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EVETV Sapateiro
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Aramark How have you sovled the problem that some people might see this as a way to spy on hostile forces in the system?
We aim to post on these forums (or the EVE TV forums) where we are operating (or have been operating). The guy in charge of the newsroom should know where his reporters are and if they've been spotted where they haven't been asked to report, then I shall investigate.
As for adding to lag, surely one extra ship isn't going to have an effect, but if things are impossible to film, that in itself is news-worthy n'est pas?
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EVETV Sapateiro
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Thunk Sorry to sound so cynical, but I've never known any form of media to remain unbiased overtime - except maybe the Discovery Channel, but I'm not sure you'll be filming the mating rituals of space wombats found in and around the 93PI-4 system.
Eve-Online volounteer departments have long had questions over their impartiality that have remained unchecked. While I am grateful for the efforts of 99% of these people who take time out of their own busy schedules in order to make the game better for the rest of us, there are the few who destroy all this work to benefit themselves and their friends.
I would hate to see the efforts of EveTV turned into someone elses propaganda tool as time goes on.
That said, I really enjoyed SpiralJunkies coverage of the last PvP tournament, so hope temptation can be avoided.
Captain Thunk
I agree wholeheartedly. 100% objectivity is perhaps an impossible aim, but it's surely right to at least try to attain it.
Perhaps there should be some kind of EVE media watchdog, to keep us and the other EVE channels - both official and independent - in check? I would be than happy to have a conference call with a small panel of council members every so often to address any concerns that they have with specific content or general editorial policy.
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Morris Falter
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.19 14:44:00 -
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This really could be a cool thing - good luck with making it work.
One suggestion - as an incentive for people to get in touch, how about providing download links for your recorded footage?
Clearly, its impossible for anyone with in-game links to be impartial, but if you're not interested in the game enough to play it.. then why would you be part of this team? We're just going to have to take it on faith that this doesn't get abused, and hope we aren't disappointed.
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DeckardIRL
Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.19 16:00:00 -
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Eve TV is welcome anytime.
I will convo EveTV ingame when appropriate.
Deck _____________________________________________ Xelas Fleet Admiral
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Archilies
The Wild Hunt FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.19 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Archilies on 19/05/2007 18:25:02
Originally by: Captain Thunk Sorry to sound so cynical, but I've never known any form of media to remain unbiased overtime - except maybe the Discovery Channel
You obvoiusly havent heard of the BBC
As for the Alliance contact list im looking for media contacts which alot of the alliances still don't have, and im wanting to get it filled up with lots of yellow text. So if you could have executor ceo's post on there who their media contacts that'd be great.
/me looks at seleene and other notable alliance leaders
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Godolphin
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.19 23:02:00 -
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YAWN now wears my BPO and ban this account
PS gona hot seeleene at the waaaankfest with my member
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Sean Dillon
Caldari Naughty 40
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Posted - 2007.05.20 10:15:00 -
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Big Brother will be watching you
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Bregolas
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Posted - 2007.05.20 11:10:00 -
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Are you kidding? This spiral guy still has a job after what he pulled? I think CCP have sunk to a new low. Surely there's someone else you could hire to do his job, I mean lets face it he wasn't that great at it in the first place.
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Sadist
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.20 14:59:00 -
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I think this is a great initiative by EVETV, and we'll be glad to go along with it. After all, people want the hot stuff from the eastern front òòòòòòòòòòòò
VIP member of the [23]
Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.20 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: SwindonBadger on 20/05/2007 19:53:49 What happens if I pop a camera man? I dont really ever check names/corp, and have a habiit of corpse hunting.
good idear:) Hope that hard drive is massive if u get one of those alliance thingies
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EVETV spiralJunkie
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Posted - 2007.05.21 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: SwindonBadger Edited by: SwindonBadger on 20/05/2007 19:53:49 What happens if I pop a camera man? I dont really ever check names/corp, and have a habiit of corpse hunting.
good idear:) Hope that hard drive is massive if u get one of those alliance thingies
That's why we recommend you set us all to blue. That way we're not on your overview, and you don't spark a massive Diplomatic Incident :D
That said, I have a feeling ane EVE TV representative you see will be quite hard to kill _
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Doc Punkiller
Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.05.21 11:16:00 -
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Can we shoot you or will you be in invulnerable ships ?
