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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.05.17 15:12:00 -
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Do you shoot, scoot and repeat, or do you take the time to loot and salvage?
I find looting and salvaging is often good for ISK, but sooo dull and also so dependant on what faction you are fighting, that I'm thinking of changing into a shooter and scooter.
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.05.17 15:15:00 -
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I loot and salvage. You can easily make as much again on the salvage as you do in bounties.
Plus you can stock an entire corporation on t1 and medium t1 named loot for PvP for it...or reprocess. I reprocess and keep the mins, then I'll build another raven.
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Kery Nysell
Caldari
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.05.17 15:16:00 -
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I loot and salvage, and take that into account when I'm planning my "eVe sessions" ... since I've only got a couple of hours of game time every other day, every bit of ISK is useful for me ...
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Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2007.05.17 15:30:00 -
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I shoot, loot, salvage and then hunt around for anything anyone may have dropped.
Most loot is refined and is very helpful offsetting the high prices of basic minerals for my manufacturing, it also means I very rarly have to buy high ends either.
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sp4rk1e
Exploring Blind
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Posted - 2007.05.17 15:40:00 -
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I do a mix, and it depends on my mood. I've found that either way you make the same amount of ISK... if your not looting and salvaging your gaining ISK on the bounties in the next mission plus the addition of LP's.
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Egil Kolsto
Caldari
Collwood Collective
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Posted - 2007.05.17 15:54:00 -
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If I had the time to train the skill..I'd probably slap a salvager onto my Raven. Since I am using a CNR, I can EITHER fit a tractor OR a salvager, which kind of answers that equation.
No, I don't come back in a salvager/looter ship. Not enough playtime atm. I do however always ask in local in case anyone feel like looting/salvaging:)
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Obviousman
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Posted - 2007.05.17 16:18:00 -
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I've found salvaging to be absolutely worth it, under a few conditions:
1. The mission is no more than 1 jump out. If you use a dedicated salvager (which you should) then making two roundtrips needs to take as little time as possible.
2. There are more than 5-10 spawns to loot. Anything less than ten, really, isn't worth the time.
3. Having a buddy come along in a salvager. Generally it's polite to then split the profits, but if they salvage while you are blowing things up, it adds almost no time to how long you're out there and adds a few million isk to each mission you do.
Otherwise, shoot n' scoot. For instance, there's a lvl 3 called "Break Their Will" where you have to blow up a repair station. It spawns a bunch of frigates and a few cruisers when you do, but it takes too long to sit there and kill everything. Blow the mission objective, return to base, get new mission. However, if you pull "The Blockade" or one of the extravaganzas, salvage the cr4p out of those and you won't be sorry.
Alloyed Tritanium Bars for the win!
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.05.17 16:43:00 -
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I shoot, loot, salvage - and depending on my mood and Ore in the area - I mine.
Ran a lvl 4 mission the other day - and was suppose to complete it in less than 6 hours to 1.5M bonus. Thanks to have a friend along I did it in less than hour, salvaged the whole mission went back and mined it up to 5 hours and 55 mins. Got 1.5M for Bonus, over 2 mil for mining, and over a mil for the stuff I did put on market or reprocessed and put on market as minerals.
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Magius Paulus
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Posted - 2007.05.17 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Magius Paulus on 17/05/2007 17:10:31
I only loot and salvage the following missions (ONLY BS though):
Any drone mission: Loot & Salvage (why else bother?)
Going Beserk: Loot, DON'T Salvage!!!
Any faction opponent: Loot the tags
Pirate Invasion: Loot (but a lot of empty wrecks) and definitely salvage; have an average of 12 mln here.
The Blockade: Loot and salvage.
EDIT: Since i use a dedicated salvager, i tend to be very selective on my loot. It has little use to loot all those Cap 800 charges...
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Ruddger
Minmatar
Acheron Vanguard Armada
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Posted - 2007.05.17 17:37:00 -
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I loot and salvage. I have actually been keeping track by spreadsheet the breakdown of values and this is what I have so far:
15 LVL 4 missions (Varying quality) Republic Fleet Security Division
Averages:
100 mil bounties + rewards
100 mil salvage components
55 mil named components for sale
140 mil reprocessed loot minerals
90k LP
Now while it may appear that loot and salvage is worth about double the missions them selves you have to remember a fair quantity of the minerals come from drone missions with no bounties. Even still the numbers are impressive enough that I will always salvage and loot, which takes a maximum of 30 minutes if you are in a salvage destroyer.
