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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 21/05/2007 23:42:59 Corvus Belli, I think you somewhat misunderstand the situation, probably intentionally.
Our "pets" do pretty much what they want, when they want. They aren't slaves, and we aren't their masters.
They don't give up anything, they gain. There are plenty of corps and even alliances in Eve who want 0.0 access, but find it hard to make a place for themselves due to the level of control held by the existing territorial alliances. The choice between sitting in Empire and crying, or taking an offer for access, isn't really a hard one for them. Even if they pay rent it is only a fraction of the extra money they make.
The more powerful military forces in our space help police it and protect it for the rent payers, and so most of the time BoB won't even be anywhere near the area. In times of conflict BoB will help to defend our friends (and if we didn't like our "pets" they wouldn't be there). For many it is purely a business arrangement, and for some it is much more like being a conventional 0.0 entity, with the added advantage of having BoB there to help out.
I know you want to try and demonise our system, that much is clear from the wording of your posts, and you are entitled to your opinion. However, I would point out that some of those forces who publically frown upon our structure also try to emulate it. Unfortuantely for them, I think the current situation is less than ideal for their renters .. especially if they want to refine anything.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Santiago Cortes
Caldari ISD Interstellar Correspondents Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.05.22 01:30:00 -
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I think saying an article shouldn't be published is somewhat demeaning to the work that goes into one. The time that goes into setting up an interview, researching and debating questions in house then actually getting to do the interview and then writing it up amounts to many man hours.
Interstellar Correspondents cannot be held responsible for the answers that are provided to our questions, we are merely asking ones we think the general population of Eve would like to know.
IC will be working in close conjunction with Evetv and we look forward to how players will react if and when their interviews are broadcast.
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Jareck Hunter
Caldari Academy of Decadence
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Posted - 2007.05.22 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Keorythe
Its already been confirmed that there are dev's in the anti-BoB coalition. There has been no proof that neither BoB nor its enemies have been "supported" by devs. ....
Do you read your answers, before you post? There is a confirmed Dev in the Coalition, show me the proof, never heard of one. Well others thing in your post i don't want to mention, like Janus in the Interview, cause they only will start another flame war....
BTW not everybody associated with BOB is a Pet. Pets are no real Allys in the old style, so they are not counted as these. So the Allianz is formed out of BOB, BOBs Allys and theyr so called "Pets".
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: Atius Tirawa on 22/05/2007 02:59:54
Originally by: DeadWeight
Originally by: Dark Shikari The interview seems to prove once again that Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
The river is called the "Nile" or the "River Nile". Please get it right and stop perpuating this lame phrase. There is no river in Egypt called "Denial". You seem like an educated person DS, please act like one.
Maby its a New York thing. . .you need to stress the right letters to make it work. try, Da Nile (the Nile) = Danile = Denile = the Nile. I thought it was a NY Jewish thing. . .since other people I say that to miss the reference too (or come to think of it, it may come from a movie.)
Oftain used as follows: "She is the queen of de-nile." Thus the double meaning in both refering to someone as a snobby person who does not take responsibility <Cleopatra, queen of the nile> and to the fact that that person denies everything.
As for the interview - we will all agree that it was awful.
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.05.22 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Atius Tirawa Edited by: Atius Tirawa on 22/05/2007 02:59:54
Originally by: DeadWeight
Originally by: Dark Shikari The interview seems to prove once again that Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
The river is called the "Nile" or the "River Nile". Please get it right and stop perpuating this lame phrase. There is no river in Egypt called "Denial". You seem like an educated person DS, please act like one.
Maby its a New York thing. . .you need to stress the right letters to make it work. try, Da Nile (the Nile) = Danile = Denile = the Nile. I thought it was a NY Jewish thing. . .since other people I say that to miss the reference too (or come to think of it, it may come from a movie.)
Oftain used as follows: "She is the queen of de-nile." Thus the double meaning in both refering to someone as a snobby person who does not take responsibility <Cleopatra, queen of the nile> and to the fact that that person denies everything.
As for the interview - we will all agree that it was awful.
Damn,,, if people are actually being serious some people need to get out more and find out what some real-world ye olde sayings are,,,
Anyways,,, as for the interview,,, meh,, NBSI still holds true,,,
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Katharina Gorbacheva
Amarr Soviet Star Federation Celestial Frontier
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Posted - 2007.05.22 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Atius Tirawa Edited by: Atius Tirawa on 22/05/2007 02:59:54
Originally by: DeadWeight
Originally by: Dark Shikari The interview seems to prove once again that Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
The river is called the "Nile" or the "River Nile". Please get it right and stop perpuating this lame phrase. There is no river in Egypt called "Denial". You seem like an educated person DS, please act like one.
