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Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.05.17 02:59:00 - [61] I think there is a giant divide between how the elite %1 plays Eve and how %99 play Eve. Most Eve players will never SEE a titan much less come anywhere close to killing one. The %1 who is willing to metagame, set their alarm clocks for 5am for POS takedowns, and generally devote their life to "win" Eve are generally the ones flying the titans, and they are also the ones who are capable of taking one down. For the other %99 of the Eve population, a titan is the 0.0 version of Concord, you fired a shot at the wrong guy and got instapopped. Having a Bob player come here and say that Titans can be killed is like having Donald Trump give a seminar on how I too could become a billionare. The question CCP must ask itself at the end of the day is : Did we make this game for the %1 elite or the %99 casuals? I can see having a ship in the game that can wtfpwn 5 players. Or 10 players. But there's actually a ship that can bbq 300 people in one shot. What's the tech2 version of the Titan? You press F1 and the whole universe dies?
Celestal	Posted - 2007.05.17 03:46:00 - [62] Originally by: Cipher7 QFT
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 04:24:00 - [63] Originally by: fire 59 All the cool kids post mails these days, i'm glad they cheer you up, i like to read yours to remind myself that not everyone can have a reasoned and sensible discussion Um how it went? "If people like the goons and such didnt blob up so much, weapons like this wouldnt be needed, but it does its job beautifully". I shown you that even goons could be beaten in normal fleet combat by inferior numbers. Even you admitted you could do this while being outnumbered. Then tell me again, why you need titan? To use even less people? Or better just to use one person and have all problems gonners? Maybe it was weapon against "goon blobs" but like i said many times - it not only hurt blobs - its perfectly viable weapon for killing everything from 1 ship to infinie amount of them. Plus it makes engagements boring. Most of the time engagements dont happen at all. If they do there is 1-2 blasts of DD and ppl go home.
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.05.17 04:28:00 - [64] boosting the mid rnage is important
Ender Ti'kai	Posted - 2007.05.17 08:15:00 - [65] Edited by: Ender Ti''kai on 17/05/2007 08:18:50 Honestly, I don't have any problem whatsoever with the DDD doing as much damage as it does. Maybe it should have a longer cooldown rate, I dunno. I think it might cause bigger problems down the road but I don't think we're there yet. What I DO have a problem with is titans being unkillable besides through this "metagaming" BS. Theoretically, even with "metagaming" considered a titan can easily be made unkillable without cheating. To me, this is a huge problem. I think that in an engagement a titan should at least have some amount of risk to its use. What could solve this problem completely? Simply don't allow titans to repair themselves passively, actively, or with remote reppers, and give them something like a .1/ .2 % constant rep per level (maybe more, maybe less, just make the god damned things vulnerable SOMEHOW) and stop them from cloaking. That way, with some extremely good manuvering or especially with "metagaming" bringing a titan to an engagement actually carries risk. I think that the DDD is actually a great way to discourage blob warfare (probably overpowered but that's not my real problem) but as it stands if you place a single titan in a system - it's invincible. This just doesn't make sense to me. All things in Eve that are player owned should carry a risk equal to cost. Right now the risk is so far away from the cost that titans are inarguably imbalanced by CCP's own standards.
Dark Vent	Posted - 2007.05.17 09:42:00 - [66] DEV 1: Hey dewd, I was thinking, let's make 1 ship that can destroy 300 and be basically invulnerable. DEV 2: Cool, I'll get right on it. *** Average Gamer 1: Did you hear that in EVE, the pvp is balanced so 1 invulnerable player can kill 300 every 30 minutes? Average Gamer 2: Looks like I won't play EVE then.
Demarcus Gainah	Posted - 2007.05.17 10:54:00 - [67] Edited by: Demarcus Gainah on 17/05/2007 10:53:49 Originally by: Dark Vent DEV 1: Hey dewd, I was thinking, let's make 1 ship that can destroy 300 and be basically invulnerable. DEV 2: Cool, I'll get right on it. *** Average Gamer 1: Did you hear that in EVE, the pvp is balanced so 1 invulnerable player can kill 300 every 30 minutes? Average Gamer 2: Looks like I won't play EVE then. This is actually a misrepresentation- I think that the titan SHOULD be an ubar anti blob type beast that can take out 300 tightly packed ships. It looks lame-ish on paper but the DDD's re-activation delay means that you can bait it into firing with a blob of cheaper ships and then bust out the real guns, it's a problem that actually has a solution that you can think your way around, or work around logistically. The REAL problem is that you just can't kill a piloted titan- it makes no sense to me. Edit: though I do think that the titan's reactivation delay is a bit too fast- it will definitely be a huge problem later when there are multiple titans. You just won't get new subscribers if they can't be used for anything- and lets face it, once you have even three titans in system that's once every twenty minutes, way to fast for anything to beat, ESPECIALLY considering lag.
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2007.05.17 10:59:00 - [68] Actually it seems to have mostly devolved into cowards posting with alts on the forums. ---------------- If you're on IE, pretend this is transparent while you get a browser that supports .png.
Demarcus Gainah	Posted - 2007.05.17 11:28:00 - [69] Originally by: Dahak2150 Actually it seems to have mostly devolved into cowards posting with alts on the forums. If this is your version of 0.0 combat then yes, you are a coward.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.17 11:42:00 - [70] @ Deva - I never meant that titans were perfect in there current incarnation. Removal of the remote dd and maybe inability to cyno out after firing it would be a step in the right direction BoB vs the coalition of family values