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.21 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Punkiller Can we shoot you or will you be in invulnerable ships ?
Camera Titans 4tw.
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CelticWarrior
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.21 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: EVETV spiralJunkie
Originally by: SwindonBadger Edited by: SwindonBadger on 20/05/2007 19:53:49 What happens if I pop a camera man? I dont really ever check names/corp, and have a habiit of corpse hunting.
good idear:) Hope that hard drive is massive if u get one of those alliance thingies
That's why we recommend you set us all to blue. That way we're not on your overview, and you don't spark a massive Diplomatic Incident :D
That said, I have a feeling ane EVE TV representative you see will be quite hard to kill
Cant say I'm that keen on this idea.What happens when one of the reporters uncloaks a covert/cloaked recon ship? and the gang your in opens up and pops them.If your going to do this there needs to be a clearly published set of rules posted in advance so everyone knows what the reporters can and can't do.
Personally i think ye should be allowed to warp to gates/stations at zero and no other distances, i wouldnt allow a reporter to orbit any sniper Battleships for that nice wide angle shot etc as there may well be a covert moving in to get a spot for a dictor etc and there will be hell to pay if they are uncloaked by a reporter.I would allow the reporter to be gang warped only and once you come out of warp they sit where they stop until gang warped somewhere else, no roaming around the system willy nilly on there own.
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Firane
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.21 19:51:00 -
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Cool.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Dianabolic on 21/05/2007 22:51:59 Might I suggest that one way you can get in on the action without being told about it is a summary at downtime of all pos that are in reinforced, their locations and the times they come out - these are normally the best times to see "fixed location" engagements.
Good luck with it :) Reikoku Diplomatic Forums |
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EVETV spiralJunkie
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Posted - 2007.05.21 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic Edited by: Dianabolic on 21/05/2007 22:51:59 Might I suggest that one way you can get in on the action without being told about it is a summary at downtime of all pos that are in reinforced, their locations and the times they come out - these are normally the best times to see "fixed location" engagements.
Good luck with it :)
It's a good plan. Another is to see where there are massive death blobs on the map. Another is keeping an eye on public channels and finding out where "it's going down".
We're still debating to what degree we want to be involved in situations where we're not expressly invited. We don't want to cause any obstruction, any worry, or any ill feeling _
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.22 02:40:00 -
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Seriously hope u can get some good footage in. As for living I adivse warping out unless ur in a cloaked dred when the big boys DD.
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Zeoliter
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 10:56:00 -
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I'm sure they'll be in Polaris class ships. I've seen a few "Joost" Polaris ships in the South-East recently.
As for D2 concerns, I don't see the issue. If you allow EveTV to tag along with you then just set the rules for them. If they screw up then they don't ride with you anymore. And if your covert is blind and doesn't see an EveTV ship coming towards him then perhaps invest in some spectacles?
I don't see any issues with this. It's all for the good of Eve and adds another layer of entertainment. If I missed a big battle but then saw it on EveTV I'd be quite happy. Hang around 9-9 for a few weeks as there is major spankage every day without fail. :)
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CelticWarrior
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.22 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Zeoliter And if your covert is blind and doesn't see an EveTV ship coming towards him then perhaps invest in some spectacles
Hmmm guess you might be in need of the Hubble Telescope yourself ? If you succumb to the EveTV request and set them to blue your coverts are blinded as the EveTv reporters no longer appear on their overview,so now i got no distance readout on them,no indication on whether there getting nearer and absolutely no idea what speed there moving at and its too much of a risk to set them blue and then hope that covert pilots will override the setting by setting them back to neutral so they appear back on their overviews.
Btw EveTv people what ship are you going to be in and whats it's upper speed limit?I think ye should be given pods with 99% resists and be the slowest vessel in game really, being in a pod would also put EveTv reporters in surroundings they may be familiar with.
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LC Sulla
Caldari House Mekarae
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Zeoliter I'm sure they'll be in Polaris class ships.
I don't think that's fair IMO. Real life war correspondents often take heavy risks to get the best footage. These guys should too.
Their ships should be paid for in ISK (just like ours are) and they should function under all of the gameplay rules we function under. If someone decides the EveTV guys hanging around are a security risk then pop them. It will force them to build up trust with the alliances.
