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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.05 06:47:00 -
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Quote: shut up jade you never fight so i don't think you should be talking about yellow-bellied.
But being a ex high risk trader I did get shot at all the time m'dear, and strangely, I have never changed my corp to avoid the consequences of a corp war.
So tell me again, what was your point?
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.01.05 07:47:00 -
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LMAO. Thanks for the laugh Falzone.
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2004.01.05 08:21:00 -
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I for one feel sorry for this fella. I mean, he robs his corp blind - goes pirate (after having hateflamed me when I was in TLBC for being such a scum wanting to hurt Techell and other hard working people) - loses what he stole - tries exploiting and fails - goes to forums to explain himself t a public who already hates him even though all evidence is against him.
What's next, Falzone? Accidentally deleting your character and pleading for a new one? 
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2004.01.05 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 05/01/2004 08:31:21
Well. I think most of the people replying to this post, is really unmature. And im fraid that its becouse of falzone's corp theft a time a go.
I would like you all to considre this. How many corp theft have it been, where the thieve have handed the loot to an alt (or main) for then deleting the thieve so that the main could enjoy the loot with out the problems following.
Our corp thieve falzone have done no such thing. He have played the game as it is supose to be played and is now taking the heat for it. For this he should get respect and not the out of game hate wich is shown in this thread. I have my self had with the person behind the char falzone to do. I have traded out of game secvices to him and he have not once done anything that can be compared to the "bad guy" falzone as a char. In fact i trust the person behind falzone more, then most of you. (of cource not the char falzone)
But that is far from what you guys and girls are dooing. You have been attacking every post he have made, and breaking his points up into something thats not there.
First it was his terrible loss of real life monney when he tried to sell his isk on ebay. (or was it account) Then now in this thread.
You all know that CCP are not the best and most consice when it comes to how they repond to scams, acusing of exploit and exploiting.
I my self was scamed with a impossible haul mission contract. when i contacted CCP about this the default replay was that i just had to take the loss. When refering to there www they knew they had to redo and give me my losses back. Even after that i have read about pilotes beeing refused refunds for the same scams.
It is not at all impossible that CCP are dooing falzone wrong in the matter he is expressing here. And perhaps some of you rather should discuss that, instead of making statements as there have been made in this thread.
Eve forums are a bounch of rude kids and many of you (jade pluss more) should be way to old to fall in to the same path as the rest of the kids replying.
Pritty p|ssed and tierd of all this childish postings. You wounder why forum activity is falling ?
-- Lady Beeblebrox
Teddybears movies
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Xhalen Toth
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Posted - 2004.01.05 08:33:00 -
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Edited by: Xhalen Toth on 05/01/2004 08:34:40 The bottom line is, whether you agree with it or not, you've been told that what you are doing is considered an exploit. No point in puling, just move on.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.05 08:44:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 05/01/2004 08:31:21
Well. I think most of the people replying to this post, is really unmature. And im fraid that its becouse of falzone's corp theft a time a go.
I would like you all to considre this. How many corp theft have it been, where the thieve have handed the loot to an alt (or main) for then deleting the thieve so that the main could enjoy the loot with out the problems following.
Our corp thieve falzone have done no such thing. He have played the game as it is supose to be played and is now taking the heat for it. For this he should get respect and not the out of game hate wich is shown in this thread. I have my self had with the person behind the char falzone to do. I have traded out of game secvices to him and he have not once done anything that can be compared to the "bad guy" falzone as a char. In fact i trust the person behind falzone more, then most of you. (of cource not the char falzone)
But that is far from what you guys and girls are dooing. You have been attacking every post he have made, and breaking his points up into something thats not there.
First it was his terrible loss of real life monney when he tried to sell his isk on ebay. (or was it account) Then now in this thread.
You all know that CCP are not the best and most consice when it comes to how they repond to scams, acusing of exploit and exploiting.
I my self was scamed with a impossible haul mission contract. when i contacted CCP about this the default replay was that i just had to take the loss. When refering to there www they knew they had to redo and give me my losses back. Even after that i have read about pilotes beeing refused refunds for the same scams.
It is not at all impossible that CCP are dooing falzone wrong in the matter he is expressing here. And perhaps some of you rather should discuss that, instead of making statements as there have been made in this thread.
Eve forums are a bounch of rude kids and many of you (jade pluss more) should be way to old to fall in to the same path as the rest of the kids replying.
Pritty p|ssed and tierd of all this childish postings. You wounder why forum activity is falling ?
Hmm...and there I thought nobody 'got it'.
Nice, Zarquon
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |

Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.01.05 08:48:00 -
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Quote: If they don't want me to be able to do this make it mechanicly impossible to do otherwise its not exploiting.