Tarron Sarek Gallente Cadien Cybernetics	Posted - 2007.05.17 11:47:00 - [71] Yeah, make it a sitting duck after using the DDD, kinda making the DDD a 'last resort' weapon. _________________________________ - People are people wherever you go -
Thargat Caldari S-44 Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.05.17 12:28:00 - [72] Titans are fine. I don't have one, not even on my side (they'r all against us). I've been doomsdayed once by LV and almost once by -A-. We did the same mistake both times, we all went for it instead of separating into smaller groups. They only problem I have with titans are that they are a bit too cheap. They should cost MORE and be more useful (maybe a siegemode being activated on pilot logoff, the titan stays in-game and can be attacked)and bigger hangar bays and maint-hangars) like movable stations. The DDD will become a problem as the number of titans increase but popping one of those aint free either. I do like the supercaps, I just don't feel that the Titan (as it currently stands) have the "normal" firepower it deserves. It should field GUNS, and lots of them as well as a DDD (wich should use all the CAP) and cost more to build. Avoiding a DDD is just a matter of smart tactics and good logistics (more ships around the corner). If you don't like what I say, just ignore it, or admit I got to you.
Demarcus Gainah	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:06:00 - [73] Originally by: Thargat Titans are fine. I don't have one, not even on my side (they'r all against us). I've been doomsdayed once by LV and almost once by -A-. We did the same mistake both times, we all went for it instead of separating into smaller groups. They only problem I have with titans are that they are a bit too cheap. They should cost MORE and be more useful (maybe a siegemode being activated on pilot logoff, the titan stays in-game and can be attacked)and bigger hangar bays and maint-hangars) like movable stations. The DDD will become a problem as the number of titans increase but popping one of those aint free either. I do like the supercaps, I just don't feel that the Titan (as it currently stands) have the "normal" firepower it deserves. It should field GUNS, and lots of them as well as a DDD (wich should use all the CAP) and cost more to build. Avoiding a DDD is just a matter of smart tactics and good logistics (more ships around the corner). Honestly, at this point I think the DDD is pretty much A-OK, I just ask that the damn things be killable in any form whatsoever. As it stands now only sheer laziness, stupidity or lag can really kill a titan and I really don't think that's the way it was meant to be.
Spix 'UK	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:34:00 - [74] Edited by: Spix ''UK on 17/05/2007 13:32:18 For all you who are quiting eve for whatever reason // you can send ur isk / assets to this Toon in Game cheers. Stop the whine & move on .
Nos Gainah	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:39:00 - [75] Originally by: Spix 'UK Edited by: Spix ''UK on 17/05/2007 13:32:18 For all you who are quiting eve for whatever reason // you can send ur isk / assets to this Toon in Game cheers. Stop the whine & move on . What a useful, intelligent contribution. Unfortunately, I've already read this exact same comment in every ******* topic on this forum, ever.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:50:00 - [76] Originally by: fire 59 @ Deva - I never meant that titans were perfect in there current incarnation. Removal of the remote dd and maybe inability to cyno out after firing it would be a step in the right direction Um thats what i suggested in many places. If you want keep DD, no problem - but make the goddamn thing killable.
Mogrin	Posted - 2007.05.17 19:44:00 - [77] I angered fire 59 and all I got was that lousy 24 hour ban. Nice to see this threads diverged to politics. GJ 59, GJ. _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion
themarket	Posted - 2007.05.17 20:08:00 - [78] 59 is is like that typically pulls the 'im not trolling poo poo head, eve mail me, gawd, im your trolling!' card
Lorn Yeager Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.18 08:10:00 - [79] Originally by: Cipher7 The question CCP must ask itself at the end of the day is : Did we make this game for the %1 elite or the %99 casuals? You can tank a DD. Its not that hard, afterwards you can warp away to safety. On topic: If you only make the game for the 99% casuals you would not hold your players entertained for long. Once you reach a certain level (WoW anyone?) there is nothing more to gain - hence, no point in playing. EVE allows you to get really really far if you understand the purpose of the game: Cooporation. Casuals dont cooporate much (or enough to get the big benefit) - but log on to change skills, shoot at a few targets and log off. This means that you will be overtaken by other who understand how to get the big guns. However there are a still a game in EVE for the casuals, in empire and NPC 0.0 regions. But they must expect to be faced with superior weapons once they venture out in other areas with players that have invested more time and said cooporation to unlock the big features of the game. Just like in Battlefield where you get to unlock weapons the more people you kill. The same goes for EVE, except the "key" is not stats but simple cooporation and yes - dedication. What gaming company wouldnt like thier costumers to become dedicated to thier product?
Badhands Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.18 09:54:00 - [80] Originally by: Cipher7 Myself, I've come to the conclusion that alliance pvp is garbage. I'm not down to grind isk like some hamster in a wheel to keep alliance #8742 in power to have its snot-nosed 19 year old leader talk down to me or tell me what to fly in between mandatory mining op days. HAHA Oh my god, this is the most epic post I've ever read, and describes my experience with two different alliances to a T. QFT and wow. .

Mogrin Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:18:00 - [81] Originally by: Badhands Originally by: Cipher7 Myself, I've come to the conclusion that alliance pvp is garbage. I'm not down to grind isk like some hamster in a wheel to keep alliance #8742 in power to have its snot-nosed 19 year old leader talk down to me or tell me what to fly in between mandatory mining op days. HAHA Oh my god, this is the most epic post I've ever read, and describes my experience with two different alliances to a T. QFT and wow. omfg GS posting in eve-o MITANNI GET HEEM!! lol _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion


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