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Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.17 18:42:00 - [61] Originally by: Tussiex I see you have an excelent efficency in Standing Tall campaigne Sylph Killboard . Good luck Ushra'Khan. Sylph killboard is a joke. I think I personally have like 10 kills that never appeared on their loss section. And having said that, can we please leave all killboard references out of this thread. To my knowledge there isn't a single killboard that is accurate. Thank you.
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.05.17 19:04:00 - [62] There is so much hiding behind labels and words to mask over the reality of action. CVA has come to remove UK from 0.0 altogether. Those who claim 'longstanding friendship', where were you when their hour of need came? For many there was no action, only excuses, and words, and names, and lies. Interesting that often it was not those who laid claim to relationship or alliance or even the status of friend who came to UK's aid. Instead, it was but a simple concept which voiced itself in action: "Your enemy will die by my hand." By the action alone is reality measured. Not by twisted words, pompous claims, tainted money, or false friendship. I do not claim the Ushra'Khan as ally. I do not ask their fleets to do my bidding nor slay my foes. I merely said to them "You are not my enemy", and in that moment it was made so. Now my battleships are bathed in CVA blood and the blood of their supporters. Spout your rhetoric, your lies, your propaganda if you will. I care not for your words. You have already spoken with your actions. I do not think you will enjoy the ones that will follow.
Mortim Minmatar Madison Industrial Co. Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 19:08:00 - [63] To clear up the matters that keep getting brought up time and time again... "Sylph stabbed us in the back" Part of the problem with being a non-particpant, but the largest entity in the middle of a battlefield, is that both sides look at you pondering your every movement... We tried to combat this by being open, but of course that just inspires suspicion. We've made an awful lot of friends, and so we know that at several times in the past year BOTH sides of the RP war have housed plans AGAINST us... We believe actions speak louder than words though and we don't wage war on notions. There's no love lost for what might have been, it's simply the way of EvE, you have to look at all possibilities and choose the right course. We've always remained neutral in the endeavour. I can hand on heart say that we've been strict down to even the use of intel. If any of our guys spotted a CVA/UK gang in our space, we'd remain quiet and withdraw if possible. Rampant mewlings about our actions are not taken lightly. CVA did NOT utilise UK space, I believe at the time of the QR assault there was 1 UK pilot in system for a short period (perhaps logging on to join the fray). CVA specifically did not use our system for a reason (if we were on UK's side they limit intel, and if we were truly neutral it'd not get us involved, and they could push for us to deny the use of the outpost to UK forces on the premise that it would be "fair".) We were in contact with CVA shortly after the assault, where we thanked them for not getting us involved. "Sylph set us red first" We'd been in talks for a number of months, we had a large percentage of our alliance that thought we had every right to in honesty. We're considering the setting to have been mutal however. The UK aim to point the finger at us for calling them to war started early on (anyone would think they didn't like to fight). Quote: [ 2007.05.04 00:24:08 ] Ktor > Thought my statement said it clearly. Slammers is an ally of ours. They get shot by U'K we will set U'K red to help defend them. [ 2007.05.04 00:24:28 ] Sapphrine > is that effective immediately? [ 2007.05.04 00:24:39 ] Ktor > Yes [ 2007.05.04 00:24:45 ] Sapphrine > and does UCE follow suit dogfighter [ 2007.05.04 00:27:41 ] Sapphrine > dogfighter please respond. I won't adjust standings based on assumption [ 2007.05.04 00:27:56 ] Ktor > Is U'K setting Sylph red now? [ 2007.05.04 00:28:24 ] Sapphrine > not sure, i don't actually know if i can do that (or if i actually wish to) [ 2007.05.04 00:28:33 ] Ktor > Understood <Removed section of standings been set by a non-Sylph enity (available upon request and authorisation of said group) [ 2007.05.04 00:35:50 ] Sapphrine > U'k will match standings to avoid our pilots coming in harms way. We are neutral to UCE and red to Sylph as of now (or as soon as i wake an executor up) [ 2007.05.04 00:36:08 ] Ktor > Setting us red already? Ok [ 2007.05.04 00:37:04 ] Sapphrine > well you're going to shoot us so i really need to let my pilots know that when they enter a systme [ 2007.05.04 00:37:18 ] Ktor > We'll only shoot if you choose to fire on our allies. [ 2007.05.04 00:38:10 ] Sapphrine > well slammers are red so... [ 2007.05.04 00:38:19 ] Ktor > Ok [ 2007.05.04 00:38:29 ] Sapphrine > if that changes i'll be sure that we are in contact to see about standings changes [ 2007.05.04 00:38:53 ] Ktor > Confirming: U'K are now red to Sylph to match your settings [ 2007.05.04 00:39:06 ] Sapphrine > (we're matching you) [ 2007.05.04 00:39:27 ] Ktor > Semantics <More>
