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Sabahl Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.11 09:56:00 - [1] I had an interesting conversation thrown at me yesterday. An alt representing a disillusioned member of one of our competitor alliances convoed me and asked a question that left me a tad floored. He was unimpressed by what he perceived as the lies and propaganda which had been fed to him from his senior directors and wanted to know what we were actually about. What exactly is it that BoB want in the game? I won't put my thoughts down here, because I want everyone who is NOT in BoB to come back with a reply and tell the rest of the world what they have been told to believe. What do YOU think the raison d'etre is for what most people believe to be the strongest alliance in the game? Feel free to use your non-alliance alts to post. Alliance directors need not respond as its your own (mis?)information that we're polling, here.
Laythun Black Lance	Posted - 2007.05.11 09:58:00 - [2] umm flamebait? Black Lance Brother
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.11 09:58:00 - [3] BoB members just want attention, cause we all know they aren't getting any at home. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Ace Frehley Minmatar Fist of the Empire	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:00:00 - [4] (music wannabe by spice girls) Yo, I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want, So tell me what you want, what you really really want, I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want, So tell me what you want, what you really really want, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really really really wanna zigazig ha. If you want my future forget my past, If you wanna get with me better make it fast, Now don't go wasting my precious time, Get your act together we could be just fine I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want, So tell me what you want, what you really really want, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really really really wanna zigazig ha. If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends, Make it last forever friendship never ends, If you wanna be my lover, you have got to give, Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is. What do you think about that now you know how I feel, Say you can handle my love are you for real, I won't be hasty, I'll give you a try If you really bug me then I'll say goodbye. Yo I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want, So tell me what you want, what you really really want, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really really really wanna zigazig ha. If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends, Make it last forever friendship never ends, If you wanna be my lover, you have got to give, Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is. So here's a story from A to Z, you wanna get with me you gotta listen carefully, We got Em in the place who likes it in your face, we got G like MC who likes it on an Easy V doesn't come for free, she's a real lady, and as for me..ah you'll see, Slam your body down and wind it all around Slam your body down and wind it all around. If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends, Make it last forever friendship never ends, If you wanna be my lover, you have got to give, Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is. If you wanna be my lover, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, slam, slam, slam, slam Slam your body down and wind it all around. Slam your body down and wind it all around. Slam your body down and wind it all around. Slam your body down zigazig ah If you wanna be my lover. Enjoy Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes Do you need fisting? Convo me and I help you with your need
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu BoB members just want attention, cause we all know they aren't getting any at home. Meanie, you :D
Sabahl Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:02:00 - [6] Originally by: Laythun umm flamebait? Probably. I was kind of hoping that we may get some reasoned responses though. I'm guessing that if you cut through the swathes of fanboys and flag waving loonies and you will find quite a few confused people who have some very strange ideas as to what it's all about, and it's those people to whom I address this thread. If I get two or three reasonable responses I will consider this to be a success. I am not going to hold my breath.
w0rmy Pringles Inc. YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:03:00 - [7] To be regarded as the best players to ever have played the game. Unfortunately recent scandals will mean they will never be that in anyones eyes except their own. Id have a sig, but you guys keep growling me for them
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:04:00 - [8] Edited by: Noluck Ned on 11/05/2007 10:02:00 Originally by: Ace Frehley (music wannabe by spice girls) Dear God Ace, please please tell me you copied and pasted that from somewhere. Edit: cept the freestyle ad-lib bit in the middle, I almost liked that F4T4L Recruitment
Lea Redux moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:04:00 - [9] Actually this could turn out to be an interesting thread. As to the op: A challenge, to be overcome by a concerted effort utilizing all facets of the game. Doesnt sound bad, but unfortunately lead to "win by any means". Oh, and DICE are in it for the smack.
Angor The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:05:00 - [10] Bob want pew pew, bob get pew pew. Credit for posting with your main. _______________________________ Who the f*k stole my sig...

w0rmy Pringles Inc. YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Noluck Ned Originally by: Ace Frehley (music wannabe by spice girls) Dear God Ace, please please tell me you copied and pasted that from somewhere. His memory! Id have a sig, but you guys keep growling me for them
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu BoB members just want attention, cause we all know they aren't getting any at home. Seems you've been dropped on your head multiple times. It's ok, not your fault.
Kjurai Deutsche Minen und Werke Guardian Federation	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:06:00 - [13] I'm not directly involved in the current conflict, more like standing on the side and trying to harass your supporters in any way possible (ingame, of course). I got the impression that you as corporations and as an alliance seek challenges and have your fun while overcoming them. Who would not, seriously. It's a game after all, regardless of all the smack and drama from both sides. Regards, Kjurai
Stoned Celt Bloodnok Technologies	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:06:00 - [14] I was told that BoB eat babies and would do unspeakable things to our domestic animals and sheep. Astarte you're pathetic btw..
Ace Frehley Minmatar Fist of the Empire	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Noluck Ned Edited by: Noluck Ned on 11/05/2007 10:02:00 Originally by: Ace Frehley (music wannabe by spice girls) Dear God Ace, please please tell me you copied and pasted that from somewhere. Edit: cept the freestyle ad-lib bit in the middle, I almost liked that Sorry, can¦t tell you that info, many alts died for that lyric gettin posted here Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes Do you need fisting? Convo me and I help you with your need
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:07:00 - [16] You know that our impressions of what you guys are after is not fed to us by our leadership. That comes right from the mouths, or fingers, as it were, of your leadership on these forums. A lot of it is just a show, but from time to time, the truth slips out, and is backed up by the way you guys "play" the game. So, to answer your question - you guys want to see Joshua's Map with one solid color encompassing all of 0.0, and there is no shady or outright exploitative use of game mechanics you guys won't use to try and make that happen. Exploitative in this case, is defined by common sense and what we know to be the spirit of the game, not the high-on-drugs CCP definition. _________________________________________________________
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:10:00 - [17] I have been told bob increases global warming due to flamebaits like this post. - Gob
Kesslan Osefice Panther's Paw Industries Ltd	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:11:00 - [18] The version I've repeatedly heard, ultimately is just that BOB wants to control all of 0.0. A goal I'd think is overly ambitious but then... it certainly cant be denied that ultimately they control a great deal of teritory. The real question then, would be can A) They actually take it all then B) Hang onto it. Honestly in the end I feel the answer is no. 0.0 is just to damn big. But eh, it makes life interesting
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:12:00 - [19] A challenge. /me wishes I wasn't to lazy to log into alt account. COAD posting, forgive me lord. -------------
Laythun Black Lance	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:12:00 - [20] Actually i'll humour you. From this war i wanted some fun , some fleet warfare, and some jokes. Ive had 2 but the jokes is missing. I also didnt actaully want to see BOB die or anything, cos well what would a game be without an evil empire bad guy? and what would the game be without goodie goodie europeans The main reason im not particcipating is cos its just not fun. when i was in MC space that was fun, we dint win, but it was fun. In esoteria we dint win but it was fun...now though..it just seems stale. boring..tiresome.. Battles are won at the planning stage..and well thats great and all good, but yaknow..its boring. Black Lance Brother

Sarafi The 2nd Coming	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:16:00 - [21] I think bob wants to win but don't care how they get there or if it's a challenge because they'll be "winners" and that's all that matters.
Zirator Times of Ancar THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:19:00 - [22] BoB wants to win EVE ( IE claim all of 0.0 ) at all cost. And try to accomplish this by using all options available to them. Some of these options however are frowned uppon by a lot of the "regular" EVE players. But other large entities make use of these options as well. BoB just seems to be better at it. And if you wonder options I'm talking about just take a look at the recent E-drama's BoB was involved the last year or so
w0rmy Pringles Inc. YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Zirator But other large entities make use of these options as well. BoB just seems to be better at it. LOL they got caught, so I wouldnt exactly say theyre better at it Id have a sig, but you guys keep growling me for them
Achaiah Black Bag Ops	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:24:00 - [24] As I view it, BoB wants to NAP all 0.0 space by installing alliances friendly to them. That is their end game. When that is done, they have achieved what they set out to do. Considering that BoB is the strongest alliance, without a doubt the best at capital warfare, plus Eve’s endless supply of alliances that want to be on the strongest side so they don’t have to struggle to survive, it is quite possible that they will succeed. BoB is not about a good fight, or a challenge or fighting enemies stronger or equal. They want to fight those who are weaker (like most others in Eve) and if they are in a situation where they face tough opponents, then smart politics and new allies are used to turn the situation around. There is nothing wrong with that really. When your alliance dogma states that you must kill your opponent to avoid being a failure, you simply have to see to it that you don’t freely walk into a fight where you can be beaten.
doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:24:00 - [25] I think bob wants to have my babies. Admit it
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:31:00 - [26] Originally by: Sabahl What exactly is it that BoB want in the game? Seems somewhat obvious, since you don't seem to be asking for short or long term tactical goals. Bob players are after challenging things while feeling they are among the top dogs of the game. -Lasse thanks for daring to post with the main char
Rasterman Ganja GanjaCorp Security Services	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:33:00 - [27] Attention. They wouldn't raise a royal stink about everything they do and couch it in such propaganda-like tones if they didn't want attention. They want to capture all of 0.0 because they hope that the whole EVE universe will come crawling to them and give them the attention they crave, bowing and scraping and rejoicing at their mighty victory of pewpew over all the universe. Reality though, is that they'll be doing a lot of self-backslapping, alt posting about how great they are, and receiving oral attention from their puppets when it's over. They've sealed their fate in the PR department long ago via their many scandals and perfidous behaviour. When it's all over and the shouting is done, it'll be hollow because the rest of the universe (what little is still playing the game) will be going "big deal"... ...and those of us whose mantra is "BoB who?" will still be living it up in Empire.
Langoss	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:34:00 - [28] They want to play Pirates of the Burning Sea. So they have to win in month.
6Bagheera9 Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:35:00 - [29] Originally by: Angor Bob want pew pew, bob get pew pew. Credit for posting with your main. Its what we all want really, kinda sad that you're the only one so far to state what has always been blatantly obvious. Stupid tinfoil hatters are always freaking out over how BoB is taking over all of EvE. PvPers are like *****heads and taking over EvE would amount to killing the all dealers and smoking the last rock. Within a week they would freak out and off themselves. I saw something like this happen in Fountain just after Christmas, it got really ugly...
Inosin Caldari Stardust Heavy Industries Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:40:00 - [30] Edited by: Inosin on 11/05/2007 10:38:30 I think Bob (and the players within) wants the same like every Eve-player. Read once some Scientific things about. As i remember Mmorg players look for a clear and structured Way and clear rules to achive something ecspecialy if such clear way is missing in Rl. Mmorgs are more often played by kind of depressive people looking for friendship and respect, others prefer things like Counterstrike in the online world in order to dominate others easily. I think if you play an online game you look more or less (depends of your charakter)for teamplay/grouplay, achivements within the game as singleperson or as group, virtual might, respect of others , competition with- or domination of others with skill or better assets. Think that is what bob looking for like all player of eve. Maybe they are more after the Might&Respect thing. They want Might and Ground to live orterwise they would not eridicate possible competitors or spent that much effort in spys, politics and such things. And Bob wants respect otherwise they would not post things like the "90 days see what we have done" thread these days. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed sized of 24000 bytes - Sahwoolo Etoophie

Liora Vahan Gallente Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:41:00 - [31] Originally by: Heikki Bob players are after challenging things while feeling they are among the top dogs of the game. Isn't that what eve is about. The people who play this game for the production/corporate side of the game aim to be the best in the business. Those of us who pewpew simply wish to have awesome pewpew and be considered as the best pvpers. TBH I think most of BoB would hate the game and split off if BoB became too powerful, there'd be no fun in it anymore. A legend in my own mind
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:43:00 - [32] Edited by: Plutoinum on 11/05/2007 10:40:25 Playing in a 'pro' team is fun. Being successful is fun. Many players in games like to play that way. It's not eve specific. You'll find that even in WoW in the top guilds. Their members consider eachother friends, but nevertheless they are ambitious and have e.g. no-slacker / no-stupidity rules. It's really about being ambitious and being able to achieve great goals with the right people. BoB is just one of the places, where such people meet, I guess. Such people usually meet in top corps and/or top alliances. It already starts with people being afraid about 'nubs' in their rows damaging their corps or alliances reputation or stuff like 'We don't fly with them, they are nubs !' Nubs not meaning low skillpoints, but people, who play stupid. Guess every eve pvp'er has heard such things once already. I'd compare it to sports. Some people enjoy sports more, if they are in a team that tries and is able to achieve something. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:44:00 - [33] isnt this where you usualy use an alt? Your signature <----- My awsome Sig Real men PVP on the Forums.
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:47:00 - [34] BoB wants to control most, or best all of eve. Either directly, or indirectly. BoB are like the Borg. Anti-diversity, non individualist, no fun, hard to beat. BoB is self destructive. If BoB should succeed, EVE will loose most of its appeal. It will be a boring, dull place for all. Including BoB themselves. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
Angor The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:47:00 - [35] Originally by: Voculus You know that our impressions of what you guys are after is not fed to us by our leadership. That comes right from the mouths, or fingers, as it were, of your leadership on these forums. A lot of it is just a show, but from time to time, the truth slips out, and is backed up by the way you guys "play" the game. So, to answer your question - you guys want to see Joshua's Map with one solid color encompassing all of 0.0, and there is no shady or outright exploitative use of game mechanics you guys won't use to try and make that happen. Exploitative in this case, is defined by common sense and what we know to be the spirit of the game, not the high-on-drugs CCP definition. Thats not true... if all of 0.0 was Bob blue, bob players would get bored, leave bob and form another alliance to fight bob. In my understanding the exact thing bob doesnt want is a galaxy wide napfest. The guys in the coalition are playing into bobs every whim, they want pew pew... they want challenges and most of all they want fun... and everybody hating bob, napping against them is exactly what they want. _______________________________ Who the f*k stole my sig...
Shaemell Buttleson Darwin With Attitude RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 10:52:00 - [36] Does it really matter what BOB want? BOB will do what they want when they want, or die trying just like anyone else worth their salt in the game. Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why (don't forget to include a link to it) -Sahwoolo
Asylum Seaker Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:08:00 - [37] I don't know what BoB wants, but presumably its not blatant and indiscriminate destruction of all order in the galaxy or they'd stop being such a stabalising force. Thus, I am put against them, as I am against all things Kill kill kill kill kill! The universe is hostile, so impersonal, devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:10:00 - [38] Post with your alt! Oh, wait... Sorry, couldn't resist that little joke. Anyway! I think BoB wants us all dead because that is what SirMolle said, that we are all dead. So now you must kill us all or else you are proved to be liars Besides that I think BoB wants to win against as many people as possible, focussing heavily on large scale warfare and pos war. The more the map shows their colour, the better they like it I think.
Lunas Feelgood Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:12:00 - [39] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu BoB members just want attention, cause we all know they aren't getting any at home. Originally by: Shamis Orzoz When the going gets tough...the tough join Bob. Originally by: Shin Ra Didn't u get the memo? Bending over is the new honorable thing to do!
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:17:00 - [40] Edited by: Laboratus on 11/05/2007 11:14:41 Have Fun? Fight against challenging opponents? Strengthen their positions? The same thing everyone wants. The reason why ppl oppose bob the same reason why ppl say playing with bob is playing eve on easy mode. You have enough skilled pilots at all times to form a good competent fleet, supported by a good economical structure, lead by motivated fleet commanders. That creates optimal conditions for fun game time. You don't have to create and run an alliance, gather ppl, teach them tactics and strategy, run an economy, manage stations and corporations, pos networks, handle contacts with residents and general diplomacy, co-ordinate economy, do endless hours of territory control, or do any of that actual stuff that smells like real work, that you have to do, if you want to run your own terretorial alliance. This is why every time an alliance with a competent pvp crew disbands, quite a few of them end up somewhere, where someone else is taking all the **** for them, and they can enjoy the best of eve. Yes, you are expected to perform better than the average player. However, you do have a lot more time to perfect yourself... This leads to motivated, skilled and efficient fleets. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats

Frances Ducoir Academy of Decadence	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:17:00 - [41] i believe bobs real powers are "social engineering". turn your enemies against each other. what do they want to accomplish? i don't believe they want to conquer whole 0.0 cause then all the fun would be over. they just want to keep all possible enemies weak enough so they can't be a real threat for bob but are just strong enough to "play" with - let them build up some stuff and then destroy em. this is what the mean older children do with the younger ones at beaches: guess who is bob rinse&repeat till enemies are bored to hell and back.
atrophocy SNM Airlines ASGARDIAN EMPIRE	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:22:00 - [42] Edited by: atrophocy on 11/05/2007 11:18:57 all this talk about BoB wanting to control the entirety of 0.0, well what happens when that's complete? it's gonna be pretty damn boring when you control everything. no pewpew. no blue flashes and big explosions. no fun. Edit: poster above beat me to it.
Oesophagus	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:23:00 - [43] maybe bob wants more free time, away from creating new content, hunt bugs etc etc
Ivo D Minmatar 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:23:00 - [44] i think it's time bob disbanded, already ! nerf gheyllente.
atrophocy SNM Airlines ASGARDIAN EMPIRE	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:32:00 - [45] Edited by: atrophocy on 11/05/2007 11:28:15 Originally by: Ivo D i think it's time bob disbanded, already ! that would be the day outbreak stops camping doril and lets me bring my iteron's through in peace. maybe
MaxSkywalker x13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:34:00 - [46] Its all about the government cheese! - I live of government cheese!
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:34:00 - [47] The main impression that I have gotten from BOB now is that they are very, very boring.
Fuglife Aliastra	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:36:00 - [48] Look ma! im in a noob corp! I know Welsh Wizard! 3rd Best pvper in Eve
Leigh Edser NQX Logistics	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:37:00 - [49] Edited by: Leigh Edser on 11/05/2007 11:36:40 I honestly believe that BoB want tribbles. This whole taking over the galaxy thing is a front for tribble breeding. I mean - look what they did to Captain Kirk ... Kirk is hawt! They've already started infiltrating most of the low-sec stations with tribbles while everyone is watching how the war pans out. At the climax of the war the tribbles will have reached breeding age and a tribble population boom will occur catching everyone off guard. At this point we will be powerless. I don't even think BoB are aware of the terror they've unleashed. Why BoB?! OH WHY!?
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:41:00 - [50] I think what they want is the journey more than the destination. They set themselves a "reach for the sky" type goal and they're having fun doing their best to pull it off. Overcoming challenges, accomplishing stuff, being successful etc Too bad they can't do it and still keep their attitude under control (like 0utbreak f.i. do) http://eve.klaki.net/


Scyd Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:43:00 - [51] Cleaned up Please stay on topic, and do not flaim in CAOD. -Scyd \|Forum Rules \| CAOD Rules \| CRC Website \| [email protected] \|

Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:47:00 - [52] I don't know but here is 3 answers: 1) BOB wants to destroy and dominate any alliance that controls 0.0 space and does not pay homage to them (Given their past successes and staggering amount of pets they have installed who can argue that they won't succeed?) 2) BOB wants to actually control the entire area of 0.0, thereby quite literally winning eve and may then break up. 3) Exactly as per (2) but then BOB wants ccp to offer them the opportunity to take on a faction i.e BOB v The Caldari State (I understand that you guys already have a few alts in the caldari navy and have their ts details).
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:50:00 - [53] Does it really matter what you want? I'd rather like to know what you're gonna do when noone will fight you anymore. signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected])
iudex Caldari Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:51:00 - [54] What do BoB want here ? I'm going to reveal something that only few will understand and hope i can explain it with my limited english (it's my 3rd language, i'm sorry): What BoB want in this game is life energy. Wherever there is competition between people, may it be the olympic games, may it be a game like EvE (as soon people take it serious enough), people are investing mental energy, don't know how to describe it exaclty, it's like a life fluid generated by your 4-dimensional being (occultists will know what i mean). And this is what happens: The side who wins the competition take a part of their enemies energy (the part that the enemy "invested"). You can see signs of it when you see how much the victim is "down" (the more energy he invested to more "down" he will be), while the winner has this new energys and feels "good". In soccer world championship you saw this very clearly affecting whole nations, but it does not matter what game it is, as long you have people investing energy (it must be important to them). And this is what happens here: BoB beats their enemies regularly and seems like they are quite effective in this, so they take a lot of this spiritual energy from their enemies. What they do with this energy i don't know. Most of them will maybe not be aware of the esoteric background and will just "feel good/mighty", others might use it for occult operation or whatever. So at the end it's that constant flow of your enemies energy, which makes all that effort in this game being "worth it".
Silvestri Minmatar FIRMA	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:55:00 - [55] I played a different game once and was part of the team that was on top. Most power, won all the wars....after a while it got stale. Even for us it got boring fast so we broke up to keep the game going. I dont' know what BoB want. If it's respect they got it so I don't think it's that. Even the ones that don't like them respect there power. I actually wonder how long it will take for even BoB to just get bored and start breaking up....they're will always be something bigger to come along. People wonder why the coalition needs so many members for this war. You need it to fight the skill levels of BoB. Most of there players are from 2004 or 2003. Hence the pvp skillz. Only way to beat the best is to blob the best. But the game design doesn't support blob...yet. One reason BoB comes out on top is the 'coalition' isn't striking together. They should have helped D2 but didn't. Maybe the LV war took more out of RA/Goons then I thought...maybe they're rebuilding ships and beefing up. Either way, if they don't start working on all 8 cyclinders together...BoB runs over em one by one....unfortunately. Then BoB will truly get bored and disband being the greatest alliance in Eve's forever history...
Leigh Edser NQX Logistics	Posted - 2007.05.11 12:00:00 - [56] People - enough of this soul searching and speculative efforts in an attempt to find an answer ... It's tribbles. For goodness sake! Act now before the tribbles kill us all!
Teron D'Amun The Burning Orphans Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.11 12:04:00 - [57] Edited by: Teron D''Amun on 11/05/2007 12:03:49 Originally by: Sabahl What do YOU think the raison d'etre is for what most people believe to be the strongest alliance in the game? I heard your goal was to overthrow the Amarrian Empire and install Molle as the new Emperor Shaddam V but people keep mistaking your awesome RP'ing as lust to conquer all of Eve.
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2007.05.11 12:07:00 - [58] Edited by: Jacque Custeau on 11/05/2007 12:08:10 The answer to Sabahl's question, imo is two fold. I think BoB are interested 'OOC' in having fun. In the context of EvE though, this war is about capturing as much territory as possible before Kali 2 is deployed and we see Constellation Sovereignty enter the game. It will make taking territory far more complicated than it is now. We saw the same thing happen before the patch that removed station ping-pong (making it necessary to hold Sov) introduced. Finally, smack talk, hatred and a desire for revenge are also good motivators when the time is right. PS> I also feel like there is a need to make maximum usage of all super-cap ships now before CCP makes adjustments or introduces new countermeasures (I see that as inevitable now). CCP will get around to it eventually ------------------- 09:F9:11:02:9D:74:E3:5B:D8:41:56:C5:63:56:88:C0
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.11 12:12:00 - [59] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Please do not derail a thread, stay on topic -Scyd ([email protected]) Forum **'s ftw heh? So if the OP asks what do we consider to be the main reason of existance for BoB, I reply (with my main I might add) that I believe it to be the need for attention that's the main reason of existance for BoB, and suddenly I'm derailing the thread? What corp is your main in Scyd, Evolution? Originally by:** Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
w0rmy Pringles Inc. YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.11 12:23:00 - [60] Edited by: w0rmy on 11/05/2007 12:22:07 Originally by: Leigh Edser It's tribbles. For goodness sake! Act now before the tribbles kill us all! Thats why they want to own all the titans, so no one can DD all the tribbles Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Please do not derail a thread, stay on topic -Scyd ([email protected]) Forum **'s ftw heh? So if the OP asks what do we consider to be the main reason of existance for BoB, I reply (with my main I might add) that I believe it to be the need for attention that's the main reason of existance for BoB, and suddenly I'm derailing the thread? What corp is your main in Scyd, Evolution? I didnt think you were off topic or derailing the thread But im on my final warning so what would I know! Originally by:** CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.

