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Falzone
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Posted - 2004.01.05 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: Falzone on 05/01/2004 03:11:57
Quitting a corp in space is no longer a viable option since it was changed in the last patch to only allow you to quit a corp when you are docked. I login today to find a email from a GM I won't post the exact message since these polaris will just snip it out. But he siad that i have been found guilty of using an exploit where i quit my corp in battle to get concord to attack the people shooting at me and that if i did it again i would be Banned. What he said I did isn't even possible to quit in space anymore so how did I do it. I didn't do it period nor would I.
A few months ago someone my corp was at war with did that to us and quit their corp in the middle of a battle and 3 of our battleships were lost. We reported it and the ships were replaced and they said it was an exploit. I know doing that is an exploit from that incident so i know not to do it. If polaris or gms are reading this and going to delete the post I am only posting this because I fear that someone just reported me for doing this lately and somehow the gm believed him and sent me that message. I am posting this cause I want to make clear that I did not do this nor could I cause of game mechanics since the castor patch. I am deeply offended by that message from the GM I know I did not do that and I'm outraged that you would say I did with such certainty of me being guilty.
Please don't post on this topic flaming me for the corp thief that I was or pirate that I am or saying that I got what I deserved or something.
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2004.01.05 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: StealthNet on 05/01/2004 03:20:31
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Falzone
Gallente
The Scope
Nice to see that you are not in Space Invaders anymore and still use their sig. It backs up pretty well your post 
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.05 03:30:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 05/01/2004 03:31:37
"I am deeply offended by that message from the GM I know I did not do that and I'm outraged that you would say I did with such certainty of me being guilty."
Employment history
Corporation: E.P.A. - 2004.01.02 01:56:00
Corporation: The Scope - 2004.01.02 18:45:00
Corporation: E.P.A. - 2004.01.02 21:21:00
Corporation: The Scope - 2004.01.02 22:22:00
Corporation: E.P.A. - 2004.01.03 21:56:00
Corporation: The Scope - 2004.01.04 03:26:00
that message from GM, it wouldn't be actually about exploiting the ability to shield yourself from legal war declared on E.P.A. by joining NPC corporation whenever it happens to be convenient for you... would it? :s
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Falzone
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Posted - 2004.01.05 03:33:00 -
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Josephine yea i have joined and quit epa a few times but thats not illegal. and i didn't quit in the middle of a battle. I docked and quit everytime.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.05 03:34:00 -
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seriously lmao here...
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.05 03:37:00 -
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Perhaps it has now been decreed that repeatedly quitting a corp, then rejoining it later, is an exploit in itself, because it allows you to dock, switch, fly off in safety, then switch back when you're clear of any danger.
Be nice if they'd made that clear before they started warning people for it, though.
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2004.01.05 03:37:00 -
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Josephine yea i have joined and quit epa a few times but thats not illegal. and i didn't quit in the middle of a battle. I docked and quit everytime.
Yeah, sure, whatever
It's a matter of intentions my dear 
Please post some more, Im with a terrible headache, I can use some good laughing
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Code404
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Posted - 2004.01.05 03:41:00 -
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Josephine yea i have joined and quit epa a few times but thats not illegal. and i didn't quit in the middle of a battle. I docked and quit everytime.
...same issue, you quit to evade a hostile action, hoping to dupe the hostiles into shooting at you, thinking you are in the corp they are at war with, and they wouldn't get shot for it....
i.e., you exploited the mechanics to save your butt, while causing GRIEF to others, or attempting too....
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Falzone
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Posted - 2004.01.05 03:41:00 -
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What you guys are saying is changing the subject from what they say I did. So what if I docked and quit my corp then flew off to safety. I can quit or join any corp I want to anytime I want to as all of you can. If they don't want me to be able to do this make it mechanicly impossible to do otherwise its not exploiting.
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Serilla
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Posted - 2004.01.05 03:47:00 -
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Lol
Thanks for the laugh falzone
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.05 03:49:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 05/01/2004 03:51:08
"If they don't want me to be able to do this make it mechanicly impossible to do otherwise its not exploiting."
Uhmm, if something is mechanically impossible to do, then it's also impossible to exploit by doing that. :s
You can only exploit game mechanics by using them in the way the developers didn't intend, or making use of the game bug.
