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Hazkr Rwzk coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.11 20:47:00 - [1] This is why i hate vegeterians and vegeans who force there life style on others. And ffs dont force it onto somethign that cannot live in that lifestyle. Pointless deaths 4tl. 6 week starves to death on Soy milk and apple sauce
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.05.11 20:50:00 - [2] Just the fact that they named their son 'Crown Shakur' was enough for me to want to eviscerate the parents. They should enjoy their lifelong stay in PMITA prison.
Alvar Ursidae Amarr Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.05.11 21:39:00 - [3] Wrong on SO many levels... Bastards deserve the prison time they got, if not more. People should NOT force their life style on ANYONE, no matter the relationship or age, they should do the best they can for them, until they can start making that decision themselves, for themselves. Now, everybody start hugging each other, and be nice, cause I frikken said so!
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.12 00:04:00 - [4] Stupid people. Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.12 00:24:00 - [5] The reason humanity is right now the dominant species on this planet is because our brain grew due to the protein we got from eating other animals. Vegetarians, and especially vegans, are moronic and ignorant. Period. ------------------------- Sigs are for noobs.
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.05.12 01:07:00 - [6] Is it kill the hippie day? If so I must have missed it I could just as easily quote the amount of fat, lazy, meat eaters who die each day. I mean really. This an isolated case ffs, and really not worth the post. if anyone is pushing an agenda its you. While I am a meat eater, I only eat organic everything. The proponents of a vegan/vego lifestyle have brought a lot of important information to light regarding animal cruelty, diet, the ridiculous amounts of additives and hormones that riddle foods these days. Have you seen how long it takes our bodies to rot due to all these additives? Think of what its doing to us while we are alive.
mamolian Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.12 01:17:00 - [7] Give the dog a rubber bone.. Stupid stupid people.. -------------------------------
Andicuri Vas Gallente MetaForge Ekliptika	Posted - 2007.05.12 03:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Locus Bey The proponents of a vegan/vego lifestyle have brought a lot of important information to light regarding animal cruelty, diet, the ridiculous amounts of additives and hormones that riddle foods these days. Have you seen how long it takes our bodies to rot due to all these additives? Think of what its doing to us while we are alive. Unfortunately, they don't make much of a case for longevity. /saws bright red ribeye A V
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.05.12 03:32:00 - [9] Edited by: Locus Bey on 12/05/2007 03:31:03 Originally by: Andicuri Vas Originally by: Locus Bey The proponents of a vegan/vego lifestyle have brought a lot of important information to light regarding animal cruelty, diet, the ridiculous amounts of additives and hormones that riddle foods these days. Have you seen how long it takes our bodies to rot due to all these additives? Think of what its doing to us while we are alive. Unfortunately, they don't make much of a case for longevity. /saws bright red ribeye A V I would suggest your average vegan/vego lives longer and healthier.
Hypatia Iola Caldari Central Defiance Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.05.12 06:01:00 - [10] and i would refute your claim, as all the people i can think of that i know who have killed themselves(or attempted, as they might in the future) have been vegan... but that's personal experience. it's all about balance, personally i can't stand veggies most of the time, but meh... I represent only my own views, they just happen to be the right ones.
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.05.12 06:35:00 - [11] Originally by: Hypatia Iola and i would refute your claim, as all the people i can think of that i know who have killed themselves(or attempted, as they might in the future) have been vegan... but that's personal experience. it's all about balance, personally i can't stand veggies most of the time, but meh... that's your refutation?
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.05.12 07:43:00 - [12] Is it really against vegan tenants to breast-feed? I mean, it's a conscious choice. I really don't see how this could be an issue. If you want to do it, where's the problem? That could have prevented this whole problem. Originally by: Troy Knight [After training Warp Drive Ops I] Still time I could have used training something else.