hybridundertaker Amarr coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.11 12:27:00 - [61] what BOB really want EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.11 13:05:00 - [62] Originally by: Heikki Originally by: Sabahl What exactly is it that BoB want in the game? Seems somewhat obvious, since you don't seem to be asking for short or long term tactical goals. Bob players are after challenging things while feeling they are among the top dogs of the game. -Lasse thanks for daring to post with the main char What he said. and maybe some self control on the attitude department aswell.......well prolly not what you lot want ghehe. The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
Zylatis The Inner Legion EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.05.11 13:06:00 - [63] They're under the delusion that when they conquer all of 0.0 and 'win' eve that lots of money will come pouring out of the front of their computers.
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2007.05.11 13:06:00 - [64] this game is about capitalization, industrialization and colonization.. add on the fact you've got a significant number of single-minded individuals that just want to cause chaos and destruction in any organized environment and now you have to add on militarization. seems to me bob are just playing the game.. better than most in fact. have they stepped on toes? who hasn't? it's impossible, even when you're off line.. people will make stuff up if they have to to create conflict. nothing comes without a bit of work. what differs bob from most alliances in this game is their ability to live cohesively with this fact. so many others just want isk at the fastest pace with the least effort. bottom line? bob does it right. everyone that stands against them seems to like to try and find shortcuts to compensate for lack of skill and dedication to the cause.. never seems to work. People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.11 13:15:00 - [65] BoB wants Cookies cAKe and Pie, but CCP wouldn't allow it. Hence BoB. Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.11 13:16:00 - [66] Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 11/05/2007 13:16:10 First day and there is already a 'Look at me' thread. Yet you all fall for it. Like it matters what you think they want, in comparison with what they 'think' they want. What they are willing to sacrifice to win a game would have been a more prudent question... but really. Who cares? Edit: Change my statement. There is nothing wrong with the other thread. It is ultimatly a stats thread. Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.11 13:28:00 - [67] Wow ok nice thread I would like to throw my 2 cents in and this is my main. When I first heard about BOB I heard that they were the strongest alliance in EVE that forced thier rule opun thier Tenants. From what I have seen thier methods are unorthadoxed and sometimes below the belt (choosing my words carefully) I cant imagine what it is like to be in BOB but I can imagine with a name like Band of brothers you guys are quite close. I also take it that you guys are also quite diciplened and run alarm clock ops like MC do. Lastly I have only met 1 BOB member and chatted with him, it only lasted a few minutes basically I dropped connection after the shipyard attack logged in the next day in my dictor and local was full of bobbits. So I hightailed it out of there found a faction spawn on the gate and didnt stop to kill it(not that a dictor could kill a faction BS ) so me being a nice guy I convoed the last guy to speak in local, told him about the spawn. (right im going to get spanked for this by my ceo) he thaught I wasnt being serious but checked anyways and thanked me and wished me the best of luck on my way home. I forgot his name though. what bob want ? well i guess 0.0 domination fame and fortune... Originally by: Rawne Karrde PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
maarud Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.11 13:32:00 - [68] IIRC, Bob want to take over all of 0.0 to make it availible to all entities of EVE. Kind of what Rome did to you Europe. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.11 13:35:00 - [69] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 11/05/2007 13:33:24 Astarte you didn't -just- post that they wanted attention. I mean duh, obviously they're attention hos Your comment about them not getting any in RL is why moderator nerfed you, and you totally deserved it. http://eve.klaki.net/
Dionisius Gallente Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.05.11 13:35:00 - [70] Well BoB are that alliance that takes this game to a new level within their ranks, at least for me you are not and alliance but more of a big corp with people meeting the same goals and comiting to them. Now most of us may not like the arrogance of some of your members or friendly alliances, as sure as hell i don't, but credit must be given you guys know your stuff. At first i was lead to believe you guys were kinda pirates, then i read your RKK stories in your foruns, made some digging around other alliances and , at least for me, you guys are doing what most people likes to do, be it in a MMORPG or a single player game, you like to beat your oponent. Now i like theory's and mine is that you haven't found your match, and it will be very hard to do so because of the sheer numbers either in isk and ships that you now possess, the greed of your foes that turncoat and join you, the lack of proper foes sometimes, etc, an new oponent would have to take time and numbers to build up the necessary skills and player base in order to take you on and i say a new one simply because most of the good players that could do it won't. This last war is a perfect display of it, you guys comited, the others didn't, thing is i feel that you take this game a bit to seriously like almost a job, i believe you have fun in that, its your way, others don't and end up getting crushed, later they simply, quit, join you or leave, disband alliance and enter random smack in foruns without doing anything else of credit. Now i really hope you don't get to conquer all 0.0, low-sec and sort, because that would make this game a weee bit boring. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...

Plan Neun Caldari Ganja Unlimited	Posted - 2007.05.11 13:40:00 - [71] I want RKK, BNC, Dice, Evolution aka BoB to simply die. What you belive what other told me to belive I dont care. Never going to support BoB no matter how much of deep space you take, we will never ever support you. "I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.05.11 13:47:00 - [72] BoB doesn't want to fight. BoB wants to win. They don't care what it takes, or how low they have to stoop to get there, it's just a means to an end. -------------------------------------
Frygok Minmatar Mean Anglo-Danes	Posted - 2007.05.11 14:00:00 - [73] BoB wants world peace! Seriously though, they want to win. And to achieve this goal, they have managed to recruit some of the most hardcore players of the game. Not only SP wise, but also experience wise, and most importantly: Time spent online. Atleast, that is the impression I've got. I wonder if BoB will continue to exist, if their objective with the game truly is facing challenges. If challenges is what they want, they go around creating it in an odd way, gathering a large amount of the most dedicated players in their corps. BoB, destroy your own alliance and create havoc all over! I bet that would be fun!
Silvestri Minmatar FIRMA	Posted - 2007.05.11 14:02:00 - [74] How can ppl say BoB doesn't want to fight? They met the coalition advances and stopped them. I want....2 things...ppl open there eyes...and the long term players that reside in BoB...the 2003, 2004 ones to spread out to other corps...lol.
Hubbins The Three Hundred SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 14:06:00 - [75] All BOB wants is your first born child, it's not that bad. I think the average member wants to pew-pew and have some fun. However I have no idea what the leaders want, they are crazy
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.11 14:07:00 - [76] A holiday. 0/ then some time cleaning polishing skulls and medals. After this comes the disturbing part, more and more bob players will get fat, start running baths and listening to kenny G, eventually they will only want penut butter sandwiches. so penut butter sandwiches it will be, for now a medal and bath.
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.11 14:39:00 - [77] To the music "Know What Boys Like"... I know what BOB likes I know what BOB wants I know what BOB likes I've got what BOB likes I know what BOB likes I know what BOB wants I seen them looking I make them want me I likes to tease them they want to touch me I never let them I know what BOB likes I know what BOB wants I know what BOB likes BOB wants, BOB wants me
The Tumaril Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.11 14:42:00 - [78] This is actually probably the best thread I've read in months lol. Very interesting to hear these perspectives without most of the flame that usually accompanies these threads. I have to say, some of the ideas have amused me greatly but I liked the one with the life force energy thing, made me think a little... (cue creepy sci fi music) Poor PvPer's flame forums, and Forum Flamers have small epeens!
Wesley Baird Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 15:09:00 - [79] People have been answering two different questions...I think...that being what does BOB the alliance want? and what do the players in BOB want? The players want PVP action, fun fights, victories...same as the rest of us. What does BOB the alliance want? I would bet they have staged goals, which I doubt include the conquest of all of 0.0 I suspect their goals are limited to certain regions. I know many of the people I speak to believe BOB wants all of 0.0 I just don't believe that to be the case, managing that much space is too much work. Seriously anyone in command of any alliance can tell you even controlling and organizing a few regions takes alot of time and effort. Now try to imagine controlling all of 0.0?! My experience with leaders of alliances has shown me that they understand that this is a game, they want their members to have fun, and they want to have fun. To manage all of 0.0 would be full-time work...which would suck balls...BOB want to control more systems than they currently control, that is for sure...but be realistic, they don't want it all...who the hell would?? YAAARRRR!!!
nickycakes Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.11 15:10:00 - [80] Originally by: Zylatis They're under the delusion that when they conquer all of 0.0 and 'win' eve that lots of money will come pouring out of the front of their computers. wait, are you trying to suggest that this won't happen?

Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.11 15:15:00 - [81] pvp ---- Everything I say represents my corporation and their views.
Darc Kaahar Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.11 15:58:00 - [82] Edited by: Darc Kaahar on 11/05/2007 15:55:58 Originally by: nickycakes Originally by: Zylatis They're under the delusion that when they conquer all of 0.0 and 'win' eve that lots of money will come pouring out of the front of their computers. wait, are you trying to suggest that this won't happen? Do you really think that's possible, to conquer and control all of 0.0? Yes, you could possibly control the majority of 0.0, but total dominance? Hmm I just don't think so. But what do I know, I spend most of my time langers off my face shouting at people that aren't there in a empty TS channel.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.05.11 16:26:00 - [83] What does BOB want? If its about winning EVE, I think its safe to say they've actually done that. Sure they don't actually control all of 0.0, but anyone with half a brain can look at the methods they've used to conquer what they have and see the writing on the wall. They'll never stop the game, there will always be alliances that will fight them, but for all intents and purposes, BoB is the fifth empire. Most of you fight their pets, but the reality is, the core corporation leaders of BoB itself are now as ubiquitous and untouchable as a CCP employee playing a Caldari CEO or the Amarri Emperor. Is this what they wanted? From what I understand of EVE history from second hand sources, BOB was originated as the anti-alliance. Yet here they are, on top of the game. The revolution has become an institution. I'm not above thinking that over time, as the ball was rolling and gaining momentum, that their goals weren't revisited, and this crusade across no sec evolved from a desire to show the world how it ought to be done. Whatever they look like to the rest of us, I'm pretty sure their inner workings haven't changed much. I think what they saw in the alliances they formed to protest hasn't wormed its way into their operation. Ego, metagame. They play EVE for what it is, for what they want, and to say "BOB wants ________" as if its the sum total of their desires is really missing the point behind why so many people sign up for their cause. What does BOB want? I don't think the real answer is going to be a simple one by a long shot. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.11 16:31:00 - [84] Originally by: Darc Kaahar Edited by: Darc Kaahar on 11/05/2007 15:55:58 Originally by: nickycakes Originally by: Zylatis They're under the delusion that when they conquer all of 0.0 and 'win' eve that lots of money will come pouring out of the front of their computers. wait, are you trying to suggest that this won't happen? Do you really think that's possible, to conquer and control all of 0.0? Yes, you could possibly control the majority of 0.0, but total dominance? Hmm I just don't think so. But what do I know, I spend most of my time langers off my face shouting at people that aren't there in a empty TS channel. He was talking about the money pouring out of the computer after BoB wins 0.0 slot machine style.
Daald Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.05.11 16:34:00 - [85] I would hope the answer is to have fun because anything other than that would be stupid waste of your life. -----------------------------
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.11 16:47:00 - [86] It's simple, BoB want all your base.
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.11 16:48:00 - [87] Originally by: Zylatis They're under the delusion that when they conquer all of 0.0 and 'win' eve that lots of money will come pouring out of the front of their computers. pretty sure once they win eve they will just go and play POTBS.
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.11 16:50:00 - [88] Originally by: Troubadour Originally by: Zylatis They're under the delusion that when they conquer all of 0.0 and 'win' eve that lots of money will come pouring out of the front of their computers. pretty sure once they win eve they will just go and play POTBS. Not to derail, but PotBS is terrible, and most likely will flop in a major way. BoB wants PvP as do almost all the hardcore gamers in 0.0.
Tercano Nuruva Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.05.11 17:44:00 - [89] I don't normally post on CAOD, but this one I'll bite. Personally, I hold little against any group, I'm sure that the people I shoot and their organisation are just like me and mine, except maybe better or worse at it. I would assume they want total dominance, as they are in a position to achieve it (after all, would you not dream of such things?). If/when they achieve that, I'm sure that some part or other would split (would be boring otherwise), so life goes on. In the history of EVE, alliances have come and gone, but they are still the same people, just recycling. If your alliance dies, there are plenty of others out there, so again life goes on: their is little point getting hung up about it the same as there is little point getting hung up on k:d ratios and the like. In addition, they want fun (comes easily) and perhaps respect for creating / being a part that organisation. I'm sure most people respect them for their accomplishments (not everything was the spawn of the devil) even if they show that as anger/jealousy. Sure the other 'issue' and 'at-all-costs' tactics lessen them (and for me, as does the fact that every time I've run across a BoB member he has been a smacktard, but I guess thats the vocal minority as in every group, and I've been unlucky ). However, the fact remains that BoB are the single most powerful group with fingers in all the puddings so to speak. "Do not question their power, only how they choose to wield it" - I forget Kudos for posting with your main, this sort of topic is normally the result of alts but having it posted by a main adds more to the discussion and creates a different atmosphere to 'omg post with your main' every other post. Just my opinion, feel free to flame ;)
Kye Kenshin coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.11 17:44:00 - [90] What Molle wants is to completely control just not 0.0 but the whole of EVE and will use every advantage he can As for the average BoB member well most are either bored vets or people who find it easier to join the winning team. Its easier to bask in the success of someone else then make your own way.

Dal Thrax Caldari Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.05.11 17:53:00 - [91] Originally by: Sabahl I had an interesting conversation thrown at me yesterday. An alt representing a disillusioned member of one of our competitor alliances convoed me and asked a question that left me a tad floored. He was unimpressed by what he perceived as the lies and propaganda which had been fed to him from his senior directors and wanted to know what we were actually about. What exactly is it that BoB want in the game? I won't put my thoughts down here, because I want everyone who is NOT in BoB to come back with a reply and tell the rest of the world what they have been told to believe. What do YOU think the raison d'etre is for what most people believe to be the strongest alliance in the game? Feel free to use your non-alliance alts to post. Alliance directors need not respond as its your own (mis?)information that we're polling, here. Personally I've always though the BoB wants to conquer are conquerable 0.0 space just to say that you've done it. Very old school gamer thing to do. The question that worries me is what happens if you manage to pull it off. Dal Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again. soon as i have time i will fill you in on the details
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.11 17:57:00 - [92] IMHO BoB is doing what other MMO's fail at and EVE Strives at: They Want to Fight, And Take the Spoils of THat Fight. Be it Territory, money, stuff.. whatever. I don't believe it's Random Pew pew they want, that's too Easy(tm) and not what Eve is about. BTW, this is in no way a "judgement" in fact.. it's why I started with Eve. You can have factions that can "take control" of a place and keep it as long as you can. I stopped playing "Planetside" because you'd constantly fight and lose your "stuff" in a pre-determined time. Hats off to ALL Combatants! See what you can do with Paintbrush?
General Apocalypse Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.05.11 18:04:00 - [93] They whant all the veld in EVE
Desash The Extremely Norty Gankers Union	Posted - 2007.05.11 18:33:00 - [94] I think BoB just want to be liked and want to get some man love. This will explain why they keep so many pets.
gaz widdow Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 19:06:00 - [95] BOB wants goons and if you stand in there way your goonie IMO anyways and lets remember BOB, was on the defensive here dont make out they went after anyone but goons when all this kicked off. My CC says I can post here:
crice Caldari CRICE Corporation Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.05.11 19:34:00 - [96] Fun and all non-npc space in EvE. crice *waits for a cookie
NickSuccorso Minmatar Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.05.11 19:45:00 - [97] Why would BoB want to control all 0.0? That lack of challenge is the death rattle for any pvp alliance. The novelty of being able to correctly say "Hi, we won Eve" would wear off mighty quick when there's nothing interesting to do but hang with your buds on TS and watch your pretty ships collect dust. The only way anyone would want this is to have a proper book-end to cement a legacy before leaving en masse(or disbanding). I think it would be more accurate to guess that the majority of BoB wants to be pushed to the brink, or be outright defeated. I think that this has been said by them already anyway. "What happens if we lose everything"? I'd wager that a few of them at least would be more than interested to find out. Not getting into guesswork about the business or whatever else they do in game.
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.05.11 19:54:00 - [98] My impression has always been that BoB simply wants to be viewed as the 'winner' of EVE. Free to screw around in whatever way suits their fancy and lord it up a lot in the process. Someone probably has an internal definition of what this 'win' state is, but I suspect it involves being able to take down any 0.0 alliance at will and demonstrating this enough times to keep others from claiming otherwise. The truth is though, that if you get there, all that's left is to sit around and be loud about it. The smacktards can puff their chests, the politicians can BS about how someone could make a new alliance and unseat them if they were just cool enough, and the power kiddies can roam about fighting overmatched foe and claiming to be cool. But its a dead and pointless game at that stage. Or perhaps more accurately, its pointless for people who play at that uber-alliance level, or anyone who gets rolled over by them. Not really a bright future to look forward to.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.11 19:55:00 - [99] Originally by: crice *waits for a cookie You are more likely to get a DD then a cookie from a 4th rate corp like us, Crice. The truth will set you free
Wraithborn Gallente Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 20:00:00 - [100] What do they want odds are the same as all of us. FUN and to be the best at what they do thats what most of us work for in eve. i hope to become a player that is as good as some of the BOB members i have meet. to take over all of is is well come on guys they would need like 10k members and thats no fun. besides who would you fight?????? the fun would go away to fast

Megan Maynard Minmatar RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.05.11 20:05:00 - [101] Bob just wants to have fun, as does everyone else in eve. And there is no way for BOB to take over the entire universe, eventually someone will get bored on their side and start some more fun. It's happened in the past, it will happen again. It's just too bad I can't participate fully over the summer.
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 21:14:00 - [102] What does bob want imo? -To control directly or through pets all or the vast majority of 0.0. -To claim all victories primarily achieved by pets as their own, or manipulate the community into naturally viewing pet accomplishments as bob accomplishments. -Contrary to the last opinion, any loss of bob pets is not a bob loss/defeat, its a pet loss/defeat. -Accomplish feats that at first glance sound amazing and stick in the mind of the simpleton as incredible. But in reality are done through shady means. And shadyness in general, and seem to take paranoia about ccp staff being biased and/or in direct support of bob as a compliment...even after it was proven true in an "isolated" incident. who knows IF it goes deeper or how deep if it does... I personally like all the commotion over the titan kills, i once solo killed a deadspace station, it took 1.5 hours of shooting, and was equally as dangerous as those titan kills...where's my 5 months of fame? The alliance that kills a titan with 'guns blazing' will get my applause (not that anyone cares), til then titans are indestructible if fitted and stuffed with an online pilot imo. prove me wrong and fraps it, i'll <3 u forever. and u better have effects on. Basically, kill big flashy things that cant fight back, like logged off titans and ASCN(lol). And then hang the shiny pictures on the forums for all to see and gasp about. That being said i also think bob has one of the best possible diplomatic policies, great placement of pet space as a buffer zone, and a great control over what the community believes are and are not bob accomplishments. The strategic borders of their space is great, by that i mean that in order to attack bob, you have to kill the pets in your way or youre trapped between a small army while fighting a big one, and Bizmark frowns on that. if the pets lose bob lost nothing, if you lose it was yet another bob victory. great for the alliance image and morale. Not to mention many of the better pvpers in the game in support of one of eve's most powerful capital fleets. After that wall of text if I and many of us are wrong in thinking bob wants all or a majority of 0.0 with blue pilots in it...that would probably be best for everyone. Unless quitting eve out of boredom is what you want.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.11 21:38:00 - [103] Edited by: welsh wizard on 11/05/2007 21:40:35 Playing in a 'pro' team is fun. Being successful is fun. Many players in games like to play that way. It's not eve specific. You'll find that even in WoW in the top guilds. Their members consider eachother friends, but nevertheless they are ambitious and have e.g. no-slacker / no-stupidity rules. It's really about being ambitious and being able to achieve great goals with the right people. BoB is just one of the places, where such people meet, I guess. Such people usually meet in top corps and/or top alliances. It already starts with people being afraid about 'nubs' in their rows damaging their corps or alliances reputation or stuff like 'We don't fly with them, they are nubs !' Nubs not meaning low skillpoints, but people, who play stupid. Guess every eve pvp'er has heard such things once already. I'd compare it to sports. Some people enjoy sports more, if they are in a team that tries and is able to achieve something. But where are all the top pvp'ers who want to fight BoB because they're the best? Where are the challengers? There aren't any because apparently they're all on the same side. BoB's ranks continue to swell with quality players from other entities who have either been conquered and have given up or are just sick of losing. It doesn't polarise like this in other games or sports, at least not in the same degree. Why? Theres too much to lose I guess, it's easier and more 'fun' to just throw the towel in and join the guys who already have the whole thing sussed. I think the biggest part of the problem is Eve's age. The time has been and gone as far as setting up an alliance that can compete at the top is concerned. The game is in its death throws politically, this is blindingly obvious from where I'm sat. No other game provides a universe in which you come to prosper over such a large time scale and its both a blessing and a curse. A challenger needed to step up to the plate 2 or 3 years ago but it never happened.
Apollyon X FIRMA	Posted - 2007.05.11 21:43:00 - [104] Originally by: welsh wizard But where are all the top pvp'ers who want to fight BoB because they're the best? Where are the challengers? There aren't any because apparently they're all on the same side. BoB's ranks continue to swell with quality players from other entities who have either been conquered and have given up or are just sick of losing. It doesn't polarise like this in other games or sports, at least not in the same degree. Why? Theres too much to lose I guess. I think the biggest part of the problem is Eve's age. The time has been and gone as far as setting up an alliance that can compete at the top is concerned. The game is in its death throws politically, this is blindingly obvious from where I'm sat. No other game provides a universe in which you come to prosper over such a large time scale and its both a blessing and a curse. A challenger needed to step up to the plate 2 or 3 years ago but it never happened. Exactly.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.11 21:56:00 - [105] Edited by: welsh wizard on 11/05/2007 22:01:06 Originally by: General Apocalypse They whant all the veld in EVE Best sig I've seen on here in 3 years. \o/ edit: Linkage for those too lazy to scroll up. :P
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.11 21:59:00 - [106] Right, I'm going to have to call you out on this one. Originally by: Cedori If BoB was really interested in a challenge, they would have killed the two titans when the were logged in. But they didn't, they metagame killed them. Where's the challenge in destroying a pilotless ship? We have killed 2 titans. No other alliance/group/organization has killed any. That's right, ZERO.. We've killed 2. That itself should say what kind of a challenge killing them have been. You're thinking strictly of a challenge in 1 Dimension. Sneaking an alt into an enemy alliance, leaving it there for months, and then being at the exact place and time that a enemy titan was going to be at, coordinating a friendly fleet to be in position, and doing all of this while the other side didn't know about it? Targetting it and pressing F1-F8 might not have been much of a challenge, but more goes into combat then the final battle. If you think warfare is all about blobbing, targetting, and mashing buttons, you're sadly mistaken. Originally by: Cedori If BoB was really interested in a challenge then the entire <SNIP-PRE-SNIPPED to save the mods the work> wouldn't have happened. They wouldn't have felt like they needed that to win. Takes the challenge out of it. I'm really not sure what you're referring too. If you're calling us cheaters or something then petition us, with your proof, and let the GMs handle it. Crying about something unverifiable on the forums does no one any good. Originally by: Cedori If BoB was really interested in a challenge, then they would have stuck by LV and fought RAGoon during the final weeks of LV. Instead they ran home and abandoned their ally. Now granted this made strategic sense, but from a "challenge" standpoint, fighting a war on two fronts is MUCH more interesting ;) Now you're confusing stupidity with the definition of 'a challenge'. The most strategic thing to do at the time was pull back, regroup, and deal with things in a priority, which is what we did.. quite successfully might I add. I can make all sorts of real-world analogies to this, but they're not necassary. Doing something stupid does not equal a challenge. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
papaPadla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.11 22:15:00 - [107] to be honest... i'd really like to see titans nerfed... just so we can beat you sensless without them and see what else reason you come up with next for loosing -------------------------------------
sakana North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.11 22:16:00 - [108] what do bob really want? i imagine they want to shoot stuff. ------------
Dracolich North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.11 22:16:00 - [109] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 11/05/2007 21:52:36 Originally by: Plutoinum Playing in a 'pro' team is fun. Being successful is fun. Many players in games like to play that way. It's not eve specific. You'll find that even in WoW in the top guilds. Their members consider eachother friends, but nevertheless they are ambitious and have e.g. no-slacker / no-stupidity rules. It's really about being ambitious and being able to achieve great goals with the right people. BoB is just one of the places, where such people meet, I guess. Such people usually meet in top corps and/or top alliances. It already starts with people being afraid about 'nubs' in their rows damaging their corps or alliances reputation or stuff like 'We don't fly with them, they are nubs !' Nubs not meaning low skillpoints, but people, who play stupid. Guess every eve pvp'er has heard such things once already. I'd compare it to sports. Some people enjoy sports more, if they are in a team that tries and is able to achieve something. But where are all the top pvp'ers who want to fight BoB because they're the best? Where are the challengers? There aren't any because apparently they're all on the same side. BoB's ranks continue to swell with quality players from other entities who have either been conquered and have given up or are just sick of losing. It doesn't polarise like this in other games or sports, at least not in the same degree. Why? Theres too much to lose I guess, it's easier and more 'fun' to just throw the towel in and join the guys who already have the whole thing sussed. I think the main cause of this 'situation' is Eve's age and the amount of time a layer has to invest. The time has been and gone as far as setting up an alliance that can compete at the top is concerned. The game is in its death throws politically, this is blindingly obvious from where I'm sat. No other game provides a universe in which you come to prosper over such a large time scale and its both a blessing and a curse. A challenger needed to step up to the plate 2 or 3 years ago but it never happened. Top notch... As I see it, there are many good pvp'ers in Eve, but very few has any vision.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.11 22:27:00 - [110] Originally by: KSUDruid Right, I'm going to have to call you out on this one. Originally by: Cedori If BoB was really interested in a challenge, they would have killed the two titans when the were logged in. But they didn't, they metagame killed them. Where's the challenge in destroying a pilotless ship? We have killed 2 titans. No other alliance/group/organization has killed any. That's right, ZERO.. We've killed 2. That itself should say what kind of a challenge killing them have been. You're thinking strictly of a challenge in 1 Dimension. Sneaking an alt into an enemy alliance, leaving it there for months, and then being at the exact place and time that a enemy titan was going to be at, coordinating a friendly fleet to be in position, and doing all of this while the other side didn't know about it? Targetting it and pressing F1-F8 might not have been much of a challenge, but more goes into combat then the final battle. If you think warfare is all about blobbing, targetting, and mashing buttons, you're sadly mistaken. Originally by: Cedori If BoB was really interested in a challenge then the entire <SNIP-PRE-SNIPPED to save the mods the work> wouldn't have happened. They wouldn't have felt like they needed that to win. Takes the challenge out of it. I'm really not sure what you're referring too. If you're calling us cheaters or something then petition us, with your proof, and let the GMs handle it. Crying about something unverifiable on the forums does no one any good. Originally by: Cedori If BoB was really interested in a challenge, then they would have stuck by LV and fought RAGoon during the final weeks of LV. Instead they ran home and abandoned their ally. Now granted this made strategic sense, but from a "challenge" standpoint, fighting a war on two fronts is MUCH more interesting ;) Now you're confusing stupidity with the definition of 'a challenge'. The most strategic thing to do at the time was pull back, regroup, and deal with things in a priority, which is what we did.. quite successfully might I add. I can make all sorts of real-world analogies to this, but they're not necassary. Doing something stupid does not equal a challenge. You're proud of BoB's titan kills ? They were both pathetic. So would it be a huge accomplishment if someone in coalition did a DDOS attack on Molle's home computer and blew Shrike's avatar up ? There's very little difference between that and what BoB "accomplished". http://eve.klaki.net/

