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Last Cause
Green Gecko Inc.
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.05.15 20:43:00 -
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I'm just wondering, but I've petitioned several groups of macrominers before and they always seem to be in the same place anyway. I never seem to get any results from petitioning them, and I was just wondering if anyone had similar experiences? Or perhaps your petitons were responded to? I don't really do a lot of work in Empire anymore so I was just rather curious how the whole macro situation was now. Any info would be much appreciated :)
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Green Gecko Inc. A corp, A family.
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2007.05.15 21:41:00 -
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very hard to prove macro's without doubt... I doubt much has happened to any petitions - ccp might nerf them by removing belts though hehe either they stop or make them smarter
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Last Cause
Green Gecko Inc.
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.05.15 22:27:00 -
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Yeah, you make the system harder, they make a new macro. Runescape had an interesting system for it though, as it was a simple matter to macro a mouse that just clicks over and over. You log out if you just stand in one place too long, also several events happen at random that require intelligent choices. I.E you get a little puzzle box that asks a simple question to recieve a small prize. If you dont open the box, it starts to multiply in your inventory until you're out of space. Other things too like the head of your pick will fly off and you have to go grab it and stick it together again. Easy stuff to do, but you can't really macro any of it cause of the randomness. I'm just saying EVE should have a similar system but it'd be much harder to integrate as EVE is MUCH more complex.
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Vrognem
Minmatar
Ardent Adversary
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Posted - 2007.05.15 22:28:00 -
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They are hard to tell, modern macros have many variables to make them more human-like, so ya outta luck in most cases.
The 'macros' you usually see are often low paid workers run in (mainly) eastern countries, people like PICTURKUST and fghghklwa fhggghf etc etc all with .5 - 2 years in newb corp who are online 23/7.... one guy on 5 computers mining away, so technically not a macro.
They could however macro the covetors they use while mining in one place, but they can't macro the haulers otherwise you could can flag them every time.
They sometimes talk back in horrible english. "no more take from my boxes" being one of the better ones I have had... hahaha!
Not much CCP can do about them i'm afraid.
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Syril Sneer
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Posted - 2007.05.15 23:18:00 -
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Just steal their ore, it takes them a while to realise that they're being mugged.
My home system is perma camped with them.... which makes it very profitable.
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Last Cause
Green Gecko Inc.
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.05.15 23:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Syril Sneer
Just steal their ore, it takes them a while to realise that they're being mugged.
My home system is perma camped with them.... which makes it very profitable.
Yeah, it always seems like they never leave. I used to can steal from them pretty much constantly and got no reaction. And what's your homesystem btw? :)
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Benglada
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.05.16 02:20:00 -
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because theyre'd be a big economy crash if they left... who else mines low low end ores in high high amounts?
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Jeronica
Minmatar
Incarnation of Evil
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Posted - 2007.05.16 03:33:00 -
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Lol true about the couple million in tritanium.
You know, they'd do better getting an industrial character build ships, and if they put thought into make even more money with a few POS's with reactors.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2007.05.16 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Benglada
because theyre'd be a big economy crash if they left... who else mines low low end ores in high high amounts?
Crash the economy? Hardly. The decrease in the supply of of such minerals as tritanium would increase their cost (as demand stays the same) and make it more lucrative. The more lucrative it gets, the more people will mine it. Everything is constantly moving towards equilibrium between supply and demand, it's what drives the economy.
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Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Minmatar
Retribution Corp.
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Posted - 2007.05.16 08:13:00 -
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They havent left due to the people who Ebay money, as long as they can sell isk (against EULA) they will stay and try to get as mutch isk as possible in the most easy way.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.05.16 08:44:00 -
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I think the macros are still there because the price of 100 million isk fell from $14 to $8 in 60 days.
I think they are supplmented with account sharing sweatshop techniques that also involve themselves in mission running for implant sets.
A few employ combat units to protect the automated mining units.
Making players out of macro operators should be rejoiced, but in reality, it still sucks.
The cheaper isk gets, the more attractive buying it becomes. Buying it is already at disgraceful proportions, or the sellers would not be here. I predict $2 to be the point at which I start buying it.
Being banned from a game where you can buy so much for so little will be no hardship as it won't be worth playing at that point.
