you can use you're poorly thought out weak arguments to justify your own RISK FREE gimmick to make easy money, you're only fooling yourself. If you beleive other wise please present a reasonable way to protect yourself from the gank suicide in high sec. I will poke holes in every one of your poorly thought out excuses of how to defend from a suicide gank.
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.05.08 18:02:00 - [128] "Ahh Ultima, another great game, where you could go in town, and there would be mounds of bodies around the bank. Nowhere was truly safe, it was what made it so great ... then there was Trammel, but we don't talk about that. Please CCP we dont want another Trammel! " what we already have is trammel tard. the suicide gankers are 100% safe while they wait to find a ship to gank.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.08 18:13:00 - [129] Edited by: SiJira on 08/05/2007 18:09:06 nothing wrong with suicide gank the drones-concord issue needs to be fixed though ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Sexy Schoolgirl	Posted - 2007.05.08 18:14:00 - [130] The only problem here are the 'crafters' who flow to Jita like muppets in their t1 haulers looking to jump on the Jita bandwagon... when they should either be training for transports and freighters... and/or exploring other systems to sell their goods. Face it, like 0.0 and low sec its for experienced players... same goes for running the Jita market... its for experienced players. Don't come crying to me if you die there... in a war or not. Jita is not for noobs.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.08 18:27:00 - [131] Originally by: Sexy Schoolgirl The only problem here are the 'crafters' who flow to Jita like muppets in their t1 haulers looking to jump on the Jita bandwagon... when they should either be training for transports and freighters... and/or exploring other systems to sell their goods. Face it, like 0.0 and low sec its for experienced players... same goes for running the Jita market... its for experienced players. Don't come crying to me if you die there... in a war or not. Jita is not for noobs. yea but every time a newb wants to manufacture or trade everyone tells them GO JITA ITLL LAG BUT ITS WORTH IT especially the inexperienced newbs that have no idea about industry ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Master Spoonman Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.08 18:37:00 - [132] The most simple solution to this problem is to make it that insurance isn't paid if the ship is destroyed by concord/faction police. Either that or charge a certain fee for a 'Concord response fee' to the agressor. It wouldn't eliminate suicide high-sec ganking, but it would lessen it considerably. High security space isn't perfect security space, but still, there isn't enough punishment to those who wish to break the law. *** Special thanks to Zurtur to making this signature for me
Bael Don'adur	Posted - 2007.05.08 19:37:00 - [133] Originally by: Master Spoonman High security space isn't perfect security space, but still, there isn't enough punishment to those who wish to break the law. That's basically the whole argument. It shouldn't be perfectly safe. But it shouldn't maintain the whole wild west feel. Never thought I would hear so much sense coming from a follower of Emillio Estevez. I think that the insurance claim issue would make perfect sense. You could still high sec gank, but it would add more risk to both players (as there isn't much risk on the part of the gankers atm)
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.08 19:58:00 - [134] Originally by: Gefex Originally by: Kesh McCall Originally by: Dimmak Long Originally by: Fswd No those are producers, crafting = wow. Go whine there lol you muppet crafting goes back as long as asherons call one!! Ultima online anyone ? Ahh Ultima, another great game, where you could go in town, and there would be mounds of bodies around the bank. Nowhere was truly safe, it was what made it so great ... then there was Trammel, but we don't talk about that. Please CCP we dont want another Trammel! At least UO had STATLOSS for criminals. Eve has no real penalty for being a criminal. They shouldn't be getting insurance and should lose skillpoints or something (after all, what company would want to clone a known serial killer?)
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.08 20:35:00 - [135] You should be able to kill anyone anywhere. It's the reward/risk that should vary. High-Sec Suicide Gankers are only rewarded for there efforts, freighter pilots are only at risk. Removed Insurance for gankers or give freighters tanking capabilties or something so they can POSSIBLY escape. Further, I think CCP intended for people to at least try and act like humans in this game. Which would mean most everyone cares for their lives and suicide is not within your scope of thinking. I've dealt with enough Gamers in different genres to know that the "If the rules don't say I can't, then I can" mentality is ultimately destructive to the game as a whole. Once again.. EVE the Game where Suicide is OK! Aind See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Thesas Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.05.09 06:11:00 - [136] I agree that in game violence should be possible anywhere in this game. I also think that the price we pay for our actions in game should be equitable and reasonable from the standpoint of every player. If I were to lose trucks in my business with no recourse, I would do what need be done quietly and efficiently to maintain the profitability of the venture. I expect no less from CCP than to assure that every player have the ability to compete via the game mechanic. There should also be areas in game where new players have reasonable opportunity to progress in game without being restricted in their game by established players. Empire offers that to some degree. Consideration of noobs leads to growth and only a fool does not want his product to grow. This is a pvp centric game yet it is more than that. The economy of this game is unique among games, more so than its setting, and there are players who view those aspects of the game as their primary interest. Note the front page link to the article in the Financial Times regarding EveÆs economic model. Eve is far more than pvp and that need be recognized as valid when people pay to play this game. It is not being a carebear, whatever that idiom is meant to mean, when people are drawn to this game for reasons other than pvp. I suspect that if you remove the non pvp players from Eve, they may as well turn off the lights and go home for the impact to this game would be staggering. The in game economy would collapse and the game would cease to function. Do contest that but the truth is inescapable. You people require each other more than you appear to detest each otherÆs choices in play style. This freighter situation will be modified if CCP has any intention of maintaining balance in this game between the industrial, economic oriented player, and the pvp player. It is obviously a symbiotic relationship between the play styles that creates the Eve economy which is so remarkable as to be written up in main stream real world media. The entire premise of Eve requires balance. Every profession is a part of that balance. PVP is more than blasters. If the day ever comes when every aspect of Eve is not reasonably played, then the game is finis. CCP knows this and that is why inequities in conflicts between diverse play styles will be adjusted. This argument has obviously already been decided and this is all theater. No one wins except the game.