Draw your own conclusions from this.
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Divideby0
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.05.17 17:47:00 -
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I do most of my missions solo. Only up to level 3's
I usually run the mission, bookmark a wreck, turn in the mission, then come back with a salvager.
I have so much serpentis salvage I'm not so diligent about salvaging them anymore. I tend to salvage if they are another faction or if there were high-level frigates and cruisers.
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pass lake
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Posted - 2007.05.17 18:49:00 -
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I shoot, then return in a destroyer to salvage,
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.05.17 18:51:00 -
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My agent mostly hands out Sansha/Blood Raider missions, so you bet I salvage. Not going to pass up on all those cap consoles.
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Gary Hagon
Gallente
Solitude Empires
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Posted - 2007.05.17 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Gary Hagon on 17/05/2007 19:12:13
Yep loot and salvage,,,just book mark a cargo can in each stage of the mission. When finished go back to agent and complete mission,,that way you can warp straight to your bookmarks(all dead space is removed) save you flying through all the stages again. I use a thorax for salavging, 5 expanders,M/Warp drive, cap rechargers, 2 salavgers and 3 tractor beams. I clear about 50 cans in under 10 minutes on average.
Hope this info helps someone
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Terreen Rha
Amarr
Sanctuary
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Posted - 2007.05.17 19:21:00 -
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I loot and salvage. I use a Gallente destroyer loaded with 4xtractors and 4x salvegers. It's fast, so even if the mission is a couple of hops away I don't mind. Any crap loot I cannot sell I give to my manufacturer to help in the production of ships and modules.
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Kalmiston Julmio
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Posted - 2007.05.17 19:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Xequecal
My agent mostly hands out Sansha/Blood Raider missions, so you bet I salvage. Not going to pass up on all those cap consoles.
QFT, Those cap consoles make missions like Pirate Invasion just so sweet. I did the mission in my Domi (very easy) and looted/salvaged with my Catalyst.
This all was done in 40 minutes and the bounties + loot + salvage was about 25 mil isk in total. That's almost 40 million isk per hour. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2007.05.17 20:56:00 -
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Meh, it depends. It can take almost as long to loot and salvage as to do the mission. And salvaging takes bloody forever with a 15% salvage chance. (I use a typhoon or cat to salvage.)
I'm beginning to think that salvaging isn't worth the isk/hour unless you have a high salvage skill and salvage rigs. Looting might be.
Either way, salvaging is mind numbingly boring. Looting is simply boring. Missioning in a raven is ...... err I see a trend here.
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.05.17 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: sp4rk1e
I do a mix, and it depends on my mood. I've found that either way you make the same amount of ISK... if your not looting and salvaging your gaining ISK on the bounties in the next mission plus the addition of LP's.
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I'm dreading to ask this, as it may make rigs even more expensive, but has anyone actually studied the difference between the two? I know it's hard because of so many variables (namely need to make sure to get the same number and type of mission in a row) but just wondering. Cause I'm out for the isk and the LPs, I know I can get more LP doing hit and runs, but if I get more (or equal) money that way too, I may swap. Hell, it's about 100mil if I sell of my salvager anyway. And seeing as it might be easier to buy a CNR than get one through LPs...
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Neon Ghost
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Posted - 2007.05.18 02:35:00 -
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Generally I don't bother looting or salvaging, it takes far too much micromanagement for it to be fun (for me). I also don't really want to waste time training skills that don't help me kill stuff :)
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lyrenna
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.18 04:41:00 -
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if i feel like and if we do it in a gank with my mates(its fun to playing footbol with cans\o/) but i skip guristas loots/salvage mostly sasha,merc,eom and angels ftw.
