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Sabahl Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 13:30:00 - [211] Originally by: Sir MilBanacky Sabhl, You should request this thread be locked because it is so heavily edited by the ISD stormtroopers that no one could tell you what they felt if they wanted to. unless it was to praise your glory Just for once let a BOB thread run.. TBH I am tempted... I don't read the thread for a weekend and come back to find it's derailing itself into a *****-fest about titan killing. NOT what this thread was supposed to be about. If it happens again I will request a lock. Guys, please try to keep it on track here. A lot of the replies have been very informative and interesting and, from the in game mails I have received, I know a lot of people are very interested in seeing what people have to say. And to my own alliance-mates, please let people post their views, positive or negative, without getting in a tizzy. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, no matter how much we may disagree with them, and this thread was supposed to be about finding out what those opinions were. PS Having read the first page before the mods got at it, I too didn't think it really needed to be moderated, but there you go...
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:22:00 - [212] It was said very well by many already - Bob may want Respect, but they will NEVER get it due to their style of play and past cheating. I recognize that they may be the strongest power in Eve, and that they have great players and a strong organization. They do also frequently come up with innovative attacks which yield spectacular success. However, it is obvious that they care nothing for HOW they achieve those goals. As Cases in Point: 1. The past cheating. No one will ever believe that it was 'the actions of one man'. Entire Alliance is forever tainted. 2. The first Titan kill. What should have been the most spectacular Spy success of all time just left the rest of Eve feeling like Bob was an Exploiter. 3. TS Spies. Bob probably has the best Spy Service in all of Eve. I agree it is part of the game, but most players would rather it didn't happen. Using Spies is by definition underhanded and dirty, and Bob's liberal use of spying taints the entire alliance. 4. Bob Pets: Every alliance that Bob 'allys with' is treated as a second-class citizen. The distain that they show for their own 'allies', not to mention their enemies, causes a lack of Respect for Bob. 5. Passive Targeting through POS shields: Item One on a long list of 'borderline exploits' that Bob used. They seen rather profiecient in finding 'undocumented features' which later become Exploits or are fixed by CCP. Honestly, I feel like this type of information was provided to them by their corrupt Dev. Regardeless, Bob finds a ploy, then designs attacks around it until it is banned or fixed. 6. Broken Complexes: Bob had the broken complexes for quite some time, and only when Dark Shinari pointed it out was it fixed. Surely Bob knew they were broken, yet continued to exploit it until it was fixed. Typical behavior, and not behavior that promotes respect. 7. POS Bowling: Another Bob innovation, which while clearly within the present rules is a corruption of the spirit of Eve. Expect them to continue until some fix stops them. 8. Stealing ships in POS's: Past rules, similar to POS Bowling, allowed someone to warp in and hop in a ship before being ejected from the shields. Another example of Bob's below-the-belt playing style. 9. Bob Directors in other alliances: Not content with attempting to build the best Alliance, Bob has been known to infiltrate other Corps/Alliances and direct them down a path that leads them to ruin. Again, its in the game mechanics, but underhanded and against the spirit of the game. 10. Metagaming: A variety of out-of-game events have occurred which rightly or wrongly have been blamed on Bob. Again, the attitude conveyed by Bob is that any means to achieve victory are acceptable. Such activites leave the rest of Eve with a lowered impression of Bob. I could go on, but the point is that Bob's means to their dominance have caused too many people to consider them a 'dirty' alliance. Hence the recent Coalition to destroy them. In my opinion Bob is so heavily tainted by their own actions that they will never get Respect for the things that they have accomplished. This taint can never be cleansed. Even if Bob turned into an honorable, straightforward group overnight, no one will ever believe that they are not cheating. Certainly not me.