Draconiss	Posted - 2007.05.11 22:33:00 - [111] I don't think that what BOB wants is really all that important ...its more what bob does that players should worry about ... for me EVE was a game that I enjoyed playing but it is still a game ..to the directors of bob & I would say many other corps as well it is more than a game its were the derive there self esteem from ..... I mean who actually has the time to put all the plans & schemes together that BOB does ...If you have a RL with all those responsibility's kids wife mortgage car payments job GF actual breathing friends who u can reach out & touch ...there is no way ...so who are you left with..???? exactly ..... I have 5 accounts so you could say that I am eve addicted ...& I used to love putting together my own ops ratting & mining in a belt in 00 but not any more eve has become a job unto its self ..& I all ready have one so I have put my chars into mothballs till a later time when eve will once again have some appeal to me.. this war is lame in its total lack of fun capital ships & pos warfare just doesn't appeal to a casual pvp`er like me ...I like the pew pew just as much as anybody else does but waiting at a gate came for some action just to get DD to me is a waist of my playing time ... BOB has become the face of everything that I dislike about eve ..I and many people like me want to enjoy there gaming time esp when there isn't that much of it ...the more chaos & turmoil there is the less EvE will appeal to players like me ..which is fine the hard core peeps who thrive in a cluster fk will be happy whether there is 1000 players or 30,000 .. so who noes we may all be bob pets then what are ya going to do ???????
francine Kior	Posted - 2007.05.11 22:34:00 - [112] I don't know what anyone else is playing for, but I play to try to forget about my wife and the incredible amount of debt she incurs. Something tells me I am not alone.
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 22:54:00 - [113] Bob are the new Mo0
elohllird Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.11 22:57:00 - [114] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: KSUDruid Right, I'm going to have to call you out on this one. Originally by: Cedori If BoB was really interested in a challenge, they would have killed the two titans when the were logged in. But they didn't, they metagame killed them. Where's the challenge in destroying a pilotless ship? We have killed 2 titans. No other alliance/group/organization has killed any. That's right, ZERO.. We've killed 2. That itself should say what kind of a challenge killing them have been. You're thinking strictly of a challenge in 1 Dimension. Sneaking an alt into an enemy alliance, leaving it there for months, and then being at the exact place and time that a enemy titan was going to be at, coordinating a friendly fleet to be in position, and doing all of this while the other side didn't know about it? Targetting it and pressing F1-F8 might not have been much of a challenge, but more goes into combat then the final battle. If you think warfare is all about blobbing, targetting, and mashing buttons, you're sadly mistaken. Originally by: Cedori If BoB was really interested in a challenge then the entire <SNIP-PRE-SNIPPED to save the mods the work> wouldn't have happened. They wouldn't have felt like they needed that to win. Takes the challenge out of it. I'm really not sure what you're referring too. If you're calling us cheaters or something then petition us, with your proof, and let the GMs handle it. Crying about something unverifiable on the forums does no one any good. Originally by: Cedori If BoB was really interested in a challenge, then they would have stuck by LV and fought RAGoon during the final weeks of LV. Instead they ran home and abandoned their ally. Now granted this made strategic sense, but from a "challenge" standpoint, fighting a war on two fronts is MUCH more interesting ;) Now you're confusing stupidity with the definition of 'a challenge'. The most strategic thing to do at the time was pull back, regroup, and deal with things in a priority, which is what we did.. quite successfully might I add. I can make all sorts of real-world analogies to this, but they're not necassary. Doing something stupid does not equal a challenge. You're proud of BoB's titan kills ? They were both pathetic. So would it be a huge accomplishment if someone in coalition did a DDOS attack on Molle's home computer and blew Shrike's avatar up ? There's very little difference between that and what BoB "accomplished". I'm not an alt God**** it!
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2007.05.11 22:59:00 - [115] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Astarte you didn't -just- post that they wanted attention. I mean duh, obviously they're attention hos holy pot kettle black batman! People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue
Red Crown Kudzu Collective Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.05.11 23:06:00 - [116] I'm going to give into the forums here. Props to all BoB members who posted with their mains. Those who didn't - please, you haven't fooled anyone. If you have a point to make, make it without the mask on. I've seen BoB before, on another game. Most games like this one, competetive pvp, have a BoB entity. Its not healthy for a game, which is the prime reason why I want to see them destroyed. They want to win EVE - and all that encompasses it. Its more than just wanting to have your name occupy the entire map, winning is a thing you can grasp onto. "Hey dudes, we won eve." Like beating the game. Its a personality thing. I won't go so far as to say as its caused by insecurity...but they way I see many (not all.) members of BoB (and in fact former LV) act made me think, "these guys are just a bunch of jerks." And 99% of the eve population has lived long enough to know why people are jerks for the most part. But as I said, what concerns me the most is the health of the game. Not even the political climate. A seriously upset balance of power (BoB controls everywhere but RaGoon space) would be a serious if not total turn-off for the majority of 0.0 dwellers. - "The Mains Created the alts They rebelled They look...and feel...human Some are programmed to think they are human There are many alts. And they have a plan." - Forumstar Galactica
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.11 23:11:00 - [117] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk You're proud of BoB's titan kills ? They were both pathetic. So would it be a huge accomplishment if someone in coalition did a DDOS attack on Molle's home computer and blew Shrike's avatar up ? There's very little difference between that and what BoB "accomplished". Excuse Me? What the hell does a DDOS attack have anything to do with how we killed the previous titans? Are you really claiming we performed a DDOS attack on the titan pilots? Got Proof? No? I thought not, now shut your damn mouth and quit making idiotic accusations. We killed the two titans, fair and square. Period. Has Anyone else? No.. Seriously dude, if you want to know detail for detail HOW we killed the two titans we did, I'll be happy to entertain your convo and spell it out in perfect detail. NOTHING we did was outside the game rules. Sneaking alts into corporations to do things are perfectly legal game mechanics (you of all people should be talking considering your history) and both titans were killed, completely within game mechanics. If they weren't, CCP would have called foul. Nothing will ever appease you idiots like you, will it.. you really can't stand all that we pulled something off that couldn't even wrap your mind around without resorting to cheatz0rs/hax0rz/devz0rs/ddosz0rs.. give me a damn break... -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Kye Kenshin coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.11 23:13:00 - [118] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 11/05/2007 21:52:36 Originally by: Plutoinum Playing in a 'pro' team is fun. Being successful is fun. Many players in games like to play that way. It's not eve specific. You'll find that even in WoW in the top guilds. Their members consider eachother friends, but nevertheless they are ambitious and have e.g. no-slacker / no-stupidity rules. It's really about being ambitious and being able to achieve great goals with the right people. BoB is just one of the places, where such people meet, I guess. Such people usually meet in top corps and/or top alliances. It already starts with people being afraid about 'nubs' in their rows damaging their corps or alliances reputation or stuff like 'We don't fly with them, they are nubs !' Nubs not meaning low skillpoints, but people, who play stupid. Guess every eve pvp'er has heard such things once already. I'd compare it to sports. Some people enjoy sports more, if they are in a team that tries and is able to achieve something. But where are all the top pvp'ers who want to fight BoB because they're the best? Where are the challengers? There aren't any because apparently they're all on the same side. BoB's ranks continue to swell with quality players from other entities who have either been conquered and have given up or are just sick of losing. It doesn't polarise like this in other games or sports, at least not in the same degree. Why? Theres too much to lose I guess, it's easier and more 'fun' to just throw the towel in and join the guys who already have the whole thing sussed. I think the main cause of this 'situation' is Eve's age and the amount of time a layer has to invest. The time has been and gone as far as setting up an alliance that can compete at the top is concerned. The game is in its death throws politically, this is blindingly obvious from where I'm sat. No other game provides a universe in which you come to prosper over such a large time scale and its both a blessing and a curse. A challenger needed to step up to the plate 2 or 3 years ago but it never happened. This post sums it up brilliantly, BoB won a few years ago tbh and everyone should cut out all the "They want a challenge!!1!" crap. If they did they would all be using Velators to attack Concord with.
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2007.05.11 23:16:00 - [119] Originally by: Red Crown But as I said, what concerns me the most is the health of the game. Not even the political climate. A seriously upset balance of power (BoB controls everywhere but RaGoon space) would be a serious if not total turn-off for the majority of 0.0 dwellers. even IF that happened, don't you think CCP is creative enough to think of something (if they haven't already) to address a very realistic situation such as this? you have to give them credit.. they've been creative enough to steer this entity for 4 years now. we may see server and hardware issues, and those are expected.. but creativity is something you don't have to rely on money to bank. we all realize every time we log into our second lives that they have the creativity to begin with. who knows, something such as this could spawn a whole new eve that continues to wow and awe us all over again. but why sit speculating on something that belongs in the trusted hands of the people that already control it? i like bob, but you give even them too much credit to think that one day CCP would be like 'holy crap! we ran out of content and didn't think of this possibility!' and BoBs continued colonization of 0.0 was the reason. People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue
Havras The Syndicate Inc DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.05.11 23:18:00 - [120] LOL. You people don't get it do you? What do BOB want? That is simple. They want their idea of fun. They couldn't and wouldn't give a rat's arse about anyone elses fun. End of the story.

Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.11 23:33:00 - [121] Originally by: KSUDruid Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk You're proud of BoB's titan kills ? They were both pathetic. So would it be a huge accomplishment if someone in coalition did a DDOS attack on Molle's home computer and blew Shrike's avatar up ? There's very little difference between that and what BoB "accomplished". Excuse Me? What the hell does a DDOS attack have anything to do with how we killed the previous titans? Are you really claiming we performed a DDOS attack on the titan pilots? Got Proof? No? I thought not, now shut your damn mouth and quit making idiotic accusations. We killed the two titans, fair and square. Period. Has Anyone else? No.. Seriously dude, if you want to know detail for detail HOW we killed the two titans we did, I'll be happy to entertain your convo and spell it out in perfect detail. NOTHING we did was outside the game rules. Sneaking alts into corporations to do things are perfectly legal game mechanics (you of all people should be talking considering your history) and both titans were killed, completely within game mechanics. If they weren't, CCP would have called foul. Nothing will ever appease you idiots like you, will it.. you really can't stand all that we pulled something off that couldn't even wrap your mind around without resorting to cheatz0rs/hax0rz/devz0rs/ddosz0rs.. give me a damn break... I know exactly how you killed them, no you didn't use DDOS to do it nor have I ever implied you did, reading comprehension much? That said calling them fair and square kills is incredibly stupid. GMs can't call anything you did an exploit, congrats DigitalCommunist bent the rules as far as they would go without breaking any, any reasonable definition of exploiting covers what he did to D2. You killed two offline titans, an achievement considerably less impressive than destroying an NPC battleship the way you went about it. The DDOS part of my comparison was simply forcing an offline Titan kill rather than lucking into one or infiltrating and then exploiting your way into one. Taking pride in your titan kill "accomplishments" is as I said before, pathetic. http://eve.klaki.net/
MuthaTrucka Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.05.11 23:34:00 - [122] Originally by: KSUDruid Excuse Me? What the hell does a DDOS attack have anything to do with how we killed the previous titans? Are you really claiming we performed a DDOS attack on the titan pilots? Got Proof? No? I thought not, now shut your damn mouth and quit making idiotic accusations. We killed the two titans, fair and square. Period. Has Anyone else? No.. Seriously dude, if you want to know detail for detail HOW we killed the two titans we did, I'll be happy to entertain your convo and spell it out in perfect detail. NOTHING we did was outside the game rules. Sneaking alts into corporations to do things are perfectly legal game mechanics (you of all people should be talking considering your history) and both titans were killed, completely within game mechanics. If they weren't, CCP would have called foul. Nothing will ever appease you idiots like you, will it.. you really can't stand all that we pulled something off that couldn't even wrap your mind around without resorting to cheatz0rs/hax0rz/devz0rs/ddosz0rs.. give me a damn break... What he is trying to Say Druid, Is no matter how much you pat yourself on the back. You metagamed the Titan Kills, BoB was Caught in a Lie with CCP, and everything you do including this thread is Tainted. It is too late for BoB to achieve any Clean victory. What does BoB want? Attention nothing more, Nothing less. --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.11 23:43:00 - [123] Originally by: Darc Kaahar Edited by: Darc Kaahar on 11/05/2007 15:55:58 Originally by: nickycakes Originally by: Zylatis They're under the delusion that when they conquer all of 0.0 and 'win' eve that lots of money will come pouring out of the front of their computers. wait, are you trying to suggest that this won't happen? Do you really think that's possible, to conquer and control all of 0.0? Yes, you could possibly control the majority of 0.0, but total dominance? Hmm I just don't think so. But what do I know, I spend most of my time langers off my face shouting at people that aren't there in a empty TS channel. omfg, your sig wins eve..... Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.11 23:52:00 - [124] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I know exactly how you killed them, no you didn't use DDOS to do it nor have I ever implied you did, reading comprehension much? Gee... Really? Funny, I tend to remember like 30 seconds ago you saying that... Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk So would it be a huge accomplishment if someone in coalition did a DDOS attack on Molle's home computer and blew Shrike's avatar up ? There's very little difference between that and what BoB "accomplished". That's what English major's typically call a Metaphor and the purpose of said metaphor is to connect two, seemingly unlike things, and give them the same characteristics. You can't cover yourself now by saying "OMG I DIDN'T SAY THAT LIAR" Because you just did. I have great reading comprehension thank you very much. Once again, if killing titans (with legal game mechanics) Is such a miniscule accomplish that isn't even worth of 'Killing an NPC Battleship' How come your resume isn't padded with Titan Kills? Thanks for playing. Originally by: MuthaTrucka What he is trying to Say Druid, Is no matter how much you pat yourself on the back. You metagamed the Titan Kills, BoB was Caught in a Lie with CCP, and everything you do including this thread is Tainted. It is too late for BoB to achieve any Clean victory. First off, No one in Bob asked T20 to cheat. Go read Kieron's and his own Posts concerning the topic if you think otherwise. Secondly, I'll quote my homies over at the Wikipedia again, "Metagaming" indicates going beyond the scope, rules, or limits of the game. If we were 'metagaming' then CCP would have found it against their rules, and reimbursed the players, since we obviously broke the rules. Since I don't seem to remember anyone banning Digi for his brilliant manuever, then it must not be Metagaming. Whether YOU (or Tyraxx) like it or not, we haven't broken any rules, because the people that we all pay to play this game (CCP) say we haven't broken any rules. You don't find CCP's rules Fair? Please Click Here Then Choose "Account Details" and Select "Cancel Account", Cause no one wants to hear your damn whining anymore. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.12 00:01:00 - [125] "So would it be a huge accomplishment if someone in coalition did a DDOS attack on Molle's home computer and blew Shrike's avatar up ?" So in your "english major" world this equals me saying BoB used DDOS ? http://eve.klaki.net/
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.12 00:16:00 - [126] Scroll up, read what you wrote (ALL OF IT) and then unplug your keyboard when you understand it plz. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
papaPadla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.12 00:22:00 - [127] god i hate iac. i have to admit ... they did bring it... as oposed to other coalition fa... well guys. if we waited for them, iac was among the few that did bring a fight most everytime... but i hate the fact that though they had the guts... all they offered in game was target practice, yet on forums they always bring inuendos about how bob is cheating. Lemme elaborate on that: There are a dozen or more threads where they(coalition) explain in great detail how a titan is overpowered and cannot be killed. What is bob doing? finds a way to kill 2 of these ships What is coalition doing? starts cryin, then goes back and starts explaining those are not "fair" kills hey ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR and bob loves war -------------------------------------
laotse Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.12 00:24:00 - [128] druid relax m8 remeber this is a game and you still at he wrong side hehe http://80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
w0rmy Pringles Inc. YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.12 00:28:00 - [129] Originally by: Vasili Z pvp Id have to disagree, PVP involves all partys being online. Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.12 00:31:00 - [130] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 12/05/2007 00:30:10 Originally by: papaPadla god i hate iac. i have to admit ... they did bring it... as oposed to other coalition fa... well guys. if we waited for them, iac was among the few that did bring a fight most everytime... but i hate the fact that though they had the guts... all they offered in game was target practice, yet on forums they always bring inuendos about how bob is cheating. Lemme elaborate on that: There are a dozen or more threads where they(coalition) explain in great detail how a titan is overpowered and cannot be killed. What is bob doing? finds a way to kill 2 of these ships What is coalition doing? starts cryin, then goes back and starts explaining those are not "fair" kills hey ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR and bob loves war hate tha playa not tha iac The way you found to kill two of them; in Cyvok's case blind luck on your part + probing.$ And in digi's case infiltrating (nothing wrong with that) and then flagrantly abusing faulty game mechanics. (OMG GMS DIDN'T BAN HIM SO IT'S ALL FAIR AND COMPLETELY NORMAL GAMEPLAY AND IT'S A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT FOR BOB BECAUSE OFFLINE UNDEFENDED TITANS ARE REALLY HARD TO KILL) Originally by: KSUDruid Scroll up, read what you wrote (ALL OF IT) and then unplug your keyboard when you understand it plz. Hey let me know when you stop being wrong, then unplug your keyboard please. http://eve.klaki.net/