Mortim Minmatar Madison Industrial Co. Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 19:09:00 - [64] Reserved
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.17 19:15:00 - [65] Mortim, who cares? You set UK red by default. Your choice. Thats fine. Pew pew. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.17 19:22:00 - [66] Just to clarify then mortim. Which bit of that log doesn't show you claiming that if we shoot slammers you'll shoot at us? Sylph stated by policy that you would set us red for shooting slammers. We'd already set Slammers red at that point. Sylph players have repeatedly tried to claim we set you red first. You dictated a policy indicating you'd set U'K red for shooting slammers. We were shooting slammers so we set you red as you'd already stated you'd set us red by policy As for the rest i'll comment on that another time. Glad to see sylph come off the fence though. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Forty Three Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.17 19:24:00 - [67] Edited by: Forty Three on 17/05/2007 19:22:02 nvm, misread ----------------------------------------------- UNITY!!!
Neaghan Grebs Aerial Boundaries Inc. Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 19:27:00 - [68] Peoples peoples calm down for crying out loud, there's no need for these violent actions right now..... i've got my last two weeks of university now and i can't come and play pew pew too! Knowing that you'll all be out in the meantime good fights to all. (Damn thats another few dozen words that should be going in the dissertation )
shanda captison Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 19:38:00 - [69] Originally by: Algey I wondered how long it would be before Sylph fully joined the coalition. You'd think they'd realise that doing so isn't very wise... Good luck, and goodbye Go algey! Go algey! Go go go algey!
Mortim Minmatar Madison Industrial Co. Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 19:44:00 - [70] "Sylph have no honour" On the contrary. We've been offered a number of ways out of this, we could side with those with the power to destroy us, and throw our morales out while we do so. But we'd rather lose our outpost standing high. The pirate (except BUM, despite the ransoming, death-threats and hauler ganking, I've been warned against calling them pirates) alliance that UK houses may have you think that we're about to be pitilessly crushed. Well, when our Outpost and Home came under threat, we didn't snatch the first opportunity out, or the second, or the third. We'll remain by our stance and fight for what is ours. We look to CVA as having shown us compassion that UK passed up a long time ago. Their efforts to remove pirate threats, not comfort them, is something we're prepared to act upon. The decision was Sylphs, from a non-RP background the concept of slavery never entered into the thoughts (although there's been several accounts of how handy they are). CVA actually tried to tempt us out of this, wanting Amarr Loyalist corps only to participate where possible. We've given our assurances we're no major threat to keep an eye on :) "UK are wrong for doing this" Depends what you mean... Here I throw UK forces the respect they deserve. Your war, was not our war until recently. We prefered it like that in honesty. You had a choice to make, one that arguably saved UNITY from falling into the hands of your enemy. I commend the lengths that you and your allies have gone to fight for your goals. Desperate measures though often come with consequence, instead of facing up to those and declaring, sure, what we did can be seen as wrong by some. But we aim for a different cause. Or, we aim to make good on it. You lie and dishonour yourselves by pointing fingers at the neutral industrialists nextdoor and crying "Where were you!? This is all your fault!". No, this all stems from your actions, try to be a little sure of yourself and bear your responsibilities if you dare/ Mort, you're the most hated guy in EvE Untrue, BD has few assets to decorate his office in UNITY, but Im not going to start stealing his trophies. There is Beauty in Truth, and sometimes it stings... Mort
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.17 19:49:00 - [71] By the way Sylph, thanks for shooting us today, I look forward to now repaying the favor .
