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Talamonius
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Posted - 2007.06.07 11:13:00 -
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What incentive is there to sell a character if the seller must pay the transfer fee? Surely, asking the buyer to compensate for the $20.00 transfer fee is not against the rules; as it is simply passing-on a fee which the current exchange mechanics force the seller to pay. Please clarify.
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Ginger Tom
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Posted - 2007.06.07 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ginger Tom on 07/06/2007 11:35:21
The incentive is the seller getting isk for it, what other incentive do you need, as Explained earlier in thread by mod that any rl money paid would be the same as paying for the char which is against the eula.
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Well, if you get the sellers login details to use your card to pay the transfer you're guilty of account sharing. And even if you manage to give the seller money any other way, you are practically giving him real world money for the character, which is against the rules since characters may only be sold for ISK. I guess we could clarify it in these rules.
Wrangler
Assistant Community Manager
EVE Online
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Talamonius
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Posted - 2007.06.07 12:27:00 -
[33]
What you suggest means that the transfer fee of real-life $20.00 is effectively being exchanged for isk as part of the character price. I read this as being against the EULA, and not the other way round as you suggest.
All prices and cost breakdowns should be transparent to the buyer; character cost and transfer fee are separate, and should be identifiable.
Until this is clarified by a moderator, I am unable to auction my toon.
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Talamonius
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Posted - 2007.06.07 13:27:00 -
[34]
All I can do is register my thoughts here and go along with the consensus; so I have re-posted my character auction according to these dictates.
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Alia's
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Posted - 2007.06.11 04:49:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Alia''s on 11/06/2007 04:49:07
Originally by: CCP kieron
The 'For Sale/Auction' post must be made by the character being offered. This is being added to prevent scams for characters that have been misrepresented, banned, non-existent, etc.
Is there any way to go around this? I have couple characters to be sold soon, which for anonymity is the key thing. I would like to keep the character names secret, which only buyer and seller know.
Isn't the positive/negative isk in wallet same kind of 'trust' issue than being banned/mispresented/etc, the buyer just has to believe sellers word, and if nto true -> petition.
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Anna Korsakov
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:23:00 -
[36]
I'm in the process of buying a char. The buyer has listed the name of the character I'm buying as the recipient of the isk in the sale thread. Is that acceptable, it meets the letter of the rules but doesn't seem to achieve anything. Presumably the wallet entries are erased when the char is transferred so would CCP still be able to trace the isk?
I'd like to request a Dev ruling on this one
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Yvelle
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Posted - 2007.06.14 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Yvelle on 14/06/2007 08:29:14
So its against the rules to actually just give the (cancelled) account to the person who's buying it for ISKs ? And i MUST pay that $20 to have the transfer done ? I'm looking to sell the character with a fully rigged hulk and iteron V
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Mallick
Northern Intelligence
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Posted - 2007.06.19 22:13:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Mallick on 19/06/2007 22:12:30
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Madheadoff
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Posted - 2007.06.22 11:10:00 -
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How should someone act if, say, he/she wants to buy a char for the real money? Does ccp protect buyer's & seller's interests in such a deal?
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Drones Biatch
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Posted - 2007.06.24 18:57:00 -
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PLEASE CLARIFY:
Is it against the Rules to trade Faction Mods/Implants and ISK for a character?
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Drones Biatch
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Posted - 2007.06.24 18:57:00 -
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PLEASE CLARIFY:
Is it against the Rules to trade Faction Mods/Implants and ISK for a character?
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Ortegos
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.06.25 12:57:00 -
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i want to know if giving the account info instead of transfering the account to the buyer is alowed since the character in question is the only one on the account ?
can a GM replie to this pls
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Aegisthius
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Posted - 2007.06.26 10:09:00 -
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same question as previous poster please reply ccp
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Cheunger
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.06.26 13:40:00 -
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Way to protect the players. Now it's going to be impossible to buy a character without others knowing.
Imagine this:
"Oh. Look at that. X is buying Y. I know another alt of X's. I hate X. Let's grief Y."
Thanks for another useless change.
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Messerschmitt facility
Amarr
Shinra
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:54:00 -
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This is the only topic which is not getting spammed, I would like to point out this:
If you account has expired, and you need a GTC, you cannot post on forums with an expired account, therefore you can't get a GTC.
The FAQ about GTC states otherwise, so you might want to change that CCP
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freddy bloggs
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Posted - 2007.06.27 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cheunger
Way to protect the players. Now it's going to be impossible to buy a character without others knowing.
Imagine this:
"Oh. Look at that. X is buying Y. I know another alt of X's. I hate X. Let's grief Y."
Thanks for another useless change.
You buy with an alt on your acoount
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Alia's
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Posted - 2007.06.29 15:23:00 -
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My suggestions to change the rules:
1. The 'For Sale/Auction' post can be made by any character but before the transaction takes place the buyer must have possibility to convo the character being offered to confirm it is not mispresented, banned, non-existent, etc.
2. You must disclose the amount of ISK the character being offered has in its wallet, positive or negative amount.
3. The character who will be receiving the ISK after the sale of the character must be listed in the thread.
4. The sell post must reflect the character correctly, posting that the character you're selling has different amount of skillpoints or ISK than it actually has is a bannable offence.
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.29 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 29/06/2007 17:30:22
Originally by: Alia's
My suggestions to change the rules:
1. The 'For Sale/Auction' post can be made by any character but before the transaction takes place the buyer must have possibility to convo the character being offered to confirm it is not mispresented, banned, non-existent, etc.