In the real world most atrocities occur away from the prying eyes of reporters. Eve is as real as it gets so let's not 'godmode' Eve's reporters. ------------------
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Surrogate
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Surrogate on 22/05/2007 16:28:02 Edited for flaming.
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Ifni
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: LC Sulla
Originally by: Zeoliter I'm sure they'll be in Polaris class ships.
I don't think that's fair IMO. Real life war correspondents often take heavy risks to get the best footage. These guys should too.
Their ships should be paid for in ISK (just like ours are) and they should function under all of the gameplay rules we function under. If someone decides the EveTV guys hanging around are a security risk then pop them. It will force them to build up trust with the alliances.
In the real world most atrocities occur away from the prying eyes of reporters. Eve is as real as it gets so let's not 'godmode' Eve's reporters.
You realise, of course, that EVE is not real life? I know it can be a hard distinction between the two, but it must occasionally be made.
Having the reporters in targetable and destroyable ships will mean that people will shoot them anyway, simply so that they can say "I shot spiralJunkie". Additionally, I can't see every ingame alliance setting standings to the corporation, so again, having the reporters in Polaris ships means that it doesn't matter if you get shot, you aren't going to kill them anyway.
EVETV is aiming for impartiality. Having them with you is no more of a security risk than having an enemy pilot watching you in a covert ops. They won't be in your gangs, and they won't have access to your voice comms, so really, classing them as a security risk is idiotic. It's akin to claiming the sun is killing you because it's throwing radiation at your brain. Perhaps a tinfoil hat might alleviate the problems...
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LC Sulla
Caldari House Mekarae
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ifni You realise, of course, that EVE is not real life? I know it can be a hard distinction between the two, but it must occasionally be made.
Are you sure??
Quote: EVETV is aiming for impartiality. Having them with you is no more of a security risk than having an enemy pilot watching you in a covert ops. They won't be in your gangs, and they won't have access to your voice comms, so really, classing them as a security risk is idiotic. It's akin to claiming the sun is killing you because it's throwing radiation at your brain. Perhaps a tinfoil hat might alleviate the problems...
So long as it's run by people then the temptations of the human condition are always there. While everyone hopes for the best it's stupid not to be prepared for the worst.
EveTV and CCP MUST have mechanisms in place to make sure people flying around in Polaris class vessels (reporting the news) aren't relaying fleet intel (movements & composition) in real time to their buddys in ts. I'm not saying this will occur (this has nothing to do with tinfoil and everything to do with human nature) but if it happens... well you get the point. ------------------
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 17:35:00 -
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You need to use delayed stream broadcast. First, this eliminates EvE-TV from being used as a spy tool on fleet compositions (to a certain extend), second, i am sure you will get a lot more viewers if they were the actual participants, sitting back and watching their own battle after it happened
== Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
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Santiago Cortes
Caldari ISD Interstellar Correspondents Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.05.22 19:25:00 -
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Having Evetv in anything other than Polaris ships would just invite someone to accidentally target them and then repeatedly accidentally target their pod.
Much as though we all like explosions, it wouldn't make for good footage halfway through a fight and the cameraman suddenly switches to the inside of a station.
Not only that but such a situation would actually increase the claims of bias given the full fight wouldn't be available to see.
Clearly given the concerns of past action on behalf of media organisations, it is in the interests of all that will appear both on evetv and interviewed by IC that they add themselves to the alliance contact list, individual corps are welcome to contact us directly.
afaik evetv will be a weekly programme, it will not be a case of "we take you here live" kind of action.
And if you fancy being a part of the whole shebang, or worried enough about the whole thing that you want a chance to influence editorial policy, why not volunteer Here
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PostWithYourMain
Main Corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.22 21:34:00 -
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Call charges :\
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.23 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: EVETV spiralJunkie
We're still debating to what degree we want to be involved in situations where we're not expressly invited. We don't want to cause any obstruction, any worry, or any ill feeling
Fly non-invulnerable ships. That way, if you're not invited, we can just blow you up and send you back to the clone vats --------
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Lurks Amarr
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.23 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Cortes Having Evetv in anything other than Polaris ships would just invite someone to accidentally target them and then repeatedly accidentally target their pod.
Could always give them Polaris Class Escape PodsÖ so we all can pop spirals ships
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Annu
Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.25 08:26:00 -
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Well tbh, it needs to be poliaris. Mind the Doomsdays!
One assumes a polaris will handle a quadruple doomsday :)
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