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Jenga Heirmatu
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Posted - 2007.05.15 11:30:00 -
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Just a thought, but there is often an under current of "new players" don't stand a chance in EVE, which I personally don't agree with.
What if CCP just pushed a reset button and put everyone back to square one. Apart from the skills a character has everything back to the beginning, 5,000 isk in an Ibis. No alliances, corps, POSs, sovereignity, nothing.
I'd imagine there will be huge numbers of complaints about such an idea, so instead how about a second cluster, starting from the beginning once again? |
Asestorian
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.05.15 11:40:00 -
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This topic has come up time and time again, and it has always been thought of as a bad idea.
People would quit if the server was reset. Their years of hard work simply removed.
The whole idea of the single universe is gone if there is a second shard (not counting the China one which was for legal reasons). EVE works because it is on the single server. In reality, there is no need for the new players to feel like they are left behind, because pure skillpoints don't matter, you need to take into account your own abilities as well, and any new player can get better with those quickly.
When it comes to ISK, again, new players simply need to think and they can be rolling on a mountain of the stuff in short order.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.15 11:41:00 -
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... and 98% of the community leaves to play another game.
A single shard is what makes EVE unique, making another just makes it like any other MMO, resetting would be like going back 4 years, everything I have worked for during these past years would be gone in a second. I wouldn't stay around.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.05.15 11:44:00 -
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Chribba, you would have 1 tritanium again. --- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune |
Malcanis
High4Life
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Posted - 2007.05.15 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jenga Heirmatu Just a thought, but there is often an under current of "new players" don't stand a chance in EVE, which I personally don't agree with.
What if CCP just pushed a reset button and put everyone back to square one. Apart from the skills a character has everything back to the beginning, 5,000 isk in an Ibis. No alliances, corps, POSs, sovereignity, nothing.
I'd imagine there will be huge numbers of complaints about such an idea, so instead how about a second cluster, starting from the beginning once again?
How about: No
What makes you think that the exact same situation wouldn't instantly start developing on the new server? So really, the issue isn't that older players are more powerful; it's that you want to be more powerful.
The only reason I'd support the creation of a new server would be if it had different rules: let's create a new all-hi-sec super-concord-protected server where all the whiney carebears, "crafters" and PvP haters can make ISK in peace, and leave the rest of us alone to actually play & enjoy EVE.
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Charlie Narda
Caldari DEATH'S LEGION Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.05.15 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Charlie Narda on 15/05/2007 11:43:19 What a Stupid Idea. Anyone who thinks of Such stupid things should be Podded Immediately
EDIT: And if your going to think of Stupid things and post them, next time you should use your Main
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.05.15 11:46:00 -
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Keep Eve unsharded plx. sig down temporarily
Originally by: welsh wizard You might not be able to kill anything but you can sure as hell ignore it and go about your business
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.15 11:46:00 -
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And then in six months time we'd have exactly the same thing being proposed. After all, how would the new players be able to compete with the six month old vets?
And six months after that, we'd have it all over again.
And six months after that.
Ad infinitum.
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Barbaro55a
Caldari Os Lobos Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.15 12:56:00 -
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I'm a noob, glad to admit it. If your not willing to put in the effort to train to be good, don't play, this post makes me so angry, i might just cry.
Now you've done it, i'm sobbing like a child who's lost her doll.
Hang on, where's my doll?
Eve is good because of the single cluster and the fact you HAVE to learn, either by training skills or asking more experiance people the best way to do things, you can't just mashbuttonsandhopeitallgoeswellthendownloadamacrotogrindforyouwhileyousitinthegardentormentingcats. .......................................... We come in Peace, FIRE AT WILL---Blog |
smashsmash
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Posted - 2007.05.15 13:07:00 -
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The skill system is what makes EVE-Online the game that it is. Planetarion is a web based game that's similar to EVE (has a skill system), but they have resets. I didn't play but a few rounds because I wanted to accomplish something for playing over the years.
Everyone has to get use to the skill system in EVE and people will get ANGRY with it after doing stupid stuff like training a rank 8 skill to level five and realizing it was the wrong one. Patience and planning young padawan grasshopper.
