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Corvus Belli
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Posted - 2007.05.21 19:31:00 -
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In the news section when I logged on there was an interview with someone from D2. The intervewer mentioned the 'Alliance'.
From the context, I am assuming when they said 'The Alliance' they meant BoB and pets, but am not sure, can someone confirm this for me?
If so, this does seem a very obvious attempt to affect pepoles perception of events by trying to force a change of language (alliance - not BoB and their clients).
Dosn't make me feel as quesy as the news story that promised to give the reasons for the anti BoB war, it claimed there was fear of BoBs expansionist polices rather than the true reason of general revulsion at how BoB as an alliance was supported by developers. It does however seem an example of an attempt to re write (Eve) history.
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Ethan Hunte
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Posted - 2007.05.21 19:39:00 -
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the interview is ********, he doesn't answer any of the questions asked at all.
just weird gibberish that doesn't make sense.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.21 19:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Corvus Belli
If so, this does seem a very obvious attempt to affect pepoles perception of events by trying to force a change of language (alliance - not BoB and their clients).
Which would do what exactly?
anyway, the interview is stupid and i have no idea why it was even posted. 
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Stellar Vix
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Posted - 2007.05.21 19:46:00 -
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Did you check what corp the interviewer is from might give insight to where they form thier opinions/questions from. Similar to the JV- Battle reporter on the offical news was a pro-coalation member.
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Jotan Veer
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2007.05.21 19:47:00 -
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I have to agree with Josh on this, that 'interview' wasn't anywhere near newsworthy.
'There is always war'....'BOB who?'....come on, can I have a double order whatever the D2 dude is having, please?
@OP: You are obviously trolling, but in case you are really this clueless, let me give you one, not everyone in the 'Alliance' is a pet. Some people pay BOB, some people get paid by BOB and some people just fight for free.
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Sochin
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Belli
In the news section when I logged on there was an interview with someone from D2. The intervewer mentioned the 'Alliance'.
From the context, I am assuming when they said 'The Alliance' they meant BoB and pets, but am not sure, can someone confirm this for me?
If so, this does seem a very obvious attempt to affect pepoles perception of events by trying to force a change of language (alliance - not BoB and their clients).
Dosn't make me feel as quesy as the news story that promised to give the reasons for the anti BoB war, it claimed there was fear of BoBs expansionist polices rather than the true reason of general revulsion at how BoB as an alliance was supported by developers. It does however seem an example of an attempt to re write (Eve) history.
People have been calling it the "Alliance" for quite a long time in CAOD. Perhaps you should refrain from calling "zOMG conspiracy!!" in matters you aren't familiar with.
On side note, that was the most ridiculous interview I've ever seen. Janus should run for President, hes good enough at dodging questions and giving vague, irrelevant answers.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.21 19:57:00 -
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The interview seems to prove once again that Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
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DeadWeight
Minmatar
Botox Bandits
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
The interview seems to prove once again that Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
The river is called the "Nile" or the "River Nile". Please get it right and stop perpuating this lame phrase. There is no river in Egypt called "Denial". You seem like an educated person DS, please act like one.
As for the interview, all questions were avoided and the interviewer really did not press of answers. Its not a sin to admit that D2 overextended itself or that much of their plan relied on their allies having the same zeal as they do. The best you can do is draw up a plan and assign roles, and trust that people will get their goals achieved. When it works its called team work, when it fails its called tunnel vision.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:36:00 -
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I thought the entire interview was just someone trying to harass D2 and rub poo in their faces, and then show it all off to the rest of EVE.
Although I am looking forward to the Gurista's response to Tri's claim to Venal. Reminds me of Stain =D
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Kharass Al'Quam
Minmatar
Team Jihad
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: DeadWeight
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The interview seems to prove once again that Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
The river is called the "Nile" or the "River Nile". Please get it right and stop perpuating this lame phrase. There is no river in Egypt called "Denial". You seem like an educated person DS, please act like one.
As for the interview, all questions were avoided and the interviewer really did not press of answers. Its not a sin to admit that D2 overextended itself or that much of their plan relied on their allies having the same zeal as they do. The best you can do is draw up a plan and assign roles, and trust that people will get their goals achieved. When it works its called team work, when it fails its called tunnel vision.