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Rabbitual Ferrier
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Posted - 2007.05.16 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ssoraszh Tzarszh
They havent left due to the people who Ebay money, as long as they can sell isk (against EULA) they will stay and try to get as mutch isk as possible in the most easy way.
QFT
Stop the transfers, stop the macros. Punish players who buy ISK by removing the money, and then issuing an in game fine for improper cash transfers equal to a quarter/half/total isk purchased based on each offence, to be paid within x period of face security penaltys, suspension of account (and training) or even bans.
Easy to track using triggers. Limit isk transers by a skill level per week, or remove isk transfer totally except face to face - an moniter this
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.16 10:53:00 -
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That's probably because everytime someone sees a barge mining in high sec for any length of time they go OMFGMACROSCUM petitionzor away!!!!111
so u can't blame the gm's for not paying full attention to every 1 of the thousands they get.
oh and they pay ccp lots of money in subs
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Darcy Killar
Gallente
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.16 13:42:00 -
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I petitioned one (or several) that involved 40-50 Mackinaws in an Ice belt. That would mine until their hold was full then warp to station drop it and warp backŕCCP removed the belt the next day
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Davey Oaks
Minmatar
Original Pirating Material
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Posted - 2007.05.16 13:48:00 -
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just flying round plaicd low sec or verge vendor like loes would show some courier mission macros :)
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.05.16 15:47:00 -
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Well... I recommend NOT, repeat NOT, petitioning potential macro miners.
I'm still embroiled in some crazy GM stuff at the moment resulting from me, for the very very first time, reporting a potential macro user.
I did it because it was the first time an account I know has a human attached normally was behaving macrotically.
Within 24 hours I had received a warning for harassment. Obviously the whole thing is still ongoing and I can't say anything about it ever thanks to CCPs SmokeScreen Policies, but for the sake of your account, just don't get involved in petitioning people.
It is not worth the risk, just let them cheat, and move on.
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Macon Squaredealer
Squaredeal Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.05.16 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Darcy Killar
I petitioned one (or several) that involved 40-50 Mackinaws in an Ice belt. That would mine until their hold was full then warp to station drop it and warp backŕCCP removed the belt the next day
Why does the removal of the ice belt by CCP make you happy? If these characters you petitioned were indeed "macros" (which I doubt, they were probably farmers) then their accounts should have been banned and the ice belt left alone. If they weren't banned because somebody was actually there then it's not like they can't just find a different belt to mine.
Either way, we were the ones punished. The removal of the ice belt accomplished nothing except the taking away of a potential mining location from us legitimate players. |
SleepingBuddah
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Posted - 2007.05.16 16:06:00 -
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Yesterday I found a group of macrominers and started to haul ore in my Prorator. Well.. Ended up in fight. One of them took Vexor and I decided to engage. My poor Prorator.
But I got my Arbi and killed that nasty macrominer's Vexor who was protecting his ore.
Probably they were not macroers... 
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Thufir Hawats
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.05.16 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Thufir Hawats on 16/05/2007 17:51:43
Originally by: Gaven Blands
I'm still embroiled in some crazy GM stuff at the moment resulting from me, for the very very first time, reporting a potential macro user.
Note: Reporting someone as being a macro because you hate her is NOT a good idea. That's one of the resons GMs have too many petitions.
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Nox Solaris
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Posted - 2007.05.16 18:02:00 -
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To answer the question:
Because CCP won't do, can't be bothered to do, don't even give a damn about them.
WTB:
Macros without keyloggers.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.05.16 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
Well... I recommend NOT, repeat NOT, petitioning potential macro miners.
I'm still embroiled in some crazy GM stuff at the moment resulting from me, for the very very first time, reporting a potential macro user.
I did it because it was the first time an account I know has a human attached normally was behaving macrotically.
Within 24 hours I had received a warning for harassment. Obviously the whole thing is still ongoing and I can't say anything about it ever thanks to CCPs SmokeScreen Policies, but for the sake of your account, just don't get involved in petitioning people.
It is not worth the risk, just let them cheat, and move on.
People need to realize that CCP enforces their rules, not them. I'm sick of being bumped out of belts because some jackass things I'm macroing. Mackinaw + ice != macro.
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.05.16 18:49:00 -
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Do an ebay search for 'EVE isk' and you will come up with isk for sale, that is why there are macros.
I have spent the last hour trying to figure out how to report the listings, however i think it entails me making an ebay account.
