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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.07 20:54:00 -
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No personal comment from myself, officially or unofficially. I am simply pointing out the news
I wasn't aware that m0o were having such a dramatic impact on the FIX region (querious or whatever its called now)? Or is everybody just off running mission in empire space?
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.01.07 20:56:00 -
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victory!
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.01.07 20:57:00 -
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"We brake for nobody"
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.01.07 21:08:00 -
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HAAAAAAAARRR!
Sass
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0verkill
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Posted - 2004.01.07 21:09:00 -
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0verkill
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean we aren't out to get you.
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Femme Fatal
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Posted - 2004.01.07 21:20:00 -
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HAAAAAAAARRR!
Thats my line 
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Ezra
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Posted - 2004.01.07 21:21:00 -
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No personal comment from myself, officially or unofficially. I am simply pointing out the news
I wasn't aware that m0o were having such a dramatic impact on the FIX region (querious or whatever its called now)? Or is everybody just off running mission in empire space?
I hope that if CFS wants to close off the region, they have the muscle to back it up.
If you think m0o and friends are problems, just wait until all the alliance-haters come down for a piece of the action.
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Ezra Cornell
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Keith Merim
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Posted - 2004.01.07 21:41:00 -
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A quote from the news article...
"Protection requires time, hardware and manpower, all of which are precious resources in the unending struggle against the more nefarious citizenry of EVE"
Nefarious?!!? Infamous, Yes, notorious, maybe, but me thinks he's gone to far! 
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.01.07 22:16:00 -
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You know its funny:
Read cfs general forum (one avaiable to the public) they are like:
"WE ARE PWNINGS M0o ALL M0os ARE PWNEDz!"
Then u go to the military forum (not avaiable to the public) and they are all like:
"WTF IS GOING ON WTF IS THE NAVY DOING"
Then u go to the senators forum and they are like:
"WE ARE IN TROUBLE NEED MORE SHIPS AND MONEY PLS HELP"
I would post the rest of Yoda's stuff but its mostly drivel, the guy is all talk never fight, cfs has some good pvpers sadly their leaders are not among them...
BTW CFS are pirates not us, lassy told me so its ok for us to 'work' there...
PWN PWN CHICKEN!
Stav
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John Zeppe
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Posted - 2004.01.07 22:35:00 -
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lol
So if they can't keep m0o out, they are also gonna keep EVERYONE else PLUS m0o out...
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Stained
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Posted - 2004.01.07 22:46:00 -
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Ha.....ha ha ha......ha ...............Ha!
HAHAHAHAHA!
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Hair is Over-rated.
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Ends
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Posted - 2004.01.07 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Ends on 07/01/2004 23:03:48
Edited by: Ends on 07/01/2004 23:01:44
I am the person who wrote both the old free space bill and this one. I don't appriciate you hacking our private boards either. We'll keep this simple.
The CFS needs to survive, it can't right now. mOo are in fact walking all over us because we can't fund our navy. We can't keep our space lanes open in our current state of govt. Its that simple. Everyone runs for the hills when its time to fight, this can't continue. I wanted to keep space open so passionatly, I have fought SO hard to keep it open for all. The people that want to live in our area simply don't have any sence of responsiblity to our area. When trouble comes they run for the hills. We can't do that any more. We have to have a REASON for poeple to join the CFS. We have to have a way to FUND our navy. 80% of the local poplulation that would passionaly defend the right to mine there wouldn't lift a finger to fight. The 10% that do fight consitently are crusader/heros but there are not enough of them. They have blow up their BS and are fighting mOo in frigates, its not working.
We are going to start selling passes. At this point we don't intend to shut down mining to others. What I am shooting for is for all lawful players in corps to be able to buy mining passes, either for the whole corp or for a day or for individuals. Of course joining the CFS is not really hard to do. You'd do far better to merely join up. Also at this point we are not looking at closing out other alliances but we will charge a fee for mining and fighting. I hope the community can understand. The CFS is not able to fight well enough to survive right now, and its because nobody has any reason to have responsiblity toward the region. We can't survive without this change. I am sorry. I promise the community this decision was far harder for me than you may know.
