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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.05.15 22:33:00 -
[271]
 Originally by: TroNaaR
^^^^
I aint readin all that... sheesh...
What bob wants : Cake. Lots of it, especially if it is yours.
/Thread over
lol. Best answer yet ^^
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Ket Halpak
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.16 02:10:00 -
[272]
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Originally by: TroNaaR
^^^^
I aint readin all that... sheesh...
What bob wants : Cake. Lots of it, especially if it is yours.
/Thread over
lol. Best answer yet ^^
They can have my cake, and eat it too, but they will have to wrestle my pie from my cold dead hands.
Pie 4tw!
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Outro
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.16 12:22:00 -
[273]
No I'm sorry, the correct answer was WORLD DOMINATION!!
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Dionisius
Gallente
Ordem dos Templarios
Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.05.16 14:41:00 -
[274]
Originally by: Proxay
Originally by: Dionisius
If you count ganks at doorstep or same system were your station is.... well.
As for the rest, the bigger picture, you don't.
Dionisius [9 kills]
Proxay [348 kills]
Please, prove i'm not PvPing...
Excuse me were did you get my.... 9 kills?Making stuff up?... liar liar.
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What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
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Proxay
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.16 14:57:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Dionisius
Excuse me were did you get my.... 9 kills?Making stuff up?... liar liar.
I work off what i see.
http://xelas.griefwatch.net/?p=qsearch&q=dionisius&w=pilot
On Topic;
As stated a billion times; Bob wants PVP.
0.0 Dominance comes from a will to fight, without a will to fight, you can't claim space since the enemy will mince you. Bob have an excellent fighting ethic (Ie. only reason they're there) and thus can manage to conquer so much.
Fighting is EVE's most intresting feature as it's one of the only games where losing carries a value. This value is perceived as time and effort, that's how pilots can lose the will to fight, it becomes a waste of time as they watch their efforts crumble around them...forcing them to adapt or change sides.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.16 15:00:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: R0ot
Originally by: Bad Borris
Couldnt give a rats ass
Then why post such a 'flamebait' message
Let me put it simple to you, no one, NO ONE as in NOBODY, cares or respects Xelas and such, because you are the tourists that stay docked at station waiting for BoB to come and save you.
You, when i say you i and refering to your colective of tourists known as Xelas.
Sorry to break your heart but no one is envious, you are a spineless aliance.
And yet they hold more space then you. 
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Smith
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.16 15:18:00 -
[277]
Originally by: Jurbil
An alliance is made up of players.
3 types of players, imho:
1. Those who play a game because it is challenging
2. Those who play a game to win
3. Those who play for social/RP or other purely 'fun' aspects
I assume BoB players probably do not belong to the third category (i.e. that is not their primary motivation to play, though it is secondary for any MMO player)
A player who wants a challenge grows bored of a game once it is clear that he/she has won. In a strat game, this type of player plays through key conflicts with glee, enjoys the occasional setback or defeat (more challenge), and often quits in the 'cleanup' portion of the game. The second type may find challenges or setbacks frustrating/unsettling, and prefers to just dominate the game, bringing bigger and bigger smackdowns, to a smaller and smaller resistance put up by the opponent.
I am a new player, and so I'm not entirely sure what motivates BoB players. However, it seems from what I know of their abuse of game mechanics, huge capital fleets, and numerous titans, that they are out to win. I believe that if the players and corps in BoB truly seek challenging gameplay, they will eventually turn on each other.
As a player who enjoys challenge, I find the play-to-win attitude distasteful, especially in an MMO environment. I wonder what actually motivates these players, and what may be missing from their personal lives that they take so much satisfaction from dominating an un-equal field of play.
Here I am, recently joined the South, and I hope we can provide you with a fair challenge. I hope that's what you're looking for. If you're just interested in steam-rolling some 'noobs' and kicking them out of 0.0, then you all just lost my respect. And, like I said, if you are looking for a real challenge, you may look for a while at those you call 'brothers,' and think about that.
As stated I am a new player, not an alt.
You have definately got what it takes to be a member of the Coalition of Family values.
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Dionisius
Gallente
Ordem dos Templarios
Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.05.16 15:22:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Proxay
Originally by: Dionisius
Excuse me were did you get my.... 9 kills?Making stuff up?... liar liar.
I work off what i see.
http://xelas.griefwatch.net/?p=qsearch&q=dionisius&w=pilot
On Topic;
As stated a billion times; Bob wants PVP.
0.0 Dominance comes from a will to fight, without a will to fight, you can't claim space since the enemy will mince you. Bob have an excellent fighting ethic (Ie. only reason they're there) and thus can manage to conquer so much.
Fighting is EVE's most intresting feature as it's one of the only games where losing carries a value. This value is perceived as time and effort, that's how pilots can lose the will to fight, it becomes a waste of time as they watch their efforts crumble around them...forcing them to adapt or change sides.