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Tankerbell
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Posted - 2007.05.18 05:55:00 -
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I didn't used to .. but now that I have my handy tractor beam I loot / salvage everything
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.05.18 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Magius Paulus
Edited by: Magius Paulus on 17/05/2007 17:10:31
I only loot and salvage the following missions (ONLY BS though):
Any drone mission: Loot & Salvage (why else bother?)
Going Beserk: Loot, DON'T Salvage!!!
Any faction opponent: Loot the tags
Pirate Invasion: Loot (but a lot of empty wrecks) and definitely salvage; have an average of 12 mln here.
The Blockade: Loot and salvage.
EDIT: Since i use a dedicated salvager, i tend to be very selective on my loot. It has little use to loot all those Cap 800 charges...
That is pretty good list. I myself loot only Bersek ('EoM' - awesome loot, nerfbat has missed those guys, they drop as good as 0.0 battleships) and when in right mood then missions against merchenaries.
At the end of day it is depending on your mission running speed what missions and if they are worth loting and or salvaging for you. Faster you can do them then less missions are worth the loot/salvage.
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.05.18 10:37:00 -
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Interesting replies. Thanks.
I really should be more organised and run 16 missions shoot and scoot and time them, and 16 mission with full loot and salvage, and details on what loot and salvage each mission gave me. I doubt if I'll ever be organised enough to do that though!
As an aside, if I want to be kind to some newer players and hand out bookmarks in local for people to go and salvage and loot my missions, what's the best way for me to do it? If I drop it in a can for them, most people will assume I'm setting them up for a can theft gank.
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Hectaire Glade
Forum Jockey
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Posted - 2007.05.18 10:57:00 -
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running 1-2 level 4s a day, looting and salvaging, lets me make a raven every 2 weeks or so from recycled minerals + selling off the salvage, gives an additional 150-175m every 2 weeks on top of bounties/lp and mission reward.
Its silly not to loot tbh, its wasting money. Obviously you dont salvage the crap like duo of Death, but a level 4 mordus is around 80 cans and that's well worth the effort. Getting a good EoM mission as well is ca-ching for large salvage.
I salvage in a logistics ship, 3 tractor, 3 salvagers and 2 salvage rigs, 5 exp II cans, goes at a decent speed and gets around 1500m cargo space, which is plenty for the majority of missions if you ignore the 800 charges.
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m4jor dis4ster
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.18 11:00:00 -
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I use 2 chars to do my missions. My main goes in and gets all the aggro or kills a room. Then my alt comes in to loot and salvage.
This works well and keeps my isk earning as high as I can get it because I dont have to wait around to finish looting / salvaging, I simply finish a mission with my alt doing what they need to and start another mission which they warp to when they are done.
Originally by: Bistot Kid
As an aside, if I want to be kind to some newer players and hand out bookmarks in local for people to go and salvage and loot my missions, what's the best way for me to do it? If I drop it in a can for them, most people will assume I'm setting them up for a can theft gank.
There are 3 ways to do this as far as I am aware.
1 - Direct Trade them the BM at a station
2 - Gang them and get them to worp to you in the mission zone
3 - Leave BM in can for them to take (As you say this is the least liked option due to the kill rights for 15 minutes for theft)
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Decaro
Amarr
The Geriatrics
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Posted - 2007.05.18 12:18:00 -
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I always loot and salvage. Doesnt matter if its 80% frig ships. If I dont **** up and mistakingly click on I've finished the job at the agent as I switch to my dedicated loot ships. I also 3box, so looting/salvaging doesnt take THAT long.
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Raquel Smith
Caldari
Freedom-Technologies
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Posted - 2007.05.18 12:30:00 -
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No. I don't loot or salvage. It just takes too much time since this salvage business was introduced. Having to make two passes with a salvage destroyer and then another pass to collect everything with an industrial ship is just not fun.
It was far better when I could just send my Crane out with an afterburner and tractor beam and clean up a Guristas Extravaganza in 20 minutes.
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Drabzz
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Posted - 2007.05.18 16:21:00 -
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I always loot and salvage. It would be very wasteful not to IMHO.