Senator Ends.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:02:00 -
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No hacking took place, sadly not all of your high ranking members are satisifed with your leadership...
And for a corp such as ourselves, the information was rather cheap.
I must say some of the stuff I was forwarded from your boards gave us hours of giggles...
'gm alts' indeed :P
Your alliance will burn, anarachy will prevail ¼_¼
Have a nice day...
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Ends
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:08:00 -
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People of good will are stronger than you Stavros, we have conviction and pride. Your urge to statify your next simple lust won't stand up to us in the long run. We will fight. We will prevail.
Also I'd like to thank mOo for teaching this alliance to become strong, as you have with so many others you tempered until they drove you out.
Ends.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:10:00 -
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We have never been driven out of anyway, we simply seek to kill, we are at rest in cfs now because it enables us to build up our forces.
This is the real world btw not cartoons, just because u think your are the good guys don't get you jack, cept dead ¼_¼
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:15:00 -
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Interesting...
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Negotiator on 07/01/2004 23:54:55
Could some plz tell me how CFS plans on preventing others from accessing their space if their military is in deep poo? The only person that deserves real respect in CFS is Fedayken Naib, even tho he is kinda bad at PvP 0_o... DigitalCommie is cool too. Everyone else has been broken by our military and our propaganda machine. CFS was a great training ground for returning m0o members and the corporation is as strong as ever after this glorious victory.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 08/01/2004 00:15:38
Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 08/01/2004 00:11:07
yay! \o/
edit from my original post:
changed my mind, this bites!
you're hurting more non-cfs than cfs.. instead of forcing the slackers that don't do anything to actually do something, you wanna close off space in a desperate attempt to get more isk.
newsflash, those that don't do anything in cfs right now STILL won't do anything even if this is implemented. So instead, you wanna TOLL the majority of people that HELP you on a daily basis to break up m0o blockades? potentially keeping them OUT of the area and thus diminishing your strength? PFF! I say..
I'm sorry but negotiator is right in the post under this one, if you change the very principles by which you stand for they have totally crushed you, and this is far worse than publicly admitting defeat.. any respect that you had from the "good guys" for trying to keep space OPEN and be the "lawful types" will be totally gone..
The only reason I chose to help out is because I like pvp, and I sympathize with good guys.. omg im gonna be so ****ed off if this turns into another FA/Stain/NVA/CA type alliance
I for one will NOT be paying any tolls any time soon, good luck trying to keep me out, an angry communist is far worse than any pirating cow >:/
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: Negotiator on 07/01/2004 23:54:55
Could some plz tell me how CFS plans on preventing others from accessing their space if their military is in deep poo? The only person that deserves real respect in CFS is Fedayken Naib, even tho he is kinda bad at PvP 0_o... DigitalCommie is cool too. Everyone else has been broken by our military and our propaganda machine. CFS was a great training ground for returning m0o members and the corporation is as strong as ever after this glorious victory.
Propoganda bull
It will be a victory when there is no more CFS you may have one the battle but not the war.
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.01.08 00:02:00 -
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Edited by: Negotiator on 08/01/2004 00:02:55
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Propoganda bull
It will be a victory when there is no more CFS you may have one the battle but not the war.
Thats the point of this thread. There is no more CFS. We have destroyed what u stood for, we changed your alliance as we saw fit. When we came to FIX, A2 was one of the busiest chokepoints on the map, Gehi was the biggest center of production and business in the South. Everything is gone now. CFS lost. All we need now is your OFFICIAL surrender to [m0o] corp. Then we will leave.
