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Kern Geist	Posted - 2007.05.16 17:21:00 - [1] Edited by: Kern Geist on 16/05/2007 17:19:14 Found those at EVE Online official site in Germany:
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.05.16 17:24:00 - [2] Cool - thanx for sharing
Balian Bowmaker	Posted - 2007.05.16 17:30:00 - [3] Funny how I've always gone thru even considering myself as the sole pilot and I guess the only "crew member" of my ship. It would be cool if the player somehow was made aware of all the live's he/she takes into pvp.
Sparkius Amarr	Posted - 2007.05.16 17:34:00 - [4] Originally by: Balian Bowmaker Funny how I've always gone thru even considering myself as the sole pilot and I guess the only "crew member" of my ship. It would be cool if the player somehow was made aware of all the live's he/she takes into pvp. You'll sleep better at night assuming that everyone in the crew has a medical clone somewhere...just don't read the backstory on clones. <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence." - Anoymous
Jacob Holland Gallente FIRMA	Posted - 2007.05.16 17:42:00 - [5] Originally by: Balian Bowmaker Funny how I've always gone thru even considering myself as the sole pilot and I guess the only "crew member" of my ship. It would be cool if the player somehow was made aware of all the live's he/she takes into pvp. The number of people queuing up to crew on a capsule pilotted vessel is vast, the numbers are such that they're by nature a disposable commodity. Read the Hands of a Killer in the Chronicles for an example. It's also an interesting argument against allowing crews to be upgraded - a pod-pilot has their pick of the absolute cream of starship crews, everyone wants to work on a capsule fitted ship - there just isn't much room for improvement in these "best of the best" crews. -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Marduk Felzhen	Posted - 2007.05.16 18:39:00 - [6] Haha, wouldnt it be slick if crew became a sort of new module for ships? I.E tech ii exotic dancers increases overall effectivness of ship, or like you could launch tech ii homeless people at other ships and they would cling onto them and bog down their sensors or whatever
Marduk Felzhen	Posted - 2007.05.16 18:40:00 - [7] Haha, wouldnt it be slick if crew became a sort of new module for ships? I.E tech ii exotic dancers increases overall effectivness of ship, or like you could launch tech ii homeless people at other ships and they would cling onto them and bog down their sensors or whatever
Icarus Starkiller Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.16 18:45:00 - [8] It's been said over and over and over again since Eve went mainstream: Crew sizes are approximate only and not fixed. It's the choice of the pilot how many flesh & blood biologics they use to manage ship systems, or how much they devote to robotic management. - Life is pain...anyone who says differently is selling something.
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2007.05.16 19:01:00 - [9] these are very old from the beginning../. ->My Vids<-
Veritas Falx	Posted - 2007.05.16 19:22:00 - [10] If you read the background info most of the ships have been in production for a long time. At the start of the creation of EVE about a year before that(lore wise) ships were converted to pod pilot ships.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2007.05.16 19:55:00 - [11] Originally by: Jacob Holland Originally by: Balian Bowmaker Funny how I've always gone thru even considering myself as the sole pilot and I guess the only "crew member" of my ship. It would be cool if the player somehow was made aware of all the live's he/she takes into pvp. The number of people queuing up to crew on a capsule pilotted vessel is vast, the numbers are such that they're by nature a disposable commodity. Read the Hands of a Killer in the Chronicles for an example. It's also an interesting argument against allowing crews to be upgraded - a pod-pilot has their pick of the absolute cream of starship crews, everyone wants to work on a capsule fitted ship - there just isn't much room for improvement in these "best of the best" crews. Now I can understand if people want to work on my L4 CNR, but, backstory or not, I seriously doubt that there is a long queue of top-notch personnell wanting to work on a disposable 0.0 fleet battleship :P - Thank you SkyFlyer! There is no 'n' in turret
Kern Geist	Posted - 2007.05.16 20:06:00 - [12] Edited by: Kern Geist on 16/05/2007 20:06:11 Edited by: Kern Geist on 16/05/2007 20:04:33 The crew number on those ships arn't big at all. The Cadari cruiser Moa, for example, is larger than today's nuclear powered aircraft carrier, yet its crew size is only a fraction of today's carrier's (USS Nimitz has a crew size of appx. 4000). These ships probably had a much larger crew size before they start using the POD.
