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ForumPosterAlt
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Posted - 2007.05.15 17:01:00 -
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Those with titans, and those without titans.
Those with titans will wander around with normal ships and zerg their enemies with 6-1 odds at gate camps.
OK so you don't have a titan but you can bust their gatecamp without titans so you go to kill them by conventional means, however you can.
Often, especially if they are higher skillpoint players, this requires bringing at least even numbers and possibly more.
Usually if its lower SP pilots vs higher SP pilots, this demands the lower SP pilots bring a more expensive setup, or simply more pilots, whatever. We are not talking about player skill here, we're talking efficiency and math.
Well what happens when they just quickly warp out and import a titan? Boom, you lose all your ships (the slower ones anyways), they lose none, they go right back to gatecamping. And this can go on forever if they have many titans.
Or how about the demise of a support fleets role in capital siege warfare. You get a bunch of capitals in an area, you start sieging, you park a titan there, hooray, you are sub-capital immune.
You have the anti-everything-smaller-than-a-dread command module installed.
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I don't think anyone thinks a titan should be weak, I just don't think they should nullify every non-capital role in fleet combat.
Devs talk about nerfs to the different properties of a doomsday device. What about the role? Its performing its role fine right now, its insta-popping entire non-capital fleets.
Instead of looking at the properties, perhaps look at the point? What exactly is the problem?
If the role of insta-popping entire non-capital fleets is fair and balanced and should be in the game, then leave DDDs alone and let everyone get bored of eve and leave.
Otherwise reevaluate wtf it is that titans should do. Yeah they should be powerful scary expensive beasts. Do they have to do all of that in one button press every 30 minutes? 
I'm just getting bored is all. I want a fight. I can't get fights anymore.
Basically I don't think titans are a problem. The huge behemoths wandering the cosmos don't scare me. They aren't gonna blow a 30min cooldown on me, I'll go shoot them I dont care. Bring it on.
I just don't think titans should do all of their ownage, by themselves, in one keypress, instantly every 30minutes.
I AM saying that DDDs are the problem.
If its overpowered with a 30 second cooldown, then its overpowered with a 30 minute cooldown, then its overpowered with a 6 hour cooldown, its overpowered with a week cooldown.
DDDs are overpowered.
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Morrigan Starlover
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Posted - 2007.05.16 03:36:00 -
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This is a brilliant post, ForumPosterAlt.
Whoever you main is, he is a brilliant and handsome poster.
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Aries Acheron
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.16 03:44:00 -
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You know what PVP has devolved to?
Those with guns, and people without guns.
My Ibis-flying corporation has no chance against all those veterans flying armed Ospreys. Their three turrets will kill us any time, and I think they even can launch a drone. Even as my most experienced friends fly their heavy covetors into battle, we're no match.
If a gun on a condor can beat any number of my ibis's, it's unfair. Even if the recharge time for those guns is 3 seconds, 30 seconds, or 30 hours, they can still beat me while my mining L-A-S-E-Rs fail to harm them. I have lasers after all! This is so unfair.
I want a fight. I can't get fights anymore. The ability to arm your ships prevents anyone who uses mining lasers from ever posing a threat. Our ships get Eventua-popped mercilessly, and it's not balanced if they only have to hit F1 to kill us in a few minutes.
I'm not saying frigates or even cruisers are the problem.
I'm saying 75mm Railguns are the problem.
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Hexman
Cryo Crypt inc.
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.16 03:46:00 -
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They're not overpowered - They're just in the wrong game. Devs forgot the idea was for a Doom 5 game and it was to be called the RBFG (Really Big [insert you know what here] gun)
And to the above poster - Go troll somewhere else, please.
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Aries Acheron
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.16 03:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Hexman
They're not overpowered - They're just in the wrong game. Devs forgot the idea was for a Doom 5 game and it was to be called the RBFG (Really Big [insert you know what here] gun)
And to the above poster - Go troll somewhere else, please.
Hardly a troll. The matter of the fact is, there is a way to balance something. The OP hates DDD so much, that 'nothing' will make it balanced. That's not a rational angle. If something's unbalanced with an X cost to fire, and a Y recharge, then adjust that until it /is/ balanced. Or some other factor.
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Leonard Darwin
Rosewood Productions
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Posted - 2007.05.16 04:14:00 -
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Edited by: Leonard Darwin on 16/05/2007 04:14:31
I believe he said DDD was balanced in respect to its role. You don't need to change anything if you aren't going to change the role. If its purpose is to neutralize support fleets - it does an awesome job at that. As he said, making the recharge 2 hours, 1 day, or 2 weeks isn't going to change or help anything. And nerfing its damage makes its role useless.
I'd have to agree with the OP. Good point. Change the role to balance it.
Personally, I'd like to see it act more as a mobile station. Perhaps able to erect forcefields on a whim to temporarily protect fleets. Idunno, it needs looked into regardless.