P.S
Digi, i meant to say you ;) Dunno why i said Dreamworks...i still dont like him :P
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.01.08 00:02:00 -
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The victory comes when, for the majority of the time you are unable to enforce your alliance rules and are unable to offer a satisfactory response to our repeated occupation of your space and our destruction of your people.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.08 00:10:00 -
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The victory comes when, for the majority of the time you are unable to enforce your alliance rules and are unable to offer a satisfactory response to our repeated occupation of your space and our destruction of your people.
Listen until things settle after castor you can talk talk talk all you want. We'll see where we are all at in a month or 2.
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.08 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: Negotiator on 08/01/2004 00:02:55
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Propoganda bull
It will be a victory when there is no more CFS you may have one the battle but not the war.
Thats the point of this thread. There is no more CFS. We have destroyed what u stood for, we changed your alliance as we saw fit. When we came to FIX, A2 was one of the busiest chokepoints on the map, Gehi was the biggest center of production and business in the South. Everything is gone now. CFS lost. All we need now is your OFFICIAL surrender to [m0o] corp. Then we will leave.
P.S
Digi, i meant to say you ;) Dunno why i said Dreamworks...i still dont like him :P
Your talking our your pooti
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.01.08 00:30:00 -
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never seen you fight...are you one of those that are hiding behind the navy?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 00:32:00 -
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I am the person who wrote both the old free space bill and this one. I don't appriciate you hacking our private boards either. We'll keep this simple.
The CFS needs to survive, it can't right now. mOo are in fact walking all over us because we can't fund our navy. We can't keep our space lanes open in our current state of govt. Its that simple. Everyone runs for the hills when its time to fight, this can't continue. I wanted to keep space open so passionatly, I have fought SO hard to keep it open for all. The people that want to live in our area simply don't have any sence of responsiblity to our area. When trouble comes they run for the hills. We can't do that any more. We have to have a REASON for poeple to join the CFS. We have to have a way to FUND our navy. 80% of the local poplulation that would passionaly defend the right to mine there wouldn't lift a finger to fight. The 10% that do fight consitently are crusader/heros but there are not enough of them. They have blow up their BS and are fighting mOo in frigates, its not working.
We are going to start selling passes. At this point we don't intend to shut down mining to others. What I am shooting for is for all lawful players in corps to be able to buy mining passes, either for the whole corp or for a day or for individuals. Of course joining the CFS is not really hard to do. You'd do far better to merely join up. Also at this point we are not looking at closing out other alliances but we will charge a fee for mining and fighting. I hope the community can understand. The CFS is not able to fight well enough to survive right now, and its because nobody has any reason to have responsiblity toward the region. We can't survive without this change. I am sorry. I promise the community this decision was far harder for me than you may know.
Senator Ends.
Predicted this a long time ago - I beleive the CFS self-righteous brigade told me to foxtrot oscar as it would never happen.
Unfortunately Ends the proposed Bill is fatally flawed as it openly recognises a CFS inability to enforce any tolls, run checks on activity or provide anything for said "tolls".
m0o, on the other hand, can be paid a toll to gain passage and then do what the hell you like.
Im intrigued how anybody can think it a "good idea" to pay an Alliance money to build a navy which, if it were succesful, would then lock the selfsame toll-payers out of access, building mobiles or placing stations?
As to the entire thing being a "Et tu Ends?" moment for the true believers in what the CFS claimed it stood for... well that goes without saying. Poor Percy must be quaking with rage at the sheer duplicity of it.
Menawhile all those other alliances the CFS hierarchy liked to***** a snoop at.. well who is laughing now?
Did you not think that there was a surefire way you could remove m0o and other blockaders without sacrificing every single last shred of your moral position... I know I can think of half a dozen ways.
You are openly saying you don't conrol the area anymore... beyond that any issue of "tolls" is redundant talk. Quite simply put this very Bill provides the nail in the coffin..it should never have been conceived and Im aghast none of your "thinkers" could forsee its public consequences or that of course you would have outraged members who would leak it (no need to hack what is freely given Ends) to anybody and everybody.
(The above is my personal opinion and in no way an official stance or opinion of my corporation or alliance.)