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Ashraaf
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.15 13:08:00 -
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Ctrl Q is faster than pushing the reset button :p
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.15 14:21:00 -
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You've also got to remember, that there are 10m SP pilots who completely pwn 40m SP pilots in combat.
It's not all about who has the most skillpoints. There are many skillpoint plateau's in the game.
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Barbaro55a
Caldari Os Lobos Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.15 14:24:00 -
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Exactly, having 12 mil Sp in industry isn't going to help when my drones are removing armour from yuor ship piece by piece. .......................................... We come in Peace, FIRE AT WILL---Blog |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.05.15 14:28:00 -
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To the OP:
Simply put, a reset won't happend because it is, as explained by several of the above posters: a) pointless (you'd "solve" nothing unless you do cyclical resets every couple of months or so, and not even then) b) counter-productive (congratulations, you destroyed everybody's work so far, hope you're happy) c) damaging (everybody but the newest members would just up and leave)
As for a second "instance" of EVE, we already have the China cluster (well, THEY have it), and to be honest, I believe I speak for a *vast* majority of players when I say "NO, THANKS". _ MySkills | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Angellyne
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Posted - 2007.05.15 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis How about: No
What makes you think that the exact same situation wouldn't instantly start developing on the new server? So really, the issue isn't that older players are more powerful; it's that you want to be more powerful.
The only reason I'd support the creation of a new server would be if it had different rules: let's create a new all-hi-sec super-concord-protected server where all the whiney carebears, "crafters" and PvP haters can make ISK in peace, and leave the rest of us alone to actually play & enjoy EVE.
LOL, on the first server no buyers, on the second nothing to buy.
Better yet, how about a separate cluster just for people who only see half of any issue? It'd be cheap too, since you guys would only need half the regions, half the colors, sound effects in mono, and so on.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.15 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jenga Heirmatu Just a thought, but there is often an under current of "new players" don't stand a chance in EVE, which I personally don't agree with.
What if CCP just pushed a reset button and put everyone back to square one. Apart from the skills a character has everything back to the beginning, 5,000 isk in an Ibis. No alliances, corps, POSs, sovereignity, nothing.
I'd imagine there will be huge numbers of complaints about such an idea, so instead how about a second cluster, starting from the beginning once again?
Rebalance the chemicals in your brain please.
This can be done by drinking one gallon of grain alcohol right before you put your head in a microwave.
Microwave must be set to 50% power for five minutes.
Wait for the ding.
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The Lesson
Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.05.15 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: The Lesson on 15/05/2007 16:59:10
Originally by: Jenga Heirmatu Just a thought, but there is often an under current of "new players" don't stand a chance in EVE, which I personally don't agree with.
What if CCP just pushed a reset button and put everyone back to square one. Apart from the skills a character has everything back to the beginning, 5,000 isk in an Ibis. No alliances, corps, POSs, sovereignity, nothing.
I'd imagine there will be huge numbers of complaints about such an idea, so instead how about a second cluster, starting from the beginning once again?
If that ever went ahead, I would be praying for the tool responsible to get hit by a truck with several active chainsaws tied to its rear bumber.
[EDIT] ARGH! Stupid alt!
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Rake Mizar
Freelance Assassins
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Posted - 2007.05.15 17:38:00 -
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I played for years in a game that had a periodic reset. You know what happened? The good players were still the good players, the good corps were still the good corps, and the rabble rabble was still the rabble.
Don't be Uncle Rico with the time machine, play the hand that's dealt you.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.05.15 17:45:00 -
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You want others to suffer because you were slow getting on the EVE bus? No, now stfu and make your own fortune and stop asking CCP to hold you damn hand.
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Vana Gank
Gallente Kebabtossers
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:08:00 -
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This is NOT *Planetarion*
There will be no Round #2 of Eve
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Donathan Slade
Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:12:00 -
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I'm new, whatever. I have very few SP (4Mill ish) and I'm just starting to rat in 0.0
Now, we all know about RL. the purpose of EVE was to simulate RL things in a space based adventure game. There is no RL Reset button, you don't get to choose how good you are or where you are born. And there is NO RESET BUTTON..