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Father Weebles
North Face Force
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.16 04:18:00 -
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PVP is all about alliance blobbing, or small corp speed roaming.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=465085
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.16 04:53:00 -
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I hate to say it, but I guess I agree. My side has the advantage right now because of them, but Titans have made me useless as a support pilot, and I can't fly a capital ship for another year or so. If there are titans in the area of engagement there is really no reason for me to show up except to add to the already horrible lag.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.05.16 05:29:00 -
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why do they have to deal this indiscriminate damage anyway...
some giant 250km ecm thingy would have been cute enough
minnie: everything in it gets +20% signature/doomsielvl
amarr: everything -10% cap recharge/lvl
caldari: everything -10% all resistances/lvl
gallente: *shrug* everything -15% targeting speed&range/lvl
stupid ideas, i know - but anything is better than that multi-one-shot thingy
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.05.16 06:05:00 -
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it becomes a race to the top titans are getting a nerf and carriers are gettign a boost in next patch
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.05.16 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider
why do they have to deal this indiscriminate damage anyway...
some giant 250km ecm thingy would have been cute enough
minnie: everything in it gets +20% signature/doomsielvl
amarr: everything -10% cap recharge/lvl
caldari: everything -10% all resistances/lvl
gallente: *shrug* everything -15% targeting speed&range/lvl
stupid ideas, i know - but anything is better than that multi-one-shot thingy
250km dictor sphere with a random dampening effect on each ship, 1-3 damps worth ramdomly... whats the effect of this? no more aligning sniper fleets with people warping off as soon as they are targetted... and no more power ball (the new bombs dont seem like a good idea to me... especially the carriers remote ecm burst thing.. if 1 carrier can take out 1 blob... 50 carriers can ???
And the dampening effect would mean the super long range power ball is ****** because all its members now have weird targetting ranges and its not easy to insta pop a primary with peoples targetting speeds getting freaky...
I've fought titans many.. many times and they do make support fleets useless. To those in bob and elsewhere who say "work around them, we do" you dont. You've faced 1 titan, we've faced more... its not good when theres 1 titan cloaked somewhere in the system... and when theres more in jump range people stop trying to fight back.
Titans + the remote ecm bursts will be bad in my opinion because... you cant get away with taking on a sieging force with bs's anymore... look back before titans, if you couldnt match the enemys cap fleet you get sniper bs and you warp in, snipe em, warp out, it was possible to kill dreads this way if their support didnt respond quickly.
Now the titan will simply wait until the fight is fully under way... the enemy fleet hits warp and the titan decloaks and dds... then sits there and tanks the survivors and has a laugh... then jumps to safety. Bubbles wont fix this. At all.
I've said what i think is wrong with them, and i've covered my experiences.
I have also outlined a possible solution/change.
The OP has brought up a valid point about titans and DDs. I think its time for a real change to titans.. not just nerf/boost.
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Aleranie
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Posted - 2007.05.16 08:01:00 -
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Aren't they removing remote Dooms-Day anyways?
So if they want to DD they have to be on-grid.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.16 08:34:00 -
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Support fleets are absolutely essential in even a capital slugfest, should never ever leave home without one. A titan does not nullify a support fleet at all, it does if there too scared to fight under its gaze. If the support fleet was tanked to the dd, thats even more dps and tackles, fighter killing ability or ewar on enemy carriers.
Evolution of tactics, they either keep up or die
P.s Ra are the only guys i have not seen complaing about dd's and have a guess why? They adapted and started to tank and stay alert ( gasp ).
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Okkie2
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Posted - 2007.05.16 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Aleranie
Aren't they removing remote Dooms-Day anyways?
So if they want to DD they have to be on-grid.
Yes they are, it's all in the Dev Blog
They are also planning to make the Titan more vulnerable to warp-scramblers
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Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.05.16 08:45:00 -
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To the OP:
Excellent description of the problem. CCP needs to rethink the titan as a whole. Imo, it should be a huge support craft - mobile station if you will - that lends benefits to your fleet. It should not be a fleet killer.
/Ki
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.05.16 08:48:00 -
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well theres no going back on titans so CCP just have to adapt and tweak so bob and co dont become to powerful
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Hinterwaeldler
Aces and Eights Enterprises
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.16 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59
P.s Ra are the only guys i have not seen complaing about dd's and have a guess why? They adapted and started to tank and stay alert ( gasp ).
Are you sure they don't just log?
You win some, you log some ...
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.16 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Aries Acheron
You know what PVP has devolved to?
Those with guns, and people without guns.
My Ibis-flying corporation has no chance against all those veterans flying armed Ospreys. Their three turrets will kill us any time, and I think they even can launch a drone. Even as my most experienced friends fly their heavy covetors into battle, we're no match.
If a gun on a condor can beat any number of my ibis's, it's unfair. Even if the recharge time for those guns is 3 seconds, 30 seconds, or 30 hours, they can still beat me while my mining L-A-S-E-Rs fail to harm them. I have lasers after all! This is so unfair.
I want a fight. I can't get fights anymore. The ability to arm your ships prevents anyone who uses mining lasers from ever posing a threat. Our ships get Eventua-popped mercilessly, and it's not balanced if they only have to hit F1 to kill us in a few minutes.
I'm not saying frigates or even cruisers are the problem.
I'm saying 75mm Railguns are the problem.
You don't have to kiss BoBs ass every day of your miserable life you know.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.05.16 09:10:00 -
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If you thought Eve was a game about personal skill you are mistaken.
It's about planning and production.
Either accept that or get lost.
You know why caps are so powerful?
Because otherwise the game turns into who can field the biggest blob. If there was no caps we'd be back to 300 man blobs camping each side of a gate and it would be a ******** lagfast.
At least now if you have a 300 man blob you can either be organized or eat doomsday.
Caps force you to either come correct or stay home, so lots of ppl choose to stay home.
Myself, I've come to the conclusion that alliance pvp is garbage.
I'm not down to grind isk like some hamster in a wheel to keep alliance #8742 in power to have its snot-nosed 19 year old leader talk down to me or tell me what to fly in between mandatory mining op days.
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.16 09:29:00 -
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The OP has a very good point imo.
Is the ROLE of a DDD what we want in the game ?
Take a look at an alternative approach (topic hijack :-)):
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Originally by: JP Beauregard
The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls....
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Topaz Skydiver
Minmatar
Narrative Freshfood
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Posted - 2007.05.16 09:41:00 -
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Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 16/05/2007 09:41:41
Originally by: Cipher7
Because otherwise the game turns into who can field the biggest blob. If there was no caps we'd be back to 300 man blobs camping each side of a gate and it would be a ******** lagfast.