Lolz your brilliant and im quite fond of you :)
Fly safe my dear man.
And dont be tempted DS.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:48:00 -
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its a political spin post ( must be a political adviser or PR person in real life) they get thier strengths across miniminze in their reaction theier weaknesses and make it look small by describing it as such while talking up their strengths
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:02:00 -
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I agree that the posting of the interview was pointless. Even as someone who has barely followed what's been happening I can see that whoever was interviewed seemed very evasive when it came to answering questions regarding the reasoning for the war, and what exactly happened to D2 during their paticipation. The majority of what was posted was plain gibberish.
However, that said, the interview appeared to me to be presented in character, and there really are no ways in character to descibe "The Blueprint Incident" and the ongoing discussion that was the catalyst for the war.
Either way, it was pointless posting it IMO, there's not really a lot of content other than "ummm..." and "errrrr..."
Nice to see some in game coverage of events in the news though, they just need to be a bit more accurate and concise tbh.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Callthetruth
its a political spin post ( must be a political adviser or PR person in real life) they get thier strengths across miniminze in their reaction theier weaknesses and make it look small by describing it as such while talking up their strengths
Tbh I read the exact opposite in that interview...
The message it conveyed to me can be summarized in two words: D2 sucks.
It also should have been edited for proper english, especially the 'It was me a pleasure' part had me smack my forehead. We use that kind of kindergarten-english to ridicule each other in the pub... (I am german too)
Not that I expect every german to know english 100%, but in an official news item...
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:10:00 -
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The interview made me rofl. D2 is no longer news-worthy in any sense, especially their opinions. They will be back in Empire within the month.
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Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: DeadWeight
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The interview seems to prove once again that Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
The river is called the "Nile" or the "River Nile". Please get it right and stop perpuating this lame phrase. There is no river in Egypt called "Denial". You seem like an educated person DS, please act like one.
As for the interview, all questions were avoided and the interviewer really did not press of answers. Its not a sin to admit that D2 overextended itself or that much of their plan relied on their allies having the same zeal as they do. The best you can do is draw up a plan and assign roles, and trust that people will get their goals achieved. When it works its called team work, when it fails its called tunnel vision.
This is the best post ever. I'd activate my normal flame mode but... damn dude. lol
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Draco Pel
Iteration-X
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: DeadWeight
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The interview seems to prove once again that Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
The river is called the "Nile" or the "River Nile". Please get it right and stop perpuating this lame phrase. There is no river in Egypt called "Denial". You seem like an educated person DS, please act like one.
The phrase in english "The Nile isn't just a river in Egypt" stems from the fact that when you say "The Nile" quickly it sounds like denial. Get it yet? It may not translate well into text on an international forum (insert tech2 sense of humor needed here type remark here).
As for the interview, when privateers were asked their ten questions the next patch nerfed them back to the stone age, looks like Wednesday's patch is going to nerf D2 in some way 
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Ralara
Caldari
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:17:00 -
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linky?
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Corvus Belli
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:21:00 -
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Jotan
Am not completely clueless but like to think am not trolling either. Call it being slightly contentious to hopefully spark debate......
Am interested in your reply however. I can understand BoB paying some people to fight - makes sense to subsidise good PvP corps / or alliance so they are fighting full time. I was not aware however that other alliances paid BoB? What for exactly? Is it a staight forward 'give us Tribute and do what we say and we will not kick you in the goolies' kind of deal? Or is there more of a quid pro quo going on?
As for the rest of the interview - would agree that it was not journalism of the highest order. Also agree that the D2 chappie was far to evasive. He would have been far better to have leveled and said 'yup, we gave it a good ***** invading BoB space and took a bit of a kicking. With the support of our allies and our massive industrial background we will match BoB if they try and come at us' sort of thing.
Or more in character if he had prefered.
As for the people that asked what my original point was. Publishing this interview just seems to be part of an effort to normalise the anti BoB war - or more specifically the back ground reasons for it.
Ah, as someone implied, maybe I am just paranoid, now where is my tn foil hat.......
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Ralara
Caldari
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:44:00 -
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anyone got a link?
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Ralara
Caldari
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:47:00 -
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Ah I found it.