...Still choking, laughter made breakfast enter lungs, must eject self from thread...       
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.01.05 09:21:00 -
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Leaving and rejoining your corporation is exploiting the gamemechanisms, an act that the corporation Necrosis did on Dutch corp few months back and im glad ppl get punished for it now. __________________________
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.01.05 09:34:00 -
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Quote: you guys are all *******s.
Oh the irony. -------------------------------------------- Dead
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.01.05 09:36:00 -
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Quote: Hmm...and there I thought nobody 'got it'.
Nice, Zarquon
While no one wants to be a victim of a GM rampaging down the wrong path (i.e. we are innocent of the crime accused) it seems fairly obvious that Falzone does indeed exploit by constantly quitting the corporation only to rejoin it in the next station.
I personally don't care what he did before, I only see a guy complaining about using dubious tactics to cover his arse, being reprimanded for it and then crying about it here. Sorry but nothing I can agree with there Jash, you btw have a pretty high horse.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.01.05 09:38:00 -
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I thought it was just an exploit if you did it in space...
Still, at least nobody overreacted... .
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Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2004.01.05 10:04:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 05/01/2004 08:31:21
First it was his terrible loss of real life monney when he tried to sell his isk on ebay. (or was it account) Then now in this thread.
let's see, all your spouting of him following ingame mechanics and blah blah blah, well him selling the isk (worked for by others) on ebay is pretty out of game mechanics to me.
i really really find it hard to call this a terrible loss.
anyways, he got what he dished out  ______________________________________________ Hellmar > sorry for the attitude, playing a n00b character through the current state just left me a bit bitter dev chat: Mar 18, 2004
hellmar> "you lot are just so clever you have a good history for out smarting us :-S " dev chat: Feb 12, 2004 |

Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.01.05 10:16:00 -
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A simple fix for this would be to add a several hour timer to corp quits. You'd stay in your old corp, but have no roles or hanger access. I'd be in favor of a 48 hour one, as switching corps to avoid a fight is one of the lamest tactics around, and it would give corps 48 hours to track corp thieves.
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2004.01.05 10:16:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 05/01/2004 08:31:21
First it was his terrible loss of real life monney when he tried to sell his isk on ebay. (or was it account) Then now in this thread.
let's see, all your spouting of him following ingame mechanics and blah blah blah, well him selling the isk (worked for by others) on ebay is pretty out of game mechanics to me.
i really really find it hard to call this a terrible loss.
anyways, he got what he dished out 
What do you know if falzone "worked" really really hard in all the months he was in that corp with one plan in mind. To rob the corp off ?
I can tell you that when i started to play EVE i planed to be a pirate. Not only that but when i heard of corp thieves i had a master plan in robing space invaders.
Well, i could not do it. Later i have found out that the majority of the pirates in game is rude childs so im pritty glad i have started the walk on the good side of light and darkness.
(no, SI is not childs (well not to many of them atleast) and i do think SI plays a really good game and make the game 10times more fun for us all)
-- Lady Beeblebrox
Teddybears movies
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2004.01.05 10:19:00 -
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Quote: I thought it was just an exploit if you did it in space...
Still, at least nobody overreacted...
The poor chap that camps the station awaiting for falzone to undock will get his a$$ handed to him... I don`t think you check everytime a known person`s corporation , do ya?
I guess everyone will be looking at falzone`s corp from now on
Pretty lame falzone
It has been said before... a certain delay (hours?) should be implemented before your resignation from a corp is made "official" ; that should put an end to this and not half measures such as this quitting only when docked.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.01.05 10:26:00 -
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Fair enough he did the corp theft with his main character and was prepared to take the flak for it but hes been caught fair and square with this.
They should add a feature that stops people RE-joining a corp until it has ended its war. Even then this can still be exploited. Maybe just have a counter that flags players that dot his. That way the gms can quickly spot the people who are deliberatly trying to exploit this loophole from the ones that genuinly want out of the war for good.
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Qual
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Posted - 2004.01.05 10:36:00 -
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Quote: A simple fix for this would be to add a several hour timer to corp quits. You'd stay in your old corp, but have no roles or hanger access. I'd be in favor of a 48 hour one, as switching corps to avoid a fight is one of the lamest tactics around, and it would give corps 48 hours to track corp thieves.
Well, they did it to character deletion. Why not doing it here as well. Sounds like a good idea to me. People shouldnt be changing corp all the time anyways...
As for the rest:
If it looks like an exploit If it smells like an exploit Treat it like an exploit

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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2004.01.05 10:49:00 -
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can we have a rating system on this forum please
*votes this thread 5 stars*
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.01.05 10:56:00 -
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The same happened to me, some CoC fools told the GMs that I quit SI in the middle of combat, which did not happen.