Kye Kenshin coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.12 08:56:00 - [13] Originally by: Locus Bey Edited by: Locus Bey on 12/05/2007 03:31:03 Originally by: Andicuri Vas Originally by: Locus Bey The proponents of a vegan/vego lifestyle have brought a lot of important information to light regarding animal cruelty, diet, the ridiculous amounts of additives and hormones that riddle foods these days. Have you seen how long it takes our bodies to rot due to all these additives? Think of what its doing to us while we are alive. Unfortunately, they don't make much of a case for longevity. /saws bright red ribeye A V I would suggest your average vegan/vego lives longer and healthier. Well Its pretty obvious vegan babies don't.
Zalathar Minmatar Biometaloid INC	Posted - 2007.05.12 08:57:00 - [14] Vegetarians i can stand, as long as they keep it to themselves, but "holier than thou" vegans forcing their unhealthy lifestyle on others disgusts me to the core. Vegans do not live longer than people eating healthy balanced meals. Vegan meals cannot be balanced, as they do not get calcium (no milk products) or iron (fish, red meat, and eggs). Veganism is absurd and wrong. People who do it are uneducated hippies who think all they do is good for the planet and the world, and they believe it makes them better than others. ~~~~~~ mods, if you think i'm ugly please say "eeek!" ~~~~~~ eeeeeekk - Deckard
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.05.12 09:05:00 - [15] It truely amazes me how ignorant some of you can be. It's about time you did some reading, instead of making ridiculous off the cuff statements that are completely incorrect. You ever heard of India? of Buddhism? In case you didn't realise it over 1/5 of the worlds population is covered just there as vegetarians, and have been so for a few thousand years. And whether a diet is vego or vegan it is beyond simple to make it balanced
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.12 09:26:00 - [16] Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 12/05/2007 09:25:31 Originally by: Locus Bey It truely amazes me how ignorant some of you can be. It's about time you did some reading, instead of making ridiculous off the cuff statements that are completely incorrect. You ever heard of India? of Buddhism? In case you didn't realise it over 1/5 of the worlds population is covered just there as vegetarians, and have been so for a few thousand years. And whether a diet is vego or vegan it is beyond simple to make it balanced There's two sides to every coin. To imply all vegans are healthier than all meat eaters is as narrow minded as you claim everyone else to be. That's an enormous brush you are taring everyone with. If you took a person and fed them a vegan diet and then a balenced diet, you'd find they we're fitter with the later diet. Red meat contains proteins we use for muscle growth that we don't produce enough of ourselves. Fish produces oil's that work wonders for the brain. It's the same principle with animals eating eating certain plants/elements because of their content. It doesn't mean to say your 300lb guy who eats red meat all day is healthier than the 120lb guy who eats tofu. Generally vegans are more health concious, so that's how it appears. Im not saying being Vegitarian or Vegan is bad. What i am saying is feeding a baby soya milk and apple sauce and expecting her to be able to survive is a sign of two very stupid people who have blindly followed a dietry lifestyle without knowing the full implications, which ultimatly led to the childs death. Even i know babies need lots of fat and protein when they're very young. Thats what breast milk is essentially. Soya milk doesn't even come close. Ignorance is no excuse. Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
Brisi Veto.	Posted - 2007.05.12 09:34:00 - [17] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Originally by: Locus Bey It truely amazes me how ignorant some of you can be. It's about time you did some reading, instead of making ridiculous off the cuff statements that are completely incorrect. You ever heard of India? of Buddhism? In case you didn't realise it over 1/5 of the worlds population is covered just there as vegetarians, and have been so for a few thousand years. And whether a diet is vego or vegan it is beyond simple to make it balanced There's two sides to every coin. To imply all vegans are healthier than all meat eaters is as narrow minded as you claim everyone else to be. That's an enormous brush you are taring everyone with. If you took a person and fed them a vegan diet and then a balenced diet, you'd find they we're fitter with the later diet. Red meat contains proteins we use for muscle growth that we don't produce enough of ourselves. Fish produces oil's that work wonders for the brain. It's the same principle with animals eating eating certain plants/elements because of their content. It doesn't mean to say your 300lb guy who eats red meat all day is healthier than the 120lb guy who eats tofu. Generally vegans are more health concious, so that's how it appears. Im not saying being Vegitarian or Vegan is bad. What i am saying is feeding a baby soya milk and apple sauce and expecting her to be able to survive is a sign of two very stupid people who have blindly followed a dietry lifestyle without knowing the full implications, which ultimatly led to the childs death. Even i know babies need lots of fat and protein when they're very young. Thats what breast milk is essentially. Soya milk doesn't even come close. Ignorance is no excuse. What this man said. They deserved what they got, no question about it. Resistance is Fertile.