Maby its a New York thing. . .you need to stress the right letters to make it work. try, Da Nile (the Nile) = Danile = Denile = the Nile. I thought it was a NY Jewish thing. . .since other people I say that to miss the reference too (or come to think of it, it may come from a movie.)
Oftain used as follows: "She is the queen of de-nile." Thus the double meaning in both refering to someone as a snobby person who does not take responsibility <Cleopatra, queen of the nile> and to the fact that that person denies everything.
As for the interview - we will all agree that it was awful.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.22 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Katharina Gorbacheva
The river Nile isn't even pronounced that way, it's being pronounced like "Neal".
You're in denial.
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Flaming Lemming
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Posted - 2007.05.22 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Originally by: Katharina Gorbacheva
The river Nile isn't even pronounced that way, it's being pronounced like "Neal".
You're in denial.
Isn't that a river in Egypt? I'm just an Alt....but my main doesn't have a sig either.
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Ralara
Caldari Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Cortes I think saying an article shouldn't be published is somewhat demeaning to the work that goes into one. The time that goes into setting up an interview, researching and debating questions in house then actually getting to do the interview and then writing it up amounts to many man hours.
Interstellar Correspondents cannot be held responsible for the answers that are provided to our questions, we are merely asking ones we think the general population of Eve would like to know.
The ten questions series has so far covered Privateers and D2, we have a third awaiting answers from BoB. It is not a news item per se, I believe that there is a degree of flexibility available to reporters within the framework provided.
IC will be working in close conjunction with Evetv and we look forward to how players will react if and when their interviews are broadcast.
I think it's more a matter of people being disappointed by the answers, rather than the questions :)
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Slate Fistcrunch
Direct Intent Blind Beavers
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Posted - 2007.05.22 06:46:00 -
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This interview would have been 10 times more interesting and just as informative had it gone as such...
IC: What was the outcome of your assault into BoB space? D2: I plead the fif! I plead the fif! FIVE! 1,2,3,4, fiiiif! Anything you say! FIIIF! Go ahead and ask me a question! IC: How does... D2: Fif! I like to show all of you a secret document! [pulls out a piece of paper saying "FiF"] D2: Fiiiiiiiiiiiiif!
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Corvus Belli
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Posted - 2007.05.22 06:47:00 -
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Avon
Not trying to demonise BoBs system - for instance starting using the word client rather than pet as it seemed more neutral.... The term pet is an obvious insult.
So, the deal is more of a bsiness relationship. Alliances that can't hold an area of 0.0 pay BoB. BoB get to expand its influence and the other alliance gets access ot the serious profits of 0.0 space.
This makes sense - couple of flaws I can see in what you present, so could you clarify?
1. The real fun of 0.0 (as defined by me at least but feel lots of other 0.0 residents may agree) is the autonamy that it brings, the chance to carve out your own space and die defending it if need be and then come back for more. being a 'client' in BoB space takes away some of the best bits of 0.0 residency I would have thought.
2. BoB just come across as so arrogant the way they present themselves that I would just hate to be in a subordinate position to them. Even you, who have made an effort to discuss this seriously have said 'we like our pets and we like the term' or somesuch. If I was a 'client', 'pet', 'subordinate alliance', call it what you will, would think 'ffs, you can just **** right of you arrogant *******'. Am really not trying to start a flame ofyou or BoB here, just am honest perception.
Would also point out, that whilst you argue that it is a 'win win' situation, you just don't see any of the 'client' corps ever jumping in saying 'hey don't call us pets, BoBs great to work with and we thank them for or chance to get into 0.0'. Or maybe you do, I hardly read the forums and might have missed it.
Overall, with the way BoB space is set up, there does seem to be a clear almost feudal overlord / subordinate relationship, which precludes the alliances involved as being allies, therefore the term I would still contend is misleading. I do think 'Kingdom' or 'Empire' would be more accurate.
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Dufas
Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.05.22 06:50:00 -
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I got about 3 questions into reading it and was just annoyed at the answers and the flow at which it was taking...i went back to mining veld Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Timmeh
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Auron Shadowbane
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Posted - 2007.05.22 07:18:00 -
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as this is a somewhat political theme I have to stress that the following is my opinion and mine alone. ask officials for alliance opinion on it.
The answears were dissapointing but tbh I think it was great RP. Oppenly admitting in a RPish manner, that you suck is not easy but it was done very well.
It would be cool if we could get more of these interviews with more of the alliances (and even the smaller ones) to get a more "political" rp feeling.