Dominixa Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:33:00 - [213] Originally by: Princess Jodi It was said very well by many already - Bob may want Respect, but they will NEVER get it due to their style of play and past cheating. I recognize that they may be the strongest power in Eve, and that they have great players and a strong organization. They do also frequently come up with innovative attacks which yield spectacular success. However, it is obvious that they care nothing for HOW they achieve those goals. As Cases in Point: 1. The past cheating. No one will ever believe that it was 'the actions of one man'. Entire Alliance is forever tainted. 2. The first Titan kill. What should have been the most spectacular Spy success of all time just left the rest of Eve feeling like Bob was an Exploiter. 3. TS Spies. Bob probably has the best Spy Service in all of Eve. I agree it is part of the game, but most players would rather it didn't happen. Using Spies is by definition underhanded and dirty, and Bob's liberal use of spying taints the entire alliance. 4. Bob Pets: Every alliance that Bob 'allys with' is treated as a second-class citizen. The distain that they show for their own 'allies', not to mention their enemies, causes a lack of Respect for Bob. 5. Passive Targeting through POS shields: Item One on a long list of 'borderline exploits' that Bob used. They seen rather profiecient in finding 'undocumented features' which later become Exploits or are fixed by CCP. Honestly, I feel like this type of information was provided to them by their corrupt Dev. Regardeless, Bob finds a ploy, then designs attacks around it until it is banned or fixed. 6. Broken Complexes: Bob had the broken complexes for quite some time, and only when Dark Shinari pointed it out was it fixed. Surely Bob knew they were broken, yet continued to exploit it until it was fixed. Typical behavior, and not behavior that promotes respect. 7. POS Bowling: Another Bob innovation, which while clearly within the present rules is a corruption of the spirit of Eve. Expect them to continue until some fix stops them. 8. Stealing ships in POS's: Past rules, similar to POS Bowling, allowed someone to warp in and hop in a ship before being ejected from the shields. Another example of Bob's below-the-belt playing style. 9. Bob Directors in other alliances: Not content with attempting to build the best Alliance, Bob has been known to infiltrate other Corps/Alliances and direct them down a path that leads them to ruin. Again, its in the game mechanics, but underhanded and against the spirit of the game. 10. Metagaming: A variety of out-of-game events have occurred which rightly or wrongly have been blamed on Bob. Again, the attitude conveyed by Bob is that any means to achieve victory are acceptable. Such activites leave the rest of Eve with a lowered impression of Bob. I could go on, but the point is that Bob's means to their dominance have caused too many people to consider them a 'dirty' alliance. Hence the recent Coalition to destroy them. In my opinion Bob is so heavily tainted by their own actions that they will never get Respect for the things that they have accomplished. This taint can never be cleansed. Even if Bob turned into an honorable, straightforward group overnight, no one will ever believe that they are not cheating. Certainly not me. Your quite wrong on many points. Point #4 Bob Pets as you so call them are no different than the Northern Entities who rely on Dusk and Dawn, except Bob actually has your back when you need it. You can say they don't treat us well, but how would you know? If being a partner in dealing pain to enemies is being treated badly, then so be it. Point #7 POS bowling is nothing new, Just ask Ign0ramous from the Establishment about that :) He nearly bumped a chimera out of one of our towers many months before people say "BOB" Invented it.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:43:00 - [214] Originally by: Princess Jodi ... This taint can never be cleansed. Even if Bob turned into an honorable, straightforward group overnight, no one will ever believe that they are not cheating. Certainly not me. Who gives a **** what you think. Certainly not I or any other BoB member. And the things that you say taint BoB legacy, all of it and much, much more has been done by other alliances that you are aligned to, but you donÆt seem to be bothered by that, now are you? People that live in glass houses should not be throwing stones, Mr. Hypocrite. The truth will set you free