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.08 00:35:00 -
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never seen you fight...are you one of those that are hiding behind the navy?
Have before will again.
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 00:38:00 -
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never seen you fight...are you one of those that are hiding behind the navy?
Have before will again.
Tal
Erm - you're currently, and have been for the last 10 days or so, been running agent missions in Empire space.
One of our corpies is based out of the same station you operate your megathron from.... isnt it ironic that the CFSN is fighting in frigates and you're doing missions in a Megathron?
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.08 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 08/01/2004 00:45:28
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never seen you fight...are you one of those that are hiding behind the navy?
Have before will again.
Tal
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Erm - you're currently, and have been for the last 10 days or so, been running agent missions in Empire space.
One of our corpies is based out of the same station you operate your megathron from.... isnt it ironic that the CFSN is fighting in frigates and you're doing missions in a Megathron?
Erm yeah so you stalkin me. Yeah isnt ironic that members of the EF "Partners" to the CFS are doing missions in the same station in a Tempest instead of down fighting MOO. 10 days right and before that ? Your talkin out your ass Morkt as usual.
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.01.08 00:45:00 -
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As stated, it's not very good to accuse anyone for hacking it.
There are spies in almost all big corps. But the very structure of CFS means it's useless to place spies there, cause there will always be members who disagree and leak things.
It appears to me that the whole CFS is build upon the assumption that since there are no stations in FIX no really strong corps would have any interest of it. And that will certainly change once player owned structures are introduced.
Sad but true, such a democracy as CFS tried to be will most likely never work in EVE.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.01.08 00:55:00 -
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Erm yeah so you stalkin me. Yeah isnt ironic that members of the EF "Partners" to the CFS are doing missions in the same station in a Tempest instead of down fighting MOO. 10 days right and before that ? Your talkin out your ass Morkt as usual.
Isnt it ironic that a CFS MEMBER is accusing a businesman that has nothing to do with PvP afaik, sorry Morkt if im wrong, that he is not coming down and fighting for your crappy cause, because you did not have the brains to set up a strong alliance. XOXO.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.01.08 00:58:00 -
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I haven't seen talon before this forum post.. and I've participated in a good few skirmishes ever since m0o came.. 
But thats not the point.
Discussion is about this bill, and frankly it makes me sick.
The ONLY reason my corporation came down here is because CFS claimed to be a peaceful alliance that did not interfere in the actions of other corporations or alliances in the area, so long as they agreed not to pirate or restrict space travel. Well uhm I'm a pirate-hunter, and if any CFS guy tries to scramble me and ask for money, that is piracy in my book. It won't be pretty if someone tries to take shots at me :/
This is the kind of stuff that shatters alliances, and it began with the deployables bill. I'm told that if I don't wanna join CFS and "keep space free" then I have no right to use it as my permanent home even though I may be helping to keep said space free. I find that ridiculous since I've seen more non-CFS people out there keeping CFS guys safe and yet they haven't earned the right to build stations.. Now you're saying, not only can't I make this a permanent home for me and my corporation, you're saying we have to PAY to go about our lawful activities, else our space travel will be restricted?
How on earth did this even get past the "conceptual ideas" phase?
I'm not trying to be negative, but this idea/bill is so disillusioned it's going to go to the doctor for some prescription pills any minute now
Take FA for example, they toll people to hunt there. Difference? They are a region-claiming alliance, and they have the force to back up their claim. People pay 1mil a day to hunt there, and at least they get to feel safe from pirate activity. Why on earth would anyone pay the CFS toll money to access a proclaimed "free" region, which is rampant with pirates atm, and not even get proper protection in return?
If I'm correct, this bill actually conflicts with a recent one that says "anyone caught paying tolls to gain access to 'closed' space is immediateley KOS by the CFS" .. does this mean if we pay you, you put us on KOS, and if we don't, you put us on KOS?
omg, there is like so many ways to bash this idea its not even funny..
how about CFS learns from its mistakes, gets its member corporations into gear and actually fights m0o?