MuthaTrucka Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.05.12 00:32:00 - [131] Originally by: KSUDruid First off, No one in Bob asked T20 to cheat. Go read Kieron's and his own Posts concerning the topic if you think otherwise. I saw BoB denying that it ever happened, I saw BoB Enforce a forum Ban on it's members. The Very same Thing they Derided during an earlier War they Won. Once again Rewriting the Past because what was said didn't work in their(your) Favor Originally by: KSUDruid Secondly, I'll quote my homies over at the Wikipedia again, "Metagaming" indicates going beyond the scope, rules, or limits of the game. If we were 'metagaming' then CCP would have found it against their rules, and reimbursed the players, since we obviously broke the rules. Since I don't seem to remember anyone banning Digi for his brilliant manuever, then it must not be Metagaming. Whether YOU (or Tyraxx) like it or not, we haven't broken any rules, because the people that we all pay to play this game (CCP) say we haven't broken any rules. Getting overly defensive? all I said was everything you do is tainted by what you have done before. And that you cannot win cleanly ever again. Must be a terrible thing to have to defend yourself constantly for something you don't believe happened. Maybe you should go back to being quiet on the forums. It is way to easy to goad you into a response. Originally by: KSUDruid You don't find CCP's rules Fair? Please Click Here Then Choose "Account Details" and Select "Cancel Account", Cause no one wants to hear your damn whining anymore. Why would I quit? I could care less what you think of me. You on the Other hand must think an awful lot about what people think of you. Otherwise BoB wouldn't pat itself on the back and try so hard to get people to notice them. It is after all just a game and in the end no matter what you do your just good at a "game". Doesn't sound like much of an accomplishment when it is put that way does it. --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
NereSky Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.12 00:36:00 - [132] Originally by: Havras LOL. You people don't get it do you? What do BOB want? That is simple. They want their idea of fun. They couldn't and wouldn't give a rat's arse about anyone elses fun. End of the story. that about covers it , but u forgot to add 'by any means necessary'
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.12 00:53:00 - [133] Seriously Tyrax, Arguing with you is like listening to someone tell you the sky isn't blue. Scroll up, read what you wrote, get a dictionary, look up the term 'Metaphor' (since you obviously can't be asked to click a link) and then cry yourself to sleep. You're Still Here? It's over... Go Home... Go... Originally by: MuthaTrucka I saw BoB denying that it ever happened, I saw BoB Enforce a forum Ban on it's members. The Very same Thing they Derided during an earlier War they Won. Once again Rewriting the Past because what was said didn't work in their(your) Favor We stopped posting on the forums, cause ASCN said we couldn't win a fight unless we berated the hell out of the enemy on the forums causing schisms and splits within an alliance through propaganda. The previous 90 days I think have proven quite a bit otherwise. As far as T20 cheating, go read what he said. He acted alone, with no assistance from anyone else. That is really not up for debate here, that chapter has happened, written, and over. Sad how you have to dwell on the past cause your present sucks. Originally by: MuthaTrucka Getting overly defensive? all I said was everything you do is tainted by what you have done before. And that you cannot win cleanly ever again. Must be a terrible thing to have to defend yourself constantly for something you don't believe happened. Maybe you should go back to being quiet on the forums. It is way to easy to goad you into a response. Please refer to the above. T20 acted alone, what he did has been righted, and accusing us of anything else is just your own insecurities being projected on to someone else. I'll give you a B- for effort though.. a lesser person might have actually believe what you said.. for a few seconds anyway. Originally by: MuthaTrucka Why would I quit? I could care less what you think of me. You on the Other hand must think an awful lot about what people think of you. Otherwise BoB wouldn't pat itself on the back and try so hard to get people to notice them. It is after all just a game and in the end no matter what you do your just good at a "game". Doesn't sound like much of an accomplishment when it is put that way does it. Heh, I'm just enjoying being able to smack 'tards on the forums again. I'm perfectly aware non of this means anything. At the end of the day, We're still here, your alliance got decimated, and the Nap-train that tried coming straight us failed miserably, and now you and everyone else are looking for anything you can blame at all. You can't beat us? We cheated.. You can't beat us? We used Dev Hax. You can't beat us? Titans are inbalanced.. You can't beat us? We don't have a life.. You can't beat us? Oh well it's just a game anyway.... Tell me you're starting to see the flaws in your logic? Just as you say nothing we ever do will ever be 'not tainted' Nothing you say will as well be 'not tained'. Get off your holy-high-horse. You lost. We won. Get over it. You wanna do something about us? Adapt. 'Til Then, have a great and fabulous day. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
MuthaTrucka Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.05.12 01:20:00 - [134] Originally by: KSUDruid We stopped posting on the forums, cause ASCN said we couldn't win a fight unless we berated the hell out of the enemy on the forums causing schisms and splits within an alliance through propaganda. The previous 90 days I think have proven quite a bit otherwise. As far as T20 cheating, go read what he said. He acted alone, with no assistance from anyone else. That is really not up for debate here, that chapter has happened, written, and over. Sad how you have to dwell on the past cause your present sucks. You stopped posting on the Forums because it was the middle of the forum inquisition against BoB not before. Stop Revising history. Originally by: KSUDruid Please refer to the above. T20 acted alone, what he did has been righted, and accusing us of anything else is just your own insecurities being projected on to someone else. I'll give you a B- for effort though.. a lesser person might have actually believe what you said.. for a few seconds anyway. T20 Admitted to the minimum needed to appease CCP. what anyone would do when trying to keep their job. I don't blame him and I certainly don't blame BoB. I blame CCP's Corporate culture. You trying to derail the Fact that the entire incident Brought a nasty Cloud above BoB is just damage control for revisionist history on the forums. Originally by: KSUDruid Heh, I'm just enjoying being able to smack 'tards on the forums again. I'm perfectly aware non of this means anything. At the end of the day, We're still here, your alliance got decimated, and the Nap-train that tried coming straight us failed miserably, and now you and everyone else are looking for anything you can blame at all. You can't beat us? We cheated.. You can't beat us? We used Dev Hax. You can't beat us? Titans are inbalanced.. You can't beat us? We don't have a life.. You can't beat us? Oh well it's just a game anyway.... Tell me you're starting to see the flaws in your logic? Just as you say nothing we ever do will ever be 'not tainted' Nothing you say will as well be 'not tained'. Get off your holy-high-horse. You lost. We won. Get over it. You wanna do something about us? Adapt. 'Til Then, have a great and fabulous day. Now i did my Best not to bring the ASCN Conflict into this as I was In Kuwait during the whole thing. Other than the end after I got back none of it involved me at all. So therefore I don't care at all whether BoB or ASCN won as I said its a game. One day when you'll come to the realization that other people have opinions and you cannot change them. This thread is nothing more than an opinion Poll about BoB. I happen to disagree with yours. So sad of you to try and devolve this into a WE BEAT YOU NAH NAH conversation. I have adapted, I always will. Till then enjoy your tainted achievements. --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.12 01:26:00 - [135] It's no use explaining the truth to people who intentionally repeat the lies because they prefer the picture painted by the lies. What they don't realize is that their deception works both ways, and just blinds them from seeing what they really need to fight against.
The Tumaril Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.12 01:33:00 - [136] Originally by: Kye Kenshin As for the average BoB member well most are either bored vets or people who find it easier to join the winning team. Its easier to bask in the success of someone else then make your own way. I'm wondering how you justify this? Most of BoB have been around since long before they were seen as unbeatable, and most of the newer members like myself joined when we (BoB) were fighting in their own home systems against some 'rapetrain' and the entire coalition was bragging about their combined might overwhelming BoB. I joined personally cause I saw the chance to fight against extreme odds and get loads of kills. Plus it would give me chances of killing RA capitals. Most of the new blood joined BoB because the coalition were presenting the oppurtunity of a real fight. The only people that can be blamed for trying to join the 'winning side' are those who hopped on the coalition bandwagon. When it looked like BoB may really be in trouble, the real PvPers flocked to her aid because we knew we'd be facing the entire northern and southern coalitions with only a handful of allied alliances to back us up. The difference now is that those that sided with the coalition are now leaving because they realized they picked the wrong f@ck!n side. Be careful of the accusations you make please, they might not be entirely correct. Poor PvPer's flame forums, and Forum Flamers have small epeens!
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.12 01:37:00 - [137] Originally by: KSUDruid Seriously Tyrax, Arguing with you is like listening to someone tell you the sky isn't blue. Scroll up, read what you wrote, get a dictionary, look up the term 'Metaphor' (since you obviously can't be asked to click a link) and then cry yourself to sleep. You're Still Here? It's over... Go Home... Go... I asked you a yes/no question, you don't like the truth so you start crying like a little girl and ranting about metaphors. GG forum warrior, might want to leave the spin to your superiors and take up something less strenuous like blowing up offline spaceships. Quote: Please refer to the above. T20 acted alone, what he did has been righted Hasn't been righted actually and never will, CCP are incapable of doing so and BoB unwilling, not that those BPOs actually made any difference in anything. http://eve.klaki.net/
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.12 01:39:00 - [138] I was gonna respond until this: Originally by: MuthaTrucka I was In Kuwait during the whole thing. In real life, I'm an American citizen, and I salute whatever you were doing over there. For this, you have my utmost respect. However, this is not about real life, this is about EVE, and real life has no place here. You will be getting no further responses from me. We know, that we are in the right. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
papaPadla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.12 01:41:00 - [139] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk The way you found to kill two of them; in Cyvok's case blind luck on your part + probing.$ And in digi's case infiltrating (nothing wrong with that) and then flagrantly abusing faulty game mechanics. In the first case all i can say is: Luck favours the prepared I know that to the untrained eye might seem like an easy task to wait weeks for that fatal mistake and be prepared to strike once that happens but is not... i do believe it takes alot of pacience and discipline and that would be something to be proud of In the second case... i don't understand what you mean by: "then flagrantly abusing faulty game mechanics." activating a damn smartbomb on a ship is faulty game mechanics? i don't getit... not to mention that "abusing" something, would be like the 30 man gang that keeps logofski at every jump so thy don't get engaged... maybe is my poor english that gets me confused but i dont understand what the abuse is... and exactly what are the faulty game mechanics. u kinda remind me of the verry day when the titan was lost... and all caod was full of ppl with no clue explaining what happent... without even knowing IF it happent... explainming how ccp has kept the titan in game for bob to kill, how the titan was targeted inside a pos field and so on. Then D2 comes on and says: well they had us... no faul play was involved... just some old fashioned espionage. And ppl trying to explain that NO d2 is wrong... WE KNOW BETTER. leaving that aside, what killed the d2 titan was the fact that bob was prepared to take advantage of the opportunity, while the d2 fleet wasnt ready to respond. -------------------------------------
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.12 01:47:00 - [140] Edited by: KSUDruid on 12/05/2007 01:45:45 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I asked you a yes/no question, you don't like the truth so you start crying like a little girl and ranting about metaphors. GG forum warrior, might want to leave the spin to your superiors and take up something less strenuous like blowing up offline spaceships. I've already answered your question, several times. You implied that We DDOS'd someone, through the use of a metaphor, comparing our takedown of (two) titans to a DDOS Attack. You compared to unlike things, and showed how they were realated, that is a metaphor. Being the charity minded individual I am, I attempted to help you out with this, by explaining a literary technique you used, provided you a name, and a link for how you could understand it better. Unfortunately I can't be held at fault for your lack of understanding of your own writing. I still wait for your padded resume with all your titan kills that you have. Until then, I don't think you have any room to critique our (proven) method of killing titans. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Hasn't been righted actually and never will, CCP are incapable of doing so and BoB unwilling, not that those BPOs actually made any difference in anything. I'll tell you the same thing I told mutha. It has been rectified, because the authority of this game (CCP) says it's been rectified. You've got a problem with that, take it up with them. Don't like what they did? Then either suck it up and live with it, or cancel your account. Two very simple choices that even someone of your obviously limited understanding should be able to comprehend. (edit: grammar) -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre

MuthaTrucka Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.05.12 01:51:00 - [141] Originally by: KSUDruid I was gonna respond until this: Originally by: MuthaTrucka I was In Kuwait during the whole thing. In real life, I'm an American citizen, and I salute whatever you were doing over there. For this, you have my utmost respect. However, this is not about real life, this is about EVE, and real life has no place here. You will be getting no further responses from me. We know, that we are in the right. Real Life has Plenty to do with Eve or do you forget BoB's little lets Kill Goons over what one of them said about Smokse? I guess that didn't happen either? Revise that. --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.12 02:23:00 - [142] Originally by: KSUDruid Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Hasn't been righted actually and never will, CCP are incapable of doing so and BoB unwilling, not that those BPOs actually made any difference in anything. I'll tell you the same thing I told mutha. It has been rectified, because the authority of this game (CCP) says it's been rectified. You've got a problem with that, take it up with them. Don't like what they did? Then either suck it up and live with it, or cancel your account. Two very simple choices that even someone of your obviously limited understanding should be able to comprehend. (edit: grammar) CCP saying something doesn't make it so, also they have never claimed to have rectified the situation. If you have a problem with that you can quit. Quote: You implied that We DDOS'd someone Prove it. http://eve.klaki.net/
Trigger Sterling Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.05.12 03:08:00 - [143] Originally by: KSUDruid Edited by: KSUDruid on 12/05/2007 01:46:39 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I asked you a yes/no question, you don't like the truth so you start crying like a little girl and ranting about metaphors. GG forum warrior, might want to leave the spin to your superiors and take up something less strenuous like blowing up offline spaceships. I've already answered your question, several times. You implied that We DDOS'd someone, through the use of a metaphor, comparing our takedown of (two) titans to a DDOS Attack. You compared two unlike things, and showed how they were realated, that is a metaphor. Being the charity minded individual I am, I attempted to help you out with this, by explaining a literary technique you used, provided you a name, and a link for how you could understand it better. Unfortunately I can't be held at fault for your lack of understanding of your own writing. I still wait for your padded resume with all your titan kills that you have. Until then, I don't think you have any room to critique our (proven) method of killing titans. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Hasn't been righted actually and never will, CCP are incapable of doing so and BoB unwilling, not that those BPOs actually made any difference in anything. I'll tell you the same thing I told mutha. It has been rectified, because the authority of this game (CCP) says it's been rectified. You've got a problem with that, take it up with them. Don't like what they did? Then either suck it up and live with it, or cancel your account. Two very simple choices that even someone of your obviously limited understanding should be able to comprehend. (edit: grammar) Since you're STILL going on and on and on about this: Having your heart broken is being stabbed in the neck with an ice pick. That's a metaphor. And if for some reason, I have my heart broken, it doesn't mean I was ACTUALLY stabbed in the neck with an ice pick.
Dracolich North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.12 03:09:00 - [144] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Prove it. What a circular argumentation. You brought up the DDOS thing, for either two reasons: 1) That the way they took down the Titan, is on par with DDOSing someones computer. 2) That they actually did this sort of thing to make the pilot go offline, though I find that hard to believe since the Titan pilot have reported no such thing as I remember it. Still, I find the "abusement" of game mechanics to take down the titan a bit lame, just like I find all kinds of such "abusement" lame. Anywhich way, BoB took down 2 Titans, no matter how lame, it was totally legit. However, the same tactic is plausible for all sides, and yet BoB is the only one that have mastered such a plan.
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.12 03:10:00 - [145] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk CCP saying something doesn't make it so, also they have never claimed to have rectified the situation. If you have a problem with that you can quit. Yes It does, it's their game. If it wasn't rectified, they'd take more action. I have no problem with the resolution to what happened, you're the one claiming that we cheat. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Prove it. You said it. Scroll up. It's quite obvious for everyone to read. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.12 03:19:00 - [146] 1. I am not hiding behind an alt, like BoB likes to do a lot lately. 2. BoB is about winning at any cost, regardless of the rules.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.12 03:33:00 - [147] Originally by: KSUDruid Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk CCP saying something doesn't make it so, also they have never claimed to have rectified the situation. If you have a problem with that you can quit. Yes It does, it's their game. If it wasn't rectified, they'd take more action. I have no problem with the resolution to what happened, you're the one claiming that we cheat. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Prove it. You said it. Scroll up. It's quite obvious for everyone to read. Yet you're the only person claiming I implied BoB ddosed someone, no offense to your english major, but you're quite obviously wrong on both counts. CCP went as far as they felt they could, they didn't resolve the situation to anyone's satisfaction except BoB's (apparently) and their own (maybe?) (gee I wonder if there's any bias there) http://eve.klaki.net/
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.12 03:47:00 - [148] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Yet you're the only person claiming I implied BoB ddosed someone, no offense to your english major, but you're quite obviously wrong on both counts. CCP went as far as they felt they could, they didn't resolve the situation to anyone's satisfaction except BoB's (apparently) and their own (maybe?) (gee I wonder if there's any bias there) You implied that our tactics taking down the titan's were equivalant to a DDOS attack/we performed a DDOS attack. We did not perform a DDOS attack, or anything even remotely resembling a DDOS attack. They are nothing alike, therefore your comparison is completely off base, and you are wrong. You said this, Everyone saw it, I quoted it, explained it, it is pointless to try and argue this any further. CCP obviously resolved the situation to their satisfaction, since nothing else has happened. My opinion, your opinion, or really anyone's elses opinion do not matter. If you do not like CCP's response to what happened, tough. Your further implication that "Gee I wonder if there's any bias there" is a continued strike at us for somehow being in Cahoots with CCP, which is also false. You've done nothing that prove that you are nothing but a bitter troll who can't stand bob, can't stand ccp, can't stand other players, and obviously have serious self-esteem and comprehension problems. Now, with that, Goons are actually bringing us some decent fights tonight. I'm going to continue playing in game, and not humour you with any further responses. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Tarkan Kador Amarr PanTarkan Kador Holdings	Posted - 2007.05.12 04:03:00 - [149] BoB doesn't want to work at EVE anymore. They fancy themselves a nobility or a "natural aristocracy" that is too noble for the menial tasks we do. They want others to do their mining, their security, their hauling, and all their day-to-day grind. They want to be called "master," and have flatterers. They want players to pay their own money each month to do BoB's work for BoB, so that BoB can spend their time doing whatever they feel like doing. That's why BoB is all about PvP, and BoB puts all their effort into affecting the players who play this game on a psychological level. Because they know the only reason anyone is going to spend their time willingly doing BoB's work is if they are afraid BoB will go to any length to make the player regret ever signing up to play in the first place. So given the choice of, "pay homage to BoB, and have fun for your sub fees," and, "cross BoB, and kiss your fun goodbye," its understandable why many would simply give BoB whatever they want. The more time and money someone puts into this game, the less likely they'll want to put all of that in jeopardy, when its much easier just to do whatever small thing will make BoB happy.
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.12 04:30:00 - [150] Originally by: papaPadla There are a dozen or more threads where they(coalition) explain in great detail how a titan is overpowered and cannot be killed. What is bob doing? finds a way to kill 2 of these ships interestingly enough, the only way a titan has been killed is when the pilot in the ship is offline. there is not a single entity in this game that has proven (yet) that a titan CAN be killed...that is while its being pilotted by an online player. as said by someone else, killing a logged off ship is less impressive than killing an npc battleship. if the only way a titan can be killed is through the pilot's inability to tell time OR through the ability of spy infiltration...then thats just sad. and to this day remains the only ship in the game that hasnt been killed with an online pilot on the bridge. what peaks my interest even more is after cyvok's loss, it would seem band of brothers accepted the fact that killing a logged on titan is "impossible" and did their best to ensure they could get d2's pilot to log agressed, do it in a way that it was impossible for him to know...and then brague about it. theres only 2 impressive points about the bob titan kills... 1) the ability to tell time and probe out a massive ship... and 2) the ability to infiltrate a spy into an alliance. neither is new, and neither is a bob first. dont take it as smack, its merely my opinion on the kills. everyone in eve is still waiting for the day a frapsed video of a titan thats actually fighting back makes it to the forums, and i would bet when it happens (if its possible), you'll be the first to do it. that or goons via several waves of 200 ships.

Sir MilBanacky Stronghold corp Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.12 07:37:00 - [151] Sabhl, You should request this thread be locked because it is so heavily edited by the ISD stormtroopers that no one could tell you what they felt if they wanted to. unless it was to praise your glory Just for once let a BOB thread run..
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.12 07:56:00 - [152] Originally by: Sabahl What do YOU think the raison d'etre is for what most people believe to be the strongest alliance in the game? The mission of BOB is twofold. On one hand, there is a strong drive to simply outwit and outdo everyone at everything. This is rewarding gameplay, and moreso because it's happening in EVE, which is a fairly unforgiving game to those who lose big. That is the drive that motivates the leadership. On the other hand, the membership wants to fight the biggest battles, the baddest opponents, and gain the status of being the best. They also enjoy projecting an image of invincibility, and given the amount of forum hours devoted to them, it has worked. Even the OP is in tune with the alliance in making this post, "...its your own (mis?)information that we're polling, here." Everything has a purpose, or is made to seem like it does. It's good strategy, fantastic alliance cohesion, and it's enviable. Why do people like BOB enough to fight with them? Because they're by and large very smart, reasonable people who enjoy playing the game and enjoy winning. The 'us vs. everybody' situation makes it pretty fun, too. I still can't believe people put BOB in a situation where they could be viewed as an underdog - do you know how valuable that is? Yeeesh. Why do people hate BOB, actually revile and despise? Because of their previous domination of the forums, because of their string of victories, because many believe BOB leadership was complicit in the t20 scandal, because of the certainty with which they make declarations, which verges on and often becomes outright arrogance (which, even more infuriatingly, is usually justified). I actually don't think BOB has much left to prove.
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.12 09:04:00 - [153] Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 12/05/2007 09:02:22 Originally by: Dracolich Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Prove it. What a circular argumentation. You brought up the DDOS thing, for either two reasons: 1) That the way they took down the Titan, is on par with DDOSing someones computer. 2) That they actually did this sort of thing to make the pilot go offline, though I find that hard to believe since the Titan pilot have reported no such thing as I remember it. Still, I find the "abusement" of game mechanics to take down the titan a bit lame, just like I find all kinds of such "abusement" lame. Anywhich way, BoB took down 2 Titans, no matter how lame, it was totally legit. However, the same tactic is plausible for all sides, and yet BoB is the only one that have mastered such a plan. I'd say something in the region or 95%+ of the alliances in Eve wouldn't stoop to such a level. Most people i know don't think "Hey, lets exploit the aggro timer to get kills" as generally they like to fight for them. Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
Milano II Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.12 09:46:00 - [154] Edited by: Milano II on 12/05/2007 09:46:35 snip I said something bad.
Dracolich North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.12 11:50:00 - [155] In reality BoB wants what the Vikings wanted; loot, rape, captive thralls to afford the next expedition. _____________________________________
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.12 12:34:00 - [156] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 12/05/2007 09:02:22 Originally by: Dracolich Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Prove it. What a circular argumentation. You brought up the DDOS thing, for either two reasons: 1) That the way they took down the Titan, is on par with DDOSing someones computer. 2) That they actually did this sort of thing to make the pilot go offline, though I find that hard to believe since the Titan pilot have reported no such thing as I remember it. Still, I find the "abusement" of game mechanics to take down the titan a bit lame, just like I find all kinds of such "abusement" lame. Anywhich way, BoB took down 2 Titans, no matter how lame, it was totally legit. However, the same tactic is plausible for all sides, and yet BoB is the only one that have mastered such a plan. I'd say something in the region or 95%+ of the alliances in Eve wouldn't stoop to such a level. Most people i know don't think "Hey, lets exploit the aggro timer to get kills" as generally they like to fight for them. The only problem with this use of statistics is that you neglected to point out that only one Alliance has ever tried (and succeeded) taking down a Titan, otherwise we'd see more alliances 'stooping' to this level. We all know the issue with the Titans here is not how BoB went about killing them (the first using game mechanics, the second using legit alt spies), but that the Titan is a ship in a position that makes it next to impossible to kill in a normal fight. Sadly, for BoB, if an opponent alliance titan was caught and engaged and couldn't get out of the fight, we'd see the pilot probably logoffski. And that would be a legitimate tactic at the moment. Titans are obviously the height of discussion these days and currently, it's next to impossible to kill them. BoB and Digi used legitimate tactics to do something everybody else hasn't/can't. Unsavoury and un-warriorlike it may be, but this does not diminish the fact that BoB are the only alliance to have thought out and implemented a tactic to kill a Titan (at the date of this post going to press, btw). Good girls go to Heaven. Bad girls get drunk and pew pew in Delve.
Blue Elektra	Posted - 2007.05.12 12:41:00 - [157] I believe BoB's goal was to beat ASCN, they did that, now there drifting. UKC to be Char
Draconiss Gallente AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.05.12 13:10:00 - [158] Originally by: KSUDruid Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk You're proud of BoB's titan kills ? They were both pathetic. So would it be a huge accomplishment if someone in coalition did a DDOS attack on Molle's home computer and blew Shrike's avatar up ? There's very little difference between that and what BoB "accomplished". Excuse Me? What the hell does a DDOS attack have anything to do with how we killed the previous titans? Are you really claiming we performed a DDOS attack on the titan pilots? Got Proof? No? I thought not, now shut your damn mouth and quit making idiotic accusations. We killed the two titans, fair and square. Period. Has Anyone else? No.. Seriously dude, if you want to know detail for detail HOW we killed the two titans we did, I'll be happy to entertain your convo and spell it out in perfect detail. NOTHING we did was outside the game rules. Sneaking alts into corporations to do things are perfectly legal game mechanics (you of all people should be talking considering your history) and both titans were killed, completely within game mechanics. If they weren't, CCP would have called foul. Nothing will ever appease you idiots like you, will it.. you really can't stand all that we pulled something off that couldn't even wrap your mind around without resorting to cheatz0rs/hax0rz/devz0rs/ddosz0rs.. give me a damn break... ya ya killed 2 titians by using alt spys & borderline game mechanic exploit you should be proud ...and your post is exactly why I cant stand bob ..and what is a spy ...a person who gains trust in another corp ...then backstabbs that corp ...& how do you go about gaining that trust ..by forgeing frendships ...which your spy then betrays .... And what I dont get is why you resort to such taticts if ya are all such great pvp`ers .. BOB as an entity in EVE as brought nothing to better the gamming experance ...BoB is nothing more than a cancer spreading through EVE & I think you will prob kill EVE befor EVE can destroy you
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.12 13:27:00 - [159] Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien (the first using game mechanics, the second using legit alt spies) The second was a far worse abuse of game mechanics than the first since they intentionally created the aggro so they could kill another offline titan, abusing CCP's shoddy UI which doesn't warn you if you have aggro or not (it's supposed to do so) Infiltration and espionage are perfectly legitimate, abusing blatantly flawed game mechanics isn't. At least in Cyvok's case they only took advantage of a hole he dug for himself, they didn't intentionally force the aggro on him without him having any way of knowing about it. http://eve.klaki.net/
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.12 13:49:00 - [160] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien (the first using game mechanics, the second using legit alt spies) The second was a far worse abuse of game mechanics than the first since they intentionally created the aggro so they could kill another offline titan, abusing CCP's shoddy UI which doesn't warn you if you have aggro or not (it's supposed to do so) Infiltration and espionage are perfectly legitimate, abusing blatantly flawed game mechanics isn't. Logging off in combat is also a legitimate 'tactic' to avoid combat, at the moment. I suppose it all comes down to how willing you are to use ingame mechanics to 'win'. Competitive games come down to winning, so don't even come the "not everyone's in to win" card so many others (not necessarily yourself, although, let's look at the last tourny...) Maybe that's why you won't/can't kill a Titan, Tyrrax. You look down on BoB's use of those tactics, while BoB looks down on logoffski to avoid combat, iirc. I'm not implying you use logoffski, btw. I don't use implication outside of the Summit. I prefer straight speaking in CAOD. Good girls go to Heaven. Bad girls get drunk and pew pew in Delve.

Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.12 14:08:00 - [161] Chances are that once BoB loses a Titan to simular events, it'll get reimbursed and the ones killing it being banned for using exploits. Anyone ever tried to kill an online Titan before? Guess what, it's not possible without abuse of flawed game mechanics... Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Ribbo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.12 14:20:00 - [162] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Chances are that once BoB loses a Titan to simular events, it'll get reimbursed and the ones killing it being banned for using exploits. Anyone ever tried to kill an online Titan before? Guess what, it's not possible without abuse of flawed game mechanics... there there astarte, it's not fair is it? it's just not fair.. uncle ribbo will make it better for you, you've had a tough few months, with loosing your home that you dont want to defend, with BoB being "invincible" with just one more "undestroyable" titan than what your side have (despite iron not wanting to fight bob, but kill bob "allies" ) it's tough being you guys.. but hey, chin up at least your fighting for it eh! Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) - fanboi'ing eve-celebrities the world over.
Commander Solo Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.05.12 14:43:00 - [163] Ribbo is sexy.
Astarte Nosferatu Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.12 15:06:00 - [164] Originally by: Ribbo Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Chances are that once BoB loses a Titan to simular events, it'll get reimbursed and the ones killing it being banned for using exploits. Anyone ever tried to kill an online Titan before? Guess what, it's not possible without abuse of flawed game mechanics... there there astarte, it's not fair is it? it's just not fair.. uncle ribbo will make it better for you, you've had a tough few months, with loosing your home that you dont want to defend, with BoB being "invincible" with just one more "undestroyable" titan than what your side have (despite iron not wanting to fight bob, but kill bob "allies" ) it's tough being you guys.. but hey, chin up at least your fighting for it eh! No point trying to belittle me, I've got used to all the childish smack BoB members seem the spew out all the time. The name related jokes are the worst though. Anyways, lay off the chestbeating, it's not really suiting for an alliance that's known to have cheating devs in it. You wouldn't have been able to come this far without having Devs spawn T2 BPO's for you and giving you game information normal paying customers don't have access to. Not to mention the GM's who will look the other way everytime BoB uses exploits and flawed mechanics to kill Titans. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.12 15:17:00 - [165] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu ...flawed mechanics to kill Titans. These are the same flawed mechanics you, I, and every other person in Eve plays by. Good girls go to Heaven. Bad girls get drunk and pew pew in Delve.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.12 15:17:00 - [166] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk The second was a far worse abuse of game mechanics than the first since they intentionally created the aggro so they could kill another offline titan, abusing CCP's shoddy UI which doesn't warn you if you have aggro or not (it's supposed to do so) The game informs you if you are attacked. Sometimes the user decides to turn off their messages. How is that the attackers fault? That is like a truck driver moaning about getting caught for speeding after removing the speed limiter, and then blaming it on the truck company. Personal responsibility still matters. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.12 15:18:00 - [167] Edited by: Proxay on 12/05/2007 15:16:09 Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: Ribbo Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Chances are that once BoB loses a Titan to simular events, it'll get reimbursed and the ones killing it being banned for using exploits. Anyone ever tried to kill an online Titan before? Guess what, it's not possible without abuse of flawed game mechanics... there there astarte, it's not fair is it? it's just not fair.. uncle ribbo will make it better for you, you've had a tough few months, with loosing your home that you dont want to defend, with BoB being "invincible" with just one more "undestroyable" titan than what your side have (despite iron not wanting to fight bob, but kill bob "allies" ) it's tough being you guys.. but hey, chin up at least your fighting for it eh! No point trying to belittle me, I've got used to all the childish smack BoB members seem the spew out all the time. The name related jokes are the worst though. Anyways, lay off the chestbeating, it's not really suiting for an alliance that's known to have cheating devs in it. You wouldn't have been able to come this far without having Devs spawn T2 BPO's for you and giving you game information normal paying customers don't have access to. Not to mention the GM's who will look the other way everytime BoB uses exploits and flawed mechanics to kill Titans. Conspiracy and random accusations
The Tumaril Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.12 15:24:00 - [168] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 12/05/2007 09:02:22 Originally by: Dracolich Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Prove it. What a circular argumentation. You brought up the DDOS thing, for either two reasons: 1) That the way they took down the Titan, is on par with DDOSing someones computer. 2) That they actually did this sort of thing to make the pilot go offline, though I find that hard to believe since the Titan pilot have reported no such thing as I remember it. Still, I find the "abusement" of game mechanics to take down the titan a bit lame, just like I find all kinds of such "abusement" lame. Anywhich way, BoB took down 2 Titans, no matter how lame, it was totally legit. However, the same tactic is plausible for all sides, and yet BoB is the only one that have mastered such a plan. I'd say something in the region or 95%+ of the alliances in Eve wouldn't stoop to such a level. Most people i know don't think "Hey, lets exploit the aggro timer to get kills" as generally they like to fight for them. I find this last part pretty difficult to believe. I find it hard to understand how peeps can blame BoB for taking advantage of one titan pilot's ignorance to destroy a ship. Now I personaly think this is just some attempt to not look like n00bs in front of everyone by claiming that 'OMG! BoB killed a Titan and we can't! Must be devhaxors!!!' Why do you guys complain so much about getting beaten all the time? If we lose a fight we just say 'Damn, we screwed up, now how do we fix it?' then next time we make it work. Quit all the whining and just start trying to win. There is no such thing as honor or fairness in real war, believe me I would know, so why should it be any different here? Adapt and overcome chaps, adapt and overcome. Poor PvPer's flame forums, and Forum Flamers have small epeens!
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.12 15:55:00 - [169] Originally by: The Tumaril Adapt and overcome chaps, adapt and overcome. You should listen to your own mantra. If you don't want people calling you cheats then perhaps you should try and clean your act up. You were accused of having DEVs helping you..it turned out to be true. POS shields were flawed, you guys take advantage of it. After a lonnngg time..a patch is introduced concerning shields and PW. Now you use Titans to warp into a POS and knock ships out. (yes Shrike and Chow are the only ones doing this) You even defend the killing of offline ships, and claim it as a great pvp victory. It seems you will always bend the rules to get an advantage, and your "we are just in it for the good fights" will always fall on deaf ears. Adapt and overcome your image of cheaters. Sig removed...coz like, you know sometimes I pirate...no, not pirating..err defending the gurista..yes that's the one
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.12 16:10:00 - [170] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 12/05/2007 15:59:50 Originally by: The Tumaril Adapt and overcome chaps, adapt and overcome. You should listen to your own mantra. If you don't want people calling you cheats then perhaps you should try and clean your act up. You were accused of having DEVs helping you..it turned out to be true. POS shields were flawed, you guys take advantage of it. After a lonnngg time..a patch is introduced concerning shields and PW. Now you use Titans to warp into a POS and knock ships out. (yes Shrike and Chow are the only ones doing this) You even defend the killing of offline ships, and claim it as a great pvp victory. It seems you will always bend the rules to get an advantage, and your "we are just in it for the good fights" will always fall on deaf ears. Adapt and overcome your image of cheaters. Edit: since you seem to flame a lot, you might want to change your own sig Why don't you just quit EVE now so there's less lag.

Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.12 16:14:00 - [171] Originally by: Moonlight Express Why don't you just quit EVE now so there's less lag. Typical response from BOB... They just shout tinfoil, or type whaa whaa whaa....why did I think for a second they could accept criticism Sig removed...coz like, you know sometimes I pirate...no, not pirating..err defending the gurista..yes that's the one
Uuve Savisaalo Rage and Terror	Posted - 2007.05.12 17:26:00 - [172] the goal is total victory over all potential opposition, complete subjugation of all conquerable space and the bringing into effect rules amongst the vassal states that will keep anyone other than bob-affiliates from building supercapitals or moon-mining some of the more rare component material. In effect this gives bob ability to decide who gets to have capital fleets or not really. Opposition past the point of losing everything is in fact possible, but you have one central entity controlling much of the tech2 construction, all supercapital construction and availability, all direct access to faction and officer modules and very tight regulation of their property to those who are not themselves - even their vassals are forbidden from mnining and manufacturing certain things under penalty of armed ejection, and even today they spend much of their time forcebly-removing tennants who fail/refuse to pay for whatever reason. In the unlikely event of their complete success their bandwagon is likely to grow considerably, turning their conquest into a prolonged, sustained market hegemony.
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2007.05.12 17:36:00 - [173] Originally by: Sabahl What exactly is it that BoB want in the game? Here is what I heard. BoB was formed by ccp types (not employees but people with connections to them) to be an example of what could be achieved in the game with a bit of dedication, i.e. this is what you can do in the game if you try. Now I think its just a load of people who wanted to jump on an i-win bandwagon either for ego/epeen purposes or just to have a load of victories in a game thats otherwise got pretty boring for them.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.12 17:46:00 - [174] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Moonlight Express Why don't you just quit EVE now so there's less lag. Typical response from BOB... They just shout tinfoil, or type whaa whaa whaa....why did I think for a second they could accept criticism Typical response with anyone that does not agree with coalition. BoB alt, cheat, hex, not fair, whaaaa. Expected and proved right time after time after time.
Alexi Borizkova Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.05.12 17:55:00 - [175] It has always been my understanding that bob's ultimate long term goal was to conquer all of eve. In posts from back around their founding, key leadership members always commented as such, and one specific post, I think it was dbpreacher, said something that stuck out in my mind ever since. To paraphrase: "Our goal is to take over all 0.0, it's not a realistic goal. I don't think anyone could. But we've got where we are now by setting unreasonable goals, and throwing everything we have at them. Pursuing this will be the greatest challenge in eve, and one we look forward to." Back then it wasn't a realistic goal, really. I believe it was before sov mechanics and pos wars, when station ping pong was the order of the day and noone could realistically have enough men on the ground to defend a very big empire. Things have changed over time, and the goal became more and more realistic. I may only have at best a couple dozen guys with me, but I don't want to submit to any kind of order like that, what fun would that be, and if nothing else we'll be a tiny speed bump of content in a grand quest to conquer the universe. Like npcs, but with better loot.
Sturlasson Amarrian Missionaires	Posted - 2007.05.12 17:55:00 - [176] Wish I could understand what BOB's goals/reasons to play are these days. A while ago I would have said (in prioritated order) a) Have fun - get good pvp actions b) Get respected as honourable and good (best) pvp alliance c) Fight against the odds, coming out on top. Now. Well, I just don't know. To me it seems like you've lowered yourself into going too far in many directions using (to me) unhonourable methods to gaining advantages on your enemies. I can't really see how that complies with any of the things I mentioned before. Can't see how you get much fun in the mass blob fights. Nor can I see where the fun is in DD'ing a hostile fleet and then pick out the few remaining targets with a better trained AND bigger fleet. Sure - you win the fight - but is it FUN? Fair or not fair - getting respected as a good AND honourable alliance... I just don't see that happening. Partially due to the GM thingy (which I personally don't think its fair to blame BOB for) but more due to the tactics used to down the titans, the bowling games, TS spies and other spies. As for figthing against odds... Yes, initially you did. By using earlier mentioned you have worn down enough of your opponents (by reducing/removing their fun factor) enough to tip the odds. Personally I believe BOB will win the war - a lot due to their enemies inability to form an effective way of cooperating both regarding attacks and defenses. Unfortunately BOB will also have lost the moment they win, along with everyone but mission runners and empire dwellers.
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.12 18:01:00 - [177] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr I'd say something in the region or 95%+ of the alliances in Eve wouldn't stoop to such a level. Most people i know don't think "Hey, lets exploit the aggro timer to get kills" as generally they like to fight for them. Fight Red Alliance a bit before you make that statement.
Antigen Po legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.12 18:10:00 - [178] Well since you asked for honest replies. It seems to me that BoB wants to take control of all of 0.0 either directly or indirectly. They want to 'win' eve. Unfortunately if they ever reach the point where this happens, where one entity controls sovereignty rights to the whole map, eve will be dead as a game. Thats the main difference I see between the coalition and BoB. If the coalition wins the war the members, who are past enemies, seem ready to reset standings on one another, and eve will return to the same state of perpetual regional warfare that it was meant to be. If BoB wins, well who knows what the result will be. But if its not some kind of standing reset, then eve will be a different game than it has been up until now, and not in a better way. Thats honestly my own opinion, and I think its the opinion of a lot of people in the coalition who decided to set aside differences to fight BoB.
The Tumaril Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.12 18:41:00 - [179] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 12/05/2007 15:59:50 Originally by: The Tumaril Adapt and overcome chaps, adapt and overcome. You should listen to your own mantra. If you don't want people calling you cheats then perhaps you should try and clean your act up. You were accused of having DEVs helping you..it turned out to be true. POS shields were flawed, you guys take advantage of it. After a lonnngg time..a patch is introduced concerning shields and PW. Now you use Titans to warp into a POS and knock ships out. (yes Shrike and Chow are the only ones doing this) You even defend the killing of offline ships, and claim it as a great pvp victory. It seems you will always bend the rules to get an advantage, and your "we are just in it for the good fights" will always fall on deaf ears. Adapt and overcome your image of cheaters. Edit: since you seem to flame a lot, you might want to change your own sig I see my helpful advice has been takin as flaming, isn't flaming attacking one person's personal post with a load of insults and gibberish? Haven't really gotten to post on the forums all that much, perhaps you could explain this to me some more from your more experienced position? In regards to the whole cheating thing, I wasn't in BoB for pretty much all of these major issues, in fact I really don't know very much about them. All I know is that since I've been in I've never seen any BPO's gettin spawned or peeps shootin through shields. So, I can't really consider myself a cheater... Don't know why you chaps make such a big deal about the POS bowling now, if you hadn't noticed, this has been going on a long time. Believe there was a thread about a carrier gettin stolen or somethin... if you don't want ships gettin knocked out of a POS, put them in a ship array, or don't leave them in the open until CCP decided to fix the 'issue' or not. (look, more helpful advice) I don't recall saying anything against the people calling us cheaters, I simply stated that if you don't like us, come do somethin about us. I believe I said stop all the whining, not stop calling us cheaters. Do plz inform me if this is considered flaming too, just want to make sure I'm not breaking my own rules here. Poor PvPer's flame forums, and Forum Flamers have small epeens!
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.12 18:59:00 - [180] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 12/05/2007 09:02:22 Originally by: Dracolich Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Prove it. What a circular argumentation. You brought up the DDOS thing, for either two reasons: 1) That the way they took down the Titan, is on par with DDOSing someones computer. 2) That they actually did this sort of thing to make the pilot go offline, though I find that hard to believe since the Titan pilot have reported no such thing as I remember it. Still, I find the "abusement" of game mechanics to take down the titan a bit lame, just like I find all kinds of such "abusement" lame. Anywhich way, BoB took down 2 Titans, no matter how lame, it was totally legit. However, the same tactic is plausible for all sides, and yet BoB is the only one that have mastered such a plan. I'd say something in the region or 95%+ of the alliances in Eve wouldn't stoop to such a level. Most people i know don't think "Hey, lets exploit the aggro timer to get kills" as generally they like to fight for them. It wasn't a case of exploiting anything other than someones stupidity, twice. BoB vs the coalition of family value's

Havras The Syndicate Inc DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.05.12 20:47:00 - [181] Originally by: fire 59 It wasn't a case of exploiting anything other than someones stupidity, twice. Yeah.. it was really stupid of him not to expect to be hit with a smartbomb by a corpmate(spy) inside his POS when he went to log. Come on Fire... sheesh
BobGhengisKhan Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.05.12 21:11:00 - [182] The way the first titan was killed was funny. The way the second titan was killed was hilarious, but that doesn't mean it was any less silly. The phrase hate the game not the playa has already been used, but it must be said again. With every new patch and every new feature that is implemented comes new innovation on how to turn it into your advantage. That's what it is all about, innovation. New ideas on which to destroy your enemy. I know what it's like coming up with new "borderline" tactics in which to kill other players. You push your boundaries and see how far you can go until the godly hand of CCP intervenes. What DigitalCommunist did is nothing new, while at the same time, something innovative. He came up with a creative way in which to destroy his enemy. Get used to the fact that there never was nor going to be a "golden age" of pvp where everyone is on a fair playing field. Oh, and give props to the people who actually come up with new ideas, not just those who sit on the forums and act tough by reiterating
Blind Man Kemono.	Posted - 2007.05.12 21:18:00 - [183] Edited by: Blind Man on 12/05/2007 21:16:41 to win EvE ofc (in no way a bad thing btw )
Mungad Caldari Prox XII Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.13 01:22:00 - [184] Bob just wants to have fun.... _____________________________ Mommy, mommy that bad man Jim Lovell said a potty word and it hurt my ears.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.13 02:01:00 - [185] Originally by: The Tumaril I see my helpful advice has been takin as flaming, isn't flaming attacking one person's personal post with a load of insults and gibberish? Haven't really gotten to post on the forums all that much, perhaps you could explain this to me some more from your more experienced position? In regards to the whole cheating thing, I wasn't in BoB for pretty much all of these major issues, in fact I really don't know very much about them. All I know is that since I've been in I've never seen any BPO's gettin spawned or peeps shootin through shields. So, I can't really consider myself a cheater... Don't know why you chaps make such a big deal about the POS bowling now, if you hadn't noticed, this has been going on a long time. Believe there was a thread about a carrier gettin stolen or somethin... if you don't want ships gettin knocked out of a POS, put them in a ship array, or don't leave them in the open until CCP decided to fix the 'issue' or not. (look, more helpful advice) I don't recall saying anything against the people calling us cheaters, I simply stated that if you don't like us, come do somethin about us. I believe I said stop all the whining, not stop calling us cheaters. Do plz inform me if this is considered flaming too, just want to make sure I'm not breaking my own rules here. When I posted that, I expected the usual childish response from people like moonlight, but I thought some BOB mains would come out and flame me too. For some reason you chose to be civil in your own post. Believe me, I completely understand that 90% of the BOB alliance are as fed up as the rest of us with accusations of underhand tactics. But if you don't like the label of the past, then WHY do you keep doing these things... Don't wait for a patch to fix POS bowling...err just stop doing it. Some of your allies, for example Dark Shikari, show great integrity. Plex bugs... From the looks of it, the thing BOB wants most, is some kind of acknowledgment of their success...but without respect, you will never get it. It is far too easy for people like me to point at your cheating past, and your bending of the game mechanics in the present. I am sure Tumaril, that you yourself play this game because you enjoy it. I don't log off in combat, I don't aggro wrecks to kill a logger, I don't scam the markets. Just because those things are possible, doesn't mean we have to do it. This is the perception of BOB, you will cross every line to get what you want. You can claim all the space you like, but the goal you will never achieve is removing the tag of cheater so long as you bend the rules. Sig removed...coz like, you know sometimes I pirate...no, not pirating..err defending the gurista..yes that's the one
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.05.13 02:04:00 - [186] Edited by: DubanFP on 13/05/2007 02:05:13 What does Bob want/thinking of? In the immortal words of Jeff Foxworthy on what men are really thinking... Originally by: Jeff Foxworthy I want a beer and to see somthin' Naked! ____________ DubanFP > where ever there is a player that's getting too rich, wherever there's an industrial with too much loot, wherever there is a noob with too much smack we'll be there...
Veras Mendacity Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.05.13 08:05:00 - [187] Saying that BoB wants to control all of 0.0 does not go far enough. You need to walk that out another step. If BoB controls all of 0.0, then they control the minerals that can only be found there and essentially they gain control of an on/off switch for all production everywhere. That means every player in the game, from day 1, would be working for BoB. The game cannot exist if everyone who plays is essentially working for an omnipotent, indestructible superpower. Current players would cancel their subscriptions and there would be no new players to take their place. And that would bring about "phase four." Reset to zero. CCP would be forced to blow up the universe (again) and send us all someplace else to start anew. For a group of players to become so powerful that they not only beat the game but beat the developers by being too good for the game program would be an unheard of achievement -- and that, I believe, is the trophy BoB's leaders want on their mantle. Taking over 0.0 is not the goal. It is the means for achieving metagaming victory.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.13 08:15:00 - [188] Originally by: Veras Mendacity Saying that BoB wants to control all of 0.0 does not go far enough. You're quite right, we want empire space as well. Blog
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.13 08:22:00 - [189] Originally by: Veras Mendacity Saying that BoB wants to control all of 0.0 does not go far enough. You need to walk that out another step. If BoB controls all of 0.0, then they control the minerals that can only be found there and essentially they gain control of an on/off switch for all production everywhere. That means every player in the game, from day 1, would be working for BoB. The game cannot exist if everyone who plays is essentially working for an omnipotent, indestructible superpower. Current players would cancel their subscriptions and there would be no new players to take their place. And that would bring about "phase four." Reset to zero. CCP would be forced to blow up the universe (again) and send us all someplace else to start anew. For a group of players to become so powerful that they not only beat the game but beat the developers by being too good for the game program would be an unheard of achievement -- and that, I believe, is the trophy BoB's leaders want on their mantle. Taking over 0.0 is not the goal. It is the means for achieving metagaming victory. Maybe they will let us have a go on the chinese server afterwards.
Bienurdau Hywoaf Minmatar Matari Holo News Network	Posted - 2007.05.13 10:23:00 - [190] The BoB leadership are narcissists. They suffer from extreme egoism and egocentrism. Their outlook is short sighted and self interested. They are concerned with BoB above the good of EVE as a whole. Their stated goal of taking all of 0.0 and Empire, is one that would destroy EVE, even as it has destroyed the Chinese server. BoB's leadership doesn't care about that though, all they care about is being able to brag to their friends (most of whom already play) how great they were in a game. Idea: Treaties Idea: Jump Rigs

Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.13 10:27:00 - [191] Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf The BoB leadership are narcissists. They suffer from extreme egoism and egocentrism. Their outlook is short sighted and self interested. They are concerned with BoB above the good of EVE as a whole. Their stated goal of taking all of 0.0 and Empire, is one that would destroy EVE, even as it has destroyed the Chinese server. BoB's leadership doesn't care about that though, all they care about is being able to brag to their friends (most of whom already play) how great they were in a game. Go stop us then. No seriously, if that's what you feel then put all that pent up energy into stopping us. And being a forum warrior doesn't count in this regard. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: Sama
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.13 10:31:00 - [192] Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf The BoB leadership are narcissists. They suffer from extreme egoism and egocentrism. Their outlook is short sighted and self interested. They are concerned with BoB above the good of EVE as a whole. Their stated goal of taking all of 0.0 and Empire, is one that would destroy EVE, even as it has destroyed the Chinese server. BoB's leadership doesn't care about that though, all they care about is being able to brag to their friends (most of whom already play) how great they were in a game. Yeah, you got us, fair cop. We certainly see the complete control of all of Eve as a short term aim, and we haven't really thought much further ahead than that. Not only that, we see no reason why we couldn't acheive this all by, say, next thursday .. around lunchtime? Well, certainly before afternoon tea. After that our out of game timetable is a little more controversial. We are currently trying to prioritise between solving global warming, or bringing world peace. Personally I am in favour of sorting global warming by late summer, leaving world peace until Christmas, but others disagree. After that, by no later than March 2008, we will have begun the colonisation of the moon. We will use that as a jump-off point for our colonisation of Mars 6 months later. I'm not really sure what comes after that ... maybe another MMOG? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
elohllird Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.13 10:35:00 - [193] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf The BoB leadership are narcissists. They suffer from extreme egoism and egocentrism. Their outlook is short sighted and self interested. They are concerned with BoB above the good of EVE as a whole. Their stated goal of taking all of 0.0 and Empire, is one that would destroy EVE, even as it has destroyed the Chinese server. BoB's leadership doesn't care about that though, all they care about is being able to brag to their friends (most of whom already play) how great they were in a game. Yeah, you got us, fair cop. We certainly see the complete control of all of Eve as a short term aim, and we haven't really thought much further ahead than that. Not only that, we see no reason why we couldn't acheive this all by, say, next thursday .. around lunchtime? Well, certainly before afternoon tea. After that our out of game timetable is a little more controversial. We are currently trying to prioritise between solving global warming, or bringing world peace. Personally I am in favour of sorting global warming by late summer, leaving world peace until Christmas, but others disagree. After that, by no later than March 2008, we will have begun the colonisation of the moon. We will use that as a jump-off point for our colonisation of Mars 6 months later. I'm not really sure what comes after that ... maybe another MMOG?
Bienurdau Hywoaf Minmatar Matari Holo News Network	Posted - 2007.05.13 10:39:00 - [194] Originally by: Nifel Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf The BoB leadership are narcissists. They suffer from extreme egoism and egocentrism. Their outlook is short sighted and self interested. They are concerned with BoB above the good of EVE as a whole. Their stated goal of taking all of 0.0 and Empire, is one that would destroy EVE, even as it has destroyed the Chinese server. BoB's leadership doesn't care about that though, all they care about is being able to brag to their friends (most of whom already play) how great they were in a game. Go stop us then. No seriously, if that's what you feel then put all that pent up energy into stopping us. And being a forum warrior doesn't count in this regard. Why bother? I'm only for BoB losing the war because I realize the danger to EVE as a whole if you win all of 0.0. Within 3 months of that the main server would match China's in traffic. Its not in the game's best interest for a small group to control a large amount of area. The problem is that really speaking under current game mechanics there is little to stop you especially for someone of my age. We simply do not have the skill points or resources to noticeably affect BoB. The only real people that have a chance to stop you would be the forces in the south and south east, that are allied to Red Alliance. The North really never posed a significant danger to BoB. I only hope RED is using the time wisely that you've wasted by having MC attack the North. Idea: Treaties Idea: Jump Rigs
Endeva Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.13 10:48:00 - [195] ccp promised us if we get 0.0 under control we will get jove empire:P
Ashen Brarn Evolution	Posted - 2007.05.13 10:49:00 - [196] Edited by: Ashen Brarn on 13/05/2007 10:49:25 Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf The North really never posed a significant danger to BoB. When did you change your mind? Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf Whatever happens and I'm still pretty sure in the end at this point BoB is going to lose most if not all of its current space, as will most of its allies. Your news network wasn't working then, it's not working now.
Bienurdau Hywoaf Minmatar Matari Holo News Network	Posted - 2007.05.13 10:59:00 - [197] Originally by: Ashen Brarn Edited by: Ashen Brarn on 13/05/2007 10:49:25 Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf The North really never posed a significant danger to BoB. When did you change your mind? Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf Whatever happens and I'm still pretty sure in the end at this point BoB is going to lose most if not all of its current space, as will most of its allies. Your news network wasn't working then, it's not working now. Wars not over now :) I didn't consider the North the major threat then to BoB, the major threat always has been RA. The loss of the Evoke corps hurt the North, but at the same time BoB and allies are spreading to the point that your gonna have trouble defending such a large space from those that actually can hurt you. I kinda gave up on my news agency because pretty much I couldn't get anyone to give me interviews on any side of the war ever since the 87 region war ended :(. So I've mostly just studied the game and what is good or bad for the game as a whole and commented appropriately. Idea: Treaties Idea: Jump Rigs
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.13 11:03:00 - [198] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf The BoB leadership are narcissists. They suffer from extreme egoism and egocentrism. Their outlook is short sighted and self interested. They are concerned with BoB above the good of EVE as a whole. Their stated goal of taking all of 0.0 and Empire, is one that would destroy EVE, even as it has destroyed the Chinese server. BoB's leadership doesn't care about that though, all they care about is being able to brag to their friends (most of whom already play) how great they were in a game. Yeah, you got us, fair cop. We certainly see the complete control of all of Eve as a short term aim, and we haven't really thought much further ahead than that. Not only that, we see no reason why we couldn't acheive this all by, say, next thursday .. around lunchtime? Well, certainly before afternoon tea. After that our out of game timetable is a little more controversial. We are currently trying to prioritise between solving global warming, or bringing world peace. Personally I am in favour of sorting global warming by late summer, leaving world peace until Christmas, but others disagree. After that, by no later than March 2008, we will have begun the colonisation of the moon. We will use that as a jump-off point for our colonisation of Mars 6 months later. I'm not really sure what comes after that ... maybe another MMOG? Welcome back http://eve.klaki.net/
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.13 11:12:00 - [199] This is just ridiculous, BoB controlling all of the market aswell? do any of you actually think it could get that far... they arent large enough to cover half of 0.0 let alone all of it, they simply dont have the logisitics, the most they could ever hope for would be to set up pets all over eve but that wont happen cos pets dont last long.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.13 11:22:00 - [200] The fun and achievement is not in the goal itself, but in the route there. I've seen only one person in this thread that mentioned this in particular. As far as I'm concerned, he's won the thread. [center] Old blog

Leandra Anor Minmatar Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.13 11:38:00 - [201] Originally by: Grimster BoB wants Cookies cAKe and Pie, but CCP wouldn't allow it. Hence BoB. Then they should have talked to me! Baking FTW! ______________________________________________ ~And YES already... I am a RL female gamer!!~
Leandra Anor Minmatar Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.13 11:48:00 - [202] Seriously tho.. BoB wants pew pew. From what I've seen and heard they don't seem to care how they get it. I think that conquering 0.0 is something they see as a challenge and COULD be great fun. I too was under the delusion that if they conquered 0.0 then the game would be dead as we know it. A friend of mine gave me another idea tho.... BoB can MAYBE take all of 0.0, but there will always be those of us that will fight the tyranny in whatever way we can! As I've said in a previous post.... I've always loved Star Wars.... Just call me Princess Leia as I lead some attacks against the evil BoB Empire! (we can call Sir Molle Emperor Molle grin) ______________________________________________ ~And YES already... I am a RL female gamer!!~
USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.13 18:23:00 - [203] I don't think there is anything bob can accomplish that wasn't already done already. Technically, they have reached the end game already unless they want to unit all of Eve under the BoB flag. Welcome Axis (BoB) & Allies (Rest) of eve hehehehe... command & conquer hehehe um what other game title can we use here hehe...
Jtbenns Gallente QUANT Corp. Southern Connection	Posted - 2007.05.13 18:35:00 - [204] they are just playing the game... nough said...
ChalSto The Galactic Empire Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.05.13 21:59:00 - [205] Originally by: Laythun and what would the game be without goodie goodie europeans Just a side note: You¦ll wonder how many europeans are in BoB or on their side Okok......a corp called "Galactic Empire" and on the "good" side sounds strange....but we are.....belive us......we have cookies and stuff. Evil will allways triumph, becouse Good is dumb
Spoon Thumb Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.05.13 22:04:00 - [206] I've been told by friends in BoB that they play to pvp and they play to win. Ultimately that goal is met when all 0.0 is controlled by them or their vassals. The worst thing for BoB is if no one wanted to fight them Khaldari Research Services KPA Recruiting!
Ferreus Malukar The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.14 12:24:00 - [207] It's not necessary to tell what I first heard about BoB, when I was told about the D2-BoB war right after I became member of the X-Trading Corp. Surely you can imagine, but I agree with what Flinx Evenstar wrote. I honestly would like to know what BoBs plans are. Will you stop conquering some time, or go on until 0.0 is completely yours? Will you put it to a good use? Maybe BoB will like to act as a 5th fraction - enforce laws, do politics, encourage economy (for the good of EvE, not by completely dominating it), doing anti-pirate campaigns (nice small scale PvP) and open 0.0 to less PvP-oriented players or something like this. But BoB's reputation makes it hard to imagine things like that which serve the EvE-experience of all players. Or maybe BoB will just enlarge its Empire/nonBoB frontier to maximize the probability to get attacked somewhere, to expect never ending battles (while more and more players quit EvE). IMHO most likely, they will just go on conquering 0.0 (they're used to it) until they break up for whatever reason. Maybe not until 0.0 is completely BoB space, but I don't really think this is possible as there will always be some 0.0 (re)beginners which will have to serve as wartargets. Maybe it would not all be such displeasing if BoB wouldn't ever again and again confirm its reputation as an evil empire. :( --- This is my main. There are many like it but this one is mine. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my main is useless. Without my main I am useless.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 12:30:00 - [208] I want to be NOAH Very soon me, myself and I ------>
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.14 12:53:00 - [209] Originally by: Rod Blaine The fun and achievement is not in the goal itself, but in the route there. I don't know about you, but the more people join on the "I hate ebil BoB" train, the more targets are available to shoot. I'd hope that the coalition never stopped trying to destroy BoB, because without the fight, nobody would be happy. Good girls go to Heaven. Bad girls get drunk and pew pew in Delve.
Karim alRashid Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.14 13:01:00 - [210] What "Band of ..." really want is attention and recognition. Much like everyone else. And it seems they get it, maybe not in exactly the way they wanted it, but, hey, there's no bad publicity.

Sabahl Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 13:30:00 - [211] Originally by: Sir MilBanacky Sabhl, You should request this thread be locked because it is so heavily edited by the ISD stormtroopers that no one could tell you what they felt if they wanted to. unless it was to praise your glory Just for once let a BOB thread run.. TBH I am tempted... I don't read the thread for a weekend and come back to find it's derailing itself into a *****-fest about titan killing. NOT what this thread was supposed to be about. If it happens again I will request a lock. Guys, please try to keep it on track here. A lot of the replies have been very informative and interesting and, from the in game mails I have received, I know a lot of people are very interested in seeing what people have to say. And to my own alliance-mates, please let people post their views, positive or negative, without getting in a tizzy. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, no matter how much we may disagree with them, and this thread was supposed to be about finding out what those opinions were. PS Having read the first page before the mods got at it, I too didn't think it really needed to be moderated, but there you go...
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:22:00 - [212] It was said very well by many already - Bob may want Respect, but they will NEVER get it due to their style of play and past cheating. I recognize that they may be the strongest power in Eve, and that they have great players and a strong organization. They do also frequently come up with innovative attacks which yield spectacular success. However, it is obvious that they care nothing for HOW they achieve those goals. As Cases in Point: 1. The past cheating. No one will ever believe that it was 'the actions of one man'. Entire Alliance is forever tainted. 2. The first Titan kill. What should have been the most spectacular Spy success of all time just left the rest of Eve feeling like Bob was an Exploiter. 3. TS Spies. Bob probably has the best Spy Service in all of Eve. I agree it is part of the game, but most players would rather it didn't happen. Using Spies is by definition underhanded and dirty, and Bob's liberal use of spying taints the entire alliance. 4. Bob Pets: Every alliance that Bob 'allys with' is treated as a second-class citizen. The distain that they show for their own 'allies', not to mention their enemies, causes a lack of Respect for Bob. 5. Passive Targeting through POS shields: Item One on a long list of 'borderline exploits' that Bob used. They seen rather profiecient in finding 'undocumented features' which later become Exploits or are fixed by CCP. Honestly, I feel like this type of information was provided to them by their corrupt Dev. Regardeless, Bob finds a ploy, then designs attacks around it until it is banned or fixed. 6. Broken Complexes: Bob had the broken complexes for quite some time, and only when Dark Shinari pointed it out was it fixed. Surely Bob knew they were broken, yet continued to exploit it until it was fixed. Typical behavior, and not behavior that promotes respect. 7. POS Bowling: Another Bob innovation, which while clearly within the present rules is a corruption of the spirit of Eve. Expect them to continue until some fix stops them. 8. Stealing ships in POS's: Past rules, similar to POS Bowling, allowed someone to warp in and hop in a ship before being ejected from the shields. Another example of Bob's below-the-belt playing style. 9. Bob Directors in other alliances: Not content with attempting to build the best Alliance, Bob has been known to infiltrate other Corps/Alliances and direct them down a path that leads them to ruin. Again, its in the game mechanics, but underhanded and against the spirit of the game. 10. Metagaming: A variety of out-of-game events have occurred which rightly or wrongly have been blamed on Bob. Again, the attitude conveyed by Bob is that any means to achieve victory are acceptable. Such activites leave the rest of Eve with a lowered impression of Bob. I could go on, but the point is that Bob's means to their dominance have caused too many people to consider them a 'dirty' alliance. Hence the recent Coalition to destroy them. In my opinion Bob is so heavily tainted by their own actions that they will never get Respect for the things that they have accomplished. This taint can never be cleansed. Even if Bob turned into an honorable, straightforward group overnight, no one will ever believe that they are not cheating. Certainly not me.
Dominixa Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:33:00 - [213] Originally by: Princess Jodi It was said very well by many already - Bob may want Respect, but they will NEVER get it due to their style of play and past cheating. I recognize that they may be the strongest power in Eve, and that they have great players and a strong organization. They do also frequently come up with innovative attacks which yield spectacular success. However, it is obvious that they care nothing for HOW they achieve those goals. As Cases in Point: 1. The past cheating. No one will ever believe that it was 'the actions of one man'. Entire Alliance is forever tainted. 2. The first Titan kill. What should have been the most spectacular Spy success of all time just left the rest of Eve feeling like Bob was an Exploiter. 3. TS Spies. Bob probably has the best Spy Service in all of Eve. I agree it is part of the game, but most players would rather it didn't happen. Using Spies is by definition underhanded and dirty, and Bob's liberal use of spying taints the entire alliance. 4. Bob Pets: Every alliance that Bob 'allys with' is treated as a second-class citizen. The distain that they show for their own 'allies', not to mention their enemies, causes a lack of Respect for Bob. 5. Passive Targeting through POS shields: Item One on a long list of 'borderline exploits' that Bob used. They seen rather profiecient in finding 'undocumented features' which later become Exploits or are fixed by CCP. Honestly, I feel like this type of information was provided to them by their corrupt Dev. Regardeless, Bob finds a ploy, then designs attacks around it until it is banned or fixed. 6. Broken Complexes: Bob had the broken complexes for quite some time, and only when Dark Shinari pointed it out was it fixed. Surely Bob knew they were broken, yet continued to exploit it until it was fixed. Typical behavior, and not behavior that promotes respect. 7. POS Bowling: Another Bob innovation, which while clearly within the present rules is a corruption of the spirit of Eve. Expect them to continue until some fix stops them. 8. Stealing ships in POS's: Past rules, similar to POS Bowling, allowed someone to warp in and hop in a ship before being ejected from the shields. Another example of Bob's below-the-belt playing style. 9. Bob Directors in other alliances: Not content with attempting to build the best Alliance, Bob has been known to infiltrate other Corps/Alliances and direct them down a path that leads them to ruin. Again, its in the game mechanics, but underhanded and against the spirit of the game. 10. Metagaming: A variety of out-of-game events have occurred which rightly or wrongly have been blamed on Bob. Again, the attitude conveyed by Bob is that any means to achieve victory are acceptable. Such activites leave the rest of Eve with a lowered impression of Bob. I could go on, but the point is that Bob's means to their dominance have caused too many people to consider them a 'dirty' alliance. Hence the recent Coalition to destroy them. In my opinion Bob is so heavily tainted by their own actions that they will never get Respect for the things that they have accomplished. This taint can never be cleansed. Even if Bob turned into an honorable, straightforward group overnight, no one will ever believe that they are not cheating. Certainly not me. Your quite wrong on many points. Point #4 Bob Pets as you so call them are no different than the Northern Entities who rely on Dusk and Dawn, except Bob actually has your back when you need it. You can say they don't treat us well, but how would you know? If being a partner in dealing pain to enemies is being treated badly, then so be it. Point #7 POS bowling is nothing new, Just ask Ign0ramous from the Establishment about that :) He nearly bumped a chimera out of one of our towers many months before people say "BOB" Invented it.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:43:00 - [214] Originally by: Princess Jodi ... This taint can never be cleansed. Even if Bob turned into an honorable, straightforward group overnight, no one will ever believe that they are not cheating. Certainly not me. Who gives a **** what you think. Certainly not I or any other BoB member. And the things that you say taint BoB legacy, all of it and much, much more has been done by other alliances that you are aligned to, but you donÆt seem to be bothered by that, now are you? People that live in glass houses should not be throwing stones, Mr. Hypocrite. The truth will set you free
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:44:00 - [215] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Princess Jodi ... This taint can never be cleansed. Even if Bob turned into an honorable, straightforward group overnight, no one will ever believe that they are not cheating. Certainly not me. Who gives a **** what you think. Certainly not I or any other BoB member. And the things that you say taint BoB legacy, all of it and much, much more has been done by other alliances that you are aligned to, but you donÆt seem to be bothered by that, now are you? People that live in glass houses should not be throwing stones, Mr. Hypocrite. LOL. If you didn't care you wouldn't lash out like that signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected])
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:48:00 - [216] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Princess Jodi ... This taint can never be cleansed. Even if Bob turned into an honorable, straightforward group overnight, no one will ever believe that they are not cheating. Certainly not me. Who gives a **** what you think. Certainly not I or any other BoB member. And the things that you say taint BoB legacy, all of it and much, much more has been done by other alliances that you are aligned to, but you donÆt seem to be bothered by that, now are you? People that live in glass houses should not be throwing stones, Mr. Hypocrite. LOL. If you didn't care you wouldn't lash out like that No, I just like picking on little bitter tools like yourself. I'm just a cheating evil scumbag and loving it. The truth will set you free
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:58:00 - [217] Yup, I sure hit a nerve there. Which entirely validated everything I said. You want Respect so bad, you try to validate your actions. I never said Bob 'invented' POS bowling. I just said that, as is typical of Bob, they find a borderline tactic and use it without concern over how savory it is.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.14 16:03:00 - [218] On another note: Bob is the one alliance in the game with the true infrasructure and leadership to be able to ACTIVELY CHOOSE NOT TO USE underhanded tactics and still be successful. Yet they seem to push the limits of 'legal' as much as they can. Now how can I respect someone who has the ability to beat me fair and square, yet still looks for a way to cut my feet out from under me instead?
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.14 16:04:00 - [219] To the OP: BoB want to look stupid. They have consistantly provided evidence for this hypothesis on these very forums. It's a strange goal, but who am I to judge. Come on, why else would Mental Dude be out of his straight jacket? ----------------- OMG! SiGnAtUrE gO mEnTaLz
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 16:14:00 - [220] Originally by: Plim To the OP: BoB want to look stupid. They have consistantly provided evidence for this hypothesis on these very forums. It's a strange goal, but who am I to judge. Come on, why else would Mental Dude be out of his straight jacket? Where have you been, Limp? CELES still has no balls to come fight evil BoB even with the rest of EVE on your side? What a surprise. Oh, and how's Fountain these days? The truth will set you free

Karim alRashid Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.14 16:29:00 - [221] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Plim To the OP: BoB want to look stupid. They have consistantly provided evidence for this hypothesis on these very forums. It's a strange goal, but who am I to judge. Come on, why else would Mental Dude be out of his straight jacket? Where have you been, Limp? CELES still has no balls to come fight evil BoB even with the rest of EVE on your side? What a surprise. Oh, and how's Fountain these days? Did you know you must be 13 years of age or older to use this site ?
Ribbo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 16:36:00 - [222] Originally by: Karim alRashid Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Plim To the OP: BoB want to look stupid. They have consistantly provided evidence for this hypothesis on these very forums. It's a strange goal, but who am I to judge. Come on, why else would Mental Dude be out of his straight jacket? Where have you been, Limp? CELES still has no balls to come fight evil BoB even with the rest of EVE on your side? What a surprise. Oh, and how's Fountain these days? Did you know you must be 13 years of age or older to use this site ? wondered why i dont see many goons on here. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) - fanboi'ing eve-celebrities the world over.
Oosel Nightmare Holdings Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 16:47:00 - [223] bob doesnt want anything as it just takes what it needs having watched them steamroller everything over the years.....they slowly but surely grind you down until most people get into the 'if you cant beat them join them' thinking. how many of bobs past biggest enemies are now in bob there's loads...... you have to have dedication to even stay in bob and for most people me included i dont think i could put the effort thats needed to keep them where they are in the grand scheme of things and its only a matter of time b4 they do own the map..... at that point there wont be half as many players as there is now and no doubt bob will be penalised for their hard work just to entice players back who have just said sack this im tired of fighting
StarLite Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:02:00 - [224] BoB is in eve to make the tinfoil hat sales go waaayyy up. /me pets his tinfoil hat stocks ;) _______________________________________________________________________ This sig is guarded by SigGuard(c)
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:41:00 - [225] Originally by: StarLite BoB is in eve to make the tinfoil hat sales go waaayyy up. /me pets his tinfoil hat stocks ;) No, no. What you mean, is to make CCP's sales go way down. Most people don't want to play a game with cheating devs. To Mental Dude. I don't care what Fountain looks like mate. Does it look like a spoon? I don't really play the game properly anymore, it's a joke now. Soon people will have so many capital ships, they will merge into one giant robot that can throw roids around and we will be playing Power Rangers Ten Pin Bowling OnlineÖ ----------------- OMG! SiGnAtUrE gO mEnTaLz
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:14:00 - [226] It's called Transformers ¬
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:18:00 - [227] Originally by: Lone Bear It's called Transformers ¬ The spin off was better. Transvestites, men in disguise. ----------------- OMG! SiGnAtUrE gO mEnTaLz
Xarax Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:19:00 - [228] Originally by: StarLite BoB is in eve to make the tinfoil hat sales go waaayyy up. /me pets his tinfoil hat stocks ;) Your stock it obsolete. We just got the T2 bpo yesterday. We will be rich beyond our wildest dreams!!!!! _______
nickycakes Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:29:00 - [229] Originally by: Xarax Your stock it obsolete. We just spawned the T2 bpo yesterday. We will be rich beyond our wildest dreams!!!!! fixed
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:37:00 - [230] Originally by: Plim Originally by: Lone Bear It's called Transformers ¬ The spin off was better. Transvestites, men in disguise. I wouldnt know about it, so I'll let your experience speak.

Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:38:00 - [231] Originally by: Lone Bear Originally by: Plim Originally by: Lone Bear It's called Transformers ¬ The spin off was better. Transvestites, men in disguise. I wouldnt know about it, so I'll let your experience speak. I spend alot of time talking to Kinsy. ----------------- OMG! SiGnAtUrE gO mEnTaLz
Krasnij Okjabre Caldari FIRMA	Posted - 2007.05.14 20:35:00 - [232] I think the debate about what BoB do or don't want is almost irrelevant. If their true desire is to control all of 0.0 I am sure they will go all out to achieve that goal.Whether they can/will remains to be seen. Despite somewhat nefarious tactics that they appear to have employed in the past (though someone did rightly state that 'all is fair in love and war'), no one can deny the fact they are exceptionally well organised, highly disciplined as a group and consequently not to be taken lightly. I think Welsh Wizard summed it up perfectly by saying that if people wanted rid of BoB, maybe it should have been done long ago. However, this does make me wonder what will happen if they do 'win Eve'... I can only imagine people will drift off to do other things and maybe BoB as an alliance would fragment. Even if this did happen they would leave an indelible mark on the history of the game and perhaps as a result gain a form of 'immortality'. Perhaps that is the goal, if so they are well on the way. I should also state here that I have no personal feelings toward BoB as an entity in any way shape or form, and the opinions I state here are merely a personal obeservation. Interesting topic though (for a change). Light is faster than sound... this is why some people appear bright until you speak to them...
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.14 20:56:00 - [233] Originally by: Metal Dude I'm just a cheating evil scumbag and loving it. If only your HC was as honest Sig removed...coz like, you know sometimes I pirate...no, not pirating..err defending the gurista..yes that's the one
crudhunch Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:00:00 - [234] I like this topic. A lot of people keep saying it is respect but I donÆt entirely believe that. A part of it is respect IÆm sure. But they know they will never be given the respect of the more mature players with their style of play but that is fine by them. I believe that the younger members of the EVE community do give BOB a lot of respect for their ability to defend themselves, and remove enemies alliances extremely well. While everyone in EVE must agree that they are the best at this, a portion of the community will enjoy and encourage their tactics and give them the respect they desire. However, a larger (just my opinion) portion will never be able to respect their abilities and will always believe all of their accomplishments are tainted and therefore not deserving of any respect. I personally donÆt respect BOB ability to defeat their enemies at all, but will admit they get the job done better than anyone else. That IÆm sure is all they want from me, and they do not really care that I have no respect for them. Another thing that I think lends itself to this lack of respect is jealousy, and frustration. BOB loves this. They like seeing it in their enemies. They thrive off of the frustration of their opponents. I thought the gentlemanÆs post about the energy was very good. But, many of the members of the EVE community that BOB will never get the respect from are those that are IMO older more mature players who look down upon the ideas that crossing all lines, and doing what ever it takes no matter how shady to achieve your goals. On top of this many of these players are probably people with real lives, and real responsibilities, who do not have the time to invest to achieve what BOB has in a clean and respectable way. This leads to frustration in knowing they can never win EVE, and the typical member of BOB with their typical arrogance doesnÆt help that. While I donÆt believe that any members of BOB will ever expect to receive any respect from the EVE community I do believe they do take a lot of pride in their alliance, and one of the things they strive for and enjoy is carrying that alliance tag on their ships. I believe they believe that to carry that tag comes with extremely high expectations, and a very large responsibility. This pride IÆm sure fulfils a big feeling of accomplishment in itself. I believe that BOB members want to continue to set goals and to reach them. They have set their long term goals of taking all of 0.0, and they have stated that they will seek out and remove all enemies from the game. I know they do seek out many old enemies and make it a personal goal to harass them to the point that they start new toons. These are their long term goals, but not what I believe they really thrive off of. IÆm sure for the most part like all of us they thrive off of accomplishing shorter term goals. Stuff like the 90 day post. The phases that they have implemented to win EVE. [TOS]Recruitment Page
Morela Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:04:00 - [235] Edited by: Morela on 15/05/2007 02:02:34 Every second you waste posting in here.. An Battlegroup just slipped past your front lines.. :)
Biosman ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:41:00 - [236] Originally by: nickycakes Originally by: Xarax Your stock it obsolete. We just spawned the T2 bpo yesterday. We will be rich beyond our wildest dreams!!!!! fixed By that remark you are taking the p* out of every hard working Eve-Onliner,none of you really give a s* do you? Have you forgotten the 100 page thread about all that cheating stuff which keiron quickly moved out of the light of day cause I haven't,and by some of these replies neither has anyone else.It just proves you think it's all a big joke.
Dracolich North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:42:00 - [237] I think that BoB wants to play Eve as it was intended to be played from an PVP aspect. In this process they just strive to be the best they can be. Personally I think what CCP wants and what BoB wants go hand in hand. Without BoB, there wouldn't be any drive within major tactical warfare. BoB are the "unknown" x-factor, that makes fortification of 0.0 space unpredictable. I think that their "plan" with conquoring space, and let pro-BoB alliances move in and pay rent, and let them defend the space, is absolutely genious. When I say BoB, I am refering to the main ball players within the Alliance. I think there are quite a few of those, since the organization of BoB is well structured. My suggested keyplayers(but I am surely in the dark, so its mere guesswork): TWD(Strategy) Galvert(Organizational implantation) SirMolle(The hammer in decisions) Dianabolic(Diplomacy) Blacklight(Mascot) _____________________________________
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.15 03:22:00 - [238] 8 pages on such an obvious answer. Bob wants to keep ******* with you.... GG, only took yas 6 months
Sujin Kai Starship Direct	Posted - 2007.05.15 03:37:00 - [239] Originally by: Metal Dude And the things that you say taint BoB legacy, all of it and much, much more has been done by other alliances that you are aligned to... That is a god damned lie. BoB was caught receiving T2 BPOs from a cheating developer. Nothing you can ever say or do will erase that from history.
Ket Halpak ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 03:38:00 - [240] Edited by: Ket Halpak on 15/05/2007 03:37:37 Edit: Removed quote to deleted post. Now where did I put my shiny new t2 tin foil hat? Anyway, to the OP, my answer is simple, they want what everyone who plays eve wants, to have fun. Everyone has their own way to have fun in eve, and BoB's is pew-pew on a large scale. _ Check out my blog at RantingsofaCarebear.blogspot.com Privateers: Those who don't adapt become victims of harsh irony

Ket Halpak ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 03:43:00 - [241] Originally by: Sujin Kai Originally by: Metal Dude And the things that you say taint BoB legacy, all of it and much, much more has been done by other alliances that you are aligned to... That is a god damned lie. BoB was caught receiving T2 BPOs from a cheating developer. Nothing you can ever say or do will erase that from history. IBTL!!!111eleventyone! I am sure no other alliance in the history of eve has ever cheated or exploited in any other way, be it through portrait hax, ISK selling, plex farming or intentional node crashing? _ Check out my blog at RantingsofaCarebear.blogspot.com Privateers: Those who don't adapt become victims of harsh irony
Sinjin Kai Minmatar Hard Corp Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.05.15 06:33:00 - [242] Very simple "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their [enemies] women."
Ket Halpak ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 07:15:00 - [243] Originally by: Sinjin Kai Very simple "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the moaning of their [enemies] women." Fixed it for you :D _ Check out my blog at RantingsofaCarebear.blogspot.com Privateers: Those who don't adapt become victims of harsh irony
Sujin Kai Starship Direct	Posted - 2007.05.15 07:57:00 - [244] Originally by: Ket Halpak Originally by: Sujin Kai Originally by: Metal Dude And the things that you say taint BoB legacy, all of it and much, much more has been done by other alliances that you are aligned to... That is a god damned lie. BoB was caught receiving T2 BPOs from a cheating developer. Nothing you can ever say or do will erase that from history. IBTL!!!111eleventyone! I am sure no other alliance in the history of eve has ever cheated or exploited in any other way, be it through portrait hax, ISK selling, plex farming or intentional node crashing? As far as I know no other alliance has received cheated-for T2 BPOs or secret information from a cheating Dev, no. I'm not one to whine about the use of game mechanics that are available to anyone. But certain senior members of BoB, some of them still posting as BoB members in this thread, crossed the line when they knowingly accepted the help of a developer (and they did know he was a developer, even if they didn't know he cheated for the blueprints). Anyone who continues to work under those people, and anyone who lets them off the hook for it, is actively destroying this game.
Bad Borris Caldari Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:09:00 - [245] The band of backslappers dont want anything, it is all about getting together in a big group of uber skillpoint, bpo lotto winning outfit of mega-l33t players in order to make the game as easy as possible for themselves and massage their collective epeens.
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:10:00 - [246] Originally by: Bad Borris The band of backslappers dont want anything, it is all about getting together in a big group of uber skillpoint, bpo lotto winning outfit of mega-l33t players in order to make the game as easy as possible for themselves and massage their collective epeens. jealous much? ------------------------------------------------------------------
Bad Borris Caldari Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:11:00 - [247] jealous much? Couldnt give a rats ass
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:17:00 - [248] Originally by: Bad Borris Couldnt give a rats ass Then why post such a 'flamebait' message ------------------------------------------------------------------
Mr Abbadon Svea Rike	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:19:00 - [249] Originally by: Sujin Kai Originally by: Ket Halpak Originally by: Sujin Kai Originally by: Metal Dude And the things that you say taint BoB legacy, all of it and much, much more has been done by other alliances that you are aligned to... That is a god damned lie. BoB was caught receiving T2 BPOs from a cheating developer. Nothing you can ever say or do will erase that from history. IBTL!!!111eleventyone! I am sure no other alliance in the history of eve has ever cheated or exploited in any other way, be it through portrait hax, ISK selling, plex farming or intentional node crashing? As far as I know no other alliance has received cheated-for T2 BPOs or secret information from a cheating Dev, no. I'm not one to whine about the use of game mechanics that are available to anyone. But certain senior members of BoB, some of them still posting as BoB members in this thread, crossed the line when they knowingly accepted the help of a developer (and they did know he was a developer, even if they didn't know he cheated for the blueprints). Anyone who continues to work under those people, and anyone who lets them off the hook for it, is actively destroying this game. really think it was only t20? fun part is hes still in bod :) t20 just got the blame to cover the bid disaster what was going to happen. fun thing is they banned the guy revealing it and not those doing the cheat. fun ey. _______________________________________________________________ Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:21:00 - [250] Originally by: Bad Borris jealous much? Couldnt give a rats ass With all due respect; how often have you talked with a bob member, or met one; because from your post, i'm guessing you seem to know an awful lot of them; funny thing is, I dont know any that match your description.

Dionisius Gallente Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:29:00 - [251] Originally by: R0ot Originally by: Bad Borris Couldnt give a rats ass Then why post such a 'flamebait' message Let me put it simple to you, no one, NO ONE as in NOBODY, cares or respects Xelas and such, because you are the tourists that stay docked at station waiting for BoB to come and save you. You, when i say you i and refering to your colective of tourists known as Xelas. Sorry to break your heart but no one is envious, you are a spineless aliance. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:32:00 - [252] Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: R0ot Originally by: Bad Borris Couldnt give a rats ass Then why post such a 'flamebait' message Let me put it simple to you, no one, NO ONE as in NOBODY, cares or respects Xelas and such, because you are the tourists that stay docked at station waiting for BoB to come and save you. You, when i say you i and refering to your colective of tourists known as Xelas. Sorry to break your heart but no one is envious, you are a spineless aliance. Thanks a lot mate, that sort of post is what is called a 'generalization'. I and other Xelas members fight, off the top of my head STC, FALG, SOCM etc. fight at just about every chance. So; Proof or STFUÖ(SamuraiJack credit)
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:32:00 - [253] Edited by: DarkFenix on 15/05/2007 10:33:08 Edited by: DarkFenix on 15/05/2007 10:32:39 What do BoB want? To have fun. The way in which they have fun is largely irrelevant. Dominate 0.0? Impossible goal, but you sure as hell have some fun trying to do it. Oh, and BoB want to savour the tears of all the whiners and flamers. A lot of people seem to think BoB have achieved everything by cheating. Well, perhaps their lack of comprehension of how BoB did it is exactly why BoB did and they didn't. BoB don't need cheats to beat the other denizens of Eve. They're simply better at what they do. Period. The whole bpo spawning thing with t20 was a drop in the ocean compared the resources BoB get in a totally legit manner. As for all the node crashing and other associated whines about BoB, they just make me laugh in their patheticness. Oh yeah, on an unrelated note, I heard Kugutsumen is Jesus reborn! Seriously! He has chat logs to prove it I'm told, hacked right out of the big database in the sky Oh, and I'm sure it will be said, but I'm not a BoB/BoD alt. This is my main, and yes I was in BoB for a while. Edit: Oh and in response to recent posts, I personally have (and have had since long before I joined BoB) utmost respect for certain so called BoB 'pets' like FIX and Xelas. Anyone who says they can't hold their own is a fool.
Felicia Stone Obsidian Inc. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:37:00 - [254] I would imagine that their goal is the win. As a secondary objective they seem to enjoy roleplaying the 'bad' guy and be amused at the flames they receive because of it.
Bad Borris Caldari Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.05.15 11:03:00 - [255] Originally by: R0ot Originally by: Bad Borris Couldnt give a rats ass Then why post such a 'flamebait' message Its my opinion and I happen to think it is quite objective. Besides, given the subject of this thread I think it inevitable that things are said that annoy people so live with it or take your sensitive bob luvvin' self elsewhere. Or else keep responding and give yourself a stroke.
Dionisius Gallente Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.05.15 11:07:00 - [256] Originally by: Proxay Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: R0ot Originally by: Bad Borris Couldnt give a rats ass Then why post such a 'flamebait' message Let me put it simple to you, no one, NO ONE as in NOBODY, cares or respects Xelas and such, because you are the tourists that stay docked at station waiting for BoB to come and save you. You, when i say you i and refering to your colective of tourists known as Xelas. Sorry to break your heart but no one is envious, you are a spineless aliance. Thanks a lot mate, that sort of post is what is called a 'generalization'. I and other Xelas members fight, off the top of my head STC, FALG, SOCM etc. fight at just about every chance. So; Proof or STFUÖ(SamuraiJack credit) A member of bob has stated that you only need to hold and wait until BoB comes out to help your alliance. You don't fight top had... you don't fight period. Your alliance, like others that are under bob's wing and come here to gloat on the outposts and conquered systems are nothing more than leeches coming here to take credit for what others did and that is the really sad part... shame on you. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 11:16:00 - [257] Originally by: Dionisius A member of bob has stated that you only need to hold and wait until BoB comes out to help your alliance. You don't fight top had... you don't fight period. Your alliance, like others that are under bob's wing and come here to gloat on the outposts and conquered systems are nothing more than leeches coming here to take credit for what others did and that is the really sad part... shame on you. I don't fight? Check XS killboard, I am almost consistantly out there so once again, Proof or STFU.
Dionisius Gallente Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.05.15 12:07:00 - [258] Originally by: Proxay Originally by: Dionisius A member of bob has stated that you only need to hold and wait until BoB comes out to help your alliance. You don't fight top had... you don't fight period. Your alliance, like others that are under bob's wing and come here to gloat on the outposts and conquered systems are nothing more than leeches coming here to take credit for what others did and that is the really sad part... shame on you. I don't fight? Check XS killboard, I am almost consistantly out there so once again, Proof or STFU. If you count ganks at doorstep or same system were your station is.... well. As for the rest, the bigger picture, you don't. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.15 12:13:00 - [259] Originally by: Proxay Check XS killboard ----
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 15:04:00 - [260] Originally by: Dionisius If you count ganks at doorstep or same system were your station is.... well. As for the rest, the bigger picture, you don't. Dionisius [9 kills] Proxay [348 kills] Please, prove i'm not PvPing...

Sabahl Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.15 16:01:00 - [261] Go start your own thread please, guys.
Ravysa Delorean Amarr Torro Negro Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.05.15 16:33:00 - [262] Originally by: Sabahl OP Well it¦s pretty easy, they want to be ("stay" would be more fitting) the strongest alliance. And as the coalition is more or less a joke they won¦t have much of a problem. Even RA, -A- and goons will be totally wiped out if BoB wants to do that. Not working together, as in letting one coalition member after the other be steamrolled by BoB and friends, will be the doom for every alliance in the coalition, because only a fool would think that BoB won¦t go after RA and friends next.
Xarax Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.15 16:43:00 - [263] Originally by: Sabahl Go start your own thread please, guys. Yeah! You tell them Sabahl. All we really want is for the entirety of the Eve-O community to acknowledge BoB. We want everyone to write about us on these forums, we want you to write about us on your own corp/alliance forums, we want you to talk about us to your friends, and to commiserate for our enemies. We want everything to be about us. ALWAYS. Why? All this other crap is just a means to and end. Go tell someone about us, write about us on a daily basis, we have almost achieved our goal. Every post that you make about BoB generates $0.02 that we give to Sally Struthers to feed the starving kidsà. Yeah thatÆs it, itÆs all about kicking the **** out of you, and feeding the kids. _______
rafaman New European Regiment THE H0RDE	Posted - 2007.05.15 17:39:00 - [264] What kind of question is this? Has BoB ran out of ideas and is asking the comunity to throw a few ideas ? :D LOL cheers
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.15 18:29:00 - [265] After the mods did all their work removing trolls, this thread isn't half bad. Some of you are thinking way too hard though...
Jurbil Minmatar The Tierijev Compact Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.05.15 18:30:00 - [266] An alliance is made up of players. 3 types of players, imho: 1. Those who play a game because it is challenging 2. Those who play a game to win 3. Those who play for social/RP or other purely 'fun' aspects I assume BoB players probably do not belong to the third category (i.e. that is not their primary motivation to play, though it is secondary for any MMO player) A player who wants a challenge grows bored of a game once it is clear that he/she has won. In a strat game, this type of player plays through key conflicts with glee, enjoys the occasional setback or defeat (more challenge), and often quits in the 'cleanup' portion of the game. The second type may find challenges or setbacks frustrating/unsettling, and prefers to just dominate the game, bringing bigger and bigger smackdowns, to a smaller and smaller resistance put up by the opponent. I am a new player, and so I'm not entirely sure what motivates BoB players. However, it seems from what I know of their abuse of game mechanics, huge capital fleets, and numerous titans, that they are out to win. I believe that if the players and corps in BoB truly seek challenging gameplay, they will eventually turn on each other. As a player who enjoys challenge, I find the play-to-win attitude distasteful, especially in an MMO environment. I wonder what actually motivates these players, and what may be missing from their personal lives that they take so much satisfaction from dominating an un-equal field of play. Here I am, recently joined the South, and I hope we can provide you with a fair challenge. I hope that's what you're looking for. If you're just interested in steam-rolling some 'noobs' and kicking them out of 0.0, then you all just lost my respect. And, like I said, if you are looking for a real challenge, you may look for a while at those you call 'brothers,' and think about that. As stated I am a new player, not an alt.
consider telos Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.15 19:23:00 - [267] They do it for the e-ladies. Your signature is deemd inappropiate for these forums, please contact us as to why - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
nico wurz250 The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.15 21:51:00 - [268] hm, they want bpos for free from ccp? - Support your local D2 member!
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:22:00 - [269] ^^^^ I aint readin all that... sheesh... What bob wants : Cake. Lots of it, especially if it is yours. /Thread over Wherever you go... There you are...
Agillious Gallente Inner Circle Helter-Skelter	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:31:00 - [270] I can't believe I haven't read this yet (or that I'm typing it...) So, I'll tell you what BoB wants. What they really, really want. They wanna, they wanna They really, really, really, wanna zig a zig. Ahhhhh. Thank you! Thank you! MORE SHINY, PLEASE!!!

Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:33:00 - [271] Originally by: TroNaaR ^^^^ I aint readin all that... sheesh... What bob wants : Cake. Lots of it, especially if it is yours. /Thread over lol. Best answer yet ^^
Ket Halpak ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 02:10:00 - [272] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: TroNaaR ^^^^ I aint readin all that... sheesh... What bob wants : Cake. Lots of it, especially if it is yours. /Thread over lol. Best answer yet ^^ They can have my cake, and eat it too, but they will have to wrestle my pie from my cold dead hands. Pie 4tw! _ Check out my blog at RantingsofaCarebear.blogspot.com Privateers: Those who don't adapt become victims of harsh irony
Outro Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:22:00 - [273] No I'm sorry, the correct answer was WORLD DOMINATION!! Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Dionisius Gallente Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:41:00 - [274] Originally by: Proxay Originally by: Dionisius If you count ganks at doorstep or same system were your station is.... well. As for the rest, the bigger picture, you don't. Dionisius [9 kills] Proxay [348 kills] Please, prove i'm not PvPing... Excuse me were did you get my.... 9 kills?Making stuff up?... liar liar. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:57:00 - [275] Originally by: Dionisius Excuse me were did you get my.... 9 kills?Making stuff up?... liar liar. I work off what i see. http://xelas.griefwatch.net/?p=qsearch&q=dionisius&w=pilot On Topic; As stated a billion times; Bob wants PVP. 0.0 Dominance comes from a will to fight, without a will to fight, you can't claim space since the enemy will mince you. Bob have an excellent fighting ethic (Ie. only reason they're there) and thus can manage to conquer so much. Fighting is EVE's most intresting feature as it's one of the only games where losing carries a value. This value is perceived as time and effort, that's how pilots can lose the will to fight, it becomes a waste of time as they watch their efforts crumble around them...forcing them to adapt or change sides.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:00:00 - [276] Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: R0ot Originally by: Bad Borris Couldnt give a rats ass Then why post such a 'flamebait' message Let me put it simple to you, no one, NO ONE as in NOBODY, cares or respects Xelas and such, because you are the tourists that stay docked at station waiting for BoB to come and save you. You, when i say you i and refering to your colective of tourists known as Xelas. Sorry to break your heart but no one is envious, you are a spineless aliance. And yet they hold more space then you. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:18:00 - [277] Originally by: Jurbil An alliance is made up of players. 3 types of players, imho: 1. Those who play a game because it is challenging 2. Those who play a game to win 3. Those who play for social/RP or other purely 'fun' aspects I assume BoB players probably do not belong to the third category (i.e. that is not their primary motivation to play, though it is secondary for any MMO player) A player who wants a challenge grows bored of a game once it is clear that he/she has won. In a strat game, this type of player plays through key conflicts with glee, enjoys the occasional setback or defeat (more challenge), and often quits in the 'cleanup' portion of the game. The second type may find challenges or setbacks frustrating/unsettling, and prefers to just dominate the game, bringing bigger and bigger smackdowns, to a smaller and smaller resistance put up by the opponent. I am a new player, and so I'm not entirely sure what motivates BoB players. However, it seems from what I know of their abuse of game mechanics, huge capital fleets, and numerous titans, that they are out to win. I believe that if the players and corps in BoB truly seek challenging gameplay, they will eventually turn on each other. As a player who enjoys challenge, I find the play-to-win attitude distasteful, especially in an MMO environment. I wonder what actually motivates these players, and what may be missing from their personal lives that they take so much satisfaction from dominating an un-equal field of play. Here I am, recently joined the South, and I hope we can provide you with a fair challenge. I hope that's what you're looking for. If you're just interested in steam-rolling some 'noobs' and kicking them out of 0.0, then you all just lost my respect. And, like I said, if you are looking for a real challenge, you may look for a while at those you call 'brothers,' and think about that. As stated I am a new player, not an alt. You have definately got what it takes to be a member of the Coalition of Family values.
Dionisius Gallente Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:22:00 - [278] Originally by: Proxay Originally by: Dionisius Excuse me were did you get my.... 9 kills?Making stuff up?... liar liar. I work off what i see. http://xelas.griefwatch.net/?p=qsearch&q=dionisius&w=pilot On Topic; As stated a billion times; Bob wants PVP. 0.0 Dominance comes from a will to fight, without a will to fight, you can't claim space since the enemy will mince you. Bob have an excellent fighting ethic (Ie. only reason they're there) and thus can manage to conquer so much. Fighting is EVE's most intresting feature as it's one of the only games where losing carries a value. This value is perceived as time and effort, that's how pilots can lose the will to fight, it becomes a waste of time as they watch their efforts crumble around them...forcing them to adapt or change sides. Lol.... errrm i hate to disapoint you but from my kb i see... Kills - 56 Real kills: - 27 Only in 1 month wich is since i joined this corp and alliance. And i keep my stats acurate as i post kills and loses aswell. Now for once you said one thing right, BoB dominates because they fight, Xelas doesn't. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Dionisius Gallente Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:25:00 - [279] Edited by: Dionisius on 16/05/2007 15:24:22 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: R0ot Originally by: Bad Borris Couldnt give a rats ass Then why post such a 'flamebait' message Let me put it simple to you, no one, NO ONE as in NOBODY, cares or respects Xelas and such, because you are the tourists that stay docked at station waiting for BoB to come and save you. You, when i say you i and refering to your colective of tourists known as Xelas. Sorry to break your heart but no one is envious, you are a spineless aliance. And yet they hold more space then you. Errm its bob's space them, and your punny alliance, holds nothing, so stfu. I as a player only have two or three purposes ingame, have fun, cause as much destruction as possible trough PvPing and pirating now and then. I don't care for holding space, its boring. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:29:00 - [280] Edited by: Proxay on 16/05/2007 15:27:32 Originally by: Dionisius Lol.... errrm i hate to disapoint you but from my kb i see... Kills - 56 Real kills: - 27 Only in 1 month wich is since i joined this corp and alliance. And i keep my stats acurate as i post kills and loses aswell. Now for once you said one thing right, BoB dominates because they fight, Xelas doesn't. Mine are from Xelas KB, therefore it isn't lying. And you had to further attempt to degrade the purpose of the thread by throwing in a "Because Xelas doesn't", as a sort of useless troll attempt. If you don't pvp, you don't get killmails, therefore your presence on a killboard is nill.But if you are on a killboard, with any kills, you pvp; thus you're incorrect Dionisius, because by generalising to "xelas" means that if one singular person like norman gets a lot of kills, i can use your logic and say. "Xelas is a super active and rich pvp alliance due to extenesive pvp operations"....see where your logic fails? Further onto the point of moral; CAOD only furthers the moral problems by saying that xyz corp should be doing this, instead of something else, thus making them consider alternatives, and they start to question their motives and/or leadership. This also works through simply killing people off one by one, since they are less likely to undock to a bad situation twice in a row.

