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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.25 07:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Ryo Jang
pardon me, but i remember it being 100% safe. when noone would dare to attack someone else because their ship would be destroyed. that is when the system worked, and then people found that numbers + cheap ships == greater reward for little risk. so why complain when ccp fills this ugly hole?
would you be complaining today if they had made concord deactivate offensive modules immediately upon activation from the very beginning of eve? probably not.
Suicide ganking may have been less likely in the past, but safety was never guaranteed, and that is an important part of EVE, that you aren't safe anywhere.
Had Empire been 100% safe since day 1, of course I would not be complaining, because EVE would have been a subtly different game from day 1. It is because it has been this way since EVE began that I argue that CCP shouldn't suddenly give a level of safety which never existed before just because of one arguably overpowered tactic.
I cannot argue the finer points of balancing suicide ganking as I have not been engaged in it as either the aggressor nor the victim, however the concept of making empire 100% safe is independent from suicide ganking, and it is a concept which I, and apparently CCP, disagree with.
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Liilli Lee
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Posted - 2007.07.25 08:11:00 -
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As I see it there is more to it than just preying on defenceless targets.
Insurrance;
Usually insurrance doenst pay out on suiside, beeing killed by police isnt really suiside. But since the person KNOWS he will be popped, then lets call it "Suiside by cop". This removes insurrance for beeing popped by the law (Concord etc.). This part should keep big time haulers happy. (at least thats all im preparred to give them)
Macro miners; (and partly ore/loot thieves)
As for macro miners (they should be reported to CCP - not popped/gangked/whaterver, but CCP doesnt seem to be ..hmm.. effective on that area).
Increase the NPC belt rats. Its really kinda sad to see ICE miners beeing able to tank rats intended to introduce some element of risk in belts. 1, 2 or even 3 frig-rats isnt more than an annoying fly to these miners - in belts from 0.5 and upwards, the rats should be at least doubled. And drop in a cruiser or two in ice belts.
These ppl are often hiding in NPC corps, thus avoiding some game-related ways of dealing with them (war-decs beeing the obvious one). Force players out of NPC corps after X months of ages and/or Y skillpoints. If the player hasnt found a corp in that time, then assign him to a non-corp (ie. solo player) and allow him to war-dec'd as an individual - or create a corp for him and assign him to his own corp.
Maybe even a veeeery small sec. standing hit for taking from other players cans.
Risk vs. reward;
This is usually commented by pirates pvpers etc. - and this should ALWAYS be true.
But lets face it; pirate'ing is just for people who can't handle a real work from 9 to 5 (joke)
Pirates (and ppl shooting other players ships are pirates - even if they do it by suiside or whatever) usully shouts "there is no risk in Empie" ... but where are the bounty hunters ?? People who could "contract" killing known pirates. Let us have sellable/transferalbe kill-rights. Known pirates (even small ones) should not be able to take a walk in the mist of Empire with no risk.
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Morwagorion
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Posted - 2007.07.25 08:52:00 -
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o/ - signed
- Remove insurance from Concord killed
- Concord should target drones as well ships
that's all
Suicide gank is fun, even from the other side.
i've never been a suicide, but i do like the "thrill" and the ability of tanking tarnsport ships
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Nicho Void
Gallente
Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:34:00 -
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I'm still waiting for a response to my question:
Do people suicide gank using their mains? If yes, I agree with the OP.
If no, the "risk" for the attacker is completely removed and an unbalance exists.
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morgannax
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:57:00 -
[125]
well you know what, guess we're a minority but some of us dont wanna join a real corp, go to 0.0/low sec, etc
me, i am perfectly happy if i am the only living person in the game. i am happy to mine or run missions. don't care if i ever chat with anyone in the game but people who don't want to deal with all crap /pvp, etc should be able to do what they want in hi-sec and not have to worry about getting their ships/frieghters, whatever blown up by ******s. ya guys wanna kill peeps, go out into low-sec/0.0 and fight someone who WANTS to fight back
can i have a server where i am the only live person in the game please...............