Like many, I use a dedicated salvage ship - mine is a Catalyst with a 5 tractor beam, 3 salvager, 3 cap rechargers, 1 MAPC and 3 salvage tackle I (rigs) setup. I use a MWD to dash between wreck groups, and impulse speed to drag wrecks and cans along by tractor beam. I find the 5/3 setup much faster than the original 4/4 setup I used. I often need to return in an industrial to collect my collected loot cans.
I also will loot/salvage one pocket before continuing on to the next pocket on long missions; otherwise my wrecks may disappear before I have finished the mission. Be sure to bookmark each pocket so that you can return to your wrecks after the mission is closed.
I sell what loot is at a decent price and reprocess any items I cannot sell, or those for which the offer price takes the p!ss. Your reprocessing skills will define what the margin is, but 40% of market value for poor skills down to 26% for decent skills would be my guide. Don't sell at ludicrously low prices guys; melt the mods down - minerals can almost always be sold at a decent price. You will make more isk and you will not be supporting a bunch of rip off artists either.
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Stems
Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2007.05.18 20:07:00 -
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I do occasionally, but usually only when I feel like looting and salvaging. Msotly when I'm not feeling impatient 
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Red Rumurder
5punkorp
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.18 20:19:00 -
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i stopped to acquire LP faster to get my cnr's offer but am going to start it up again since the lvl 4's are so predictably boring now for me. i so wish there were like 5 variations of the mission and you wouldn't know which one till u got there, same enemies, just different triggers and ship classes (reg cruiser -> HAC) Back to looting though it alwasy depends on the mission.
lets say its massive attack sanasha lvl 4 i will pass cause its all frigs and such where AE and GE is 6 stages of 5-8 BS each lots of 800 cap boosters and salvage ftw
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Roy Gordon
Caldari
The Star Wolves
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Posted - 2007.05.19 11:35:00 -
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I definately loot and salvage!
Have you seen the price of rig material, especially since wrecks dont drop as much as they did? Over 250k isk per alloy bar for example. I have a deal with several players who manufacture rigs and other stuff who are only too keen to buy my salvage. And I'm finding weapon drops worth over 1 million a piece is most satisfying as well! What I tend to do is to collect everything in my dedicated salvager, reprocess mods which sell for below 10k, fill up my Badger Mk2 with everything else, and once every couple of weeks haul it to somewhere like Jita where I sell it for on average 50 to 60 million. And thats just for the mods, jig material and alloys normally get me between 60 and 100 million every week or so.
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:05:00 -
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I loot and salvage when I can, and somtimes, if there are hostiles in the systems I rat in when not PVPing I will even kit out an uberfast inty with a couple of salvagers and go pick up everyone else's rat droppings. Never been popped once doing this, and you can fit a lot of salvage int an inty hold.
I have gone away after a few hours with half a cargohold full of salvgae and made a hundred million or built a few rigs for myself.
Its a cheap and cheerful way to make money...
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Dragon Lord
Caldari
research inc
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Posted - 2007.05.19 14:09:00 -
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I never loot or salvage unless its a drone mission but i tend to avoid them. I get through missions fast and it takes me longer to salvage and loot than it does to run the mission itself. I still make about 20m an hour in bountys and bonuses though.
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Talkie Toaster
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.05.19 21:00:00 -
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i loot and salvage all my lvl 4 missons with an alt. can make a nice sum from selling good loot, reprocessing the crap loot and selling minerals or just making rigs.
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Clair Bear
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Posted - 2007.05.20 06:15:00 -
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Loot & salvage of battleships only. If you take your spreadsheet and make separate columns for battleship & everything else, you'll see the lion's share of the loot and salvage comes from the battleships. The rest is a total waste of time. Cherrypicking only battleships lets you clean up most L4s in just a few minutes..
It also depends on the rat type. Guristas, Serpentis, Gallente & Caldari faction? Don't bother to salvage, BS looting optional. Sansha, Blood, Angels, Amarr and Minmatar faction? Yes please! Might even salvage BCs and cruisers if they're close.
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Zo5o
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Posted - 2007.05.20 10:39:00 -
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Yep. Made 27 million for 50 minutes' worth of salvaging/looting on Blood Raider Blockade tonight. Definitely worth one's time.