Quote:
IC: How does the loss of 3 corporations and a titan affect your ability to fight in this war?
D2: There is a war?
http://myeve.eve-online.com/mb/news.asp?nid=1456
Well no wonder they are losing then. 
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Invidious Malinigvious
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Belli
Jotan
Am not completely clueless but like to think am not trolling either. Call it being slightly contentious to hopefully spark debate......
Am interested in your reply however. I can understand BoB paying some people to fight - makes sense to subsidise good PvP corps / or alliance so they are fighting full time. I was not aware however that other alliances paid BoB? What for exactly? Is it a staight forward 'give us Tribute and do what we say and we will not kick you in the goolies' kind of deal? Or is there more of a quid pro quo going on?
As for the rest of the interview - would agree that it was not journalism of the highest order. Also agree that the D2 chappie was far to evasive. He would have been far better to have leveled and said 'yup, we gave it a good ***** invading BoB space and took a bit of a kicking. With the support of our allies and our massive industrial background we will match BoB if they try and come at us' sort of thing.
Or more in character if he had prefered.
As for the people that asked what my original point was. Publishing this interview just seems to be part of an effort to normalise the anti BoB war - or more specifically the back ground reasons for it.
Ah, as someone implied, maybe I am just paranoid, now where is my tn foil hat.......
lol
If you think the t2 bpo fiasco had anything to do with d2 kicking off a war with bob you are foolish. D2 may have used that as an excuse to get their alliance to stop killing gurista's 23-7. The reason they invaded fountain (lol) is because BOB went announced they were going to go fight ra/goon far from fountain/delve.
D2's failure has been quite remarkable.
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Jotan Veer
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2007.05.21 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Belli
From the context, I am assuming when they said 'The Alliance' they meant BoB and pets, but am not sure, can someone confirm this for me?
Quote:
Am interested in your reply however. I can understand BoB paying some people to fight - makes sense to subsidise good PvP corps / or alliance so they are fighting full time. I was not aware however that other alliances paid BoB? What for exactly? Is it a staight forward 'give us Tribute and do what we say and we will not kick you in the goolies' kind of deal? Or is there more of a quid pro quo going on?
Maybe our definition of 'pet' differs somewhat. I define pet as someone who pays rent in contrast of an ally who does not pay rent but follows the same/similar standings list.
Thus your 'Bob and pets = alliance?' implication is what I'm disagreeing with.
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Your Name
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Posted - 2007.05.21 22:24:00 -
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I believe the purpose of these interviews is to give the game a feel of something more then 'I want to shoot things'. It has nothing to do with the 2% of Eve that reads or posts to the Eve forums.
The questions must be asked and answered as if the game is real life. And if you have ever heard a real life politican speak about being on the down and out, thats about what it would sound like.
D2 has taken a beating lately, to directly deny it would make him sound like an idiot. To admit it would cause internal morale problems. There is no easy solution.
So, in a way, the article does give the game a real world flavor if you know whats going on.
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DaHeaVYFo
DEATH'S LEGION
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.05.21 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ethan Hunte
the interview is ********, he doesn't answer any of the questions asked at all.
just weird gibberish that doesn't make sense.
Politics, run away from them.
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Keorythe
Caldari
Terra Rosa Militia
North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.05.21 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Belli
From the context, I am assuming when they said 'The Alliance' they meant BoB and pets, but am not sure, can someone confirm this for me?
BoB "pets"? Why is it that anyone associated with BoB are pets. Goonswarm is a pet for RA then. D2 can be considered a pet of RA. Try your own reasoning for on other groups/alliances and you'll paint an ugly picture.
Originally by: Corvus Belli
Dosn't make me feel as quesy as the news story that promised to give the reasons for the anti BoB war, it claimed there was fear of BoBs expansionist polices rather than the true reason of general revulsion at how BoB as an alliance was supported by developers. It does however seem an example of an attempt to re write (Eve) history.
Its already been confirmed that there are dev's in the anti-BoB coalition. There has been no proof that neither BoB nor its enemies have been "supported" by devs. And I'm surprised that people are still trying to beat on this dead horse to this day. Can't you think of something a bit more...I don't know, original?
The t20 incident was a flook that had little bearing on any war. There have been numerous threads on that already. Well at least it weeded out some of the burnt out folks that were just taking up space in the game. Did anyone get there stuff btw?