JagGator United Freeloaders	Posted - 2007.05.16 20:30:00 - [13] So when my Raven pops, 7000-odd souls are sucked out into the void?!? Oh, the Caldarity!
Suboran Gallente Sphinx Inc Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.16 20:34:00 - [14] Originally by: JagGator So when my Raven pops, 7000-odd souls are sucked out into the void?!? Oh, the Caldarity! and with that death ratio im suprised that anyone still lives out here.
Mielikki Neila	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:30:00 - [15] birth control is not an option, and free spiked quafes for everyone!
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:32:00 - [16] Edited by: 000Hunter000 on 16/05/2007 21:30:20 hm.. does race matter? what i mean is would caldari serve on a caldari ship that is commanded by a Gallente? I'm not a biggot so tbh i don't care what race my crew is as long as they do their jobs it's fine by me, if they have a problem about shooting their countrymen they can always quit. what is the big question is.. do crew have clones? and if not, why would one want to serve on a warship thats prolly gonna get blown up? For the Amarr i can understand, they prolly use lots of slaves addicted to Vitox but the other races? Caldari? perhaps the honor of dying in battle? (sounds a bit too much like klingon to me hehe) Minmatar.. chance to take a potshot at their former amarrian masters? there willing to die for that? but Gallente? were quite the peaceloving race... why would my fellow countrymen risk their precious lives? EDIT: almost forgot hehe, kewl pics OP CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Aterna Talon's Grasp	Posted - 2007.05.16 21:43:00 - [17] If you figure that each world in EVE can support as many as our planet can, and then find out the number of habitable planets in the EVE galaxy...that's easy hundreds of trillions (what's the number above trillion?) of people. If even a fraction of those are willing to serve on a combat ship, that's an amazing number of people available. The real question is, anyone got a good estimate on how many crewmembers die in a given day's combat? It might not be nearly as many as the available pool, but over the course of EVE's history, the loss of life might be enough to depopulate the EVE galaxy. - - - WTB new sig, evemail me please.
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.05.16 22:05:00 - [18] As I understood it from the backround fluff, pod pilots can pilot a ship solo, that being the strength of pod pilots. Those numbers would then be for normal npc ships... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
n0thing Northern Intelligence Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2007.05.16 22:20:00 - [19] Edited by: n0thing on 16/05/2007 22:22:49 Originally by: Balian Bowmaker Funny how I've always gone thru even considering myself as the sole pilot and I guess the only "crew member" of my ship. It would be cool if the player somehow was made aware of all the live's he/she takes into pvp. Nope, imo, you are the sole pilot in a ship. Heres how it works I think, all the regular pilots and ships are used with their standart crew number, but those advanced potential capsuleer pilots have their ships wiped out of all life-supporting mechanisms and the whole interior modified to house the pod system. You can see here how the pod systems look like: Picture of pod system Link to the backstory article So, according to this, your whole ship as a capsuleer pilot rigged down to support your pod and your brain system that is intergated into pod and your ship. In fact, if each ship in EVE universe would have crew and each crew member would have clone, cloning industry would overhelm itself at first early stages of this, imgine yourself amount of crews geeting shot down every day, the universe would be filled with their 'last memory shots' more then it would be filled with ships itself. That would create some sort of difficulties since such vast amount of data(and wer assuming there are tens of billions of human-like organisms in EVE universe) would overload anything that would try to route and calculate it. So Id assume that those who can survive clone procedure are the capsuleer pilots, while regular pilots of factions/navy`s are still risking with their lifes ---
Bellannaer	Posted - 2007.05.16 22:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Laboratus As I understood it from the backround fluff, pod pilots can pilot a ship solo, that being the strength of pod pilots. Those numbers would then be for normal npc ships... It seemed to me like the pod pilots drastically reduced the number of people needed, but did not eliminate the need for crew.