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Krav
Egad Inc.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.20 18:39:00 -
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Kill everything, bookmark, return in salvaging BC. Loot/salvage. Reprocess 90% of loot for min's that build me stuff, and use salvage to produce my own rigs. Can get pretty self-sufficient if you do all three.
Krav
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Michael Caldar
DangerZone Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.21 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Magius Paulus
EDIT: Since i use a dedicated salvager, i tend to be very selective on my loot. It has little use to loot all those Cap 800 charges...
They do reprocess really well... 
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.05.21 12:03:00 -
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i scan down and salvage other peoples missions and loot where possible ( as long as they aint light blue or blue stnadings) then yeah if they aint in a corp or even going solo and not looting and salvage as they go their loss is my profit.
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Max1mus
Tripocalyptic Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Max1mus on 21/05/2007 15:37:02
So far I loot and salvage.
Mission is run in a nighthawk, then I come back in an amarr destroyer fitted wit 4 tractors and 4 salvage.
If you are one of the few that that run 2 characters at the same time, simply gang up your alt in a hauler and pull them in when you go back to salvage. This is where the trick comes in, set them to "keep at range" of about 500mtrs, that way when you are running around at full ab picking up loot and salvaging, your hauler will continually slow boat behind you. Full cargo hold ? Easy, wait 2 minutes and 6,500m3 of hauler will be right next to you again 
Hope this tip helps someone else 
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Lowanaera
Amarr
Paladin Imperium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.21 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: JamnOne
I shoot, loot, salvage - and depending on my mood and Ore in the area - I mine.
Ran a lvl 4 mission the other day - and was suppose to complete it in less than 6 hours to 1.5M bonus. Thanks to have a friend along I did it in less than hour, salvaged the whole mission went back and mined it up to 5 hours and 55 mins. Got 1.5M for Bonus, over 2 mil for mining, and over a mil for the stuff I did put on market or reprocessed and put on market as minerals.
Let's do the math here, shall we?
You got a mission. We'll assume the base payout was 1.5m, as base and bonus are usually close to each other, and that there were no bounties (obviously there were, but I'm making the point that even with zero bounties, my argument still stands). You said it took you less than an hour to complete, but we'll call it an hour for simplicity (and again, to demonstrate that even under worse circumstances my argument stands)
Hour 1: You do the mission, earning 1.5m base + the bonus 1.5m if you turn it in before the end of hour 6.
Hours 2-6: You loot, salvage, and mine, earning another 3m.
So, in the first hour, you made 3m, and then you took another 5 hours to make another 3m. If you had simply turned in the mission immediately, and gotten another, you could have been making 3m PER hour for the next five hours, plus 6 times the LP. And that's assuming no bounties, in reality the mission was likely worth 5-10m in bounties, making the amount of ISK you lost dramatically higher.
Why on earth would you do that?
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Krav
Egad Inc.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.21 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lowanaera
Let's do the math here, shall we?
You got a mission. We'll assume
You know what happens when you assume? you make an a** outta u and me.
Couldn't resist.
Point is, you really can't be making these blanket assumptions, you must go with averages and real numbers, or your entire argument is theoretical. I could produce numbers to go the other way myself, they wouldn't be right, but they'd be numbers.
Krav
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Posted - 2007.05.22 02:23:00 -
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He was using real numbers, they were supplied by an advocate of salvaging and mining. I personally salvage after missions, I figure it gets me around the same isk/hour as missions running with no risk of dieing. A cool down 
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.05.22 10:37:00 -
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Call me dumb, but what mission is "EoM" short for. Having a senior moment here!
I looted a nice mission last night, the first I've done since starting this post. Good saleable stuff was a couple of 1400 artys, an Arbalest siege (pure luck I think, very rarely get Arbs of any kind) and plenty of alloyed trit bars. A load of other chaff I just melted down. I have to say it was worth salvaging.
The thing I really, really hate and wish CCP would sort this one out, is when a ship has NO loot and salavges for nothing either. I mean, what's the point of that?