Apparently quitting and re-joining your corporation over and over when you are at war with someone else so they cannot attack you is considered an exploit, and you were told that by the GM. Really no reason to cause storm over it; learn and adapt.
btw, according to your ex-corpmate* limpy bint, it's also "gh3y tactics" as "Concord is nobody's ally" But that's another story. :s
*) or current, or soon-to-be corpmate, depending if you joined/quit E.P.A. again already
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.05 03:51:00 -
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or current, or soon-to-be corpmate, depending if you joined/quite E.P.A. again already
Stop it!
I cant take anymore!!!
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2004.01.05 03:59:00 -
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What you guys are saying is changing the subject from what they say I did. So what if I docked and quit my corp then flew off to safety. I can quit or join any corp I want to anytime I want to as all of you can. If they don't want me to be able to do this make it mechanicly impossible to do otherwise its not exploiting.
Sure, there are thousands, millions of things that are possible to do "mechanically", and the fact that they are, don't make them right. Maybe "right" is not a good word, since there are infinite shades of gray between black and white, but definitely, not something I would do.
Also, there are no mechanical issues with EVE that really asks a player to quit and join a corp repeatedly *but* avoiding a corp war or trying to fool your enemy into opening fire.
In fact, that only proves one thing for sure: that you are really unsure about what corp you wanna join
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2004.01.05 04:11:00 -
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So next time my mom smacks me for messing up the kitchen floor once again with my jogging shoes IŠm gonna tell her how unfair she is because I didnŠt do it when she was at home and RL-mechanics allow it.
Best laugh I had in a while...
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Melchidael
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Posted - 2004.01.05 04:16:00 -
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Falzone, you're missing the point. It's irrelevant that you quit when you were docked; you quit and rejoined the same corp several times during the course of a war that was actively being fought by that corp. I can't think of any other reason to do so than to evade the combat involved with that war (and my guess would be that the GMs think similarly).
"If it's illegal, the game shouldn't let me do it" isn't an excuse either -- just ask certain famous personalities in the pirate realms.
All of this could be understood: you messed up, the GMs called you on it. But you also come on here indignantly protesting the results of your actions? That's impressive.
Do yourself a favor...quit while you're ahea...erm...stop before you look like a...uhm...just quit now.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.05 04:21:00 -
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Falzone you really are a special man.
EPA sack this muppet's numpty-ass already!
He insults the intelligence of Lonetrek by living.
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Falzone
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Posted - 2004.01.05 04:40:00 -
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you guys are all *******s.
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CHUMSICLE
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Posted - 2004.01.05 04:47:00 -
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lol
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.01.05 05:02:00 -
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HostageTaker
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Posted - 2004.01.05 05:04:00 -
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This thread rocks!!!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.05 05:04:00 -
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Want some respect m'dear?
Don't cheat.
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Antelope
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Posted - 2004.01.05 05:05:00 -
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Falzone I hope this is settled, people think that if something like that happens to a pirate that they deserve it. Well they need to put themselves in your shoes.
I support you my friend.
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Raven DeBlade
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Posted - 2004.01.05 05:09:00 -
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haha this is to much... end yourself, your making a bigger A** of yourself than i thought was possible!
"To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.05 05:13:00 -
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Falzone I hope this is settled, people think that if something like that happens to a pirate that they deserve it. Well they need to put themselves in your shoes.
Problem is, I couldn't conceive of a situation where I was so yellow-bellied that I was prepared to cheat to avoid the circumstances of my in-game actions.
How then can I visualise myself in this wormling's shoes?
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mrmille
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Posted - 2004.01.05 05:33:00 -
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I didnt belive this at first
now i realize that some pilots where born with a mental handicap
Thanks for making a difference Falzone.
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KIATolon
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Posted - 2004.01.05 05:43:00 -
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Employment history
Corporation: E.P.A. - 2004.01.02 01:56:00
Corporation: The Scope - 2004.01.02 18:45:00
Corporation: E.P.A. - 2004.01.02 21:21:00
Corporation: The Scope - 2004.01.02 22:22:00
Corporation: E.P.A. - 2004.01.03 21:56:00
Corporation: The Scope - 2004.01.04 03:26:00
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Falzone
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Posted - 2004.01.05 06:05:00 -
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shut up jade you never fight so i don't think you should be talking about yellow-bellied.
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Falzone
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Posted - 2004.01.05 06:06:00 -
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why must you guys always flame these posts you guys are all losers.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.05 06:06:00 -
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No comment on Falzone's actions. It's not necessary.