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:44:00 - [215] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Princess Jodi ... This taint can never be cleansed. Even if Bob turned into an honorable, straightforward group overnight, no one will ever believe that they are not cheating. Certainly not me. Who gives a **** what you think. Certainly not I or any other BoB member. And the things that you say taint BoB legacy, all of it and much, much more has been done by other alliances that you are aligned to, but you donÆt seem to be bothered by that, now are you? People that live in glass houses should not be throwing stones, Mr. Hypocrite. LOL. If you didn't care you wouldn't lash out like that signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected])
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:48:00 - [216] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Princess Jodi ... This taint can never be cleansed. Even if Bob turned into an honorable, straightforward group overnight, no one will ever believe that they are not cheating. Certainly not me. Who gives a **** what you think. Certainly not I or any other BoB member. And the things that you say taint BoB legacy, all of it and much, much more has been done by other alliances that you are aligned to, but you donÆt seem to be bothered by that, now are you? People that live in glass houses should not be throwing stones, Mr. Hypocrite. LOL. If you didn't care you wouldn't lash out like that No, I just like picking on little bitter tools like yourself. I'm just a cheating evil scumbag and loving it. The truth will set you free
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:58:00 - [217] Yup, I sure hit a nerve there. Which entirely validated everything I said. You want Respect so bad, you try to validate your actions. I never said Bob 'invented' POS bowling. I just said that, as is typical of Bob, they find a borderline tactic and use it without concern over how savory it is.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.14 16:03:00 - [218] On another note: Bob is the one alliance in the game with the true infrasructure and leadership to be able to ACTIVELY CHOOSE NOT TO USE underhanded tactics and still be successful. Yet they seem to push the limits of 'legal' as much as they can. Now how can I respect someone who has the ability to beat me fair and square, yet still looks for a way to cut my feet out from under me instead?
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.14 16:04:00 - [219] To the OP: BoB want to look stupid. They have consistantly provided evidence for this hypothesis on these very forums. It's a strange goal, but who am I to judge. Come on, why else would Mental Dude be out of his straight jacket? ----------------- OMG! SiGnAtUrE gO mEnTaLz
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 16:14:00 - [220] Originally by: Plim To the OP: BoB want to look stupid. They have consistantly provided evidence for this hypothesis on these very forums. It's a strange goal, but who am I to judge. Come on, why else would Mental Dude be out of his straight jacket? Where have you been, Limp? CELES still has no balls to come fight evil BoB even with the rest of EVE on your side? What a surprise. Oh, and how's Fountain these days? The truth will set you free

Karim alRashid Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.14 16:29:00 - [221] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Plim To the OP: BoB want to look stupid. They have consistantly provided evidence for this hypothesis on these very forums. It's a strange goal, but who am I to judge. Come on, why else would Mental Dude be out of his straight jacket? Where have you been, Limp? CELES still has no balls to come fight evil BoB even with the rest of EVE on your side? What a surprise. Oh, and how's Fountain these days? Did you know you must be 13 years of age or older to use this site ?
Ribbo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 16:36:00 - [222] Originally by: Karim alRashid Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Plim To the OP: BoB want to look stupid. They have consistantly provided evidence for this hypothesis on these very forums. It's a strange goal, but who am I to judge. Come on, why else would Mental Dude be out of his straight jacket? Where have you been, Limp? CELES still has no balls to come fight evil BoB even with the rest of EVE on your side? What a surprise. Oh, and how's Fountain these days? Did you know you must be 13 years of age or older to use this site ? wondered why i dont see many goons on here. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) - fanboi'ing eve-celebrities the world over.