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Crean NaVar
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.22 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn The interview made me rofl. D2 is no longer news-worthy in any sense, especially their opinions. They will be back in Empire within the month.
D2 controlled large parts of the northern regions, built 3 titans, actually had the balls to stand up against BoB (unlike all of these now big-/smacktalking pet alliances) and is atm fighting for survival against numerous hostile groups in its space. Which part of this history is not newsworthy?
And an even better question: what exactly has Rise ever achieved to be worth a forum post, let alone a news item.
Crall back under your stone, troll.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.22 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Cortes I think saying an article shouldn't be published is somewhat demeaning to the work that goes into one.
Interstellar Correspondents cannot be held responsible for the answers that are provided to our questions, we are merely asking ones we think the general population of Eve would like to know.
They might not be responsible for the answers but if you're taking the interview and you realize the person on the other end isn't bothering to give you a somewhat serious answer then one should simply walk away and interview someone who can be bothered to answer the questions. The last thing you should do it post it in between actually interesting news stories.
Originally by: Corvus Belli Not trying to demonise BoBs system - for instance starting using the word client rather than pet as it seemed more neutral.... The term pet is an obvious insult.
As a pet i demand my masters call me a pet, mainly because the cryalition gets upset about their puny insults not working and the fact that they cant even hold their space while being attacked by a bunch of pets.
Originally by: Corvus Belli 1. The real fun of 0.0 (as defined by me at least but feel lots of other 0.0 residents may agree) is the autonamy that it brings, the chance to carve out your own space and die defending it if need be and then come back for more. being a 'client' in BoB space takes away some of the best bits of 0.0 residency I would have thought.
I dont see the point in investing money in infrastructure and other things only to sit around and wait for a bigger fish to drop by that likes your space because once it does, you have no chance left and you just lost a lot of money.
I live in Bob space, which means i can call on a various number or allies or Bob themselves if we cant handle it on our own. -----
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.22 07:54:00 -
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Edited by: Rhaegor Stormborn on 22/05/2007 07:53:21
Originally by: Crean NaVar
D2 controlled large parts of the northern regions, built 3 titans, actually had the balls to stand up against BoB (unlike all of these now big-/smacktalking pet alliances) and is atm fighting for survival against numerous hostile groups in its space. Which part of this history is not newsworthy?
Stood up against BoB? You mean attacked Xelas for a few weeks and failed miserably? Or how you are losing your regions almost as fast as ASCN did because you are just another empty-shell carebear alliance? Lawl.
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Valkazm
Amarr ECP Rogues
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Posted - 2007.05.22 08:12:00 -
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well bassicly the pets got tired of being called that so they put togheter a campaign to call it the Alliance .. so now is a term mostly used by them aswell ..
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Adaris
Dark and Light inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Cortes I think saying an article shouldn't be published is somewhat demeaning to the work that goes into one. The time that goes into setting up an interview, researching and debating questions in house then actually getting to do the interview and then writing it up amounts to many man hours.
Interstellar Correspondents cannot be held responsible for the answers that are provided to our questions, we are merely asking ones we think the general population of Eve would like to know.
The ten questions series has so far covered Privateers and D2, we have a third awaiting answers from BoB. It is not a news item per se, I believe that there is a degree of flexibility available to reporters within the framework provided.
IC will be working in close conjunction with Evetv and we look forward to how players will react if and when their interviews are broadcast.
I am sure no disrespect was intended to the people at ISD (News section) who put in alot of time and effort and cannot and should not be held accountable for the answers they get from asking questions. Please Help me, YOU could be next!
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
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Posted - 2007.05.22 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Edited by: Rhaegor Stormborn on 22/05/2007 07:53:21
Originally by: Crean NaVar
D2 controlled large parts of the northern regions, built 3 titans, actually had the balls to stand up against BoB (unlike all of these now big-/smacktalking pet alliances) and is atm fighting for survival against numerous hostile groups in its space. Which part of this history is not newsworthy?
Stood up against BoB? You mean attacked Xelas for a few weeks and failed miserably? Or how you are losing your regions almost as fast as ASCN did because you are just another empty-shell carebear alliance? Lawl.
Priceless coming from RISE.
Has i said in another thread janus is now my hero,he responded quite good he dogged with sarcasm and irony i laughed hard in RL.
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Adaris
Dark and Light inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Belli
Would also point out, that whilst you argue that it is a 'win win' situation, you just don't see any of the 'client' corps ever jumping in saying 'hey don't call us pets, BoBs great to work with and we thank them for or chance to get into 0.0'. Or maybe you do, I hardly read the forums and might have missed it.