Cipher7 Keepers of the Holy Bagel SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.12 09:59:00 - [18] That poor baby didn't deserve to have a pair of idiot hippies for parents. Why do you think nature puts ******* on females, are they just ornaments? Every part of your body has a function, every part is there to serve a biological purpose, from reproduction, to feeding babies, to excreting waste. Man is an OMNIVORE, we can survive on a diverse array of nutriets, but we do best when we have EVERYTHING available to eat. By the way soy inhibits production of testosterone, that's why liberals are big fans of veganism, they want all men to be sensitive new age douchbags.
Constantine Arcanum IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2007.05.12 10:50:00 - [19] could you not take vitamin supplements if you are a vegan or is that not usually the done thing? fkin stupid parents though.
Araxmas The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.05.12 11:00:00 - [20] Originally by: Locus Bey Is it kill the hippie day? If so I must have missed it I could just as easily quote the amount of fat, lazy, meat eaters who die each day. I mean really. This an isolated case ffs, and really not worth the post. if anyone is pushing an agenda its you. I could be wrong but ive never heard of a family stuffing a 6 week old to death with burgers...than again it wouldn't suprise me if that actually has happened. -------- Robbie Rotten left me
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.05.12 11:13:00 - [21] i said the average vegan/vego was probably healthier and lived longer, not all. read more carefully of course what those parents did was unconscionable, but its hardly representative of vego/vegans. if you read the article you would see as the prosecutor aptly puts it ôThe child died because he was not fed. Period.ö thats the point not whether the parents where vegan. a balanced diet doesn't require meat ffs. you can get everything you need as a vego/vegan quite easily. in fact you are more likely to get a 'balanced' diet from being vego/vegan given that you eat a greater variety of foods, probably in season, and you are better able to digest them than those diets heavier in meat. just for your own knowledge why don't you take the time to look up vego/vegan diet and see for yourselves as i said before india is predominately vego, and has been so since god knows when. you'd think if it was unhealthy they would know by now
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.05.12 11:17:00 - [22] Edited by: Locus Bey on 12/05/2007 11:21:57 Originally by: Constantine Arcanum could you not take vitamin supplements if you are a vegan or is that not usually the done thing? fkin stupid parents though. yes you can. more to the point there are numerous vegetables and fruits that contain all the necessary irons, etc that 1 commentator mentioned as reason for meat being required. just look at things like spinach/okra/brocolli, nuts, tofu, cerals, legumes, rice, figs/almonds, to name a few.
d'hofren Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.12 11:48:00 - [23] Edited by: d''hofren on 12/05/2007 11:47:37 Edited by: d''hofren on 12/05/2007 11:47:11 Originally by: Araxmas Originally by: Locus Bey Is it kill the hippie day? If so I must have missed it I could just as easily quote the amount of fat, lazy, meat eaters who die each day. I mean really. This an isolated case ffs, and really not worth the post. if anyone is pushing an agenda its you. I could be wrong but ive never heard of a family stuffing a 6 week old to death with burgers...than again it wouldn't suprise me if that actually has happened. It is quite common, and to some point socialy acceptable, to stuff your children with reprocessed meats additives and sugar. Have you never heard of childhood obesity? Just because these parents were vegan does not mean that all vegans are unhealthy bigots with no concept of how to take care of a child.
smashsmash	Posted - 2007.05.12 12:11:00 - [24] babies don't exactly eat prime ribs at that age so i don't see how it'd be that hard to be animally friendly with the baby food. those parents sound fanatical, though, like they were punishing their kid for their own failure in life.
