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CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 14938	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:22:37 - [1] - Quote Hello again folks. I'm here today to talk a bit about pirate battleships, the costs of obtaining them and what were here at CCP are planning to do about it. One of the major EVE balance concerns raised by the community over the past several months has been the low price of pirate battleships and their impact on the rest of EVE. Prices for pirate battleships have been dropping over the past three years, with the changes caused largely by buffs to BPC drop rates and to anomaly escalations in late 2014. These price decreases have negatively impacted ship balance as pirate battleships become more competitive for their cost compared to many other ship classes. Obviously the price isn't the only balance concern about a ship group as prominent and diverse as pirate battleships, and other factors such as the strength of Upwell structure energy neutralization weapons contribute to the dominance of the Machariel in particular. However after giving this situation some thought internally and engaging in plenty of community discussion through venues such as Fanfest and the CSM, we agree that price should be the target of the first set of changes. Our changes relating to pirate battleship prices will come in a few stages, with the first arriving next week in our June release and another set of changes coming in July. In June we are starting to address the supply of pirate battleship BPCs, with moderate changes to the chance of escalations spawning from the most popular high-end anomalies and larger changes to the drop rates of the BPCs themselves from quite a few NPCs. In July we plan to begin making changes to the material composition of the pirate battleships to increase their build costs somewhat. More details of these changes will come later. We don't expect any of these changes to be silver bullets, especially since there will be stockpiles of BPCs and ships to work through. However we do believe that these changes will be a solid set of next steps in helping to address this situation. Thanks. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie


CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 14938	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:22:50 - [2] - Quote Reserved Game Designer \| Team Five-0 Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie

Jin'taan Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 273	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:38:17 - [3] - Quote Really glad to see this discussion make it to the public, especially given the impacts it might have on other areas of balance, such as the Strategic Cruiser rebalance.
Sentient Blade Crisis Atmosphere Coalition of the Unfortunate 1857	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:40:38 - [4] - Quote Taking bets on the effective price being doubled.
JC Mieyli Ministry of War Amarr Empire 70	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:45:07 - [5] - Quote increase material cost and lower bpc means less availability for pirate bs this means all the industrialists get to build pirate bs early and stockpile screws over the young industiralist again how about for once instead of increasing cost to benefit veteran industrialist try lowering the cost of everything else to help the young industrialist and screw the rich fatcat players would be niceto see this happen for a change
ROFL-HARRIS spicy memes and dank upvotes inc I too am gay 3	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:46:58 - [6] - Quote that's a spicy memeball
Fifth Blade Jump Drive Appreciation Society Goonswarm Federation 102	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:48:02 - [7] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: In June we are starting to address the supply of pirate battleship BPCs, with moderate changes to the chance of escalations spawning from the most popular high-end anomalies and larger changes to the drop rates of the BPCs themselves from quite a few NPCs. In July we plan to begin making changes to the material composition of the pirate battleships to increase their build costs somewhat. More details of these changes will come later. Finally. Good change.
Mikokoel Know your Role League of Unaligned Master Pilots 28	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:48:08 - [8] - Quote JC Mieyli wrote: increase material cost and lower bpc means less availability for pirate bs this means all the industrialists get to build pirate bs early and stockpile screws over the young industiralist again how about for once instead of increasing cost to benefit veteran industrialist try lowering the cost of everything else to help the young industrialist and screw the rich fatcat players would be niceto see this happen for a change Try googling "Malcanis' Law" please Mikokoel \| Head FC League of Unaligned Master Pilots
Justin Andrard Ascendance Goonswarm Federation 5	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:48:30 - [9] - Quote I am seriously hoping that this is going to affect more than just machs
Grenouile Liga Freier Terraner Northern Coalition. 11	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:49:50 - [10] - Quote How about you nerf Citadels first?