But I've got a notoriously low tolerance to hypocrisy. And an even lower tolerance for people that not only live in glass houses, but preach from a glass pedestal. 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2004.01.05 06:19:00 -
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maybe you should quit eve, that would solve your problems......
oh that's right, you've already tried that.....
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Hellmar > sorry for the attitude, playing a n00b character through the current state just left me a bit bitter
dev chat: Mar 18, 2004
hellmar> "you lot are just so clever you have a good history for out smarting us :-S "
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.05 06:47:00 -
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shut up jade you never fight so i don't think you should be talking about yellow-bellied.
But being a ex high risk trader I did get shot at all the time m'dear, and strangely, I have never changed my corp to avoid the consequences of a corp war.
So tell me again, what was your point?
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.01.05 07:47:00 -
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LMAO. Thanks for the laugh Falzone.
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2004.01.05 08:21:00 -
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I for one feel sorry for this fella. I mean, he robs his corp blind - goes pirate (after having hateflamed me when I was in TLBC for being such a scum wanting to hurt Techell and other hard working people) - loses what he stole - tries exploiting and fails - goes to forums to explain himself t a public who already hates him even though all evidence is against him.
What's next, Falzone? Accidentally deleting your character and pleading for a new one? 
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2004.01.05 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 05/01/2004 08:31:21
Well. I think most of the people replying to this post, is really unmature. And im fraid that its becouse of falzone's corp theft a time a go.
I would like you all to considre this. How many corp theft have it been, where the thieve have handed the loot to an alt (or main) for then deleting the thieve so that the main could enjoy the loot with out the problems following.
Our corp thieve falzone have done no such thing. He have played the game as it is supose to be played and is now taking the heat for it. For this he should get respect and not the out of game hate wich is shown in this thread. I have my self had with the person behind the char falzone to do. I have traded out of game secvices to him and he have not once done anything that can be compared to the "bad guy" falzone as a char. In fact i trust the person behind falzone more, then most of you. (of cource not the char falzone)
But that is far from what you guys and girls are dooing. You have been attacking every post he have made, and breaking his points up into something thats not there.
First it was his terrible loss of real life monney when he tried to sell his isk on ebay. (or was it account) Then now in this thread.
You all know that CCP are not the best and most consice when it comes to how they repond to scams, acusing of exploit and exploiting.
I my self was scamed with a impossible haul mission contract. when i contacted CCP about this the default replay was that i just had to take the loss. When refering to there www they knew they had to redo and give me my losses back. Even after that i have read about pilotes beeing refused refunds for the same scams.
It is not at all impossible that CCP are dooing falzone wrong in the matter he is expressing here. And perhaps some of you rather should discuss that, instead of making statements as there have been made in this thread.
Eve forums are a bounch of rude kids and many of you (jade pluss more) should be way to old to fall in to the same path as the rest of the kids replying.
Pritty p|ssed and tierd of all this childish postings. You wounder why forum activity is falling ?
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Teddybears movies
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Xhalen Toth
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Posted - 2004.01.05 08:33:00 -
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Edited by: Xhalen Toth on 05/01/2004 08:34:40
The bottom line is, whether you agree with it or not, you've been told that what you are doing is considered an exploit. No point in puling, just move on.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.05 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 05/01/2004 08:31:21
Well. I think most of the people replying to this post, is really unmature. And im fraid that its becouse of falzone's corp theft a time a go.
I would like you all to considre this. How many corp theft have it been, where the thieve have handed the loot to an alt (or main) for then deleting the thieve so that the main could enjoy the loot with out the problems following.
Our corp thieve falzone have done no such thing. He have played the game as it is supose to be played and is now taking the heat for it. For this he should get respect and not the out of game hate wich is shown in this thread. I have my self had with the person behind the char falzone to do. I have traded out of game secvices to him and he have not once done anything that can be compared to the "bad guy" falzone as a char. In fact i trust the person behind falzone more, then most of you. (of cource not the char falzone)
But that is far from what you guys and girls are dooing. You have been attacking every post he have made, and breaking his points up into something thats not there.
First it was his terrible loss of real life monney when he tried to sell his isk on ebay. (or was it account) Then now in this thread.
You all know that CCP are not the best and most consice when it comes to how they repond to scams, acusing of exploit and exploiting.
I my self was scamed with a impossible haul mission contract. when i contacted CCP about this the default replay was that i just had to take the loss. When refering to there www they knew they had to redo and give me my losses back. Even after that i have read about pilotes beeing refused refunds for the same scams.