I'm gonna just stop right here on this subject, you have and will(?) get millions of isk from me in generous support for a good cause, but you won't get 0.01 isk (gotta love the market changes) to enter your space, good day! 
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"Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf |
Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:02:00 -
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CFS still has several ways out - one is to pay us weekly (and we all know that they will pay until they feel they can protect their space again, and we will come and bash all the silly ideas out of them) or they can publicly announce their defeat...
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:04:00 -
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 08/01/2004 01:15:54
Funny Digital I seen you in the FIX a few times.
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Ends
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:08:00 -
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I really should say here that I can't imagine charging people like digital communist a toll to enter our space. I don't think that is the way its going to work lol. We have a lot of people who have been helping out and there is no way I can see charging them to enter. We'll work it out, it'll be fair.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:17:00 -
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I really should say here that I can't imagine charging people like digital communist a toll to enter our space. I don't think that is the way its going to work lol. We have a lot of people who have been helping out and there is no way I can see charging them to enter. We'll work it out, it'll be fair.
ROFLMAO
NICE start Ends... publically admit exceptions to rules based on nepotism or favouritism with Senators.
Oh yeah - now thats SURE going to instill confidence.
Do you really not see how much this entire bill is hurting your cause?
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:19:00 -
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I really should say here that I can't imagine charging people like digital communist a toll to enter our space. I don't think that is the way its going to work lol. We have a lot of people who have been helping out and there is no way I can see charging them to enter. We'll work it out, it'll be fair.
Ty for the gesture, but charging anyone is still piracy, you know.. the thing m0o is trying to do to CFS right now? charge money? extort isk?
If anyone was intent on paying in the first place, they'd pay m0o because they're obviously more on top of things.. why give isk to the losing side?
Face it, no one is getting paid! Not m0o, not CFS, not your grandmother..
Only two courses of action is admit defeat or push them out of your territory. Anything else is 'alliance suicide'.
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Fargas
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:34:00 -
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Edited by: Fargas on 08/01/2004 01:39:18
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 08/01/2004 00:45:28
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never seen you fight...are you one of those that are hiding behind the navy?
Have before will again.
Tal
A
Erm - you're currently, and have been for the last 10 days or so, been running agent missions in Empire space.
One of our corpies is based out of the same station you operate your megathron from.... isnt it ironic that the CFSN is fighting in frigates and you're doing missions in a Megathron?
Erm yeah so you stalkin me. Yeah isnt ironic that members of the EF "Partners" to the CFS are doing missions in the same station in a Tempest instead of down fighting MOO. 10 days right and before that ? Your talkin out your ass Morkt as usual.
Tal
Let me in on the deal we have that EF "Partners" ie all corporations of EF, should fight CFS wars? I surely do missed that deal with the CFS. We stood up and fought with CFS and CFSN in the beginning. That's when we racked up corpses of the CoW/m0o invasion. Then all of a sudden you just didn't show up and we did surely not wanna lose ships in your war so we withdrew as well.
Now you're trying to blame us for not standing put to your cause? Gimme a break please. And I didn't see you either down those days I were fighting CoW/m0o. Not forgetting the fact that I was in charge of CFSN when either your leading CFSN staff or Yodaron was unable to lead them. Ain't it ironic that you give fleet command to a pilot that's not even MEMBER of the CFS? Still you putting blame on us not fighting?
If we're gonna discuss this issue, I have several nice chatlogs to drag information from what you in CFS did and didn't wanted to do. I have information from your boards, roughly the same info m0o has, and that shows another view. Are we gonna pull all that into this discussion or will you just concede and state that you didn't had the guts to fight m0o?
I honor all those few pilots standing up against m0o over and over again. They are the heroes in this fight.
The above is reason enough for me to run missions in order to acquire Tech2 for the corp and federation I'm a member of.
(Edit: And this is my personal view. Not anyone elses.)