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XenoPagan
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.05.22 11:14:00 -
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I salvage almost every lvl4, totally worth it and not so tedious if you use battlecrusier for it.
was really pain to salvage with destroyer
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Loc Maythan
Gallente
Alfa00 Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.22 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Loc Maythan on 22/05/2007 11:43:59
I used to loot/salvage all missions. However, I am becoming a little more selective of late. Some missions, such as Blockade against Serpentis, are rubbish for loot at the moment, and I'm not going to waste my time salvaging wrecks scattered over a wide area just to get a few more useless salvage parts to toss on the pile which is now so large that if it topples over, the station will go crashing into the planet. If a reasonable number of the wrecks, particularly the battleship wrecks, have loot, I will come back and loot/salvage those wrecks, but all the empty wrecks get left.
Against the more 'unusual' factions - Angels, Bloods, Mercenaries - or rogue drones, I will go back and loot/salvage everything.
My approach to looting, which is no doubt the norm, is to BM the mission rooms, complete the mission, and come back in a dedicated salvage ship. This is because I don't want to compromise my mission ship with salvage mods, and the salvage ship - a Brutix - is faster, can fit more tractors and salvagers, and has a larger cargohold with the cargo expanding mods and rigs I have fitted. If the mission generates more loot than will fit in the Brutix - currently 1,320 m3 - I will stick everything in a jetcan which I drag behind me, and come back with my trusty Iteron V after the salvaging has been completed.
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Ce'Hecs
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Posted - 2007.05.22 11:40:00 -
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As a newbie, I definitely loot and especially salvage.
Those level 1 missions when you're just starting to build LP's often only pay a few hundred thousand ISK--including bounties. You can beat that salvaging just ONE rig component from a single wreck. Salvaging is such an easy skill to acquire, it's well worth it. As a newbie, I have my mission frigate fitted with a salvager, and if there are just a few wrecks I'll clean up myself; if there's a bunch, I'll come back with my salvage frigate. I did up to a couple of million ISK per mission during my 14-day free trial period.
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Sword Coast
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Posted - 2007.05.22 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: sp4rk1e
I do a mix, and it depends on my mood. I've found that either way you make the same amount of ISK... if your not looting and salvaging your gaining ISK on the bounties in the next mission plus the addition of LP's.
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I agree, same here.
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Krav
Egad Inc.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Loc Maythan
Brutix - currently 1,320 m3 - I will stick everything in a jetcan which I drag behind me, and come back with my trusty Iteron V after the salvaging has been completed.
Loc.
I fly a brutix for salvaging too. I need more m3, I only do 600-some odd m3. Could you post your setup? 1.3k is enough for the majority of missions.
Krav
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Gladia Horusthu
Gallente
Anything Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.23 06:32:00 -
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I loot but not salvage-- when my alt is feeling well (and my computer is too, poor thing) she loots and salvages.
I've not paid attention to comparisons because at this point ISK for rewards doesn't mean much-- I loot so that I can reprocess the minerals into my first cap ship. More of an rp thing I guess-- making one's next weapon of destruction from the corpses of one's enemies (or near enough their corpses). I also don't play to be productive, just to have fun.
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Ralara
Caldari
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.23 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Bistot Kid
Do you shoot, scoot and repeat, or do you take the time to loot and salvage?
I find looting and salvaging is often good for ISK, but sooo dull and also so dependant on what faction you are fighting, that I'm thinking of changing into a shooter and scooter.
i loot and salvage only if the mission is in the same system as my agent, if i have to go several jumps i dont bother.
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m4jor dis4ster
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.23 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Bistot Kid
Call me dumb, but what mission is "EoM" short for. Having a senior moment here!
I dont believe it is short for any mission. I believe that is the type of rats found in a mission, Gone Berserk for example where you get EoM Dark Knights and EoM Dark Lords.
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Loc Maythan
Alfa00 Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.23 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Krav
I fly a brutix for salvaging too. I need more m3, I only do 600-some odd m3. Could you post your setup? 1.3k is enough for the majority of missions.
Krav
I'm not logged in at the moment, so this is from memory, and may be wrong:
Hi: 4 x tractor, 3 x salvager
Mid: 1 x AB (or MWD, if you prefer), 3 x Cap Recharger IIs
Lo: 5 x Expanded Cargohold IIs
Rigs: 1 x Cargohold Optimisation I
At some point I want to fit two more Cargohold Optimisation rigs for even more space, and then I may have to permanently replace the AB with a MWD for speed reasons. I can currently get 240 m/s with the AB running.