So why should we "reset" EVE? Do you get mad because you didn't win in life? Just suck it up and deal.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:19:00 -
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I'm curious if the people who call for a reset in EVE do the same in any other MMO they play? And if not, why not? It doesn't matter what game you play, there's always going to be someone a zillion levels above you, or with better gear than you could hope to have. If that's a rough concept to live with, maybe MMOs aren't your thing.
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Tonkin
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Donathan Slade I'm new, whatever. I have very few SP (4Mill ish) and I'm just starting to rat in 0.0
Now, we all know about RL. the purpose of EVE was to simulate RL things in a space based adventure game. There is no RL Reset button, you don't get to choose how good you are or where you are born. And there is NO RESET BUTTON..
So why should we "reset" EVE? Do you get mad because you didn't win in life? Just suck it up and deal.
i wish there was reset button in life. dont get too drunk one nite and go with a minger. remeber the lotto numbers
so no if i cant have the real life button i wont allow a eve button
tin foil?
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DNSBlackknight
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:23:00 -
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Well reseting is a bad idea but a second server would be cool but it would have to be different. Here is an idea.
1. Make it race spicific. No multi race corps. It would be fun to have a race only corp and see all Gal, Mim, Amar and caldari fighting for space and pushing the other out.
I spent some time in Planetside and it was cool having three races fighting and only having access to there equipment. It would be fun to fight for an empire territory. You could create three sancutary areas and that would be empire for those races and then try to expand from there. The empire area would not be that large either creating and it would all be 0.0 based server. Just some food for thought
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lordharold
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:39:00 -
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Whilst a few of you may disagree (somewhat violently!) with the OP, there is no need to flame or insult.
-Lord Harold
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: lordharold Whilst a few of you may disagree (somewhat violently!) with the OP, there is no need to flame or insult.
-Lord Harold
I think this is getting personal Harold, seeing as I keep getting the moderator axe. Perhaps you should just lock the thread, its spam, nothing with change, so why discuss it?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: lordharold Whilst a few of you may disagree (somewhat violently!) with the OP, there is no need to flame or insult.
-Lord Harold
I think this is getting personal Harold, seeing as I keep getting the moderator axe. Perhaps you should just lock the thread, its spam, nothing with change, so why discuss it?
Its not spam just because its been discussed before. New players seriously asks stuff like this... people should just ignore it instead of seriously considering that ccp may change the entire game based on one post. --- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jenga Heirmatu Just a thought, but there is often an under current of "new players" don't stand a chance in EVE, which I personally don't agree with.
What if CCP just pushed a reset button and put everyone back to square one. Apart from the skills a character has everything back to the beginning, 5,000 isk in an Ibis. No alliances, corps, POSs, sovereignity, nothing.
I'd imagine there will be huge numbers of complaints about such an idea, so instead how about a second cluster, starting from the beginning once again?
God not another one of these! Wtf is it with some people? Are they just so damn' crap at Eve that they don't have anything to lose from a reset? Or don't they understand the whole point of it?
If you suck so bad that you think that a reset will help you then delete your characters and start again. Leave the rest of us to continue building our characters and helping the noobs become awesome. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
[Brackley, UK]
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Blind Man
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:57:00 -
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bad idea.. I know a lot of people who have put a silly amount of effort to get where they are in the game now
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Soto ShinDo
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.15 19:05:00 -
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The big problem with the skill system in EVE is that new players NEVER will be able to catch up on older players. No matter how much they play. And don't tell me that your personal skills will help - that's ridiculous. Let a 4 week char fight against a 12 months Char. Both with the best ship and fitting they (can) have. Even if both played 4 weeks effectively (the noob char played all the time while the one year char only played from time to time). The 4 week Char will NEVER win. That's why so many new players are ****ed off with PVP in EVE. They can play sa long as they want and will never catch up. EVE is the only game with such a system. I do see and appreciate the advantages of this skill system but I hate the disadvantages. I don't understand why CCP didn't choose a mixture between the current skill system and the usual XP systems used in other MMOGs. E.g. keep the current system but honor people who play a lot with a 'learning time bonus'. Get x min bonus on current learned skill as agent reward. Find a special imp 'Learning time speed up 2x for 24 h' in the overseer loot etc. pp. There are lots of possibilities. I already hear the '2004'-Chars whining 'NO, NEVER'. Wouldn't be so easy to gank noobs anymore, eh ?
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