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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:07:00 -
[31]
I would like to nominate Dark Shikari to the post of "Rabbler in Chief."
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Olsen'Kra
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:11:00 -
[32]
I lost my clothes in Jita. Damn silly trade window. 
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Gladia Horusthu
Gallente
Anything Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:17:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
I would like to nominate Dark Shikari to the post of "Rabbler in Chief."
I don't think that's a position one is nominated to, but rather something one takes upon herself/himself.
DS has quite a track record to back him, he is almost always spot on when he points out problems. I'm disappointed in the GMs for this, but my assumption is that it's simply not an issue they can track server side. If they can't track it, there's no way to really punish transgressors.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:21:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Venkul Mul on 09/05/2007 18:22:05
Thank for the warning DS.
I think that the GM labelled it "not an exploit" as they can't know if there were external contact and the 2 person hadn't some out of game accord, but still it is at least ground for a serious investigation and some kind of warning.
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schneirder
Tropical Killer Bananas
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:24:00 -
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Im very worried this is going to KILL Eves good reputation, or whatever was left of it
Now people can say not only does GM's let people scam each other but exploits are allowed to.
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Tabet Saens
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:25:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Tabet Saens on 09/05/2007 18:22:03
Originally by: Olsen'Kra
I lost my clothes in Jita. Damn silly trade window.
ahh feck I might as well add some commments..."I think this is despicable etc etc etc and all that."
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:26:00 -
[37]
I can see this scam working in reverse too !
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Tabet Saens
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Gladia Horusthu
I'm disappointed in the GMs for this, but my assumption is that it's simply not an issue they can track server side. If they can't track it, there's no way to really punish transgressors.
then they should take extraordinary steps to fix this. Simple hot-fix might be to simply not allow changing of what you put into the trade window. If a change needs to be made, either parties need to 'cancel' and restart the trade. Or something like that.
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Purgatori
Minmatar
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:30:00 -
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lag in jita seems too much for it to work tbh :X
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hilaw
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:32:00 -
[40]
Edited by: hilaw on 09/05/2007 18:33:02
A new variation on an old trick, but talk about lag causing problems!
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Ticondrius
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:36:00 -
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No "hot patch" will fix this. The client must be patched.
CCP is going to sit on it's hands until Rev 2.0 according to their posts after 1.4.4 was released as far a client patches go. Soo...avoid in-station trades. Period. God only knows how many patches it's going to take to fix THIS bug...
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:39:00 -
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Wow, this is absolutely ********. We need this bugreported or CCP to acknowledge that they're going to fix the f-ing trade window.
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
Temptation inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:42:00 -
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tried it for like 15 mins now with an alt.. to "try it out"
dosent seem to work :/ prop need some VERY BAD LAG
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Maniva Lakona
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:43:00 -
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This is just insane, got another Obelisk and a Charon!!!
Gave everything back though as I would be bloody fuming if it happened to me, not bad for an alt eh 
This needs fixing straight away to be honest, scams should be where people are not to clever or thinking they are going to make a quick buck... this is due to lag 
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Potot Aragot
Caldari
Aragot Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:49:00 -
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"Hi,
This is not currently considered an exploit, but please keep in mind it might be subjected to change. Trying this is done at your own risk, knowing that this policy might change.
Best regards,
Senior GM Xamother
EVE Online Customer Support" |
Emo Jelli
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:50:00 -
[46]
Please ban Dark Shikari from the forums permanently.
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Blind Man
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:50:00 -
[47]
man this game is getting crappy..
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Cadien Cybernetics
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:52:00 -
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Gee, if any other player would've posted this he would've been told not to whine or to shut up and get over it, because he/she apparently got scammed etc. etc.
Dark Shikari doesn't
Congrats DS, you won the EVE forums.
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Sergio Ling
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:56:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 09/05/2007 18:36:42
Want to be able to magically take your ISK out of a trade window and let the other person accept without seeing what you did? Its not an exploit, according to the Senior GMs, so I will post the full details here! Have fun; it is completely impossible to avoid the scam unless the victim knows specifically what the scam is and doesn't use the trade window, or uses it in a specific manner to avoid it!