Personally i belive that ebay should ban all macro program sales, isk sales, item sales and "game guide" sales, game guide sales are just a way around the no isk rule. I think that all they contain is "thank you for buying my isk, please convo XXX".
CCP, please call up ebay and do something about their listings.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.05.17 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Thufir Hawats
Edited by: Thufir Hawats on 16/05/2007 17:51:43
Originally by: Gaven Blands
I'm still embroiled in some crazy GM stuff at the moment resulting from me, for the very very first time, reporting a potential macro user.
Note: Reporting someone as being a macro because you hate her is NOT a good idea. That's one of the resons GMs have too many petitions.
Kublai's alt service: This poster's main is "JP Ryan".
Reporting macro users for using macros I used to consider was a good idea. Now I know better. Report macros if you see them, but if it's a female, you're doomed.
Best idea is to NOT report macro suspects EVER. It is not worth the risk of them being female. Even though I knew this one was female, I completely failed to take into account exactly how much that is worth in GM eyes.
Others can learn from my mistakes, as long as they have the information, this is why I am giving you all a non-GM based warning.
"Dude, it might be a chick, don't go there. The most famous whistle blower in Eve was banned in very short order, that should tell you everything you need to know about CCP's view on tell tales."
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lithalnas
Do an ebay search for 'EVE isk' and you will come up with isk for sale
Nope, wrong. Lost of guides on how to make ISK for sale. Lots of macro programs for sale. But no ISK for sale.
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.05.17 11:12:00 -
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Macrominers exist because other players buy isk.
Supply and demand.
If people didn't buy isk, there wouldn't be any macrominers.
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Syril Sneer
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Posted - 2007.05.17 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Last Cause
Originally by: Syril Sneer
Just steal their ore, it takes them a while to realise that they're being mugged.
My home system is perma camped with them.... which makes it very profitable.
Yeah, it always seems like they never leave. I used to can steal from them pretty much constantly and got no reaction. And what's your homesystem btw? :)
I couldn't possibly say, bad for business! Fly around Caldari or Gallente high sec and you'll find it very hard not to find them. I don't like what they do and yet I rely on their ore for building my ships and making money - beats mining!
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Azirapheal
Amarr
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.05.17 13:26:00 -
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i saw a call to limit isk trasfers/kill it - think realistically how that would affect players such as myself
i have a VERY successful trading character - who holds most of my isk (so i dont overspend on throwaway attack ships)
now i frequently send isk amounts in excess of 100m isk between my 2 accounts - when azi makes some nice kills and sells a load of faction lewt - anything i dont immediatly need goes to my trader.
and when i need a new set of implants/mods etc - are you trying to say that i shouldnt be allowed to purchase these?
its not an option im afraid - and any skill basis for isk transfer would just be trained up by said macroers.
imho the best way to get rid of isk sellers is to report EVERY evemail you get
or set up a system whereby isk transfers in > 99million must be filtered - or better yet implement a system whereby only genuine characters may transfer isk - with an isk transfer being subject to a check (for suspicious names etc) with approved chars getting free run
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Night Tripper
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Posted - 2007.05.17 15:02:00 -
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some guy i knew was an avid macro/farmer killer until the day they got their revenge, and deposited a couple 100M in his account.
try explaining your way out of that to the GMs!
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Ashrius
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.05.17 15:49:00 -
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eBay? Probably not.
www.ige.com ? Yep.
My friend bought ISK off there. Sad, really. I make fun of him daily for it.
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Thufir Hawats
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.05.18 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
Kublai's alt service: This poster's main is "JP Ryan".
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Reporting macro users for using macros I used to consider was a good idea. Now I know better. Report macros if you see them, but if it's a female, you're doomed.
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My alt Service: One of Gavens many alts is "Mrs Flay" ... does that have anything to do with anything else?
But back to your main gripe: It doesn't matter what gender the person you report has - anyway hard to tell, look at you, you're obviously not the same gender that you prefer to play - but with the correctness of the report. If someone just reports someone else to harass her AS YOU DID he'll hopefully get CCPs loving and caring attention. Trying to put lipstick on the pig won't make it look any better; you tried to petition an absolutely normal player after having failed to asperse her on macrointel and you failed a second time. When will you learn that lies soon catch up with you?
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