Lol.... errrm i hate to disapoint you but from my kb i see...
Kills - 56
Real kills: - 27
Only in 1 month wich is since i joined this corp and alliance.
And i keep my stats acurate as i post kills and loses aswell.
Now for once you said one thing right, BoB dominates because they fight, Xelas doesn't.
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What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
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Dionisius
Gallente
Ordem dos Templarios
Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.05.16 15:25:00 -
[279]
Edited by: Dionisius on 16/05/2007 15:24:22
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: R0ot
Originally by: Bad Borris
Couldnt give a rats ass
Then why post such a 'flamebait' message
Let me put it simple to you, no one, NO ONE as in NOBODY, cares or respects Xelas and such, because you are the tourists that stay docked at station waiting for BoB to come and save you.
You, when i say you i and refering to your colective of tourists known as Xelas.
Sorry to break your heart but no one is envious, you are a spineless aliance.
And yet they hold more space then you.
Errm its bob's space them, and your punny alliance, holds nothing, so stfu.
I as a player only have two or three purposes ingame, have fun, cause as much destruction as possible trough PvPing and pirating now and then.
I don't care for holding space, its boring.
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What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
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Proxay
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.16 15:29:00 -
[280]
Edited by: Proxay on 16/05/2007 15:27:32
Originally by: Dionisius
Lol.... errrm i hate to disapoint you but from my kb i see...
Kills - 56
Real kills: - 27
Only in 1 month wich is since i joined this corp and alliance.
And i keep my stats acurate as i post kills and loses aswell.
Now for once you said one thing right, BoB dominates because they fight, Xelas doesn't.
Mine are from Xelas KB, therefore it isn't lying.
And you had to further attempt to degrade the purpose of the thread by throwing in a "Because Xelas doesn't", as a sort of useless troll attempt.
If you don't pvp, you don't get killmails, therefore your presence on a killboard is nill.But if you are on a killboard, with any kills, you pvp; thus you're incorrect Dionisius, because by generalising to "xelas" means that if one singular person like norman gets a lot of kills, i can use your logic and say.
"Xelas is a super active and rich pvp alliance due to extenesive pvp operations"....see where your logic fails?
Further onto the point of moral; CAOD only furthers the moral problems by saying that xyz corp should be doing this, instead of something else, thus making them consider alternatives, and they start to question their motives and/or leadership.
This also works through simply killing people off one by one, since they are less likely to undock to a bad situation twice in a row.
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Dionisius
Gallente
Ordem dos Templarios
Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.05.16 15:43:00 -
[281]
Originally by: Proxay
Edited by: Proxay on 16/05/2007 15:27:32
Originally by: Dionisius
Lol.... errrm i hate to disapoint you but from my kb i see...
Kills - 56
Real kills: - 27
Only in 1 month wich is since i joined this corp and alliance.
And i keep my stats acurate as i post kills and loses aswell.
Now for once you said one thing right, BoB dominates because they fight, Xelas doesn't.
Mine are from Xelas KB, therefore it isn't lying.
And you had to further attempt to degrade the purpose of the thread by throwing in a "Because Xelas doesn't", as a sort of useless troll attempt.
If you don't pvp, you don't get killmails, therefore your presence on a killboard is nill.But if you are on a killboard, with any kills, you pvp; thus you're incorrect Dionisius, because by generalising to "xelas" means that if one singular person like norman gets a lot of kills, i can use your logic and say.
"Xelas is a super active and rich pvp alliance due to extenesive pvp operations"....see where your logic fails?
Further onto the point of moral; CAOD only furthers the moral problems by saying that xyz corp should be doing this, instead of something else, thus making them consider alternatives, and they start to question their motives and/or leadership.
This also works through simply killing people off one by one, since they are less likely to undock to a bad situation twice in a row.
Aah but you used those stats initialy do make a point and belittle my point.
Norman... err who is norman?The guy who fights alone in Domis?That Norman?... lol.
My logic does not fail, the only ops Xelas makes extensively is patroling dead systems, when fountain was invaded you protected PNQ, as far as i remember, and that was it.
Now onto morals, if people starts questioning their leaderships its because, either the leadership is open to dialog or something is wrong.
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What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
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Proxay
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.16 15:48:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Dionisius
Aah but you used those stats initialy do make a point and belittle my point.
Norman... err who is norman?The guy who fights alone in Domis?That Norman?... lol.
My logic does not fail, the only ops Xelas makes extensively is patroling dead systems, when fountain was invaded you protected PNQ, as far as i remember, and that was it.
Now onto morals, if people starts questioning their leaderships its because, either the leadership is open to dialog or something is wrong.
Hypocritical now; you said we dont PvP period, now you've changed your tone. I consider this arguement over.