Agree, that's like it is.
When it's not about poses and sovereignty, you can sometimes still have good non-blob non-capital fights.
But basically that's consensual pvp. You can't force an alliance to fight, if you don't attack their poses.
So when an alliance get their ass handed too often in small non-blob non-capital fights, they just don't take those fights anymore. They stay docked, until they get their blob or until the enemy leaves.
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Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.05.16 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
Because otherwise the game turns into who can field the biggest blob. If there was no caps we'd be back to 300 man blobs camping each side of a gate and it would be a ******** lagfast.
But, isn't that where we are now? Now, whith capitals and super capitals? Today is the era of nodes, so stressed as to force CCP to put a local cap on systems. I'm not saying titans are responsible for this sort of super-blob warfare, but they sure as hell haven't reduced it.
/Ki
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.16 09:49:00 -
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The OP has a very strong point. His Corporation consists of people who can fly only ibis's, and as such, stands no chance against even a cruiser let alone a Titan. One may even argue that he has never undocked his ibis from the starter n00bcorp station.
I wonder if CCP will boost ibis's so that they can take on Supercapitals.
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.16 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
At least now if you have a 300 man blob you can either be organized or eat doomsday.
Caps force you to either come correct or stay home, so lots of ppl choose to stay home.
Correction:
You can stay home or eat doomsday. No organisation will help you much in this regard. If the other side has a Titan, there's no way to avoid it.
Originally by: JP Beauregard
The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls....
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Weaponmaster
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Posted - 2007.05.16 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
The OP has a very strong point. His Corporation consists of people who can fly only ibis's, and as such, stands no chance against even a cruiser let alone a Titan. One may even argue that he has never undocked his ibis from the starter n00bcorp station.
I wonder if CCP will boost ibis's so that they can take on Supercapitals.
100 ibis can take down a battleship. 100 what can take down a titan?
In other words:
Ibis is to battleship as _____ is to titan. You can do it.
Answer:________________
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galia griffon
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Posted - 2007.05.16 11:07:00 -
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.16 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: Cipher7
At least now if you have a 300 man blob you can either be organized or eat doomsday.
Caps force you to either come correct or stay home, so lots of ppl choose to stay home.
Correction:
You can stay home or eat doomsday. No organisation will help you much in this regard. If the other side has a Titan, there's no way to avoid it.
There are far more options than that, baiting, dodging, tanking, outmanuvering. We dodge and eat dd's a fair bit, you stay on your toes and don't just mindlessly blob up in one point. Why is it that some can fight under the gaze of titans and dd's but others feelthey cannot?
I got nuked myself last night in that epic battle of 9-9 but it didn't bother me in the slightest, me and my ship served a purpose in the greater scheme of things and the battle was won so the sacrafice was worth it
Staying at home and cowering behind the door isn't an option
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.16 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: fire 59 on 16/05/2007 11:59:20
Edit - Lag double post 
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.16 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59
...Why is it that some can fight under the gaze of titans and dd's but others feelthey cannot?
Their metagaming skills aren't up to par with BoBs?
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.16 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: Cipher7
At least now if you have a 300 man blob you can either be organized or eat doomsday.
Caps force you to either come correct or stay home, so lots of ppl choose to stay home.
Correction:
You can stay home or eat doomsday. No organisation will help you much in this regard. If the other side has a Titan, there's no way to avoid it.
There are far more options than that, baiting, dodging, tanking, outmanuvering. We dodge and eat dd's a fair bit, you stay on your toes and don't just mindlessly blob up in one point. Why is it that some can fight under the gaze of titans and dd's but others feelthey cannot?
I got nuked myself last night in that epic battle of 9-9 but it didn't bother me in the slightest, me and my ship served a purpose in the greater scheme of things and the battle was won so the sacrafice was worth it
Staying at home and cowering behind the door isn't an option
Because you want to win at all costs, and since you have more titans, you benefit more than others despite the downsides, so you ignore those? 
Under some circumstances, it will be possible to fight 'under a titan's gaze' as you put it so eloquently. But a weapon that can let a single guy decide a fleetbattle with one push of a button, and has an added bonus when its very laggy, and destroys the fun for a huge number of people (as evidenced by tons of posts on this forum and COAD, even by those who have titans on their side), is simply not good game design. And people eventually stop playing games they don't consider fun.
Titans deserve to be strong, very strong. But they should not be a licence to destroy fun for so many people who used to enjoy PvP in 0.0 warfare.
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Celestal
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Posted - 2007.05.16 13:12:00 -
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Well Titans do their planned function very well .
The story goes that when bob first fought the goonies they slayed them , then someone in bob asked the question " what happens when the zerg swarm is no longer in frigs but in battleships ? "
And so titans entered the game , the rest is history (and history in the making ) .
It is becoming a bit pointless to get involved in 0.0 pvp unless you pilot a cap
cue for someone in the alliance with most titans/caps to post a reply to try convince you to fly non caps against them.
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ForumPosterAlt
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Posted - 2007.05.16 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59
Support fleets are absolutely essential in even a capital slugfest, should never ever leave home without one. A titan does not nullify a support fleet at all, it does if there too scared to fight under its gaze. If the support fleet was tanked to the dd, thats even more dps and tackles, fighter killing ability or ewar on enemy carriers.
Evolution of tactics, they either keep up or die
P.s Ra are the only guys i have not seen complaing about dd's and have a guess why? They adapted and started to tank and stay alert ( gasp ).
Kinda how your support fleet dodged evil thug's ddd yesterday?
Oh thats right, you didn't. Cause theres this thing called horrible lag.
Nice try though.