It is not at all impossible that CCP are dooing falzone wrong in the matter he is expressing here. And perhaps some of you rather should discuss that, instead of making statements as there have been made in this thread.
Eve forums are a bounch of rude kids and many of you (jade pluss more) should be way to old to fall in to the same path as the rest of the kids replying.
Pritty p|ssed and tierd of all this childish postings. You wounder why forum activity is falling ?
Hmm...and there I thought nobody 'got it'.
Nice, Zarquon
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.01.05 08:48:00 -
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If they don't want me to be able to do this make it mechanicly impossible to do otherwise its not exploiting.
...Still choking, laughter made breakfast enter lungs, must eject self from thread... 
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.01.05 09:21:00 -
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Leaving and rejoining your corporation is exploiting the gamemechanisms, an act that the corporation Necrosis did on Dutch corp few months back and im glad ppl get punished for it now.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.01.05 09:34:00 -
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you guys are all *******s.
Oh the irony.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.01.05 09:36:00 -
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Hmm...and there I thought nobody 'got it'.
Nice, Zarquon
While no one wants to be a victim of a GM rampaging down the wrong path (i.e. we are innocent of the crime accused) it seems fairly obvious that Falzone does indeed exploit by constantly quitting the corporation only to rejoin it in the next station.
I personally don't care what he did before, I only see a guy complaining about using dubious tactics to cover his arse, being reprimanded for it and then crying about it here. Sorry but nothing I can agree with there Jash, you btw have a pretty high horse.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.01.05 09:38:00 -
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I thought it was just an exploit if you did it in space...
Still, at least nobody overreacted...
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Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2004.01.05 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 05/01/2004 08:31:21
First it was his terrible loss of real life monney when he tried to sell his isk on ebay. (or was it account) Then now in this thread.
let's see, all your spouting of him following ingame mechanics and blah blah blah, well him selling the isk (worked for by others) on ebay is pretty out of game mechanics to me.
i really really find it hard to call this a terrible loss.
anyways, he got what he dished out 
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Hellmar > sorry for the attitude, playing a n00b character through the current state just left me a bit bitter
dev chat: Mar 18, 2004
hellmar> "you lot are just so clever you have a good history for out smarting us :-S "
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.01.05 10:16:00 -
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A simple fix for this would be to add a several hour timer to corp quits. You'd stay in your old corp, but have no roles or hanger access. I'd be in favor of a 48 hour one, as switching corps to avoid a fight is one of the lamest tactics around, and it would give corps 48 hours to track corp thieves.
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2004.01.05 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 05/01/2004 08:31:21
First it was his terrible loss of real life monney when he tried to sell his isk on ebay. (or was it account) Then now in this thread.
let's see, all your spouting of him following ingame mechanics and blah blah blah, well him selling the isk (worked for by others) on ebay is pretty out of game mechanics to me.
i really really find it hard to call this a terrible loss.
anyways, he got what he dished out
What do you know if falzone "worked" really really hard in all the months he was in that corp with one plan in mind. To rob the corp off ?
I can tell you that when i started to play EVE i planed to be a pirate. Not only that but when i heard of corp thieves i had a master plan in robing space invaders.
Well, i could not do it. Later i have found out that the majority of the pirates in game is rude childs so im pritty glad i have started the walk on the good side of light and darkness.
(no, SI is not childs (well not to many of them atleast) and i do think SI plays a really good game and make the game 10times more fun for us all)
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2004.01.05 10:19:00 -
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I thought it was just an exploit if you did it in space...
Still, at least nobody overreacted...
The poor chap that camps the station awaiting for falzone to undock will get his a$$ handed to him... I don`t think you check everytime a known person`s corporation , do ya?
I guess everyone will be looking at falzone`s corp from now on
Pretty lame falzone
It has been said before... a certain delay (hours?) should be implemented before your resignation from a corp is made "official" ; that should put an end to this and not half measures such as this quitting only when docked.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.01.05 10:26:00 -
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Fair enough he did the corp theft with his main character and was prepared to take the flak for it but hes been caught fair and square with this.
They should add a feature that stops people RE-joining a corp until it has ended its war. Even then this can still be exploited. Maybe just have a counter that flags players that dot his. That way the gms can quickly spot the people who are deliberatly trying to exploit this loophole from the ones that genuinly want out of the war for good.