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:41:00 -
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CFS you should publicly admit you have lost this war, or you should pay us isk to the tune of 2 billion. And we will leave..
Any comments from Yodaron would be appreciated
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:42:00 -
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Erm yeah so you stalkin me. Yeah isnt ironic that members of the EF "Partners" to the CFS are doing missions in the same station in a Tempest instead of down fighting MOO. 10 days right and before that ? Your talkin out your ass Morkt as usual.
Hey Talon, - dont try to deflect your own sense of shame and guilt onto others. You know fully well that you ignored your presidents call for help and abandoned your alliance to go profiteer off agent running, safe in your battleship inside empire space.
DOnt try to asuage your own sense of guilt and betrayal by castigating other corporations or allainces that arent the ones who claim doinance over hundreds of star system to the exclusion of all others.
How does that saying go..
ah yes
"what goes around, comes around".
Oh how sweet that sounds...
Morsus mihi.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:45:00 -
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CFS you should publicly admit you have lost this war, or you should pay us isk to the tune of 2 billion. And we will leave..
Any comments from Yodaron would be appreciated
Dont push the pouint Zap.
The Bill itslef is open admission that they have lost - that they are now also trying to have EVE Guardian remove the story under claims it was "obtained illegally" just compounds the CFS issues.
Not only do they abandon "Free Space" this today but it seems "Free Speech" has gone also.
How about the CFS show us all some proof of all this "illegal hacking" .. or are they just blowing smoke.. odd how far such a righteous group have fallen in such a short time.
Yodaron - get a grip of your people please.
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:52:00 -
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I just want to hear some words from Yodaron. When I first proposed they pay us to leave he said he'd pay me 1 isk and we'd be pushed out of JK-FIX/Querious soon enough. oh how I want him to eat those words...
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 02:07:00 -
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I just want to hear some words from Yodaron. When I first proposed they pay us to leave he said he'd pay me 1 isk and we'd be pushed out of JK-FIX/Querious soon enough. oh how I want him to eat those words...
I doubt he is even up too speed on the issues yet Zap, most of them are on t'other side of the Pond and with the chaotic nature of the CFS (and thier infamously bad communications) the leaking of that bill may not even be known by him yet.
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.01.08 02:12:00 -
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Well it will be a nice suprise when he logs on
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The Reverend
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Posted - 2004.01.08 02:56:00 -
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LOL - just waiting for the surrender to m0o to be put into the right words.
m0ovie links |
Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.01.08 03:21:00 -
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Well, to be honest, Yodaron is a bad president for not making the right calls. I would have handled things differently if i were him, and i could deal with this situation without such publicity...Sorry Yoda, you might be a good businesman/worker in RL, but ur realy bad at this whole presidency thing
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2004.01.08 03:35:00 -
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This is a truly sad day. I had hoped that the CFS was beyond the petty space-grabbing greediness that so many of the other regional alliances succumbed to. Apparently this was not meant to be. It is especially sad because MUC members have spilled blood along side members of the CFS Navy, because we believed in their desire to keep space free for all. Considering the ammount of requests I've received for MUC to join the CFS, our help must have meant something at least at some point. From the moment this "bill" comes to pass, any help for the CFS from Mining Unlimited will cease, be it financially or militarily. Furthermore, Mining Unlimited Corp has assets in the area, and a vested interest in those assets that we will defend if necessary. Mining Unlimited remains commited to peaceful commerce, so we will of course be open to discussions with any member corps of the CFS about a non agression pact.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.01.08 03:36:00 -
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Well, to be honest, Yodaron is a bad president for not making the right calls. I would have handled things differently if i were him, and i could deal with this situation without such publicity...Sorry Yoda, you might be a good businesman/worker in RL, but ur realy bad at this whole presidency thing
I disagree,
he would have been a "bad president" had he proclaimed defeat right off the bat and decided to pay m0o 1bil isk.. so many people would be at his throat for that.. and not to mention no one would give him said 1bil isk
he also would have been a "bad president" if he proclaimed defeat and gave up hope
he also would be a "bad president" if he just ditched everyone in the middle of a crisis
he also would be a "bad president" if he pretended like there isn't anything going on, or proclaiming victory all over the forums
but alas he did none of those things, he clearly admits the CFS is in trouble, and he is still willing to fight for a way out that doesn't involve paying off m0o
that's about as good as it can get in his position.. a lot of people aren't happy about the whole CFS thing, so they look to the man that's supposedly in charge of the whole bit and place the blame on his shoulders for their inequities..