Capital Ships Online.
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max bygraves
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Posted - 2007.05.16 14:12:00 -
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Strange,
I live in 0.0, have done for ages, and i havnt even seen one, I pvp in a BS regularly and have no problems.
Just try not to get involved in the coalition v BoD fights.
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Caol
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.16 14:38:00 -
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Fret not.
CCP has already reacted to the terrible imbalances they never thought would arise and on such occasions that Titans are used they actually slow the game down. Yes, quite a move of genius from our Icelandic patrons. In doing so, all ships are rendered useless and immobile - some are even rendered invisible; pod pilots term this effect "not loading the grid". Others, inexplicably, blow up!! a know bug of course which many a petition has been written about.
Slowing down the server apparently reduces something called lag. An effect that can also slow the server down but being that this is completely unrelated to CCPs action of slowing the servers down should perhaps be discussed elsewhere.
Originally by: ForumPosterAlt
Those with titans will wander around with normal ships and zerg their enemies with 6-1 odds at gate camps.
Coming soon: Ladbrokes IGB jump gate betting system.
Fly safe.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.16 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: ForumPosterAlt
Originally by: fire 59
Support fleets are absolutely essential in even a capital slugfest, should never ever leave home without one. A titan does not nullify a support fleet at all, it does if there too scared to fight under its gaze. If the support fleet was tanked to the dd, thats even more dps and tackles, fighter killing ability or ewar on enemy carriers.
Evolution of tactics, they either keep up or die
P.s Ra are the only guys i have not seen complaing about dd's and have a guess why? They adapted and started to tank and stay alert ( gasp ).
Kinda how your support fleet dodged evil thug's ddd yesterday?
Oh thats right, you didn't. Cause theres this thing called horrible lag.
Nice try though.
Capital Ships Online.
Nice try mate but the ones who dodged got back in and tackled, killed fighters, helped dmp and jam etc so point proven really. I got blasted fair and square and did not shed even a tiny tear, warped to a pos, grabbed a ship and gt back in there.
what was the excuse again?
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Mogrin
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Posted - 2007.05.16 14:42:00 -
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/brushes off shoulders
Ok enough BoB hijacking. Lets free this thread of politics please. BoB is everything awesome and win. They are super skilled and win EvE. All praise BoB.
Mandatory BoB appeasement completed.
Corporation forum <--- that way
Ok back to topic: DDD's Role
DDDs, by design, are supposed to pop everything that can't tank 50,000 damage of a specific damage type, whatever that may be. More than one DDD, by design is supposed to pop everything except capitals and comedy battleships.
I think we can agree on this.
Then the debate is what the roles of these ships should be.
1) What it was before titans.
2) What it was before titans except now always be aligned, in vent/TS, and not lagged in order to pass a DDD fodder check, warp back, rinse and repeat for however many additional DDDs are on the field.
3) DDD fodder.
4) Don't bother and get a dread, go pirate/pve, or find another game if the previous options bore you.
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icechip
Caldari
INDF Shipyards
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Posted - 2007.05.16 14:52:00 -
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I think the DD should have to charge up first. Maybe have a strange aura around the ship letting ppl know hey look its charging up its DD let get out of here. So if your webbed/scramed, you might be in trouble, I dont think they should nerf it but it shouldnt be instant.
[b]12 Million SP and still cant fly nothing--- [b]
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.16 15:17:00 -
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ahhhhh.....I have lived in 0.0 for two years now....AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN A TITAN!!!
"Oh cry me a river!!" Get off your lazy arse and build one if you think they are the 'superweapon' of the new eve. Stop makeing these stupid arse post with that stupid forum poster alt for christ sakes!
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.16 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Mogrin
/brushes off shoulders
Ok enough BoB hijacking. Lets free this thread of politics please. BoB is everything awesome and win. They are super skilled and win EvE. All praise BoB.
Mandatory BoB appeasement completed.
Corporation forum <--- that way
Ok back to topic: DDD's Role
DDDs, by design, are supposed to pop everything that can't tank 50,000 damage of a specific damage type, whatever that may be. More than one DDD, by design is supposed to pop everything except capitals and comedy battleships.
I think we can agree on this.
Then the debate is what the roles of these ships should be.
1) What it was before titans.
2) What it was before titans except now always be aligned, in vent/TS, and not lagged in order to pass a DDD fodder check, warp back, rinse and repeat for however many additional DDDs are on the field.
3) DDD fodder.
4) Don't bother and get a dread, go pirate/pve, or find another game if the previous options bore you.
dude, get over yourself, i was discussing the options available, as per the discussion by the op. This is general discussion you know, if you don't like to talk, go away
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Mogrin
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Posted - 2007.05.16 15:25:00 -
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Get over myself? Does every discussion have to be about BoB? Lemme do a quick search on you posting and see how "general" your posts are.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.16 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mogrin
Edited by: Mogrin on 16/05/2007 15:47:23
Get over myself? Does every discussion have to be about BoB? Lemme do a quick search on you posting and see how "general" your posts are.
Yup as I thought, not very general when it comes to titans at all. Just political jibba jabba. Awaiting Lord WarATron.
huh, political jibba jabba? I have exp with titans every day so it's not like i don't know what im talking about. Having looked over my last posts myself, i think you need glasses because they were factual and were topic related.
Trolling for the sake of trolling mate, leave it for the caod yeah
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Rosewood Productions
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Posted - 2007.05.16 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Roshan longshot
ahhhhh.....I have lived in 0.0 for two years now....AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN A TITAN!!!
"Oh cry me a river!!" Get off your lazy arse and build one if you think they are the 'superweapon' of the new eve. Stop makeing these stupid arse post with that stupid forum poster alt for christ sakes!