Oosel Nightmare Holdings Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 16:47:00 - [223] bob doesnt want anything as it just takes what it needs having watched them steamroller everything over the years.....they slowly but surely grind you down until most people get into the 'if you cant beat them join them' thinking. how many of bobs past biggest enemies are now in bob there's loads...... you have to have dedication to even stay in bob and for most people me included i dont think i could put the effort thats needed to keep them where they are in the grand scheme of things and its only a matter of time b4 they do own the map..... at that point there wont be half as many players as there is now and no doubt bob will be penalised for their hard work just to entice players back who have just said sack this im tired of fighting
StarLite Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:02:00 - [224] BoB is in eve to make the tinfoil hat sales go waaayyy up. /me pets his tinfoil hat stocks ;) _______________________________________________________________________ This sig is guarded by SigGuard(c)
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:41:00 - [225] Originally by: StarLite BoB is in eve to make the tinfoil hat sales go waaayyy up. /me pets his tinfoil hat stocks ;) No, no. What you mean, is to make CCP's sales go way down. Most people don't want to play a game with cheating devs. To Mental Dude. I don't care what Fountain looks like mate. Does it look like a spoon? I don't really play the game properly anymore, it's a joke now. Soon people will have so many capital ships, they will merge into one giant robot that can throw roids around and we will be playing Power Rangers Ten Pin Bowling OnlineÖ ----------------- OMG! SiGnAtUrE gO mEnTaLz
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:14:00 - [226] It's called Transformers ¬
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:18:00 - [227] Originally by: Lone Bear It's called Transformers ¬ The spin off was better. Transvestites, men in disguise. ----------------- OMG! SiGnAtUrE gO mEnTaLz
Xarax Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:19:00 - [228] Originally by: StarLite BoB is in eve to make the tinfoil hat sales go waaayyy up. /me pets his tinfoil hat stocks ;) Your stock it obsolete. We just got the T2 bpo yesterday. We will be rich beyond our wildest dreams!!!!! _______
nickycakes Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:29:00 - [229] Originally by: Xarax Your stock it obsolete. We just spawned the T2 bpo yesterday. We will be rich beyond our wildest dreams!!!!! fixed
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:37:00 - [230] Originally by: Plim Originally by: Lone Bear It's called Transformers ¬ The spin off was better. Transvestites, men in disguise. I wouldnt know about it, so I'll let your experience speak.

Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:38:00 - [231] Originally by: Lone Bear Originally by: Plim Originally by: Lone Bear It's called Transformers ¬ The spin off was better. Transvestites, men in disguise. I wouldnt know about it, so I'll let your experience speak. I spend alot of time talking to Kinsy. ----------------- OMG! SiGnAtUrE gO mEnTaLz
Krasnij Okjabre Caldari FIRMA	Posted - 2007.05.14 20:35:00 - [232] I think the debate about what BoB do or don't want is almost irrelevant. If their true desire is to control all of 0.0 I am sure they will go all out to achieve that goal.Whether they can/will remains to be seen. Despite somewhat nefarious tactics that they appear to have employed in the past (though someone did rightly state that 'all is fair in love and war'), no one can deny the fact they are exceptionally well organised, highly disciplined as a group and consequently not to be taken lightly. I think Welsh Wizard summed it up perfectly by saying that if people wanted rid of BoB, maybe it should have been done long ago. However, this does make me wonder what will happen if they do 'win Eve'... I can only imagine people will drift off to do other things and maybe BoB as an alliance would fragment. Even if this did happen they would leave an indelible mark on the history of the game and perhaps as a result gain a form of 'immortality'. Perhaps that is the goal, if so they are well on the way. I should also state here that I have no personal feelings toward BoB as an entity in any way shape or form, and the opinions I state here are merely a personal obeservation. Interesting topic though (for a change). Light is faster than sound... this is why some people appear bright until you speak to them...