CoC had old visual data (SI ticker, threat light) and attacked me.
Before messing around with players you might want to fix the bugs first CCP. -- Stories: #1 --
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2004.01.05 11:15:00 -
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But that is far from what you guys and girls are dooing. You have been attacking every post he have made, and breaking his points up into something thats not there
What you are basically saying is that this guy, after months of attempts to find a breach in some game mech, after months screwing ppl and using doubtful tactics, has the right to come to the forums and cry victim.
Oh yes, he has that right.
But we have the right to disagree too. Maybe if he stops trying to cheat, rob, deceive, fool, etc etc., and in 6 to 12 months, people will start to take him seriously too.
Now, let me play some devil's advocate.
According to pure game mechanics, he has the *ability* to quit and join a corp to avoid a war: yes. As soon as he got warned for doing that, does he have the *right* to do so ? no.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.05 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 05/01/2004 11:20:34
"I thought it was just an exploit if you did it in space..."
If i remember right, there's a thread some time ago after someone --pursued-- quit their corporation after docking, and when fired upon on undock the campers got their ships promptly shot by the Concord. The person who did that was warned if they keep doing that, it'd be treated as exploit i think...
Wouldn't probably even be an issue if the Concord wasn't so friggin' uber, but oh well. I don't see that changing anywhere soon. :s
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Falhofnir
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Posted - 2004.01.05 11:22:00 -
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Quote: The same happened to me, some CoC fools told the GMs that I quit SI in the middle of combat, which did not happen.
thanks for the insult, you DID leave SI and tried to fool us and get us killed by concord/turrets, you even BOASTED about it in chat right after.
Quote: CoC had old visual data (SI ticker, threat light) and attacked me.
that's true. maybe it's because you even quit corp while warping to us, and our clients didn't have time to sync ? (that's a wild guess, we'll never know how that happened anyway)
Quote: Before messing around with players you might want to fix the bugs first CCP.
and before opening your mouth, you should think twice about not uttering stupid stuff molly. thank you.
your trolling is soooo old.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.01.05 11:32:00 -
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u quit ur corp so u can travel safely, if it isnt an exploit, its a cowardly act that should not be allowed sorry.
U just need to look at ur corp employment history, it speaks volumes....
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.01.05 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 05/01/2004 12:06:39 If you undock its an exploit!
Look, how it is an exploit if you click the buttons on the menu. Where does the line go? Quitting corp in the middle of the combat is doable, so why is that an exploit really?
Crappy coding maybe, crappy design, but not an exploit.
Add a timer or something, because it is not possible to look at your UI and think "Ok if I press these 2 buttons, its OK, buttons 3 & 4 are exploit, 5 is not...etc" --
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.05 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 05/01/2004 12:11:36
"Where does the line go? Quitting corp in the middle of the combat is doable, so why is that an exploit really?
Crappy coding maybe, crappy design, but not an exploit."
Quote: 12.1 What is an exploit?
The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit.
Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule.
... can we give it a rest, now?
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.01.05 12:14:00 -
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Quote: ... can we give it a rest, now?
No we cannot. Because:
Quote:
Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit.
This is as feeble as it could be, what is exploit to you, might be legit for someone else. Are you to make such call?
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |

Sally
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Posted - 2004.01.05 12:20:00 -
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Quote: your trolling is soooo old.
Right, like I'd have the time to quit the corp against 4 battleships in a Blackbird in the middle of a combat .
You just don't get the point. -- Stories: #1 --
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Code404
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Posted - 2004.01.05 12:24:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: ... can we give it a rest, now?
No we cannot. Because:
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Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit.
This is as feeble as it could be, what is exploit to you, might be legit for someone else. Are you to make such call?
CCP made the call smartguy, so stfu and stop trying to validate your intention to cheat in the game by using what you deem NOT an exploit. Cheat by using the explolit, get caught using the exploit, get banned by CCP for using the exploit...simple enough for ya?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.05 12:25:00 -
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"This is as feeble as it could be, what is exploit to you, might be legit for someone else. Are you to make such call?"
I guess if you feel something might not be right but aren't sure, that's what you have the 'other' petitions for. If you think you know better than having to ask and do it your way, but then are told you weren't right... no reason to raise fuss over it, either.
Suggestion how to fix the mechanics so no one else makes the same mistake posted to the Patch Review section seem like better idea. o.O
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.01.05 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 05/01/2004 12:28:14
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CCP made the call smartguy, so stfu and stop trying to validate your intention to cheat in the game by using what you deem NOT an exploit. Cheat by using the explolit, get caught using the exploit, get banned by CCP for using the exploit...simple enough for ya?
First of all pimple-face I was not involved. I don't have intention nor need to use this. The question was relevant.
As for you, stop posting with your alt you piece of ****. --
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