If you've never seen one, then really, you have zero experience to speak about them. You are the type of person that when something is broken or overpowered, instead of fixing the problem, your solution is for everyone to hop on the broke/overpowered train.
How about, and this might be a hard one, we actually take a look at the issue of Titans. Or we could all move to your nice slice of Empire in 0.0 where it's Titan free.
Seriously though, by your own admittance you don't have experience with titans, so stfu or go to a Nuclear Fission/Space Aeronautics/[Insert Other Topics You've No Experience With] and derail their threads and spare us.
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Aries Acheron
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.16 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Aries Acheron
You know what PVP has devolved to?
Those with guns, and people without guns.
My Ibis-flying corporation has no chance against all those veterans flying armed Ospreys. Their three turrets will kill us any time, and I think they even can launch a drone. Even as my most experienced friends fly their heavy covetors into battle, we're no match.
If a gun on a condor can beat any number of my ibis's, it's unfair. Even if the recharge time for those guns is 3 seconds, 30 seconds, or 30 hours, they can still beat me while my mining L-A-S-E-Rs fail to harm them. I have lasers after all! This is so unfair.
I want a fight. I can't get fights anymore. The ability to arm your ships prevents anyone who uses mining lasers from ever posing a threat. Our ships get Eventua-popped mercilessly, and it's not balanced if they only have to hit F1 to kill us in a few minutes.
I'm not saying frigates or even cruisers are the problem.
I'm saying 75mm Railguns are the problem.
You don't have to kiss BoBs ass every day of your miserable life you know.
Last I checked, the Coalition has as many titans as BoB, and I've been hit by D2's Leviathan. I'm invalidating the OP's argument that DD is unbalanced no matter what, by saying there's always a way to balance.
Of course, if you want to turn this into a 'You're not on my side, so you're wrong'... go ahead. See how much that detracts from any valid points you may make. :P
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Posted - 2007.05.16 16:31:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Cipher7
I'm not down to grind isk like some hamster in a wheel to keep alliance #8742 in power to have its snot-nosed 19 year old leader talk down to me or tell me what to fly in between mandatory mining op days.
sounds like an alliance we just left. lol cheers
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.05.16 16:31:00 -
[45]
Originally by: ForumPosterAlt
... whine ...
So... let me get this right, you attempt to blob a gate camp... and they bring in the anti-blob weapon, which does exactly what its suppose to. How exactly is this not how its suppose to be?
Titans aren't invincible, people just can't organize to chase them down. Maybe CCP could hold their hands by letting people hijack the enemies cyno and jump with the titan.
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Jaffa Agonar
Minmatar
Mithril Inc
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Posted - 2007.05.16 16:43:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Jaffa Agonar on 16/05/2007 16:41:52
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Titans aren't invincible
They are by current ingame means. Short of great espionage, metagaming, or a drunk pilot - they are.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.05.16 16:46:00 -
[47]
u cant technically lock em down and destroy em short of lag or other devious means theres no way of blowing em up
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Terradoct
Gallente
shock-WAVE corp.
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2007.05.16 16:47:00 -
[48]
Someone did math in other thread, and by that math Bob need another 26 titans to kill any fleet, even the cap fleet, the only ships that could withstand that numbers of DD are Mothership or Titane
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.05.16 16:51:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Jaffa Agonar
Edited by: Jaffa Agonar on 16/05/2007 16:41:52
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Titans aren't invincible
They are by current ingame means. Short of great espionage, metagaming, or a drunk pilot - they are.
So, they aren't invincible are they. Why don't you go ahead and try espionage, metagaming and liquoring up the pilots? People know the solutions, but refuse to implement them. Once again, I ask, how is this a problem?
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Jaffa Agonar
Minmatar
Mithril Inc
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Posted - 2007.05.16 17:14:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
So, they aren't invincible are they. Why don't you go ahead and try espionage, metagaming and liquoring up the pilots? People know the solutions, but refuse to implement them. Once again, I ask, how is this a problem?
I'm not sure whether I should be  or  atm.
I guess we could steal Fluffy, the titan pilot's pet guinea pig and ransom it for the price of their titan's self destruction.
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Posted - 2007.05.16 17:16:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Jaffa Agonar
Edited by: Jaffa Agonar on 16/05/2007 16:41:52
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Titans aren't invincible
They are by current ingame means. Short of great espionage, metagaming, or a drunk pilot - they are.
So, they aren't invincible are they. Why don't you go ahead and try espionage, metagaming and liquoring up the pilots? People know the solutions, but refuse to implement them. Once again, I ask, how is this a problem?
You sir are a genius. We should play a game together, maybe you are better then me, but i will follow your suggestion and come to your house and beat you up. I mean, thats a solution to my problem right? Dont know why till today i refused to implement such solutions, its so easy.
But maybe thats not "sporting" hm? See the point?
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Posted - 2007.05.16 17:37:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Bratilein
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Jaffa Agonar
Edited by: Jaffa Agonar on 16/05/2007 16:41:52
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Titans aren't invincible
They are by current ingame means. Short of great espionage, metagaming, or a drunk pilot - they are.
So, they aren't invincible are they. Why don't you go ahead and try espionage, metagaming and liquoring up the pilots? People know the solutions, but refuse to implement them. Once again, I ask, how is this a problem?
You sir are a genius. We should play a game together, maybe you are better then me, but i will follow your suggestion and come to your house and beat you up. I mean, thats a solution to my problem right? Dont know why till today i refused to implement such solutions, its so easy.
But maybe thats not "sporting" hm? See the point?
You can ultimately do as you please, though you may find that results may vary when you "attempt" to implement it. 
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Deva Blackfire
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.16 17:54:00 -
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fire 59 - you are really annoying when it comes to titans
do you abuse all other posters here with ingame mails too to shut em?