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.14 20:56:00 - [233] Originally by: Metal Dude I'm just a cheating evil scumbag and loving it. If only your HC was as honest Sig removed...coz like, you know sometimes I pirate...no, not pirating..err defending the gurista..yes that's the one
crudhunch Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:00:00 - [234] I like this topic. A lot of people keep saying it is respect but I donÆt entirely believe that. A part of it is respect IÆm sure. But they know they will never be given the respect of the more mature players with their style of play but that is fine by them. I believe that the younger members of the EVE community do give BOB a lot of respect for their ability to defend themselves, and remove enemies alliances extremely well. While everyone in EVE must agree that they are the best at this, a portion of the community will enjoy and encourage their tactics and give them the respect they desire. However, a larger (just my opinion) portion will never be able to respect their abilities and will always believe all of their accomplishments are tainted and therefore not deserving of any respect. I personally donÆt respect BOB ability to defeat their enemies at all, but will admit they get the job done better than anyone else. That IÆm sure is all they want from me, and they do not really care that I have no respect for them. Another thing that I think lends itself to this lack of respect is jealousy, and frustration. BOB loves this. They like seeing it in their enemies. They thrive off of the frustration of their opponents. I thought the gentlemanÆs post about the energy was very good. But, many of the members of the EVE community that BOB will never get the respect from are those that are IMO older more mature players who look down upon the ideas that crossing all lines, and doing what ever it takes no matter how shady to achieve your goals. On top of this many of these players are probably people with real lives, and real responsibilities, who do not have the time to invest to achieve what BOB has in a clean and respectable way. This leads to frustration in knowing they can never win EVE, and the typical member of BOB with their typical arrogance doesnÆt help that. While I donÆt believe that any members of BOB will ever expect to receive any respect from the EVE community I do believe they do take a lot of pride in their alliance, and one of the things they strive for and enjoy is carrying that alliance tag on their ships. I believe they believe that to carry that tag comes with extremely high expectations, and a very large responsibility. This pride IÆm sure fulfils a big feeling of accomplishment in itself. I believe that BOB members want to continue to set goals and to reach them. They have set their long term goals of taking all of 0.0, and they have stated that they will seek out and remove all enemies from the game. I know they do seek out many old enemies and make it a personal goal to harass them to the point that they start new toons. These are their long term goals, but not what I believe they really thrive off of. IÆm sure for the most part like all of us they thrive off of accomplishing shorter term goals. Stuff like the 90 day post. The phases that they have implemented to win EVE. [TOS]Recruitment Page
Morela Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:04:00 - [235] Edited by: Morela on 15/05/2007 02:02:34 Every second you waste posting in here.. An Battlegroup just slipped past your front lines.. :)
Biosman ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:41:00 - [236] Originally by: nickycakes Originally by: Xarax Your stock it obsolete. We just spawned the T2 bpo yesterday. We will be rich beyond our wildest dreams!!!!! fixed By that remark you are taking the p* out of every hard working Eve-Onliner,none of you really give a s* do you? Have you forgotten the 100 page thread about all that cheating stuff which keiron quickly moved out of the light of day cause I haven't,and by some of these replies neither has anyone else.It just proves you think it's all a big joke.
Dracolich North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:42:00 - [237] I think that BoB wants to play Eve as it was intended to be played from an PVP aspect. In this process they just strive to be the best they can be. Personally I think what CCP wants and what BoB wants go hand in hand. Without BoB, there wouldn't be any drive within major tactical warfare. BoB are the "unknown" x-factor, that makes fortification of 0.0 space unpredictable. I think that their "plan" with conquoring space, and let pro-BoB alliances move in and pay rent, and let them defend the space, is absolutely genious. When I say BoB, I am refering to the main ball players within the Alliance. I think there are quite a few of those, since the organization of BoB is well structured. My suggested keyplayers(but I am surely in the dark, so its mere guesswork): TWD(Strategy) Galvert(Organizational implantation) SirMolle(The hammer in decisions) Dianabolic(Diplomacy) Blacklight(Mascot) _____________________________________
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.15 03:22:00 - [238] 8 pages on such an obvious answer. Bob wants to keep ******* with you.... GG, only took yas 6 months
Sujin Kai Starship Direct	Posted - 2007.05.15 03:37:00 - [239] Originally by: Metal Dude And the things that you say taint BoB legacy, all of it and much, much more has been done by other alliances that you are aligned to... That is a god damned lie. BoB was caught receiving T2 BPOs from a cheating developer. Nothing you can ever say or do will erase that from history.
Ket Halpak ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 03:38:00 - [240] Edited by: Ket Halpak on 15/05/2007 03:37:37 Edit: Removed quote to deleted post. Now where did I put my shiny new t2 tin foil hat? Anyway, to the OP, my answer is simple, they want what everyone who plays eve wants, to have fun. Everyone has their own way to have fun in eve, and BoB's is pew-pew on a large scale. _ Check out my blog at RantingsofaCarebear.blogspot.com Privateers: Those who don't adapt become victims of harsh irony



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