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Qual
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Posted - 2004.01.05 10:36:00 -
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A simple fix for this would be to add a several hour timer to corp quits. You'd stay in your old corp, but have no roles or hanger access. I'd be in favor of a 48 hour one, as switching corps to avoid a fight is one of the lamest tactics around, and it would give corps 48 hours to track corp thieves.
Well, they did it to character deletion. Why not doing it here as well. Sounds like a good idea to me. People shouldnt be changing corp all the time anyways...
As for the rest:
If it looks like an exploit
If it smells like an exploit
Treat it like an exploit
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2004.01.05 10:49:00 -
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can we have a rating system on this forum please
*votes this thread 5 stars*
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.01.05 10:56:00 -
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The same happened to me, some CoC fools told the GMs that I quit SI in the middle of combat, which did not happen.
CoC had old visual data (SI ticker, threat light) and attacked me.
Before messing around with players you might want to fix the bugs first CCP.
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2004.01.05 11:15:00 -
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But that is far from what you guys and girls are dooing. You have been attacking every post he have made, and breaking his points up into something thats not there
What you are basically saying is that this guy, after months of attempts to find a breach in some game mech, after months screwing ppl and using doubtful tactics, has the right to come to the forums and cry victim.
Oh yes, he has that right.
But we have the right to disagree too. Maybe if he stops trying to cheat, rob, deceive, fool, etc etc., and in 6 to 12 months, people will start to take him seriously too.
Now, let me play some devil's advocate.
According to pure game mechanics, he has the *ability* to quit and join a corp to avoid a war: yes. As soon as he got warned for doing that, does he have the *right* to do so ? no.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.05 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 05/01/2004 11:20:34
"I thought it was just an exploit if you did it in space..."
If i remember right, there's a thread some time ago after someone --pursued-- quit their corporation after docking, and when fired upon on undock the campers got their ships promptly shot by the Concord. The person who did that was warned if they keep doing that, it'd be treated as exploit i think...
Wouldn't probably even be an issue if the Concord wasn't so friggin' uber, but oh well. I don't see that changing anywhere soon. :s
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Falhofnir
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Posted - 2004.01.05 11:22:00 -
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The same happened to me, some CoC fools told the GMs that I quit SI in the middle of combat, which did not happen.
thanks for the insult, you DID leave SI and tried to fool us and get us killed by concord/turrets, you even BOASTED about it in chat right after.
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CoC had old visual data (SI ticker, threat light) and attacked me.
that's true. maybe it's because you even quit corp while warping to us, and our clients didn't have time to sync ? (that's a wild guess, we'll never know how that happened anyway)
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Before messing around with players you might want to fix the bugs first CCP.
and before opening your mouth, you should think twice about not uttering stupid stuff molly. thank you.
your trolling is soooo old.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.01.05 11:32:00 -
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u quit ur corp so u can travel safely, if it isnt an exploit, its a cowardly act that should not be allowed sorry.
U just need to look at ur corp employment history, it speaks volumes....
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.01.05 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 05/01/2004 12:06:39
If you undock its an exploit!
Look, how it is an exploit if you click the buttons on the menu. Where does the line go? Quitting corp in the middle of the combat is doable, so why is that an exploit really?
Crappy coding maybe, crappy design, but not an exploit.
Add a timer or something, because it is not possible to look at your UI and think "Ok if I press these 2 buttons, its OK, buttons 3 & 4 are exploit, 5 is not...etc"
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"Where does the line go? Quitting corp in the middle of the combat is doable, so why is that an exploit really?
Crappy coding maybe, crappy design, but not an exploit."
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12.1 What is an exploit?
The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit.
Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule.
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Luc Boye
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... can we give it a rest, now?
No we cannot. Because:
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Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit.
This is as feeble as it could be, what is exploit to you, might be legit for someone else.
Are you to make such call?
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your trolling is soooo old.
Right, like I'd have the time to quit the corp against 4 battleships in a Blackbird in the middle of a combat .
You just don't get the point.
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Posted - 2004.01.05 12:24:00 -
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... can we give it a rest, now?
No we cannot. Because:
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Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit.
This is as feeble as it could be, what is exploit to you, might be legit for someone else.
Are you to make such call?
CCP made the call smartguy, so stfu and stop trying to validate your intention to cheat in the game by using what you deem NOT an exploit.
Cheat by using the explolit, get caught using the exploit, get banned by CCP for using the exploit...simple enough for ya?