sucks to be a figure head imo
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2004.01.08 03:40:00 -
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The ONLY reason my corporation came down here is because CFS claimed to be a peaceful alliance that did not interfere in the actions of other corporations or alliances in the area, so long as they agreed not to pirate or restrict space travel. Well uhm I'm a pirate-hunter, and if any CFS guy tries to scramble me and ask for money, that is piracy in my book. It won't be pretty if someone tries to take shots at me :/
This is the kind of stuff that shatters alliances, and it began with the deployables bill. I'm told that if I don't wanna join CFS and "keep space free" then I have no right to use it as my permanent home even though I may be helping to keep said space free. I find that ridiculous since I've seen more non-CFS people out there keeping CFS guys safe and yet they haven't earned the right to build stations.. Now you're saying, not only can't I make this a permanent home for me and my corporation, you're saying we have to PAY to go about our lawful activities, else our space travel will be restricted?
Couldnt have said it better myself...in fact MUC members are some of those non-CFS types that have been there "helping to keep space free". That will soon be ending though apparently.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.01.08 03:45:00 -
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Very true, I've seen a few MUC get involved, nice guys. Free space isn't an ideology that only CFS believe in.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 04:17:00 -
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They could and should have approached the entire affair differently.
Their inherent prolbem, which this bill clearly will never begin to deal with though, is that their current membership either does not exist or does not care to protect what it claims.
Yet it is those self-same non-participating corporation members who are voting on the future bills.
This bill completley ignores the members who have deliberately avoided battling for what their alliance claims and shucks the responsibility for funding a self-sufficient Navy onto third-party corporations and freelancers who can never have a stake in the area.
It is blindingly obvious to all those outside the CFS why the shirkers will vote to charge others what they themselves cannot be bothered to either fund or participate in.
Look at a list of combat participants of a regular basis against m0o, then look at who has been resident at empire space and is now likely to vote to support this Bill.
That says everything that needs to be said about these people:
They want it all (still) but they want if for "no effort" and "no obligation". CFS claim one of the largest areas of space in the galaxy and whilst that entire area was "free" access they had a leg to stand on.
Now that it is now CFS pure territorial ownership with so many restrictions and toll access... well, excuse me but..
just who the hell do the CFS think they are to claim such a huge region for themselves? because one thing is for certain - they cannot defend it against m0o and they will have to defend it against many many other corproations if they think such a small political entity is going to hold say over hundreds and hundreds of star systems.
Aint going to happen - CFS either protect that area "in trust" for oepn access or they stand upa nd fight for it on their own bat...
which, as we have seen clearly, they cannot do.
The end result?
"There is no such thing as CFS Space anymore."
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.01.08 04:43:00 -
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Well said morky!
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Ezra
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Posted - 2004.01.08 04:54:00 -
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Edited by: Ezra on 08/01/2004 04:56:56
Edited by: Ezra on 08/01/2004 04:55:39
Very well said.
Don't claim what you can't protect.
And honestly, post-Castor there isn't much in CFS worth claiming control of. The nearest systems to Gehi with good ore are 15-25 jumps away MINIMUM. I don't see anyone filling the void left by CFS' imminent implosion.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.01.08 05:12:00 -
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This bill completley ignores the members who have deliberately avoided battling for what their alliance claims and shucks the responsibility for funding a self-sufficient Navy onto third-party corporations and freelancers who can never have a stake in the area.