Susan Acid Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.16 23:11:00 - [21] Crew slots which work the same way as rigs would be cool.
AegriSomnia Caldari Aegis Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.16 23:12:00 - [22] Originally by: Aterna If you figure that each world in EVE can support as many as our planet can, and then find out the number of habitable planets in the EVE galaxy...that's easy hundreds of trillions (what's the number above trillion?) of people. If even a fraction of those are willing to serve on a combat ship, that's an amazing number of people available. The real question is, anyone got a good estimate on how many crewmembers die in a given day's combat? It might not be nearly as many as the available pool, but over the course of EVE's history, the loss of life might be enough to depopulate the EVE galaxy. It depends on if you're refering to long scale or short scale logic. Since bi refers to 2 and tri refers to 3, the logic in the names is: short scale: Billion is thousand times thousand 2 = 10^9. Trillion is thousand times thousand 3 = 10^12. To get from one named order of magnitude to the next, multiply by a thousand. long scale: Million is million^1 = 10^6. Billion is million^2 = 10^12. Trillion is million^3 = 10^18. To get from one named order of magnitude to the next, multiply by a million. These are the names of the large numbers, in ascending order (in short scale, most common) million, billion, trillion, quadrillion, quintillion, sextillion, septillion, octillion, nonillion, decillion, undecillion, duodecillion, tredecillion, quattuordecillion, quindecillion (quinquadecillion), sexdecillion (sedecillion), septendecillion, octodecillion, novemdecillion (novendecillion), vigintillion, googol, centillion, googolplex They ascend by 3 zeros (obviously) so one trillion = 1,000,000,000,000 while one quadrillion = 1,000,000,000,000,000 The question is, Is the birth rate high enough to offset the "unnatural" loss of life added to the "natural" death rate? Natural death could be anything from cancer to accidents to "Acts of God". A contributing factor to this loss of life depends heavily on the quality of life, and this will vary from planet to planet, system to system, region to region, and so on and so forth. Since there is no scientific way to quantify that variable in particular, given that planets in this game are totally static, we could never calculate whether or not the loss of life from EVE combat is enough to deplete the galaxies population. Plus, I am sure there are societal differences that affect birth rate. For example, the Gallentians would be much more likely to have a higher birth rate due to their free and open society than, say, the Amarr, who most likely shun sexual encounters. My Theory = Clones. All crewmembers serving on your ship are clones and therefore totally expendable. When you buy a new ship, it comes with a brand new compliment of cloned crewmembers, complete with fully programmed intelligences that have weeded out such annoying human traits as "WANTS" and "DESIRES". Therefore, no mutiny, no insurrection, just complete obedience to the God of the Ship, YOU.
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.16 23:40:00 - [23] Originally by: n0thing Edited by: n0thing on 16/05/2007 22:22:49 Originally by: Balian Bowmaker Funny how I've always gone thru even considering myself as the sole pilot and I guess the only "crew member" of my ship. It would be cool if the player somehow was made aware of all the live's he/she takes into pvp. Nope, imo, you are the sole pilot in a ship. Heres how it works I think, all the regular pilots and ships are used with their standart crew number, but those advanced potential capsuleer pilots have their ships wiped out of all life-supporting mechanisms and the whole interior modified to house the pod system. You can see here how the pod systems look like: Picture of pod system Link to the backstory article So, according to this, your whole ship as a capsuleer pilot rigged down to support your pod and your brain system that is intergated into pod and your ship. In fact, if each ship in EVE universe would have crew and each crew member would have clone, cloning industry would overhelm itself at first early stages of this, imgine yourself amount of crews geeting shot down every day, the universe would be filled with their 'last memory shots' more then it would be filled with ships itself. That would create some sort of difficulties since such vast amount of data(and wer assuming there are tens of billions of human-like organisms in EVE universe) would overload anything that would try to route and calculate it. So Id assume that those who can survive clone procedure are the capsuleer pilots, while regular pilots of factions/navy`s are still risking with their lifes AAargh.. not this gain. It's been in the official chronicles. There's been at least two chronicles in EON that specifically mention crew on a capsuleer ship. There's even been a Dev on these forums saying that capsuleer ships have pilots. Our ships have pilots. And yes, most of these die when our ships go boom. No, they don't have clones. Yes, they have escape pods, but still die most of the time. There's no arguing about it. Capsuleer ships have crew. And lots of it. One EON chronicle mentions the team responsible for targeting in a Scorpion is 20 people. And that's just targeting. Yes, it's evil, yes, it's cold hearted, and yes, I love it. ------------------------- Sigs are for noobs.