Dionisius Gallente Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:43:00 - [281] Originally by: Proxay Edited by: Proxay on 16/05/2007 15:27:32 Originally by: Dionisius Lol.... errrm i hate to disapoint you but from my kb i see... Kills - 56 Real kills: - 27 Only in 1 month wich is since i joined this corp and alliance. And i keep my stats acurate as i post kills and loses aswell. Now for once you said one thing right, BoB dominates because they fight, Xelas doesn't. Mine are from Xelas KB, therefore it isn't lying. And you had to further attempt to degrade the purpose of the thread by throwing in a "Because Xelas doesn't", as a sort of useless troll attempt. If you don't pvp, you don't get killmails, therefore your presence on a killboard is nill.But if you are on a killboard, with any kills, you pvp; thus you're incorrect Dionisius, because by generalising to "xelas" means that if one singular person like norman gets a lot of kills, i can use your logic and say. "Xelas is a super active and rich pvp alliance due to extenesive pvp operations"....see where your logic fails? Further onto the point of moral; CAOD only furthers the moral problems by saying that xyz corp should be doing this, instead of something else, thus making them consider alternatives, and they start to question their motives and/or leadership. This also works through simply killing people off one by one, since they are less likely to undock to a bad situation twice in a row. Aah but you used those stats initialy do make a point and belittle my point. Norman... err who is norman?The guy who fights alone in Domis?That Norman?... lol. My logic does not fail, the only ops Xelas makes extensively is patroling dead systems, when fountain was invaded you protected PNQ, as far as i remember, and that was it. Now onto morals, if people starts questioning their leaderships its because, either the leadership is open to dialog or something is wrong. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:48:00 - [282] Originally by: Dionisius Aah but you used those stats initialy do make a point and belittle my point. Norman... err who is norman?The guy who fights alone in Domis?That Norman?... lol. My logic does not fail, the only ops Xelas makes extensively is patroling dead systems, when fountain was invaded you protected PNQ, as far as i remember, and that was it. Now onto morals, if people starts questioning their leaderships its because, either the leadership is open to dialog or something is wrong. Hypocritical now; you said we dont PvP period, now you've changed your tone. I consider this arguement over. Leadership should keep some things common knowlage and some secret, that way people will be content with what they're doing day to day, and also have some hidden aspirations that may come out all of a sudden and be a 'pleasant' suprise to discover. Some things are meant to be kept secret so that there is proof that your leadership is doing their best to protect your investments.
Jurbil Minmatar The Tierijev Compact Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.05.16 19:01:00 - [283] Originally by: Smith Originally by: Jurbil bla bla bla You have definately got what it takes to be a member of the Coalition of Family values. I'm not even sure what that means, but... NO U! Die BoB scum, viva la South! Goons 4ever!!11!!!!1
Oro Sarmasa Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.16 19:03:00 - [284] Originally by: Jurbil Originally by: Smith Originally by: Jurbil bla bla bla You have definately got what it takes to be a member of the Coalition of Family values. I'm not even sure what that means, but... NO U! Die BoB scum, viva la South! Goons 4ever!!11!!!!1 NO... U! Someone needs to nerf the "" spam already. That's the equivalent of plugging your ears and singing "la la la"
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.05.17 02:39:00 - [285] good to hear, go out there and do what u need to do
Nonym Ous Regalis Industria Scientia Entreprendre Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.17 03:23:00 - [286] I think a good analogy would be to compare BoB to a minor-league hockey team. Of course they want to win, and of course they play to win, but they are there first and foremost to have fun pew-pewing. Yeah, you have to spend a lot of time sitting on the bench (sitting in a POS/on a gate/etc) but every time you step on the ice, there's the adrenaline rush, the amazing fun, and the thrill of scoring goals (pew-pew bang!) Sure, your ultimate goal is to win the league championship (paint EVE Blue) but it really doesn't matter if you do as long as you have fun. And in the end, there's always another season ahead. So does BoB want to paint EVE blue? Sure. Can you blame them? No. They are just out to "win". But is it their raison d'Otre? I sincerely doubt it. They, just like everyone else are out to have fun. 0.0 Warfare is their way of having fun, and winning only makes it better.
Phoebus Athenian Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.19 16:14:00 - [287] Edited by: Phoebus Athenian on 19/05/2007 16:14:55 "In reality BoB wants what the Vikings wanted; loot, rape, captive thralls to afford the next expedition." Maybe in part Vikings wanted that... its what Valhall promises after all. But really, what they wanted is to cleanse their lands of Christians and christian invasion, both militarily and culturally. They succeeded for a while, but christians BLOBED:P And like them, BOB surely is after those simple pleasures, destroying/conquering raising their ego. But is there something beyond that? I think there is, or should be. This game is about the players controlling everything, if their goal is to do that, or half of that (Empire) then its not a bad idea. I'd like to see the empire being player-run with all the things that come with it. And if they can do it, so can the 'opposition'. Another goal may be to push the game, the rest of the players to try harder, try to reach them, try to beat them even. And by trying alone, improve their status, strategies, and arsenals. Some people want BOB to just disappear because its "hurting the game", others consider it a needed entity. I have to agree with the later, a BOB-like entity is needed in any game to give the opposition fuel and maintain a challenge. Everything in eve is setup in the form of challenges, even in the player-run world. When alliances get too big too powerful and gloatful, BOB and MC keep them in check. Honestly though I'd rather see 3 or better 4 major forces in the game, to keep politics interesting. Oh and to keep hiring us mercs :P ---
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.19 23:10:00 - [288] Edited by: Lone Bear on 19/05/2007 23:13:13 Without an opposing force, or call it "The Alliance" / "The Empire" / "The Evil Side" vs "Coalition of family values" / "The Coalition" / "The Rebels" etc etc who would get any motivations to play? Peace-lovers? "Carebears"? "Industrialists"? Without at least 2 block facing each others, and fighting each other for whatever reason, all those "clean hands", "hate war love peace" ( ) wouldnt do nothing. Why do you build and sell mods, ships? Cause peoples lose them, in combat mostly, even if i heard that Guristas were really devastating in those 1.0 space lvl4 agent deadspaces... War brings money, easy to see it in RL, and easier to see here (sorry for the RL comparison, but damn...) With a constant peace, this huge portion of the EvE population would be bankrupted; although, stacking piles of tritanium and zydrine might be a lot of fun, who knows... So like it or not, BoB and its allies and, on the other side, RA-D¦-Goon and their allies, make EvE work good. Now, we all know what would be the political landscape after the final countdown , and those are two opposite conceptions of "politics". Edit: typos, might have not corrected them all tho
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron	Posted - 2007.05.20 12:20:00 - [289] BoB is so 1337. Im sure they won't lose. But they will never win :P
Dashhammer II Amarr O RLY corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.20 13:58:00 - [290] Bob wants what they have never had... They want to stop being attacked all the time.

xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron	Posted - 2007.05.20 14:05:00 - [291] Edited by: xRazoRx on 20/05/2007 14:03:20 IMO redswarm & southern friends did nothing special to BoB before they decided to help LV with "the zerg".
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.20 20:05:00 - [292] Originally by: Dashhammer II Bob wants what they have never had... They want to stop being attacked all the time. what have you been smoking ? Been there, done that and ffs dont want it again.
Something Random Gallente F.S.O.	Posted - 2007.05.20 21:03:00 - [293] I think they're still demanding Shwubewies.
Fendragun Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.20 21:06:00 - [294] been a member of bob for a long time and I know what bob want. less lag and more phew phew.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.21 02:05:00 - [295] Originally by: Lone Bear Edited by: Lone Bear on 19/05/2007 23:13:13 Without an opposing force, or call it "The Alliance" / "The Empire" / "The Evil Side" vs "Coalition of family values" / "The Coalition" / "The Rebels" etc etc who would get any motivations to play? Peace-lovers? "Carebears"? "Industrialists"? Without at least 2 block facing each others, and fighting each other for whatever reason, all those "clean hands", "hate war love peace" ( ) wouldnt do nothing. Why do you build and sell mods, ships? Cause peoples lose them, in combat mostly, even if i heard that Guristas were really devastating in those 1.0 space lvl4 agent deadspaces... War brings money, easy to see it in RL, and easier to see here (sorry for the RL comparison, but damn...) With a constant peace, this huge portion of the EvE population would be bankrupted; although, stacking piles of tritanium and zydrine might be a lot of fun, who knows... So like it or not, BoB and its allies and, on the other side, RA-D¦-Goon and their allies, make EvE work good. Now, we all know what would be the political landscape after the final countdown , and those are two opposite conceptions of "politics". Edit: typos, might have not corrected them all tho I hate to break it to you but before bob exists in any of the large range of games you play there was fighting and pvp and there will always be fighting and pvp in those games after you are no more as an entity, do not think you are the saviors of eve by trying to take over conquerable space. Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
Valandril Caldari Reiketsu. Hitchhiker's Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.21 05:15:00 - [296] Actualy my well informed (and a bit drunk) source told me that theyr plan is: Caldari, Amarr, Gallente, BoB :P Just messing, u all know --- Cheap paint ftw
Morela Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.21 05:43:00 - [297] Edited by: Morela on 21/05/2007 05:42:50 A Nice Mutton, Lettuce And Tomato Sandwich... Where The Mutton Is Nice And Lean And The Tomato Is Ripe.. They're so perky. I love that...
5amm The Archaeological Squirrel Society	Posted - 2007.05.21 11:50:00 - [298] Does BOB not want what we all want? To expand and be successful at bringing our people to the next level? Well i believe for BOB thats what they are doing. Its a leaders job to take his people where they have not been before, not show them what they already know. Regardless if BOB is despised by most people I talk to, I do believe that any of us would have to say we would probably do the same poo they do in the end. I dont think its that complicated..... So, no uber controversy or backhanded world domination theroys outta me. Raiders of the Lost Nut
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.21 12:18:00 - [299] ive seen a lot of ppl putting that BOB is trying to rule all of 0.0 and i think there wrong for several reasons firstly its about game play eventualy BOB if they keep winning will be so out numbered even there skills at pvp will do them no good i mean it seems to me that ppl think just cos a large alliance falls the players disapear they dont. so eventualy BOB may become victims of there own successes. ie; honking off every non BOB aligned player in the game. plus ofcourse there gonna pick fights with the largest boys on the block its hardly a challenge for there war machine to go after a 40 man corp or alliance and not much fun either id think. i think if you look at it from a non predudicial point of view there doin what were all doin only better and with more success a success that will proly eventualy be there downfall. take into account that they are also pvpers and to rule all of 0.0 would end almost all pvp for them i doubt there objective is to rule eve just to have fun and pvp there just so big and so good they find it hard to get a true challenge
AvanCade Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.21 13:29:00 - [300] Originally by: Shardrael Quote: I hate to break it to you but before bob exists in any of the large range of games you play there was fighting and pvp and there will always be fighting and pvp in those games after you are no more as an entity, do not think you are the saviors of eve by trying to take over conquerable space. We are not talking about any other game, we are talking about eve. As an entity we are not gone yet, so do not be to presumptious. Also i would learn how to pvp and scout before talking about BoB's level of pvp. #\|----> \///-----\|==== <\|[]- /\\\-----\|==== #\|----> ASCII Jove

Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.21 13:53:00 - [301] Originally by: Dionisius Errm its bob's space them, and your punny alliance, holds nothing, so stfu. Ok I give up. I tried long and hard to find the Pun in Corelum Syndicate but I just dont get it. Please explain. Its too obscure even for me.
Liz Asher	Posted - 2007.05.21 14:48:00 - [302] Originally by: Jurbil I'm not even sure what that means, but... NO U! Die BoB scum, viva la South! Goons 4ever!!11!!!!1 lulz
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.21 17:57:00 - [303] Originally by: Shardrael I hate to break it to you but before bob exists in any of the large range of games you play there was fighting and pvp and there will always be fighting and pvp in those games after you are no more as an entity, do not think you are the saviors of eve by trying to take over conquerable space. If you took more time to read what I wrote and you didnt jumped on the "omg he wrote bob! he's in bob! he's flattering his ego, he thinks his alliance is the savior of EvE" thing, you would have seen that I didnt depicted the alliance I'm part of as the savior of EvE, but, as a piece -among others as stated in my "text"- of the complex engine this universe is run by. And please, dont tell that I play a large range of game, you got no idea about it. By the way, hate to break it on you, but you should read Diana's History books, you would learn some aspects and times you dont know yet about EvE history. And who dont like to read Diana's poetry?
Xarax Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:31:00 - [304] BoB wants base...and soon, all your base are belong to us! _______
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.21 22:41:00 - [305] Originally by: Nim9i5 BoB has no respect the leaders cheated multiple times. NO WAI?!?! Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
Karash Amerius Amarr O.E.C Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2007.05.21 23:13:00 - [306] To answer the OP directly: BoB wants to have fun PVP'ing in Eve. pretty simple. Merc Blog
Valandril Caldari Reiketsu. Hitchhiker's Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.21 23:54:00 - [307] snip - removed references to deleted posts. -Ivan K --- Cheap paint ftw
Splade Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.22 00:21:00 - [308] Edited by: Splade on 22/05/2007 00:19:19 I see BOB as kind of snip - please avoid real life political references like that. -Ivan K of EVE, although not always in a bad way attempting to lay claim to and dominated the whole of the 0.0 regions in the game. For me BOB are making the game more enjoyable by presenting a challenge to beat them and take what they have developed. Beating them down and smack talking them is just the same as a die hard Man U supporter slagging off Chelsea saying they bought their titles rather than won them through skill.
Gaunty Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.22 00:44:00 - [309] Originally by: Splade Edited by: Splade on 22/05/2007 00:19:19 Beating them down and smack talking them is just the same as a die hard Man U supporter slagging off Chelsea saying they bought their titles rather than won them through skill. But Chelsea did buy all their titles and cups...
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.22 00:49:00 - [310] I want to own my very own outpost with my very own set of pets building me my very own titan while I pod and grief every one of you special people back to empire. ThatÆs what I want. The truth will set you free

Ira Theos	Posted - 2007.05.23 23:23:00 - [311] Originally by: Uuve Savisaalo the goal is total victory over all potential opposition, complete subjugation of all conquerable space and the bringing into effect rules amongst the vassal states that will keep anyone other than bob-affiliates from building supercapitals or moon-mining some of the more rare component material. In effect this gives bob ability to decide who gets to have capital fleets or not really. Opposition past the point of losing everything is in fact possible, but you have one central entity controlling much of the tech2 construction, all supercapital construction and availability, all direct access to faction and officer modules and very tight regulation of their property to those who are not themselves - even their vassals are forbidden from mnining and manufacturing certain things under penalty of armed ejection, and even today they spend much of their time forcebly-removing tennants who fail/refuse to pay for whatever reason. In the unlikely event of their complete success their bandwagon is likely to grow considerably, turning their conquest into a prolonged, sustained market hegemony. QFT.... BEST SUMMARY YET. NEW WORLD ORDER! POWER IS IT'S OWN "RAISON D'ETRE" AND IT'S OWN REWARD. (Not to mention the fact that they will play the game on the backs of their vassals from then on.)
Ivo D Minmatar 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.24 09:27:00 - [312] SO WHAT DO BOB REALLY WANT ? "Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes (and I'm awaiting payment ... will send soon(tm)
Ling Xiao Prism Project Technologies	Posted - 2007.05.24 10:04:00 - [313] Originally by: Ivo D SO WHAT DO BOB REALLY WANT ? More forum posts about them __________ If you think the game is rigged, why are you still playing?
Ling Xiao Prism Project Technologies	Posted - 2007.05.24 10:04:00 - [314] Originally by: Ivo D SO WHAT DO BOB REALLY WANT ? More forum posts about them __________ If you think the game is rigged, why are you still playing?
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.24 10:10:00 - [315] ziggy zig arghhh? Is that what u want, what u really really want?
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.24 10:10:00 - [316] ziggy zig arghhh? Is that what u want, what u really really want?
Seth Quantix Domination.	Posted - 2007.05.24 11:51:00 - [317] yellow slippers
The Anointed Caldari Evolutionary Transhumanist Apperception	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:07:00 - [318] BoB's point of view (I would Imagine); The reason for BoB's existence is to have fun. My point of view; BoB are here to act as the 'bad guys' in eve. Hell, if they werent, then someone else would take thier place.
Vanessa Steelbloom	Posted - 2007.05.24 16:04:00 - [319] Edited by: Vanessa Steelbloom on 24/05/2007 16:04:16 Amused to Death BoB remix, anyone? http://www.lyricscafe.com/w/waters_roger/what_god_wants_part_i.html I can almost hear the chorus refrain... 'What BoB wants.. BoB gets' That would make me laugh so hard. Gotta do that sometime. Cosmic Bloodline Corp.
Bashiri Caldari Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 17:07:00 - [320] Originally by: Sabahl Go start your own thread please, guys. Yes go get your own thread the topic is about bob goals not your personal issues or views of a group of people.

Aya Drunken And Disorderly	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:57:00 - [321] Edited by: Aya on 24/05/2007 19:04:37 Edited by: Aya on 24/05/2007 19:03:49 Lets try this question: Say BoB ends up winning the war and they take over all of 0.0 with their pet corps. Now everyone in 0.0 is pretty much blue except the occasional passer by who might take a raid into 0.0 since most people there will be docked afk/ratting. No stations to blow no capital ship warefare. 0.0 is a fun and friend play to live in rat. What happens now? OK game over you win time to quit Eve and move onto something else. -OR- BoB has Declared War on Axiom Empire, fighting may legally being in 24 hours. BoB has Declared War on Xelas Alliance, fighting may legally begin in 24 hours. BoB has Declared War on YouWhat, fighting may legally begin in 24 hours. I mean if theres noone left to conquer and shoot, its pretty safe to say everything will cave in and all the "Alliance" will turn on eachother literally destroying its infrastructure. I mean why would they care about the monthly ISK payments you give them since they will own pretty much every good plex and all the top mining spots. They will have all the ISK they need why not just continue with the pew pew on people they tolerated cuz AE, XA, YouWhat gave them their lunch money, thats why we play the game isnt it? Not so we can go I have 50 billion isk and nothing to buy! This would allow the alliances like RA, Goons, or whoever exists at that time to come and take their space back since your all so busy shooting eachother. Just a thought, if you win the question becomes "Now what?" www.evedady.com
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.24 20:27:00 - [322] Power and prosperity. That is goal of all alliances in game, BOB play the game properly and effectivly. However I think it's mainly to have fun and have a laugh though. Being outnumbered and winning etc. is always fun. (Ex-BOB myself, had a major 100% good time in BOB). Pwnage PvP Recruitment \m/ Metal Head \m/
Agmar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.25 05:42:00 - [323] I just wanted a pwn signiture for the forums...
Adm Tecumseh Caldari The Templars Knights	Posted - 2007.05.25 05:54:00 - [324] exactly when was it that BoB said they wanted all of 0.0? I am sure that they will stop once they have won this war and walk away from most 0.0 and let the mongrols fight over it again until they get organized and then the fight starts again. Kinda like the big bang theory. But in this case it would be the big Bob theory. HAHAHA
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.25 05:57:00 - [325] Originally by: Aya Lets try this question: Say BoB ends up winning the war and they take over all of 0.0 with their pet corps. Now everyone in 0.0 is pretty much blue except the occasional passerby who might take a raid into 0.0 since most people there will be docked afk/ratting. No stations to blow no capital ship warefare. 0.0 is a fun (or not so fun) and friendly place to live and rat. What happens now? BoB has Declared War on Axiom Empire, fighting may legally being in 24 hours. BoB has Declared War on Xelas Alliance, fighting may legally begin in 24 hours. BoB has Declared War on YouWhat, fighting may legally begin in 24 hours. I hope they don't forget RISE! This day may come, quite sometime for today I am sure as Goonswarm, Red Alliance, and the rest of the Coalition needs to be sent back to Empire first, if it ever does at all, but if it does it will all be good fun. It is the game, and we play it to PvP. If BoB conquers everything and installs 100 tenants all throughout the galaxy and we are all blue as BoB gazes out over their massive accomplishment, I hope BoB does a standing reset and starts all over again. Eve would die if they didn't, and I would welcome the fun it will bring to the game at that time.
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2007.05.25 07:48:00 - [326] Huh? Who are rise anyway? Im pretty sure that BoB wants the same as we do :) Death to f**king all! ¬ Death is only the beginning...
JackOfHearts Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.25 07:58:00 - [327] I've liked bob way before I was in fix, and it was simply that I let myself view bob in my own experiences and not have someone "preach" to me on what I should think. Not all was bad said about them to me I remember Dominion Empire DOOM telling me about bob for the first time how they never lost a war and was a good pvp alliance. I then talked to a few of them one day in a system and they were nice guys, no smack, no additude, just a few guys like me who enjoyed eve. As time went on and now that I'm in fix I see so much hate for bob, I will be honest, I know bob holds a strict style, and it the most powerful alliance in eve. I think that just scares people, like yoda said fear leads to anger hehe. It is kinda sad that new pilots in the game get lied to or brainwashed why there peers about bob. I personally think that if you just have a good personally and be nice to your enemy and allies you will enjoy the game better and your success will always continue.
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2007.05.25 08:07:00 - [328] Edited by: xRazoRx on 25/05/2007 08:14:09 Edited by: xRazoRx on 25/05/2007 08:11:54 Yeah, but the only thing, for example, RA hears from them in local is tied to "i had sexual contact with your family" or "go back to plex, god damned russians". This is so nice nice and original :-* I'd like to see Siddy, repeating his words in Moscow, on russian eve players' party Death is only the beginning...
Glitch 10240 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.25 23:57:00 - [329] I heard they want to put a theme park in Delve by 2008 ----------------------------------- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Please
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2007.05.26 01:01:00 - [330] Daddy Daddy! I want to ride a Machariel! Death is only the beginning...

aquontium Gallente Fourth Circle	Posted - 2007.05.26 10:07:00 - [331] What do BoB want? Publicity.
Anikadir The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.26 13:57:00 - [332] More forum posts about them? For every post that mentions them by name, they get a free BPO for something really cool like Exotic Dancers or Janitors :D
Eledh Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2007.05.26 16:53:00 - [333] Edited by: Eledh on 26/05/2007 16:52:20 BOB? Who are they? http://213.145.46.132/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=33617
Coran Roscai The Ordo Imperialis FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.26 19:08:00 - [334] I can hardly read this thread with so much snip in it. lol ***** The problem with putting in your two cents, is that everybody really hates pennies.
Adaris Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.26 19:09:00 - [335] Last time I heard BoB wanted yurz women. Please Help me, YOU could be next!


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