Leadership should keep some things common knowlage and some secret, that way people will be content with what they're doing day to day, and also have some hidden aspirations that may come out all of a sudden and be a 'pleasant' suprise to discover.
Some things are meant to be kept secret so that there is proof that your leadership is doing their best to protect your investments.
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Jurbil
Minmatar
The Tierijev Compact
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.05.16 19:01:00 -
[283]
Originally by: Smith
Originally by: Jurbil
bla bla bla
You have definately got what it takes to be a member of the Coalition of Family values.
I'm not even sure what that means, but...
NO U!
Die BoB scum, viva la South! Goons 4ever!!11!!!!1
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Oro Sarmasa
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.16 19:03:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Jurbil
Originally by: Smith
Originally by: Jurbil
bla bla bla
You have definately got what it takes to be a member of the Coalition of Family values.
I'm not even sure what that means, but...
NO U!
Die BoB scum, viva la South! Goons 4ever!!11!!!!1
NO... U! 
Someone needs to nerf the "" spam already. That's the equivalent of plugging your ears and singing "la la la"
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.05.17 02:39:00 -
[285]
good to hear, go out there and do what u need to do
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Nonym Ous
Regalis Industria Scientia Entreprendre
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.17 03:23:00 -
[286]
I think a good analogy would be to compare BoB to a minor-league hockey team. Of course they want to win, and of course they play to win, but they are there first and foremost to have fun pew-pewing. Yeah, you have to spend a lot of time sitting on the bench (sitting in a POS/on a gate/etc) but every time you step on the ice, there's the adrenaline rush, the amazing fun, and the thrill of scoring goals (pew-pew bang!) Sure, your ultimate goal is to win the league championship (paint EVE Blue) but it really doesn't matter if you do as long as you have fun. And in the end, there's always another season ahead.
So does BoB want to paint EVE blue? Sure. Can you blame them? No. They are just out to "win". But is it their raison d'Otre? I sincerely doubt it. They, just like everyone else are out to have fun. 0.0 Warfare is their way of having fun, and winning only makes it better.
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Phoebus Athenian
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.19 16:14:00 -
[287]
Edited by: Phoebus Athenian on 19/05/2007 16:14:55
"In reality BoB wants what the Vikings wanted; loot, rape, captive thralls to afford the next expedition."
Maybe in part Vikings wanted that... its what Valhall promises after all. But really, what they wanted is to cleanse their lands of Christians and christian invasion, both militarily and culturally. They succeeded for a while, but christians BLOBED:P
And like them, BOB surely is after those simple pleasures, destroying/conquering raising their ego. But is there something beyond that? I think there is, or should be.
This game is about the players controlling everything, if their goal is to do that, or half of that (Empire) then its not a bad idea. I'd like to see the empire being player-run with all the things that come with it.
And if they can do it, so can the 'opposition'.
Another goal may be to push the game, the rest of the players to try harder, try to reach them, try to beat them even. And by trying alone, improve their status, strategies, and arsenals.
Some people want BOB to just disappear because its "hurting the game", others consider it a needed entity.
I have to agree with the later, a BOB-like entity is needed in any game to give the opposition fuel and maintain a challenge.
Everything in eve is setup in the form of challenges, even in the player-run world. When alliances get too big too powerful and gloatful, BOB and MC keep them in check.
Honestly though I'd rather see 3 or better 4 major forces in the game, to keep politics interesting. Oh and to keep hiring us mercs :P
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Lone Bear
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.19 23:10:00 -
[288]
Edited by: Lone Bear on 19/05/2007 23:13:13
Without an opposing force, or call it "The Alliance" / "The Empire" / "The Evil Side" vs "Coalition of family values" / "The Coalition" / "The Rebels" etc etc who would get any motivations to play? Peace-lovers? "Carebears"? "Industrialists"?
Without at least 2 block facing each others, and fighting each other for whatever reason, all those "clean hands", "hate war love peace" ( ) wouldnt do nothing. Why do you build and sell mods, ships?
Cause peoples lose them, in combat mostly, even if i heard that Guristas were really devastating in those 1.0 space lvl4 agent deadspaces... War brings money, easy to see it in RL, and easier to see here (sorry for the RL comparison, but damn...)
With a constant peace, this huge portion of the EvE population would be bankrupted; although, stacking piles of tritanium and zydrine might be a lot of fun, who knows...
So like it or not, BoB and its allies and, on the other side, RA-D¦-Goon and their allies, make EvE work good.
Now, we all know what would be the political landscape after the final countdown , and those are two opposite conceptions of "politics".
Edit: typos, might have not corrected them all tho 
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xRazoRx
The xDEATHx Squadron
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Posted - 2007.05.20 12:20:00 -
[289]
BoB is so 1337. Im sure they won't lose.