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j0sephine
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"This is as feeble as it could be, what is exploit to you, might be legit for someone else.
Are you to make such call?"
I guess if you feel something might not be right but aren't sure, that's what you have the 'other' petitions for. If you think you know better than having to ask and do it your way, but then are told you weren't right... no reason to raise fuss over it, either.
Suggestion how to fix the mechanics so no one else makes the same mistake posted to the Patch Review section seem like better idea. o.O
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CCP made the call smartguy, so stfu and stop trying to validate your intention to cheat in the game by using what you deem NOT an exploit.
Cheat by using the explolit, get caught using the exploit, get banned by CCP for using the exploit...simple enough for ya?
First of all pimple-face I was not involved. I don't have intention nor need to use this. The question was relevant.
As for you, stop posting with your alt you piece of ****.
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This is as feeble as it could be, what is exploit to you, might be legit for someone else.
Are you to make such call?
That's why there is a thing called warnings.
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Wild Rho
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It is an exploit. The devs are only human and cannot forsee every form of exploit that may occur.
In this case a person quits their corp to avoid the reprocussions of the war they are involved in and rejoins once they are safetly at their destination. This goes against the very idea of the war. Just becuase it was not anticipated by the devs and therefore didn't have some form of counter does not mean its ok to use it.
Sadley the only way to spot many exploits of game mechanics is to wait until somone acctually uses it.
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Posted - 2004.01.05 12:50:00 -
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Finally...
Seeing that Falzone receives a warning about that exploit really makes me think this game is improving!
Seems to me that they've considered what he did, why he did it, and then ruled that he "used a flaw in the game mechanic to gain an unfair etc etc advantage" := EXPLOIT. (Not accurate quote - but something like that).
Just one word for it: GREAT!
If CCP now would keep it up - look at ppls INTENT when they do this and that... We'd end up with a better game.
(Side-note: I 2nd the one that said it's good rp from Falzone keeping his char instead of using alt after the corp theft.)
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Jash Illian
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Hmm...and there I thought nobody 'got it'.
Nice, Zarquon
While no one wants to be a victim of a GM rampaging down the wrong path (i.e. we are innocent of the crime accused) it seems fairly obvious that Falzone does indeed exploit by constantly quitting the corporation only to rejoin it in the next station.
I personally don't care what he did before, I only see a guy complaining about using dubious tactics to cover his arse, being reprimanded for it and then crying about it here. Sorry but nothing I can agree with there Jash, you btw have a pretty high horse.
No, I don't have a high horse. My horses were pretty normal, thank you. I'm just getting pretty damn sick of some of the petty hypocrites around here opening their mouths to berate others about fair/foul play.
Now should I take mah boomstick to the knees of your horse, Riddari? Seeing as how you found it appropriate to question my behavior while ignoring my first post in this thread which started with:
"No comment on Falzone's actions. It's not necessary"
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.01.05 13:20:00 -
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Oh Jash, your horse at the very least is sporting some platform hoofwear .
I hate to disrupt a good slingfest (and thanks to polaris and crew for not consigning this thread to oblivion, tho maybe they're just not awake yet...) but couldn't this all be avoided by having a similar waiting period for corp-quitting as there is for character termination?
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spot on.
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I just feel sorry for the poor sod who has chased Falzone into a station.
Waits for him to undock, opens fire and then gets owned by Concord.
How many of you people defending Falzone can honestly say that you check your enemy's corporation everytime he undocks?
How would you feel to lose a BS to this?
It is a lame tactic and as j0 has pointed out an exploit!
Falzone CCP were right to WARN you...
Thanks for highlighting the subject though as at least everyone is warned about this now!
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.05 13:28:00 -
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Oh Jash, your horse at the very least is sporting some platform hoofwear .
BH, there's a point which really shouldn't be crossed. I may seem amoral to most people. But strangely enough I do have some very strong morals and convictions.
I just don't act like a silly jackass and expect others to actually live up to my personal code of 'honor' by bashing them to death with reproachment for failing to do so.
But hypocrisy can make me go there.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
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I just feel sorry for the poor sod who has chased Falzone into a station.
Waits for him to undock, opens fire and then gets owned by Concord.
How many of you people defending Falzone can honestly say that you check your enemy's corporation everytime he undocks?
How would you feel to lose a BS to this?
It is a lame tactic and as j0 has pointed out an exploit!
Falzone CCP were right to WARN you...