If i get bored ill copy-paste your mails to me, dont worry, i didnt delete them because they are SO FUNNY (especially when you got angry and you spelt abt 70% of words wrong).
And yes - titans are bad, please continue :)
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Ishtar1
Paradox v2.0
1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.05.16 17:59:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Aries Acheron
Hardly a troll. The matter of the fact is, there is a way to balance something. The OP hates DDD so much, that 'nothing' will make it balanced. That's not a rational angle. If something's unbalanced with an X cost to fire, and a Y recharge, then adjust that until it /is/ balanced. Or some other factor.
It IS rational, he is thinking about whether the DDD as a game mechanic needs to be taken back to the drawing board
yeah sure, people will disagree yada yada but if you cannot see that that is a relative view to the fact that people who are fighting these things daily are becoming disconcerted over how this is ment to be a fun then you need to look at the DDD discusion again
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Niton Stormrider
HCD
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Posted - 2007.05.16 18:06:00 -
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Here's a thought: keep DDDs as the uber fleet smiting horror they are, but on top of requiring that they be on grid to fire, also disable all warp and jump engines on the Titan for the duration of recharge. Once the titan fires the death ray it stays put for a half hour, although all other mods stay active. If the other fleet is on its toes and manages to survive (mostly) the blast, they can return and take a run at the Titan. The Titan support fleet warps in the protect the Titan, and bingo: fun fun fleet warfare for everybody, with a shiny Titan as a backdrop. I'm thinking that scene in Independence Day where all the fighters are duking it out over Cheyenne mountain because they know that they've only got a few minutes to bring the big ****** down before it escapes or shoots again. This way the titan is still a powerful weapon but the DDD is no longer the shiny button of death that only requires one player: now the titan corp has to have the forces on hand to defend their flagship which can no longer blast and run with relative impunity.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.05.16 18:10:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Niton Stormrider
Here's a thought: keep DDDs as the uber fleet smiting horror they are, but on top of requiring that they be on grid to fire, also disable all warp and jump engines on the Titan for the duration of recharge. Once the titan fires the death ray it stays put for a half hour, although all other mods stay active. If the other fleet is on its toes and manages to survive (mostly) the blast, they can return and take a run at the Titan. The Titan support fleet warps in the protect the Titan, and bingo: fun fun fleet warfare for everybody, with a shiny Titan as a backdrop. I'm thinking that scene in Independence Day where all the fighters are duking it out over Cheyenne mountain because they know that they've only got a few minutes to bring the big ****** down before it escapes or shoots again. This way the titan is still a powerful weapon but the DDD is no longer the shiny button of death that only requires one player: now the titan corp has to have the forces on hand to defend their flagship which can no longer blast and run with relative impunity.
\o/, no. On all counts.
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JabJabVVV
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.16 18:21:00 -
[57]
Do Titan's need to be balanced? Probably
Have CCP said that they are going to do this? Yes
Do Titans (even in thier current state) make sub capitals redundant? No (See the battle last night in 9-9 for proof: there were multiple titans in system (but they played a relatively minor role in the battle) and there were large capital fleets in system however it was the sub capital fleets that were ultimately the deciding factor in determining the outcome)
Is the thread redundant and factually inaccurate? Yes
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Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.16 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
fire 59 - you are really annoying when it comes to titans
do you abuse all other posters here with ingame mails too to shut em?
If i get bored ill copy-paste your mails to me, dont worry, i didnt delete them because they are SO FUNNY (especially when you got angry and you spelt abt 70% of words wrong).
And yes - titans are bad, please continue :)
Ah dear sweet deva, the person who admitted he talked crap just to get a rise out of me. Everyone is entitled to there opinion and i tried to have a reasonable discussion about it via mail but you wouldn't have it any other way, you are right, i am wrong etc etc (yawn) . All the cool kids post mails these days, i'm glad they cheer you up, i like to read yours to remind myself that not everyone can have a reasoned and sensible discussion without puffin there chest out and becoming johnny hard bastard.
If you don't like what i say, take a long run of a short cliff because its the discussion forum and guess what, people discuss (gasp)
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.16 19:20:00 -
[59]
Originally by: JabJabVVV
Do Titan's need to be balanced? Probably
Have CCP said that they are going to do this? Yes
Do Titans (even in thier current state) make sub capitals redundant? No (See the battle last night in 9-9 for proof: there were multiple titans in system (but they played a relatively minor role in the battle) and there were large capital fleets in system however it was the sub capital fleets that were ultimately the deciding factor in determining the outcome)
Is the thread redundant and factually inaccurate? Yes
Actually, I think that's not such a good argument - given the choice between 10 pilots in titans, and 10 pilots in carriers (or whatever mix) what would you opt for? Titan every time perhaps? 'lesser' capitals are only not redundant due to slower production rates. Then again, there are also lower loss rates too...
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BluOrange
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.17 02:36:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Topaz Skydiver
Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 16/05/2007 09:41:41
Originally by: Cipher7
Because otherwise the game turns into who can field the biggest blob. If there was no caps we'd be back to 300 man blobs camping each side of a gate and it would be a ******** lagfast.
Agree, that's like it is.
When it's not about poses and sovereignty, you can sometimes still have good non-blob non-capital fights.
But basically that's consensual pvp. You can't force an alliance to fight, if you don't attack their poses.
So when an alliance get their ass handed too often in small non-blob non-capital fights, they just don't take those fights anymore. They stay docked, until they get their blob or until the enemy leaves.
I disagree. It doesn't have to be that way, and sometimes it isn't.