Misanth X-Fire	Posted - 2007.05.09 06:21:00 - [137] Edited by: Misanth on 09/05/2007 06:18:29 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Eve has no real penalty for being a criminal. They shouldn't be getting insurance and should lose skillpoints or something (after all, what company would want to clone a known serial killer?) * Sec status drop. * There are illegal/pirate corps around. (NPCs) * Or just do a mission for any of the 4 races and you'll see they even play dirty themselves. This game has very few laws and limits, pretty much everything is permitted. Anything limiting that would be a huge nerf to the game as a whole, and ruin the very reason many people even play this game. While on the other side, crafters and carebears can't say this game ever was secure and something changed. Adapt. And seriously I still don't understand why this would be a problem, "don't fly what you can't afford to lose". As well as the base rule, "transporting valuables? bring friends". Losses should be expected. I don't understand why this thread exist (and still is alive).
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.05.09 07:27:00 - [138] some wow mindset players try it out then leave that said overall player number peaktime are down we need another big patch and soon to push it forward
Lubomir Penev Gallente Dark Nexxus Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.05.09 10:13:00 - [139] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah (after all, what company would want to clone a known serial killer?) One that is paid for it, whose customers are mostly comprised of serial killers and who would lose them if it didn't faithfully abide by the contract it agreed to?
DeODokktor Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2007.05.09 12:53:00 - [140] Originally by: Epicurus I have to agree. CCP pride themselves on Eve being able to emulate aspects of RL.. Player run markets and so on.. In RL would would not walk into a bank that had 10 coppers sat outside and demand ú1million and expect to get away with it. In Eve all thats going to happen is that you lost your ship, and if you have picked the right target then your quids in. The guy in his hauler/freighter will get his isk back from his ship loss but not for his cargo. Lets have "Concord" pick up the loot and put it in the first station in system :).. so no-war ganking = no loot.....
Bael Don'adur	Posted - 2007.05.09 20:38:00 - [141] So have the devs ever commented on this topic? Does anyone know?
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.09 22:09:00 - [142] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah (after all, what company would want to clone a known serial killer?) One that is paid for it, whose customers are mostly comprised of serial killers and who would lose them if it didn't faithfully abide by the contract it agreed to? ya some people have some serious understanding issues... a serial killer doesnt mean KOS everyone... just means they kill multiple people for motives other than impulsive anger/revenge ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.09 22:09:00 - [143] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah (after all, what company would want to clone a known serial killer?) One that is paid for it, whose customers are mostly comprised of serial killers and who would lose them if it didn't faithfully abide by the contract it agreed to? ya some people have some serious understanding issues... a serial killer doesnt mean KOS everyone... just means they kill multiple people for motives other than impulsive anger/revenge ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.05.09 23:14:00 - [144] devs dont bother because system works as devs want it to already
Necrosmith Gallente Eth3real 3asy Company	Posted - 2007.05.09 23:42:00 - [145] Originally by: Arron S Heres my idea to stop high sec ship ganking.. if you ship gets killed by concord(or killed while doing an Illigal activity), you should be Denied an Insurance payout) What a revolutionary idea! Still fresh and new after being suggested for the 4,731,234,657th time! lol Best Regards, --Necro ------------- "Isk is cheap. Life is cheaper. This week, they're having a sale on both."