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Awateru
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Posted - 2007.07.25 20:00:00 -
[126]
cba to read the full post, but I /sign this, and I'm currently taking a break from low/zero sec being an empire carebear.
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frihetskjemper
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Posted - 2007.07.26 04:02:00 -
[127]
Originally by: morgannax
well you know what, guess we're a minority but some of us dont wanna join a real corp, go to 0.0/low sec, etc
me, i am perfectly happy if i am the only living person in the game. i am happy to mine or run missions. don't care if i ever chat with anyone in the game but people who don't want to deal with all crap /pvp, etc should be able to do what they want in hi-sec and not have to worry about getting their ships/frieghters, whatever blown up by ******s. ya guys wanna kill peeps, go out into low-sec/0.0 and fight someone who WANTS to fight back
can i have a server where i am the only live person in the game please...............
Play eve with full understanding of risk involved.
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Seymour Buttz
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Posted - 2007.07.26 04:18:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Seymour Buttz on 26/07/2007 04:18:33
hatehatehate alts
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Ungdall
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Posted - 2007.07.26 04:19:00 -
[129]
Never really go into Empire, but when I do I want it to be interesting.
/signed
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.26 05:02:00 -
[130]
Moar empire ganking plz.
Down with *****whipped noobs who want to further carebearize Eve. It's gotten carebearized enough already. 
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Hiesi
Cryo Crypt inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.26 05:57:00 -
[131]
Gotta pop em all! -signed-
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Richard Aiel
Caldari
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.07.26 06:28:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Nicho Void
I'm still waiting for a response to my question:
Do people suicide gank using their mains? If yes, I agree with the OP.
If no, the "risk" for the attacker is completely removed and an unbalance exists.
a LOT of the "whine" threads about getting killed by suiciders say that the characters were EXTREMELT NEW and thats how they knew they were suiciders and not a regular gank.
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We have never, nor will we ever, hack, ddos, or otherwise use OUT OF GAME means to gain ANY advantage.- Dianabolic
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Metal Thong
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Posted - 2007.07.26 06:31:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
I hope its still part of the devs vision for the game.
Their vision is to siphon off as much money from you as possible and then close eve and do something else.
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Lady Beauvoir
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Posted - 2007.07.26 06:48:00 -
[134]
Originally by: morgannax
well you know what, guess we're a minority but some of us dont wanna join a real corp, go to 0.0/low sec, etc
me, i am perfectly happy if i am the only living person in the game. i am happy to mine or run missions. don't care if i ever chat with anyone in the game but people who don't want to deal with all crap /pvp, etc should be able to do what they want in hi-sec and not have to worry about getting their ships/frieghters, whatever blown up by ******s. ya guys wanna kill peeps, go out into low-sec/0.0 and fight someone who WANTS to fight back
I am sorry, but I just cannot see your reasoning behind this. For example, someone complaining that their ship got attacked in high-sec might, for example, buy and sell things on the market or mine asteroids. Since I do not want anyone to compete with me on the market or mining business, do I have the right to demand that they should be made unable to compete with me for the profits on the market or those asteroids? After all, I do not want that kind of non-consensual PVP.
Everything you do in EVE is PVP. Want to mine roids? Fine, then you mined them before someone else did and he got nothing. Buy a module on the market? That's a good deal snatched away from someone else. Selling modules? You are taking a sale away from someone else and taking ISK away from him. Moving valuable cargo in high-sec? Those are things you got and someone else didn't. The massive orgy of blood and destruction ongoing in 0.0 is just a more direct way of PVP, but not at all the most damaging.
My point in short: after the instant you board your newbie ship and complete the tutorial you are participating in some form of PVP, no matter what you do. The only way not to PVP is not to play at all; and once you start, everyone is fair game.
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2007.07.26 14:06:00 -
[135]
CONCORD Police Commander places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 5079.8 damage.
Clearly CONCORD needs another buff...
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Nicho Void
Gallente
Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2007.07.26 14:20:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Nicho Void
I'm still waiting for a response to my question:
Do people suicide gank using their mains? If yes, I agree with the OP.