On the weekend, I (an inexperienced gang leader by Agony standards) found myself commanding a gang, largely consisting of inexperienced pilots. My force was decimated by a BoB-alinged force that was roughly ten times our size (as far as I could tell - when my overview was full, I had better things to do than to count ships).
Once the shooting started, the fight was almost over (I got my ship out and unaggressed and was bold/crazy/stupid enough to try and break through their formation to rejoin what was left of my squad, rather than hitting control-Q). But there were a lot of things that happened before the fight, where the conflict actually took place.
Both sides formed up their gangs, and fitted their ships.
They pursued us, and we got clear.
They laid a trap.
I fell for it, my tingling spider sense drowned out by my greed.
The shooting part wasn't the thing that decided the outcome, it was the thing that revealed the outcome.
If you're camping somebody in a station, you've made your terms clear 'bring a large force or stay inside' is what you've told your opponent. If your objective is to make them stay inside, then you've won. If your objective is to blow up their ships, you're going to need to use a different approach.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.05.17 02:59:00 -
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I think there is a giant divide between how the elite %1 plays Eve and how %99 play Eve.
Most Eve players will never SEE a titan much less come anywhere close to killing one.
The %1 who is willing to metagame, set their alarm clocks for 5am for POS takedowns, and generally devote their life to "win" Eve are generally the ones flying the titans, and they are also the ones who are capable of taking one down.
For the other %99 of the Eve population, a titan is the 0.0 version of Concord, you fired a shot at the wrong guy and got instapopped.
Having a Bob player come here and say that Titans can be killed is like having Donald Trump give a seminar on how I too could become a billionare.
The question CCP must ask itself at the end of the day is :
Did we make this game for the %1 elite or the %99 casuals?
I can see having a ship in the game that can wtfpwn 5 players. Or 10 players. But there's actually a ship that can bbq 300 people in one shot.
What's the tech2 version of the Titan? You press F1 and the whole universe dies?
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Celestal
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Posted - 2007.05.17 03:46:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Cipher7
QFT
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Deva Blackfire
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 04:24:00 -
[63]
Originally by: fire 59
All the cool kids post mails these days, i'm glad they cheer you up, i like to read yours to remind myself that not everyone can have a reasoned and sensible discussion
Um how it went? "If people like the goons and such didnt blob up so much, weapons like this wouldnt be needed, but it does its job beautifully".
I shown you that even goons could be beaten in normal fleet combat by inferior numbers. Even you admitted you could do this while being outnumbered. Then tell me again, why you need titan? To use even less people? Or better just to use one person and have all problems gonners?
Maybe it was weapon against "goon blobs" but like i said many times - it not only hurt blobs - its perfectly viable weapon for killing everything from 1 ship to infinie amount of them.
Plus it makes engagements boring. Most of the time engagements dont happen at all. If they do there is 1-2 blasts of DD and ppl go home.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.05.17 04:28:00 -
[64]
boosting the mid rnage is important
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Posted - 2007.05.17 08:15:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Ender Ti''kai on 17/05/2007 08:18:50
Honestly, I don't have any problem whatsoever with the DDD doing as much damage as it does. Maybe it should have a longer cooldown rate, I dunno. I think it might cause bigger problems down the road but I don't think we're there yet.
What I DO have a problem with is titans being unkillable besides through this "metagaming" BS. Theoretically, even with "metagaming" considered a titan can easily be made unkillable without cheating. To me, this is a huge problem. I think that in an engagement a titan should at least have some amount of risk to its use. What could solve this problem completely? Simply don't allow titans to repair themselves passively, actively, or with remote reppers, and give them something like a .1/ .2 % constant rep per level (maybe more, maybe less, just make the god damned things vulnerable SOMEHOW) and stop them from cloaking. That way, with some extremely good manuvering or especially with "metagaming" bringing a titan to an engagement actually carries risk. I think that the DDD is actually a great way to discourage blob warfare (probably overpowered but that's not my real problem) but as it stands if you place a single titan in a system - it's invincible. This just doesn't make sense to me. All things in Eve that are player owned should carry a risk equal to cost. Right now the risk is so far away from the cost that titans are inarguably imbalanced by CCP's own standards.
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Dark Vent
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Posted - 2007.05.17 09:42:00 -
[66]
DEV 1: Hey dewd, I was thinking, let's make 1 ship that can destroy 300 and be basically invulnerable.
DEV 2: Cool, I'll get right on it.
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:54:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Demarcus Gainah on 17/05/2007 10:53:49
Originally by: Dark Vent
DEV 1: Hey dewd, I was thinking, let's make 1 ship that can destroy 300 and be basically invulnerable.
DEV 2: Cool, I'll get right on it.
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Average Gamer 1: Did you hear that in EVE, the pvp is balanced so 1 invulnerable player can kill 300 every 30 minutes?
Average Gamer 2: Looks like I won't play EVE then.
This is actually a misrepresentation- I think that the titan SHOULD be an ubar anti blob type beast that can take out 300 tightly packed ships. It looks lame-ish on paper but the DDD's re-activation delay means that you can bait it into firing with a blob of cheaper ships and then bust out the real guns, it's a problem that actually has a solution that you can think your way around, or work around logistically. The REAL problem is that you just can't kill a piloted titan- it makes no sense to me.
Edit: though I do think that the titan's reactivation delay is a bit too fast- it will definitely be a huge problem later when there are multiple titans. You just won't get new subscribers if they can't be used for anything- and lets face it, once you have even three titans in system that's once every twenty minutes, way to fast for anything to beat, ESPECIALLY considering lag.
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:59:00 -
[68]
Actually it seems to have mostly devolved into cowards posting with alts on the forums.
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Posted - 2007.05.17 11:28:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Dahak2150
Actually it seems to have mostly devolved into cowards posting with alts on the forums.