They have spoken out to say that they are not treated like pets but like business partners, that there is a good relationship there and that outside opinions are unimportant tbh because the outside is easy to critisise on what it doesn't share. I respect that you say you have not read the forums but posts like that have been made en masse, usually in the middle of posts like this one so it would be hard to 'find' them, but not impossible if you looked. Please Help me, YOU could be next!
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Hannobaal
Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.22 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Katharina Gorbacheva The river Nile isn't even pronounced that way, it's being pronounced like "Neal".
You mean in Arabic? Yeah, nahr l-neel.
"Inta men Masr? Keef l-neel w nahr l-layl?" ------------------ "If you ever need anything please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first." |
Arshes Nei
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.05.22 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Belli
Would also point out, that whilst you argue that it is a 'win win' situation, you just don't see any of the 'client' corps ever jumping in saying 'hey don't call us pets, BoBs great to work with and we thank them for or chance to get into 0.0'. Or maybe you do, I hardly read the forums and might have missed it.
Its easy. Many alliances/corps have a dont post in the bull**** section of the forums rule, we are not even supposed to read it, we call it the mental care program.
On a more serious note, since we are in general discussion here i can tell you that the amount of misconceptions about bob and their relationship to us "pets" is a constant source of amusement for all involved. People have a very avid imagination it seems.
Besides the whole idea about us being slaves is laughable once you get around to the fact that we are not some bunch of 2 mil SP players forced to live either here or in empire but mostly older players. We can walk out the door any time and get welcomed with open arms in other alliances which do not reside in bob space. Its our own choice that we live in bob space and fight for it, because we like to to pvp and like the people on our side.
Besides we actually appreciate the network of standings, stations and alliances bob build up, its nice to be part of such a well running and well organized machinery, especially if it fills your own pocket while still providing you with some pvp action.
Ok disclaimer: im just a lowly grunt, nothing i say is either the opinion of my corp, my alliance, THE alliance, concord, ISD or CCP. Im just rolling out some personal opinions i collected while living in bob space for many months now.
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Jaggeh
Furious Angels Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.05.22 09:37:00 -
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tbh it was a rediculously unprofessional interview. do IC not have editors? if my local paper tried to print drivel like that the reporter would get sacked.
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BluOrange
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.22 09:53:00 -
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To ISD: I think if you explained how the ten questions format works, it might help matters. Your reply in this thread suggests that it's not conducted like a regular interview where the interviewer has the freedom to choose what question to ask next.
To those saying this shouldn't be published: Major news sources often report interviews with political figures where similar answers are given. Perhaps senior alliance members are in political roles? ------ Agony Unleashed is recruiting. |
Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 10:13:00 -
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there is no bob
- Gob
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Adaris
Dark and Light inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.22 10:22:00 -
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With the article in mind, I thought it was lacking substance. I thought the IC did ask some good questions, that D2 could have answered much better instead of basically saying, 'Here I want to show you my ball, my ball is red, don't you like my ball? Lets talk about my ball. Did I mention it was red? Its my ball you see, my red ball, which I like.'
I put this down to the fact that the D2 rep didn't actually have anything of true substance to say about the questions asked. In which case, he effectivly wasted the time of the ISD IC interviewer and my time for reading it. I would have thought D2 would have taken this more seriously. Please Help me, YOU could be next!
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.22 10:34:00 -
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A good interview is open with subtle topic highlights, letting the interviewee be open and broad with their answers. Offers the opportunity to show what you and yours fly for and to discuss what your really about.
Don't blame the reporter when the interviewee instead decides to be an ***hat, play vague and beat around the bush.
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.05.22 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: DeadWeight
The river is called the "Nile" or the "River Nile". Please get it right and stop perpuating this lame phrase. There is no river in Egypt called "Denial". You seem like an educated person DS, please act like one.
Are you for real?
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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Barbarellas Daughter
Lonely Barbarella
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Posted - 2007.05.22 11:26:00 -
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IC: How has D2 responded to Triumvirate's claim to Venal? D2: Venal is traditionally home by the Gursitas Faction and because of this they have to reply in such matters. It was always policy by Dusk and Dawn not to interfere in politics of other alliances and factions.
IC: I can understand that, How are you working together with your southern allies? D2: ... As you know they live on the other side of the universe, and they show their success in their own ways to reach their goals.
D2: The outposts are a shared property of all corporations within our state. This means all income goes in charity programs ... -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely hilarious interview! I like it much! I had a good laugh and i think it was intended (at least by D2) to be funny
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Goktar illiat
Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 12:21:00 -
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You're all so EMO ...
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