Thanks for highlighting the subject though as at least everyone is warned about this now!
You and many here are asuming to much. You have no knowlede to say this. You dont even know if he was fired at 1minute or 3 houers after he had quited his corp. I see no one here defending falzone for the quiting of his corp. I ame defending falzone for some pritty lame comments towards him as a person and human.
"end your self"
"you should quit playing eve"
"you are so #put in what you like here#"
This have nothing to do with what falzone is expresing in this thread.
If you read what he says, he says that he have been warned for quiting in battle. If this is possible or not i dont know, but he argu its not even possible. If thats so then CCP us basicly wrong as usaly.
Falzone as a char is a bastard. I would be the first to agree to that, but this topic is out of character and you should act the same way. And when you do, get your act to gether and act as a thinking person with some respect for the individ.
If no one will speak whats wrong ill be the first to step in. And this boards need more friendly people dooing exactly that in a maner that atleast try to get past the arguing between my litle sister and brother at age 9 and 5
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No, I don't have a high horse. My horses were pretty normal, thank you. I'm just getting pretty damn sick of some of the petty hypocrites around here opening their mouths to berate others about fair/foul play.
Who are the hypocrites Jash?
I think its time for you to produce the employment histories of other people on this thread knocking Falzone for serial corp-war evasion while doing it themselves.
Isn't that what hypocrites do Jash?
Or are you simply throwing some mud from your high horse?
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Zarthan
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Posted - 2004.01.05 13:46:00 -
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Quiting your copr is a lame tactic and it's nice to see ccp doing something about those lame tactics. I've seen this a lot in the past and it's really rather ridiculous that people will do things to cause wars then try to exploit game mechanics to avoid the wars. Falzone I think you would have been better served not posting that complaint as it was pretty clear you were exploiting the game mechanics.
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Haha, first, I cannot believe you actually created this thread *yourself*. Comedy gold
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How many of you people defending Falzone can honestly say that you check your enemy's corporation everytime he undocks?
Okay, as you might see, I don't support him at all (I was close to petitioning this yesterday when I saw his employment history), BUT. If someone docks and quits the corp, wouldn't that mean the ticker is no longer displayed when you undock?
People not even checking the ticker before they attack should really change their habits.
Also, if this actually occured during a war, the attacker should also make sure that the orange reticle is displayed.
/me gives thread an imaginary score of 5/5
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Code404
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Posted - 2004.01.05 14:25:00 -
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CCP made the call smartguy, so stfu and stop trying to validate your intention to cheat in the game by using what you deem NOT an exploit.
Cheat by using the explolit, get caught using the exploit, get banned by CCP for using the exploit...simple enough for ya?
First of all pimple-face I was not involved. I don't have intention nor need to use this. The question was relevant.
As for you, stop posting with your alt you piece of ****.
you are violating the forums rules. Insulting others and using profanity. Pann will be displeased!
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No, I don't have a high horse. My horses were pretty normal, thank you. I'm just getting pretty damn sick of some of the petty hypocrites around here opening their mouths to berate others about fair/foul play.
Who are the hypocrites Jash?
I think its time for you to produce the employment histories of other people on this thread knocking Falzone for serial corp-war evasion while doing it themselves.
Isn't that what hypocrites do Jash?
Or are you simply throwing some mud from your high horse?
Posted - 05/01/2004 06:06:00
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No comment on Falzone's actions. It's not necessary.
Were my words. "It's not neessary" being rather pertinent.
Again, don't go there. You're starting to grate some of my morals and ethics in my code of 'honor' against one another.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.01.05 14:55:00 -
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Oh Jash, your horse at the very least is sporting some platform hoofwear .
BH, there's a point which really shouldn't be crossed. I may seem amoral to most people. But strangely enough I do have some very strong morals and convictions.
I just don't act like a silly jackass and expect others to actually live up to my personal code of 'honor' by bashing them to death with reproachment for failing to do so.
But hypocrisy can make me go there.
of all the flames i've ignited in your direction... this wasn't one. lighten up
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Jash Illian
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Oh Jash, your horse at the very least is sporting some platform hoofwear .
BH, there's a point which really shouldn't be crossed. I may seem amoral to most people. But strangely enough I do have some very strong morals and convictions.
I just don't act like a silly jackass and expect others to actually live up to my personal code of 'honor' by bashing them to death with reproachment for failing to do so.