If this is your version of 0.0 combat then yes, you are a coward.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.17 11:42:00 -
[70]
@ Deva - I never meant that titans were perfect in there current incarnation. Removal of the remote dd and maybe inability to cyno out after firing it would be a step in the right direction
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Cadien Cybernetics
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Posted - 2007.05.17 11:47:00 -
[71]
Yeah, make it a sitting duck after using the DDD, kinda making the DDD a 'last resort' weapon.
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Thargat
Caldari
S-44
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.05.17 12:28:00 -
[72]
Titans are fine. I don't have one, not even on my side (they'r all against us). I've been doomsdayed once by LV and almost once by -A-. We did the same mistake both times, we all went for it instead of separating into smaller groups. They only problem I have with titans are that they are a bit too cheap. They should cost MORE and be more useful (maybe a siegemode being activated on pilot logoff, the titan stays in-game and can be attacked)and bigger hangar bays and maint-hangars) like movable stations. The DDD will become a problem as the number of titans increase but popping one of those aint free either. I do like the supercaps, I just don't feel that the Titan (as it currently stands) have the "normal" firepower it deserves. It should field GUNS, and lots of them as well as a DDD (wich should use all the CAP) and cost more to build.
Avoiding a DDD is just a matter of smart tactics and good logistics (more ships around the corner).
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Posted - 2007.05.17 13:06:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Thargat
Titans are fine. I don't have one, not even on my side (they'r all against us). I've been doomsdayed once by LV and almost once by -A-. We did the same mistake both times, we all went for it instead of separating into smaller groups. They only problem I have with titans are that they are a bit too cheap. They should cost MORE and be more useful (maybe a siegemode being activated on pilot logoff, the titan stays in-game and can be attacked)and bigger hangar bays and maint-hangars) like movable stations. The DDD will become a problem as the number of titans increase but popping one of those aint free either. I do like the supercaps, I just don't feel that the Titan (as it currently stands) have the "normal" firepower it deserves. It should field GUNS, and lots of them as well as a DDD (wich should use all the CAP) and cost more to build.
Avoiding a DDD is just a matter of smart tactics and good logistics (more ships around the corner).
Honestly, at this point I think the DDD is pretty much A-OK, I just ask that the damn things be killable in any form whatsoever. As it stands now only sheer laziness, stupidity or lag can really kill a titan and I really don't think that's the way it was meant to be.
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Posted - 2007.05.17 13:34:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Spix ''UK on 17/05/2007 13:32:18
For all you who are quiting eve for whatever reason // you can send ur isk / assets to this Toon in Game cheers.
Stop the whine & move on .
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Nos Gainah
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Posted - 2007.05.17 13:39:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Spix 'UK
Edited by: Spix ''UK on 17/05/2007 13:32:18
For all you who are quiting eve for whatever reason // you can send ur isk / assets to this Toon in Game cheers.
Stop the whine & move on .
What a useful, intelligent contribution. Unfortunately, I've already read this exact same comment in every ******* topic on this forum, ever.
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Deva Blackfire
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 14:50:00 -
[76]
Originally by: fire 59
@ Deva - I never meant that titans were perfect in there current incarnation. Removal of the remote dd and maybe inability to cyno out after firing it would be a step in the right direction
Um thats what i suggested in many places. If you want keep DD, no problem - but make the goddamn thing killable.
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Mogrin
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Posted - 2007.05.17 19:44:00 -
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I angered fire 59 and all I got was that lousy 24 hour ban.
Nice to see this threads diverged to politics.
GJ 59, GJ.
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Posted - 2007.05.17 20:08:00 -
[78]
59 is is like that
typically pulls the 'im not trolling poo poo head, eve mail me, gawd, im your trolling!' card
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Lorn Yeager
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.18 08:10:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Cipher7
The question CCP must ask itself at the end of the day is :
Did we make this game for the %1 elite or the %99 casuals?
You can tank a DD. Its not that hard, afterwards you can warp away to safety.
On topic: If you only make the game for the 99% casuals you would not hold your players entertained for long. Once you reach a certain level (WoW anyone?) there is nothing more to gain - hence, no point in playing. EVE allows you to get really really far if you understand the purpose of the game: Cooporation. Casuals dont cooporate much (or enough to get the big benefit) - but log on to change skills, shoot at a few targets and log off. This means that you will be overtaken by other who understand how to get the big guns.
However there are a still a game in EVE for the casuals, in empire and NPC 0.0 regions. But they must expect to be faced with superior weapons once they venture out in other areas with players that have invested more time and said cooporation to unlock the big features of the game.
Just like in Battlefield where you get to unlock weapons the more people you kill. The same goes for EVE, except the "key" is not stats but simple cooporation and yes - dedication.
What gaming company wouldnt like thier costumers to become dedicated to thier product?
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Badhands
Gallente
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.18 09:54:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Cipher7
Myself, I've come to the conclusion that alliance pvp is garbage.
I'm not down to grind isk like some hamster in a wheel to keep alliance #8742 in power to have its snot-nosed 19 year old leader talk down to me or tell me what to fly in between mandatory mining op days.
HAHA Oh my god, this is the most epic post I've ever read, and describes my experience with two different alliances to a T. QFT and wow.
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Posted - 2007.05.18 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Badhands
Originally by: Cipher7
Myself, I've come to the conclusion that alliance pvp is garbage.
I'm not down to grind isk like some hamster in a wheel to keep alliance #8742 in power to have its snot-nosed 19 year old leader talk down to me or tell me what to fly in between mandatory mining op days.
HAHA Oh my god, this is the most epic post I've ever read, and describes my experience with two different alliances to a T. QFT and wow.
omfg GS posting in eve-o MITANNI GET HEEM!!
lol
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