1. Go to a laggy trade hub system. Jita, Motsu, Saila, anything works. It can't be too laggy; marginally laggy is enough. Not like its hard at all to find a decently laggy system.
2. Watch local. There will invariably be someone selling valuable items, in fact, there will probably be a lot of people.
3. Convo someone selling something. Make sure you're in the "hub station" of the system so they can trade you.
4. Make an offer for it. When they say yes, open a trade window they'll put in the item. Wait a little bit, and put in the money. Say "Accept".
5. Remove the money as soon as possible after saying "accept." If you screw up, you either get the item for a reasonable price (ohnos) or you have to convo the next person.
6. If the system is laggy, the other player WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE that the money has been removed until after they click accept! The delay is too long for their screen to update in time... and bam, you got their item for free!
The trick is that you remove the money before they click accept, but they don't see the change in the money until after they click accept. This isn't hard at all to do with the kind of lag present these days throughout EVE. The result is that the person clicks accept to Trade A, but actually agrees to Trade B, which is not the same as Trade A (in particular, with the ISK removed).
Repeat as necessary until CCP realizes that their trade system as currently made is completely useless and miserably exploitable. Isn't it fun to scam when your victim never even sees the scam until after they accept what appears to be a perfectly valid trade?
you're pretty low. you're like a child, crying for attention, and every week brings a new way of you presenting yourself as a hero to the people; you're irreverent, hypocritical, rude, sly, and nasty. if there was a big pot of faeces, you'd be in there, stirring away. i hope this goes bad for you, i really do
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Gladia Horusthu
Gallente
Anything Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Potot Aragot
GM Communication
You may want to edit that out before the mods do, you aren't allowed to quote GM communications on the Eve forums. You can summarize judgements like DS did, but not quote them.
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Potot Aragot
Caldari
Aragot Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:00:00 -
[51]
I'm sorry, i wasn't aware that posting GM conversations was against the forum rules.. i've removed my post.
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Futuri
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:00:00 -
[52]
It can be hotfixed, just disable the trade system until a better solution is available...
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:02:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Sergio Ling
*snip*
kettle is that you?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:04:00 -
[54]
Originally by: schneirder
Im very worried this is going to KILL Eves good reputation...
Are you crazy? Which good reputation???
The whole game is going down the drain and it is a shame.
Now even senior GMs care a *** about it.
An obvious exploit declared being legal - but it is not the first time (shooting through pos shields, pos bowling etc.) Yeah, great jobs, indeed.
I wouldn't know any better way how to ruin Eve. You could try to spread all sort of rumours on different gaming sites and so on, but none of that is so efficient like this crap!!
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Zurtur
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Zurtur on 09/05/2007 19:01:21
No trade window trading for me....
Edit: Also, thx for posting, good to know.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
Requiem of Hades
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:09:00 -
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Sighs!
Vets encouraging mass griefing until the race issue becomes an exploit and poor CCP Devs need to look at it because CCP's customer support will be overworked.
I guess this is what eVe is really is, not very new player experience friendly.
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Purgatori
Minmatar
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Purgatori on 09/05/2007 19:09:39
if people are making like 5 bil an hour from this... this is going to ruin the market in no time at all... you pay to play.. and doing these "lag trades" can obviously make people leave or even the end of eve...
petitioned this to see what response would be... petition was closed with a "thanks for reporting this" type message... i guess ccp want people to be able to afford a titan in like 10 hours of using this method :X
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Trinity Faetal
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:12:00 -
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ccp gave you the tools to avoid scams like this its called contracts 
don't trade 1vs1
don't do [want to buy]
what else is there 
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
Requiem of Hades
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Trinity Faetal
ccp gave you the tools to avoid scams like this its called contracts
don't trade 1vs1
don't do [want to buy]
what else is there
CCP might as well remove trade window. 
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I 100% agree with Avon.
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gordon cain
Minmatar
x13
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Trinity Faetal
ccp gave you the tools to avoid scams like this its called contracts
don't trade 1vs1
don't do [want to buy]
what else is there
Yeah, but in the old days the only safe thing realle was the trade window. You always had a fair chance to show info etc and doing the trade.
With this "new" lag situation everything is f***** up and the only safe thing is something they just fixed not so long ago.
Gordon
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