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.17 20:01:00 - [72] Mortim, my dear chap. Why would a so-called 'pirate alliance' want your outpost? Do you think they are all going to suddenly change their ways and develop a love of POS fuelling, in the name of the second-worst outpost in EVE? It is very unlikely that your outpost in under any threat. However, your lifestyle is. You are carebears. Say goodbye to NPCing/Mining in peace - and you are mistaken if you think that outpost ownership will have any bearing on this. Your new stance will only have a negative impact on the life your alliance wishes to live (npcing/mining). We have been a part of Providence for a long time. We were there when U'K built Unity. We constructed that station you call home. We're not going anywhere. Now, instead of just having us to contend with, half of Providence is going to see you as a ripe target. I just hope your carebears are prepared to accept the consequences of your actions, because its going to be a long and painful journey for them. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
steamy The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.17 20:05:00 - [73] Originally by: Mortim "Sylph have no honour" The pirate (except BUM, despite the ransoming, death-threats and hauler ganking, I've been warned against calling them pirates) .. stuff .. There is Beauty in Truth, and sometimes it stings... Mort Death threats? Ransoming? Hauler ganking? we call it Policing, Business proposals and Protection. There is beauty in truth, then again, facing the truth takes courage. Steamy If you only look at the road ahead, Life isn't worth the trip -- Dante
Gene Wolfe	Posted - 2007.05.17 20:38:00 - [74] Who actual set who to red first? Who made threats to set someone red? Who defended their allies? Who joined up with their once enemies and current allies enemies? Who harbored pirates who repeadily claimed to be targeting the Outpost owners allies. Who got upset because they claimed an alliance did nothing, and now is suffering for it.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.17 20:46:00 - [75] Originally by: Gene Wolfe Who actual set who to red first? Who made threats to set someone red? Who defended their allies? Who joined up with their once enemies and current allies enemies? Who harbored pirates who repeadily claimed to be targeting the Outpost owners allies. Who got upset because they claimed an alliance did nothing, and now is suffering for it. hi alt mind makeing sens and showing corp info. Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 21:15:00 - [76] Originally by: Hustle Fighter Remember what happened to Imperial Order? When the war got tough against CVA they withdrew their support from U'K - and CVA rewarded them with a war dec. IO are no longer in Providence. How will CVA reward Sylph? This is an error. CVA engaged IO while they were assiting UK. Indeed We had sought peace many times before we decided to engage them. After Joint operations with UK against CVA, CVA decided to declare war against IO. After we came to peaceable terms We ceased hostitlies, and as of current IO are neutral to CVA. The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close to the sun
Varheg Xan Athanasius Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.17 21:32:00 - [77] I'm thinking it's time to move back to Providence...
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.17 21:39:00 - [78] Originally by: Gene Wolfe Who actual set who to red first? Who made threats to set someone red? Sylph set U'K to red first. Sylph threatened it first Originally by: Gene Wolfe Who defended their allies? U'K. Depending on your definition of fight sylph dying with slammers till they withdrew could be counted as fighting also. They certainly were willing to stand by their decision to set us red. Originally by: Gene Wolfe Who joined up with their once enemies and current allies enemies? U'K's enemy has always been the Slavers, killing incidentals operating NBSI in our space is why we have our red list. BUM operated NRDS in our space from day one and the others came on board as they did one by one. Evoke and Outbreak came for a bit of pew pew fun and because they respected us for fighting as we do. Originally by: Gene Wolfe Who harbored pirates who repeadily claimed to be targeting the Outpost owners allies. Who repeatedly actually thought that they were being serious? honestly, BUM have repeatedly stated to anyone that will listen that they hate pos warfare. The fact some Sylph members are more easily ridden than Promethian ***s simply is a failing on your part. Originally by:** Gene Wolfe Who got upset because they claimed an alliance did nothing, and now is suffering for it. Actually I believe the majority are saying its good that you finally came off the fence. They may also be saying they'll kill you for choosing the wrong side but thats by the by. If you're going to troll a thread at least have the decency to be completely unintelligble. If you're intending to post serious comment, please activate your corp / alliance tags and make a little bit of effort to think before you start to type. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.17 21:42:00 - [79] Originally by: Varheg Xan I'm thinking it's time to move back to Providence... all the cool people are doing it :P Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.17 22:02:00 - [80] It is semantically about who actually set red first in this case. U'K attacked Slammers, who are Sylph Allies. Sylph stated they were their allies and would defend them. Are Slammers slavers? I really don't know. If U'K really respected their relationship with Sylph they would have backed off the Slammers. To Sylph, attacking Slammers was setting them at red and negating whatever relationship they had. It's a valid point. See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Vampire Lord World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.05.17 22:04:00 - [81] It seems we no longer have access to sylphÆs outpost. An they have most likely set us red as one of my soldiers were told to go to a moon for safety only to be destroyed by the POS. This is amusing. It also looks like we've been sold out also. This is about to get interesting. You are now Red and will be shot. The thought crossed my mind to just come in your space and shoot your men like what happened to mine. But I figured I'd at least give you the respect of knowing. I don't think if you lose your outpost empire will be safe. You won't be able to mine veldspar once this is over to rebuild for backstabbing us. If you'd like to know why then convo me. If you don't care.... then its simple turn on your guns until you wake up in a station. IO Forever! The General Vampire Lord
Deren Thaldrel Minmatar Black Watch Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.05.17 22:12:00 - [82] Sylphilis is known to have significant neurological impacts Vampire Lord. Their actions should come as no surprise. If you need to procure some prophylactics and anti-biotics for your campaign against them please let me know and we will attempt to be of assistance. Sincerely, Deren Thaldrel
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:44:00 - [83] For the record U'K never once hatched plans regarding Sylph before this aggression. Whomever your source is has fed you lies and should not be trusted.
Ktor Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.17 23:47:00 - [84] Up until this post no one who didn't have standings with our outpost corp could dock. This was set up a few days ago because of all the new corporations in the area. IO is not currently red to Sylph but is now until you would like to discuss. Sylph Alliance
Tar Kovsky Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.18 00:27:00 - [85] Originally by: Aindrias U'K attacked Slammers, who are Sylph Allies. Sylph stated they were their allies and would defend them. Are Slammers slavers? I really don't know. If U'K really respected their relationship with Sylph they would have backed off the Slammers. It's unfortunate that this thread has to rehash the same old ground that's been previously covered in detail both here and in other places. Once more, for the record, we set Slammers red because they stole sovereignty of a system from us and refused to return it. I think most people would agree that this is reasonable provocation. Even so, we stated explicitly at the time that we would set them back to neutral once they returned sovereignty. The situation has deteriorated quite a bit since then.
Mortim Minmatar Madison Industrial Co. Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.18 00:28:00 - [86] Sorry to step on Ktor's toes here... The standings between Sylph and IO are now at a mutual neutral (sounds funky). There was mass confusion it appears. Mort
Mae West Odessa Operations Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.18 12:28:00 - [87] Edited by: Mae West on 18/05/2007 12:26:31 Originally by: Tar Kovsky Originally by: Aindrias U'K attacked Slammers, who are Sylph Allies. Sylph stated they were their allies and would defend them. Are Slammers slavers? I really don't know. If U'K really respected their relationship with Sylph they would have backed off the Slammers. It's unfortunate that this thread has to rehash the same old ground that's been previously covered in detail both here and in other places. Once more, for the record, we set Slammers red because they stole sovereignty of a system from us and refused to return it. I think most people would agree that this is reasonable provocation. Even so, we stated explicitly at the time that we would set them back to neutral once they returned sovereignty. The situation has deteriorated quite a bit since then. Good Pew Pew last night... Hang Over today not so good. ========================== I need a sig yo
Maxine Magnus Minmatar Trader Max	Posted - 2007.05.18 13:00:00 - [88] So you Sylph finally got into bed with the devil. Hope yer brought lots of K-Y Jelly. Fatal error. At least if you had sided with U'K would might have died with dignity. Your reward for betrayal shall be eternal shame.
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.18 18:12:00 - [89] Edited by: zoolkhan on 18/05/2007 18:12:13 Edited by: zoolkhan on 18/05/2007 18:11:12 Originally by: Alois Hammer im guessing that i have to move in again , and start showing a presence why did you move out in the first place? Which system you plan to steal next? However, missed you. Welcome back. U'K recruit! ..we come for our people..
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.05.19 03:52:00 - [90] So Sylph admitted they are going to stand up for themselves in the forums. I'm still waiting to see them do it in the game.

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