If no, the "risk" for the attacker is completely removed and an unbalance exists.
a LOT of the "whine" threads about getting killed by suiciders say that the characters were EXTREMELT NEW and thats how they knew they were suiciders and not a regular gank.
Thank you for your response, but I'm going to take the general silence in regards to my question as saying, "Yes, Nicho, we do use alts to suicide gank and we realize we're altering the risk/reward balance when we do so, but too damn bad, we love free ****!"
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Jessica Lorelei
Minmatar
Vitae Mecha
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Posted - 2007.07.26 14:22:00 -
[137]
/signed
gank away!
and this is coming from someone who can fly a freighter :P
-NEVER CONFUSE OPINION WITH FACT-
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Asmosis
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Posted - 2007.07.26 14:42:00 -
[138]
/signed.
I got suicide ganked on my first day during the tutorial, but managed to get back faster than him and steal his wreck loot XD
The change to insurance would be a nice idea. Seems kinda silly with concord going
"Hey sorry we blew up your ship, heres the keys to a new one"
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frihetskjemper
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Posted - 2007.07.26 18:29:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Asmosis
/signed.
I got suicide ganked on my first day during the tutorial, but managed to get back faster than him and steal his wreck loot XD
The change to insurance would be a nice idea. Seems kinda silly with concord going
"Hey sorry we blew up your ship, heres the keys to a new one"
You teach him a lesson that he not forget to kill a newbie make sure friend clean up.
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frihetskjemper
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Posted - 2007.07.26 20:13:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Nicho Void
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Nicho Void
I'm still waiting for a response to my question:
Do people suicide gank using their mains? If yes, I agree with the OP.
If no, the "risk" for the attacker is completely removed and an unbalance exists.
a LOT of the "whine" threads about getting killed by suiciders say that the characters were EXTREMELT NEW and thats how they knew they were suiciders and not a regular gank.
Thank you for your response, but I'm going to take the general silence in regards to my question as saying, "Yes, Nicho, we do use alts to suicide gank and we realize we're altering the risk/reward balance when we do so, but too damn bad, we love free ****!"
No prepared person crying about freighter gank.
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frihetskjemper
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Posted - 2007.07.26 22:22:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Nicho Void
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Nicho Void
I'm still waiting for a response to my question:
Do people suicide gank using their mains? If yes, I agree with the OP.
If no, the "risk" for the attacker is completely removed and an unbalance exists.
a LOT of the "whine" threads about getting killed by suiciders say that the characters were EXTREMELT NEW and thats how they knew they were suiciders and not a regular gank.
Thank you for your response, but I'm going to take the general silence in regards to my question as saying, "Yes, Nicho, we do use alts to suicide gank and we realize we're altering the risk/reward balance when we do so, but too damn bad, we love free ****!"
Alt fly dominix?
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frihetskjemper
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Posted - 2007.07.27 01:37:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Ryo Jang
pardon me, but i remember it being 100% safe. when noone would dare to attack someone else because their ship would be destroyed. that is when the system worked, and then people found that numbers + cheap ships == greater reward for little risk. so why complain when ccp fills this ugly hole?
would you be complaining today if they had made concord deactivate offensive modules immediately upon activation from the very beginning of eve? probably not.
Suicide ganking may have been less likely in the past, but safety was never guaranteed, and that is an important part of EVE, that you aren't safe anywhere.
Had Empire been 100% safe since day 1, of course I would not be complaining, because EVE would have been a subtly different game from day 1. It is because it has been this way since EVE began that I argue that CCP shouldn't suddenly give a level of safety which never existed before just because of one arguably overpowered tactic.
I cannot argue the finer points of balancing suicide ganking as I have not been engaged in it as either the aggressor nor the victim, however the concept of making empire 100% safe is independent from suicide ganking, and it is a concept which I, and apparently CCP, disagree with.
Empire never 100% safe.
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Ivan Kirilenkov
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.07.27 06:59:00 -
[143]
Old thread bump - locked.
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