But hypocrisy can make me go there.
of all the flames i've ignited in your direction... this wasn't one. lighten up
Check your mail ingame
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Hardin
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Posted - 2004.01.05 14:59:00 -
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BUT. If someone docks and quits the corp, wouldn't that mean the ticker is no longer displayed when you undock?
People not even checking the ticker before they attack should really change their habits.
Also, if this actually occured during a war, the attacker should also make sure that the orange reticle is displayed.
Good points!
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.01.05 15:01:00 -
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I just feel sorry for the poor sod who has chased Falzone into a station.
Waits for him to undock, opens fire and then gets owned by Concord.
How many of you people defending Falzone can honestly say that you check your enemy's corporation everytime he undocks?
How would you feel to lose a BS to this?
It is a lame tactic and as j0 has pointed out an exploit!
Falzone CCP were right to WARN you...
Thanks for highlighting the subject though as at least everyone is warned about this now!
You and many here are asuming to much. You have no knowlede to say this. You dont even know if he was fired at 1minute or 3 houers after he had quited his corp. I see no one here defending falzone for the quiting of his corp. I ame defending falzone for some pritty lame comments towards him as a person and human.
"end your self"
"you should quit playing eve"
"you are so #put in what you like here#"
This have nothing to do with what falzone is expresing in this thread.
They everything to do with it.
I'm sorry, but when you skirt the edges of exploit and throw, deliberately, any concept of "fair play" out the window for your own good time and giving no thought to anyone else's, you'd better at least have the intestinal fortitude to deal with the inevitable legions of fans you're going to generate.
I'm not sure what you're on about, Zarq, honestly. Fal's been a jerk, by his own admission, and he has every right to be as far as pirating and even, sadly, corpthievery.
And everyone else has the right to get ****ed off at him.
There are lines that shouldn't be crossed; but every time some shady player gets on here trying to play the I Been Wronged card it is *his* post that breaks the line first, frankly. That's just pushing it, and everyone's ****edoffedness now grounds into you. WTF was he expecting?
The whole thrust of his post, after all, is that we should, on his say-so as on honest fair-playin' guy, believe his word that he was not and has not exploited vs. a GM's that he may have been and that he might be banned if he exploits.
Read that again. He may be banned *if he uses the exploit.* He says he doesn't exploit. So there's no problem, RIGHT?
What i and Hardin and many others see, is some git who skirts the exploit line to grief others who now comes on here... what, to get sympathy? Because he misjudged where that line was? Ooops. Poor You. Have a cookie.
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Oh Jash, your horse at the very least is sporting some platform hoofwear .
BH, there's a point which really shouldn't be crossed. I may seem amoral to most people. But strangely enough I do have some very strong morals and convictions.
I just don't act like a silly jackass and expect others to actually live up to my personal code of 'honor' by bashing them to death with reproachment for failing to do so.
But hypocrisy can make me go there.
of all the flames i've ignited in your direction... this wasn't one. lighten up
Check your mail ingame
if i could DO YOU THINK I'D BE SCREWING AROUND HERE
ah, monday. nice to see all the after-holiday traffic back on the roads too... argh
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Bad Harlequin hit the nail on its head. Good post and I fully agree with what he said.
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This topic has brought out the worst in some of you forum bigshots...
I'll put in my 0.02ISK:
Jade says numpty far too often.
As for Bad Harlequin... pant, wibble. 
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Posted - 2004.01.05 15:17:00 -
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Page two, full of flaming.
Thread locked..
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Page two, full of flaming.
NO LET ME IN BEFORE LOCK!
Edit: OMG, Orestes is getting sloowwwwww.
Third edit really slow.
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Posted - 2004.01.05 15:19:00 -
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Check your mail ingame
if i could DO YOU THINK I'D BE SCREWING AROUND HERE
ah, monday. nice to see all the after-holiday traffic back on the roads too... argh
Should get a job where you can hop ingame while at work
I know full well what Falzone did. If I knew him and knew what he was about to post, I'd have told him he shouldn't play with matches while soaked in gasoline. But I don't know him and we've got a scene reminiscent of the closing skit from Richard Pryor Live on the Sunset Strip.
For the rest, well you'll have to read your mail
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Coincidence? I think not.
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Orestes rolls a 1 and has a critical fumble, dropping the keys...
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Orestes rolls a 1 and has a critical fumble, dropping the keys...
Drethen rolls a six and strikes a critical spam!
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omg stupid forum getting slow on me
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