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.21 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Belli
I can understand BoB paying some people to fight - makes sense to subsidise good PvP corps / or alliance so they are fighting full time. I was not aware however that other alliances paid BoB? What for exactly? Is it a staight forward 'give us Tribute and do what we say and we will not kick you in the goolies' kind of deal? Or is there more of a quid pro quo going on?
Some of the people who live in our space pay rent.
This gives them a home in 0.0 with access to good resources, little responsibility, and the knowledge that when BoB appear in local their ships will not kersplode in their faces.
Many of the organisation in our space do not pay rent. Their contribution is made in a military manner. They police the area where they reside, rather than donating ISK.
Both groups are generally clubbed together under the term "pets", which we quite like, but our enemies think is some sort of terrible insult. Personally I love pets, especially my two cats. I guess our enemies just aren't cat people, and hate pets in general.
BoB are often questioned over their pets, and it is often claimed that our pets do not deserve access to 0.0 space. These are the same people who claim that BoB is an evil overlord, trying to keep people out of 0.0 space. There seems to be a slight paradox here, but we are used to it. Sometimes the foam dripping from the rabid mouths of our foes tends to obscure their message. Oh well.
These are the same pets that are now kicking the coalition out of their space .. which is kinda ironic. Must suck to be made homeless by people who don't even deserve to be in 0.0
As to the interview, I think it is news-worthy. The fact that it is complete rubbish tells us just as much about the subject as good answers would have.
Personally I would have gone for a somewhat more factual approach myself. Still, there is something warm and fuzzy about a delusional loser, so maybe it is a PR coup .. but probably not.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.05.21 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Draco Pel
The phrase in english "The Nile isn't just a river in Egypt" stems from the fact that when you say "The Nile" quickly it sounds like denial. Get it yet? It may not translate well into text on an international forum (insert tech2 sense of humor needed here type remark here).
he was taking the ****.
unless you're also taking the ****, making me look a bit of a mong. oh god. it's all so confusing. 
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Corvus Belli
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Posted - 2007.05.21 22:56:00 -
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The way BoB space is organised is not the orignal point of my first post but is interesting.
So Avon, the deal is BoB is the primary alliance that claims 'overlordship' of a large swath of space yes? It then rents out parts of this space to other alliances - either for payment in kind (military service) or straight up cash.
Also as part of this deal is that the 'client' alliances (pets being the usual derogatory term) are not allowed there own foriegn policy yes?
Sounds quite similar to the Roman Empire in the Late Republic - for any history buffs out there.
I suppose my next question would be for those client alliances that pay to rent space. Is what you get from the deal worth the lack of autonomy? I mean, from my point of view in this game (or any other) I would prefer fighting and being defeated rather than a 'do what you are told' deal.
Although I can see that this is probably not how the client alliances see it.
Annyone from a client alliance care to explain how they see the deal?
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.21 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 21/05/2007 22:55:06
Originally by: Verone
However, that said, the interview appeared to me to be presented in character, and there really are no ways in character to describe "The Blueprint Incident" and the ongoing discussion that was the catalyst for the war.
Its easy actually, CCP runs the game, Concord runs the universe, hence CONCORD would have given Bob access to technology they where given by the 4 empires, an obvious abuse of power as CONCORD is supposed to be neutral.
Anyway, they could have just skipped the start or reason behind the war and actually discussed the war in its current state, if Janus didn't want to comment on the war in a serious manner then im sure some other D2 CEO or pilot would have been willing to comment.
Since Janus didn't even bother to answer the questions in a remotely serious manner the news item shouldn't have been published at all to be honest, its actually the worst one I've ever seen posted on there. (Unless of course Janus Drake was roleplaying a junkie, in which case the interview is fairly accurate, but i find that unlikely)
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Exortius Amarrus
The Clearwater Society
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.21 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: DeadWeight
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The interview seems to prove once again that Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
The river is called the "Nile" or the "River Nile". Please get it right and stop perpuating this lame phrase. There is no river in Egypt called "Denial". You seem like an educated person DS, please act like one.
I'm laughing so hard, I almost choked on a pork chop.
Wow,
Just...
Wow.
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