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.12 12:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Locus Bey i said the average vegan/vego was probably healthier and lived longer, not all. read more carefully Which i agree with. Originally by: Locus Bey of course what those parents did was unconscionable, but its hardly representative of vego/vegans. if you read the article you would see as the prosecutor aptly puts it ôThe child died because he was not fed. Period.ö thats the point not whether the parents where vegan. a balanced diet doesn't require meat ffs. you can get everything you need as a vego/vegan quite easily. in fact you are more likely to get a 'balanced' diet from being vego/vegan given that you eat a greater variety of foods, probably in season, and you are better able to digest them than those diets heavier in meat. just for your own knowledge why don't you take the time to look up vego/vegan diet and see for yourselves as i said before india is predominately vego, and has been so since god knows when. you'd think if it was unhealthy they would know by now Whether you're more healthy on a vegan or 'other' diet is neither here nor there. There are plus' and minus' to both, but that's really not the issue. Both we agree can and are maintained. I think ultimatly those comments before were directed not at Vegan's per-say, but more at the type of people who follow a fad without knowing exactly what they are doing. I'd take a stab in the dark and say all those Vegans in India you mention still breast feed their children, and/or eat(feed their children) protein and fat heavy substitutes while doing so. Those idiots going to jail obviously didn't know what they were doing as Vegans and it cost the life of a child. The problem ultimatly is our decreasing knowledge of what we are eating. Both the idiot who eats at McDonalds everyday and the moron who eats nothing but Soya because Cosmo said some miscilanious movie star does are both as bad as each other. Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.12 12:14:00 - [26] How do you spell overkill? First time parents, thought their way of life was good for baby(perhaps the medical business should've FORCED some knowledge about malnutrition too), didn't know better and when they did notice everything wasn't right(not all parents are so anal about their wee ones), it was too late. Could be more then malnurishment to this also(refer to House episode "Babies and bathwater"(or something along those lines.
Hazkr Rwzk coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.12 15:58:00 - [27] the kid weighed 3 and a half punds u know theres something wrong when the kid weighs less then when it came out. I am not forcing a lfiestyle on any one. Meateaters who die of heart attacks and fatness they cose that, they chose to eat all those twinkies, when did this baby choose to starve to death? Also this is a debate over whos healthier veagons or meat eaters this is a. Babies can not live on a vaegan lifestyle. Vegetarian yes. vaegan no. Also the mother was dumb *****. "I R wuntz giv ma kid breast milkz cuz baba cows that go moo moo dontz get there malk?" actual quote from the mother. (This is an automated message: Sarcasm detectd)
Hazkr Rwzk coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.12 16:04:00 - [28] im drunk post dosnt make sense in communist forum posts make you.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.12 17:53:00 - [29] It's everyone's responsibility to make sure that anyone dependent on them for food is given a proper, balanced diet. Period. I don't care what anyone's personal habits and agendas are, you've got to make sure babies are looked after right. As with all things, some people are just stupid. Just as eating meat is completely healthy, right up until you finish your 15th cheese burger of the day, so can vegetarianism be healthy if people aren't ridiculous about it. My dad's vegie, and all it means to him is that he doesn't eat meat and does eat more cheese and eggs and such. And his athleticism puts me to shame --------
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.05.12 21:59:00 - [30] Edited by: voogru on 12/05/2007 21:57:37 I think the baby dying to a pure vegetarian diet proves that, a pure 100% vegan diet probably isn't the best of diets. I don't know about you, but I think a mix of both is what we're supposed to eat.

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