But they will never win :P
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Dashhammer II
Amarr
O RLY corp
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.20 13:58:00 -
[290]
Bob wants what they have never had...
They want to stop being attacked all the time.
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xRazoRx
The xDEATHx Squadron
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Posted - 2007.05.20 14:05:00 -
[291]
Edited by: xRazoRx on 20/05/2007 14:03:20
IMO redswarm & southern friends did nothing special to BoB before they decided to help LV with "the zerg".
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Kryztal
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.20 20:05:00 -
[292]
Originally by: Dashhammer II
Bob wants what they have never had...
They want to stop being attacked all the time.
what have you been smoking ? Been there, done that and ffs dont want it again. 
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Something Random
Gallente
F.S.O.
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Posted - 2007.05.20 21:03:00 -
[293]
I think they're still demanding Shwubewies.
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Fendragun
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.20 21:06:00 -
[294]
been a member of bob for a long time and I know what bob want.
less lag and more phew phew.
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Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.05.21 02:05:00 -
[295]
Originally by: Lone Bear
Edited by: Lone Bear on 19/05/2007 23:13:13
Without an opposing force, or call it "The Alliance" / "The Empire" / "The Evil Side" vs "Coalition of family values" / "The Coalition" / "The Rebels" etc etc who would get any motivations to play? Peace-lovers? "Carebears"? "Industrialists"?
Without at least 2 block facing each others, and fighting each other for whatever reason, all those "clean hands", "hate war love peace" ( ) wouldnt do nothing. Why do you build and sell mods, ships?
Cause peoples lose them, in combat mostly, even if i heard that Guristas were really devastating in those 1.0 space lvl4 agent deadspaces... War brings money, easy to see it in RL, and easier to see here (sorry for the RL comparison, but damn...)
With a constant peace, this huge portion of the EvE population would be bankrupted; although, stacking piles of tritanium and zydrine might be a lot of fun, who knows...
So like it or not, BoB and its allies and, on the other side, RA-D¦-Goon and their allies, make EvE work good.
Now, we all know what would be the political landscape after the final countdown , and those are two opposite conceptions of "politics".
Edit: typos, might have not corrected them all tho
I hate to break it to you but before bob exists in any of the large range of games you play there was fighting and pvp and there will always be fighting and pvp in those games after you are no more as an entity, do not think you are the saviors of eve by trying to take over conquerable space.
Originally by: Stamm
Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
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Valandril
Caldari
Reiketsu.
Hitchhiker's Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.21 05:15:00 -
[296]
Actualy my well informed (and a bit drunk) source told me that theyr plan is:
Caldari, Amarr, Gallente, BoB
:P
Just messing, u all know
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Morela
Gallente
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 05:43:00 -
[297]
Edited by: Morela on 21/05/2007 05:42:50
A Nice Mutton, Lettuce And Tomato Sandwich...
Where The Mutton Is Nice And Lean And The Tomato Is Ripe..
They're so perky. I love that...
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5amm
The Archaeological Squirrel Society
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Posted - 2007.05.21 11:50:00 -
[298]
Does BOB not want what we all want? To expand and be successful at bringing our people to the next level? Well i believe for BOB thats what they are doing. Its a leaders job to take his people where they have not been before, not show them what they already know. Regardless if BOB is despised by most people I talk to, I do believe that any of us would have to say we would probably do the same poo they do in the end. I dont think its that complicated..... So, no uber controversy or backhanded world domination theroys outta me.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.21 12:18:00 -
[299]
ive seen a lot of ppl putting that BOB is trying to rule all of 0.0 and i think there wrong for several reasons
firstly its about game play eventualy BOB if they keep winning will be so out numbered even there skills at pvp will do them no good i mean it seems to me that ppl think just cos a large alliance falls the players disapear they dont.
so eventualy BOB may become victims of there own successes. ie; honking off every non BOB aligned player in the game.
plus ofcourse there gonna pick fights with the largest boys on the block its hardly a challenge for there war machine to go after a 40 man corp or alliance and not much fun either id think.
i think if you look at it from a non predudicial point of view there doin what were all doin only better and with more success a success that will proly eventualy be there downfall.
take into account that they are also pvpers and to rule all of 0.0 would end almost all pvp for them i doubt there objective is to rule eve just to have fun and pvp there just so big and so good they find it hard to get a true challenge
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AvanCade
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 13:29:00 -
[300]
Originally by: Shardrael
Quote:
I hate to break it to you but before bob exists in any of the large range of games you play there was fighting and pvp and there will always be fighting and pvp in those games after you are no more as an entity, do not think you are the saviors of eve by trying to take over conquerable space.
We are not talking about any other game, we are talking about eve. As an entity we are not gone yet, so do not be to presumptious. Also i would learn how to pvp and scout before talking about BoB's level of pvp.
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