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.16 23:43:00 - [24] Originally by: AegriSomnia My Theory = Clones. All crewmembers serving on your ship are clones and therefore totally expendable. When you buy a new ship, it comes with a brand new compliment of cloned crewmembers, complete with fully programmed intelligences that have weeded out such annoying human traits as "WANTS" and "DESIRES". Therefore, no mutiny, no insurrection, just complete obedience to the God of the Ship, YOU. This isn't it either. There's a chronicle in EON (can't remember the exact issue) which mentions a crewmember that's just signed on to a Arbitrator, to get the huge life insurance, to get his terminally ill daughter proper medical treatment. He's very much not a clone, and neither are the Caldari and Minmatar crewmembers he drowns his sorrows in. The thing is, 1 isk might be **** all to us, but to a average person, it might be the RL equivalivent of hundreds of thousands of dollars. ------------------------- Sigs are for noobs.
Kern Geist	Posted - 2007.05.17 01:47:00 - [25] Originally by: n0thing Edited by: n0thing on 16/05/2007 22:22:49 Nope, imo, you are the sole pilot in a ship. The back story provide no evidence that you're the sole soul on the whole ship. The people from CCP have said again and again there are crews on larger-than-frigate ships. Even for the best POD pilot, it is just not possible for him to manage capital ships such as a mothership or even an carrier. A large ship is a complex war machine, merely able to make maneuvers and firing weapons and activate few modules (which are all the POD pilot can do) won't do for a large ship. Theoretically it is possible for nano-robots to handle all the maintainece and other miscellaneous tasks on a ship. However, from all the short stories and article I've read, the races are pretty advanced but not THAT technologically advanced. And to have a crew may be just the most cost-efficient choice.
Arachidamia Matari People's Front	Posted - 2007.05.17 02:20:00 - [26] So I guess the moral of the story is... fly a condor and don't feel at all guilty when your ship goes boom?
JagGator United Freeloaders	Posted - 2007.05.17 05:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Arachidamia So I guess the moral of the story is... fly a condor and don't feel at all guilty when your ship goes boom? I thought the moral was... don't let your ship go boom.
Symb Everway Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.05.17 05:46:00 - [28] Originally by: JagGator Originally by: Arachidamia So I guess the moral of the story is... fly a condor and don't feel at all guilty when your ship goes boom? I thought the moral was... don't let your ship go boom. Or if you do, use a damage control so that all those poor bastards can get out while you burn.
Alexi Borizkova Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.05.17 06:16:00 - [29] Originally by: Kern Geist Theoretically it is possible for nano-robots to handle all the maintainece and other miscellaneous tasks on a ship. However, from all the short stories and article I've read, the races are pretty advanced but not THAT technologically advanced. The last time they automated everything, rogue drones were born. Go team gallente.
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind	Posted - 2007.05.17 09:00:00 - [30] those pictures are indeed from the very beginning of eve. Might be fun tho to have crews as part of the ship basis. like Propulsion (slot) Electronics (slot) Shields (slot) Armor (slot) Guns (slot) And you can put one crew member to each of those. Then there would be various types of crew memebrs youcan put in to those. And some more special and even rare crew units. Say expert electornics crew +10% to signature analysis. etc.etc

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