2. You must disclose the amount of ISK the character being offered has in its wallet, positive or negative amount.
3. The character who will be receiving the ISK after the sale of the character must be listed in the thread.
4. The sell post must reflect the character correctly, posting that the character you're selling has different amount of skillpoints or ISK than it actually has is a bannable offence.
Change the rules just for you so you can sell a titan char that would allow the player to avoid a game mechanic solo?
Common now.
All bidders and potential bidders derserve to know the name of the character beforehand. This helps people weed out scammers and also protects a winning bidder who may not be as up to speed on scamming methods from getting scammed.
And from the amount of scams on the forums, that's a good thing.
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Alia's
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Posted - 2007.06.29 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
Change the rules just for you so you can sell a titan char that would allow the player to avoid a game mechanic solo?
Common now.
All bidders and potential bidders derserve to know the name of the character beforehand. This helps people weed out scammers and also protects a winning bidder who may not be as up to speed on scamming methods from getting scammed.
And from the amount of scams on the forums, that's a good thing.
You still haven't argued successfully how the proposed change would make things more scamfriendly. I am trying to make more choices available for both sellers and buyers, and you stubbornly resist. What is so wrong with selling characters so general public does not find their names?
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.29 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Alia's
What is so wrong with selling characters so general public does not find their names?
Because it opens a can of worms for character scammers to exploit. Forcing the seller to disclose the name of the character AND to make them post as that character allows all potential buyers to know exactly what they are getting.
If you wanted to protect your titan alts, you shouldnt advertise them as titan alts. Just have a normal auction and let the bidders come to their own conclusions to what the characters intended use is.
And to be honest, a whole titan alt to let you escape from having to work as a team with other players should have some sort of risk.
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Alia's
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Posted - 2007.06.29 18:51:00 -
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You are on crusade against scammers, and that is a good thing. However I feel you are blinded by your hatred towards scammers that you are willing to let ideas like mine die 'for the cause'.
I have approached kieron & other parties in this matter and it'll be their final word which will matter, not yours.
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.29 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Alia's
However I feel you are blinded by your hatred towards scammers that you are willing to let ideas like mine die 'for the cause'.
Because theres vulnerabilities with not revealing the character for sale to everyone. And I'm not about to reveal to people what these vulnerabilities are.
Originally by: Alia's
I have approached kieron & other parties in this matter and it'll be their final word which will matter, not yours.
They knew what they were doing when they came up with the rules and it's not going to change, infact it's just going to get even more strict when the secure character sales comes into play.
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litttle missmuffin
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Posted - 2007.07.02 22:41:00 -
[53]
If a person buys a char from another player, does the transferred char's old work history, isk journel, etc... stay with the char?
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Nargo Nextit
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.03 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: litttle missmuffin
If a person buys a char from another player, does the transferred char's old work history, isk journel, etc... stay with the char?
YES
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Vitagren Tsuko
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Posted - 2007.07.06 20:54:00 -
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Wouldn't it be nice if you could generate a temporary, one time use login and password that allowed someone to log into one specified character. Some way of being able to view all aspects of the character (wallet, assets, standings, etc.), but not make any changes including undocking or chat.
Probably too much development for such a specific purpose.
How about adding an option to the character skilltree page on myeve that allows it to be public?
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Kurull Skullsplitter
Minmatar
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.10 00:08:00 -
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Surely someone has made a little program by now for the API Key to just let someone look at the skill tree? This would be very handy verification of character skills for those on sale.
Default API Key Gen Page (works after you login)
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Alpis Sushi
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Posted - 2007.07.13 02:40:00 -
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Why not something similar to how the ingame market and escrow are done, but either in game or out game.
1. when a character is listed, it is transfered from the sellers account to an escrow area.
2. this transfer is done using isk and is also used to place a minimum bid. reserve, buy-out etc could all be used.
3. a new character could not be created in case the character is not bought.
4. infomation about the character is listed, or linked to the character sheet.
5. another character must be used to accept the isk in case of character sale. or have the isk default to another character on the same account.
6. the buyer has the ability to review age, previous corps joined, skill tree, wallet, assets.
7. the buyer places a offer. using isk, items, etc. the seller can review these offers and accept the one most desirable. or at the expiration of the auction, refuse, with the knowledge of the lost isk for the transfer to the escrow area. ie, the sell may want 200m isk. the potential buyer, may offer 100m isk but 100m in items (ships, mods, etc) it would up to the seller to determine the value of the items, accept or ignore the offer.
8. maybe have the sell able to counter-offer the potential buyer.
ok, I'm dragging this along. maybe someone at ccp could do something better then what i offer. maybe others can take this and make it better, who knows.
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Allison Rayne
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:29:00 -
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Ive called BuyOut 3 times in the last week for a character. When I posted my BO, The reply count was "0" so I know Im posting my buy reasonably fast. well in each instance the seller would post like a hour later that he/she sold to someone else ingame "before you posted your BO"
My question is this: How can I compete with people outside the thread and have it be fair? I cant see time stamps to show me if I was late...or if another bidder made a out of thread deal after the auction was BO by me. Im just getting ****ed now and wanted to know if this is the way it is? or its actionable.
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ErectileDysfunction
The Coalition Of Buccaneers
Mercenary Services
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Posted - 2007.07.22 18:00:00 -
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When a reserve is posted and met does seller have to close sale? I have met reserves and no sale has taken place several times it is without honor.
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MAXIMILLIUS REX
Caldari
Dark and Light inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.18 19:11:00 -
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OK, this is really noob, I have a character on my account that I want to sell and someone else wants to buy (for isk), how do I actually go about and pay the transfer fee? I did a search on Transfer Fee and Character Transfer and nothing. Any help would be appreciated.
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