Jarna	Posted - 2007.05.10 00:01:00 - [146] Hmm/...I totally agree this is a PVP game. But the calculated risk for a ganker is none under the current conditions. I totally agree that gankers shoudl exist, even in lowsec, but they need higher ramifications. wtf is highsec for if Jita has the highest kill rate. it -is- the most populated area, I understand that, but nonehtless, that means it should be mroe policed. If a high sec area can have a higher kill rate than even .5 secs...that equals dumb. In short, gankers need to have higher risks involved and CONCORD = the suck if they can't protect anyone.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.10 01:57:00 - [147] Originally by: Jarna Hmm/...I totally agree this is a PVP game. But the calculated risk for a ganker is none under the current conditions. I totally agree that gankers shoudl exist, even in lowsec, but they need higher ramifications. wtf is highsec for if Jita has the highest kill rate. it -is- the most populated area, I understand that, but nonehtless, that means it should be mroe policed. If a high sec area can have a higher kill rate than even .5 secs...that equals dumb. In short, gankers need to have higher risks involved and CONCORD = the suck if they can't protect anyone. if you just look at the number of players again - percentage wise it is not so bad ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Bael Don'adur	Posted - 2007.05.10 02:26:00 - [148] Originally by: Callthetruth devs dont bother because system works as devs want it to already Have they said that somewhere specific to this issue?
Ryo Jang Central Defiance Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.05.10 02:30:00 - [149] Originally by: heheheh Nowhere is meant for greifing, everywhere is meant for PVP. if this is true, why does ccp put so much effort into trying to make high sec safe?
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.10 02:46:00 - [150] Originally by: Malcanis " your clone gets assaulted in the brig by Concorde goons on re-birth for messing with them" Pictures Concord guy jacking off into cloning vat Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ... ~Liz Kali
Through Actions	Posted - 2007.05.10 04:48:00 - [151] This is going to sounds REAL newbish, but I'm not a high sec pirate so... how do people gank in high sec and get any loot? You lose your ship shortly after your target is destroyed and doesn't concord blow you up if you come back within 15 minutes? So how do they collect the loot at all?
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.10 13:23:00 - [152] Originally by: Ryo Jang Originally by: heheheh Nowhere is meant for greifing, everywhere is meant for PVP. if this is true, why does ccp put so much effort into trying to make high sec safe? safe to be does not mean impossible to gank ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
HairyGary	Posted - 2007.05.10 14:15:00 - [153] Edited by: HairyGary on 10/05/2007 14:11:40 Originally by: Dimmak Long Originally by: Davich MacGregor Originally by: The Recharger Most haulers I gank, are because they dont have any form of a tank. Second most important thing is, never go afk with a couple hundred million stashed in your hauler. I tell you this, most ganks that happen are the fault of the lazzynes or ingorance of the hauler pilot himself not the lameness of the ganker. They just exsist because the possibility for them is there. CCP doesn't need to do anything, people need to stop being lazy. Word Not true at all read another post floating about in the forums people are taking down freighters, that was the intial start to this topic!! the pilot carnt warp its to slow he carnt tank his ship or speed it up, in fact in short he carnt do a damn single thing. this is not a down to been stupid its down to a one sided gank where there are no odds! the ganker looses nothing and the freighter pilot looses everything. Next you will tell me that they shouldnt haul billions of isk around at a time! what the hell is a freighter for then??? why have a cargo bay with 800,000m3+ cargo that you carnt use, your argument nulls the whole point that frieghters exist!!! Wow, what a load of disingenuous tripe. "Whaaa, the pilot can't warp, he can't tank, there's NOTHING he can do!" Nonsense. He can, for instance - just an idea here - not stroll into the camp of mean mean people that want to kill him in the first place. That might mean (gasp!) employing a friend to jump ahead and scout an area out. What the hell is a freighter for? A freighter is for moving huge volumes of cargo. That's it. Do you see anything in the description or attributes of a freighter that says, "This ship is for moving huge volumes of cargo safely while you are AFK?" No? Didn't think so.
Ione Hunt Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.05.10 14:40:00 - [154] Put your stuff into cans which can't be scanned. Like that they can't be sure if it's worth blowing you up or not. If I have something small and valuable to transport, I use a fresh noob char in a frig with the "random high value item" in a caro can. Jita <> Amarr dozen of times, and not a single attack. I'd asume the same works for bigger transport ships... _______________ random sig with a hot chick
Trillick	Posted - 2007.05.16 01:38:00 - [155] Hmm, let me just try to understand this... 1.Original post, for better or worse, starts a topic RE: ganking in Jita. 2.10-20% of posts are actually on topic in reply to original post and the rest of responses are from numerous people who are not capable of having a conversation in Real life, so they come here to flame because they are bored...or 12 years old...or both... Just my 2.3 ISK: I have caught gankers apparently waiting hours (not minutes) in Jita/Perimeter/etc to ID a target, and since they appear to be in groups they are sitting ON LINE without any significant interaction with the game for a LONG time, except talking to each other or their corp mates. Quite honestly I think thatÆs funny. Sad, but funny. I have to agree with a couple people who state you go AFK you deserve to be ganked. However, as any good police force knows where the local (or non-local) thieves hang out, they just go out to x-y-z system with 100-250 ships of all sizes and knock in the door of said "hideout" and take everyone in for questioning who was a participant/knows participants/related to participants (alts???), etc. Then after 20-30 days you get let out from the local police station 30 jumps from x-y-z system. But then again, CCP will probably just ignore this thread and let 10 cruisers and 5 battleships float right outside the Jita Navy station as if they are sightseeing...

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