Loc.
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.05.23 07:26:00 -
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Yes. EoM is rat type in gone bersek mission. They have Amarr hulls but do kin/thermal damage and shoot missiles. Something like Khanid ships should be.
Apparently they drop loot from Blood Raider and Gurista loot tables simultaneosly and as good as 0.0 rats do. Plenty of lasers, missile launchers and cap charges usually. As a result it is currently definately worth looting them for now (until nerfbat smacks them).
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Kahleena
Task Force Zener
Rogue Method Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.23 11:57:00 -
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Loot and salvage - ALWAYS.
Setup a destroyer with 3 tractors/5 Salvagers with all cargo expanders in the lows. Throw on a ABII, and it can cruise at about 1000 m/s no problem. Level 4s, like all missions, pay crap for actually doing the mission. The real money is in the bounties/loot/salvage. Skipping out on half/70% your payout is just not very smart or efficient.
Yes, if you try to throw 1 salvager on your Raven, you'll think its stupid, because you're not being very smart about how you go about it. You need tractor beams to be pulling wrecks toward you, and you need multiple salvagers (5 is awesome) so you can always have 2 or 3 per can so they salvage in one cycle. If you're in a room where you just cleared 40 ships, you should be clearing that room in 5-10 minutes max, any longer than that and you can improve your salvaging operation considerably.
Coming back after you finish the mission (so deadspace is gone and you can warp straight to can bookmarks at each room), it takes me no more than 10 minutes to clear out a mission with all the loot and salvage.
This is a breakdown of how my ISK usually works:
Mission + bonus: 5-8M
LP: 8-10K
Bounties: 4-25M
Loot: 20-80M
Salvage: 5-30M
Average L4 mission: 37-143M. Not bad, eh? For those of you saying, WTH she's making that up, or "I don't get that much from my loot and salvage" it's because the vast majority of mission runners I've run into reprocess 90% of their modules. Even if you have really good reprocessing skills, you're almost always better off selling those modules at a market hub like Jita. So what do I do? After a mission I throw all my "sell this" mods into a big station container named Jita, and once in a while my Iteron hauler heads out there and makes bank. Same with salvage, almost always better to sell the parts then try to make your own rigs and use/sell them. Are you a manufacturing specialist or good at running missions? Stick to what you're good at imo. Also, finishing the missions quickly is nice too, I use a Dominix with Ogres/Wardens to kill everything, and I just fly through missions. If you're saying, "well, that's great for you, but these missions take me 6 hours each in my assault frig/t2whatever" - decide if you want to do the mission in a cool ship for the hell of it or whether you're trying to make money as quickly and efficiently as possible. A lot of ships can do L4 missions, but some do them faster than others.
Other notes:
I operate in low-sec. I operate with 3 agents in 2 stations in the same system. Quality 20, 7, and 0. I turn down missions that have low payouts (like 2M total), are against drones (no loot, just those minerals to refine, which never make as much money as loot sales because I am not a miner/refiner by trade), and missions that are several jumps away (I don't like to waste time travelling) and so if my 20 agent gives me a mission I don't want, I turn him down and try the quality 7 agent, then the quality 0 one as well. So far, I have never had to turn down all 3 agents when I wanted to do a mission.
If you find looting boring, you're not getting good enough loot or not getting it fast enough, the destroyer with its 8 hi slots, fast speed and agility is really the optimal looter. Try one out and you'll quickly agree.
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.05.23 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: m4jor dis4ster
Originally by: Bistot Kid
Call me dumb, but what mission is "EoM" short for. Having a senior moment here!
I dont believe it is short for any mission. I believe that is the type of rats found in a mission, Gone Berserk for example where you get EoM Dark Knights and EoM Dark Lords.
Cheers mate, and cheers Carniflex. You know when you spend ages niggling over something you think you should know? I've have "EoM? EoM?" going around in my head! 
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2007.05.23 16:01:00 -
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EoM is Equilibrium of Mankind for completeness 
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