Prometheus Hinken Star Frontiers Brotherhood of Spacers 27	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:50:01 - [11] - Quote Pirate battleship proliferation has been a hotbed issue; most folks agree that the escalation rate and drop rate are too dang high. With these really good proposed changes, I can't wait to see the same folks start griping and complaining and getting out the pitchforks.
Romvex Furnace Thermodynamics 588	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:50:51 - [12] - Quote About time
JC Mieyli Ministry of War Amarr Empire 70	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:51:38 - [13] - Quote Mikokoel wrote: JC Mieyli wrote: increase material cost and lower bpc means less availability for pirate bs this means all the industrialists get to build pirate bs early and stockpile screws over the young industiralist again how about for once instead of increasing cost to benefit veteran industrialist try lowering the cost of everything else to help the young industrialist and screw the rich fatcat players would be niceto see this happen for a change Try googling "Malcanis' Law" please except what i said is the opposite of that how does devaluing vet player stockpile help the vet player it means they make a loss on their products
Lquid Drisseg KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 13	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:52:49 - [14] - Quote I like how this is a dual nerf to Pirate battleship proliferation and potential ratting income streams.
Asher Elias GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 31	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:55:25 - [15] - Quote Will the barghest be affected by the production material increase?
Huydo Liga Freier Terraner Northern Coalition. 74	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:56:13 - [16] - Quote What do you think about make other Ships more viable for fleets than nerf it?
Hendrink Collie Contra Ratio DARKNESS. 110	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:57:04 - [17] - Quote Asher Elias wrote: Will the barghest be affected by the production material increase? Let go of the dream Asher. Barghest fleet ain't happening.
Alekseyev Karrde Capitalist Army New Eden Trading Company. 1778	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:58:07 - [18] - Quote JC Mieyli wrote: increase material cost and lower bpc means less availability for pirate bs this means all the industrialists get to build pirate bs early and stockpile screws over the young industiralist again how about for once instead of increasing cost to benefit veteran industrialist try lowering the cost of everything else to help the young industrialist and screw the rich fatcat players would be niceto see this happen for a change "Instead of rebalancing one part of the game that's out of alignment, please change literally everything else about the EVE economy." Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Hendrink Collie Contra Ratio DARKNESS. 110	Posted - 2017.06.08 17:58:40 - [19] - Quote Huydo wrote: What do you think about make other Ships more viable for fleets than nerf it? Power creep is bad.
JC Mieyli Ministry of War Amarr Empire 70	Posted - 2017.06.08 18:02:27 - [20] - Quote Alekseyev Karrde wrote: JC Mieyli wrote: increase material cost and lower bpc means less availability for pirate bs this means all the industrialists get to build pirate bs early and stockpile screws over the young industiralist again how about for once instead of increasing cost to benefit veteran industrialist try lowering the cost of everything else to help the young industrialist and screw the rich fatcat players would be niceto see this happen for a change "Instead of rebalancing one part of the game that's out of alignment, please change literally everything else about the EVE economy." yup is that a problem and tbh its not the one part of the game thats out of alignment the whole economy is out of alignment because of players taking advantage of mineral cost increases and thats what is going to happen here too

Romvex Furnace Thermodynamics 589	Posted - 2017.06.08 18:02:34 - [21] - Quote Huydo wrote: What do you think about make other Ships more viable for fleets than nerf it? honestly can't tell if satire or not
Querns GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2876	Posted - 2017.06.08 18:07:21 - [22] - Quote A simple increase in materials will do quite a bit to solve The Machariel problem, assuming balance changes are off the table. I'm not so sure BPC drop rates are going to do much, but there's no reason not to make them more rare. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Trespasser S0utherN Comfort Test Alliance Please Ignore 77	Posted - 2017.06.08 18:08:14 - [23] - Quote honestly i disagree with this approach. I think a much better way would be to make pirate battleships use their faction components found in 0.0 data sites to build. CCP can then control the drop rate of these components to increase or decrease the price as needed. This also removes the need to screw with any escalation or drop rate as the bottleneck to production will no longer be the amount of blueprints on the market, the bottleneck will be these components. This would also finally make data sites worth doing as 99.9% of them are trash.
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 3177	Posted - 2017.06.08 18:08:15 - [24] - Quote and the whole pirate bs market just flipped @ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Coelus Kugisa KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 8	Posted - 2017.06.08 18:09:34 - [25] - Quote Hisec incursion tears will be extra salty.
Mostlyharmlesss GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 304	Posted - 2017.06.08 18:14:44 - [26] - Quote The current stockpiles of Pirate Battleship BPC will take YEARS to exhaust, this will not have the intended effect any time soon! You NEED to overhaul battleships yesterday to make them more viable otherwise there will be literally NO shift in battleship usage. Follow me on Twitter for the latest regarding GoonSwarm Federation and our recruitment drives!
Dirk MacGirk Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 190	Posted - 2017.06.08 18:16:40 - [27] - Quote The intersection of mineral oversupply and Pirate Faction battleships provides an excellent opportunity to go directly at bumping the cost based on build. Don't even bother screwing with the drop rates or spawns. All in on mins. Massive quantities of whatever mineral(s) are out of balance in the economy.
Logan Jakal Blue Sun. DARKNESS. 22	Posted - 2017.06.08 18:18:17 - [28] - Quote Smart, how to stealthy nerf ratting income.
Joshua Foiritain Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 1785	Posted - 2017.06.08 18:18:42 - [29] - Quote Dayum the markets cleared out fast The Coreli Corporation is recruiting.
Coelus Kugisa KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 8	Posted - 2017.06.08 18:18:42 - [30] - Quote Querns wrote: A simple increase in materials will do quite a bit to solve The Machariel problem, assuming balance changes are off the table. I'm not so sure BPC drop rates are going to do much, but there's no reason not to make them more rare. Will the extra rarity increase cost enough to keep ratting income about even while raising consumer cost enough to keep them nonviable for fleet comps long term, while material increase make the current BPC hoards more expensive short term? Will CCP oops the numbers so bad that pre-nerf ships are worth insurance fraud? Will lowsec howl?



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