Damn that put it quite nicely.
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Alexandra Belani
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Posted - 2004.01.08 06:52:00 -
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Is it a possibility that this was a completely fabricated article? Can anyone from CFS Confirm or deny that they are indeed closing their borders?
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.01.08 07:14:00 -
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I can verify its authenticity (if thats how u spell it lols)
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Alexandra Belani
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Posted - 2004.01.08 07:30:00 -
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I can verify its authenticity (if thats how u spell it lols)
hehe yep thats correct. I would still like to hear it from their mouths :)
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 07:41:00 -
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Is it a possibility that this was a completely fabricated article? Can anyone from CFS Confirm or deny that they are indeed closing their borders?
The article information is correct. I was sent an exact copy of the information by a CFS Senator entirely seperately to however EG got it.
You should note that the Bill empowers the CFS to do a lot of things, whether or not they do them, r even pass the bill, is another matter.
having the power to close the borders and impose tolls at whim is not the same as doing so - judging by Ends' posts however it is clearly his desire to do so as soon as possible and thus start funding the rebuilding of the CFSN from external revenues.
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The mere fact that soembody from CFS has openly claimed the information was "hacked" and "obtained illegally" also proves the veracity of the suppplied information.
The part quoting the Senate proposition is thus entirely accurate and already verified... the remainder is merely opinion of the Senator who supplied EG with the informationa nd opinion of the EG reporter (the later of which clearly displays both ends of the story).
Im not sure exactly what else you need/want in terms of "proof" that the story and information is accurate.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.08 08:25:00 -
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Give m0o the pound of pride they want + interest.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Gib Goblin
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Posted - 2004.01.08 08:44:00 -
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Wait until Castor gets fixed and people can mine in 0.0 space with some chance of survival.
Then maybe the cost of ships might drop enough to allow the CFS to rebuild its fleet.
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 08/01/2004 09:06:55
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never seen you fight...are you one of those that are hiding behind the navy?
Have before will again.
Tal
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Erm - you're currently, and have been for the last 10 days or so, been running agent missions in Empire space.
One of our corpies is based out of the same station you operate your megathron from.... isnt it ironic that the CFSN is fighting in frigates and you're doing missions in a Megathron?
Erm yeah so you stalkin me. Yeah isnt ironic that members of the EF "Partners" to the CFS are doing missions in the same station in a Tempest instead of down fighting MOO. 10 days right and before that ? Your talkin out your ass Morkt as usual.
Tal
Let me in on the deal we have that EF "Partners" ie all corporations of EF, should fight CFS wars? I surely do missed that deal with the CFS. We stood up and fought with CFS and CFSN in the beginning. That's when we racked up corpses of the CoW/m0o invasion. Then all of a sudden you just didn't show up and we did surely not wanna lose ships in your war so we withdrew as well.
Now you're trying to blame us for not standing put to your cause? Gimme a break please. And I didn't see you either down those days I were fighting CoW/m0o. Not forgetting the fact that I was in charge of CFSN when either your leading CFSN staff or Yodaron was unable to lead them. Ain't it ironic that you give fleet command to a pilot that's not even MEMBER of the CFS? Still you putting blame on us not fighting?
If we're gonna discuss this issue, I have several nice chatlogs to drag information from what you in CFS did and didn't wanted to do. I have information from your boards, roughly the same info m0o has, and that shows another view. Are we gonna pull all that into this discussion or will you just concede and state that you didn't had the guts to fight m0o?
I honor all those few pilots standing up against m0o over and over again. They are the heroes in this fight.
The above is reason enough for me to run missions in order to acquire Tech2 for the corp and federation I'm a member of.
(Edit: And this is my personal view. Not anyone elses.)
Well Fargas. I did not make any claims I just answered a piece of BS from Spin master Morkt.
I will explain myself this once then will not answer any more of these bs posts. Actions will speak louder than words and we shall see.
I have spent more than my time down in the FIX but like anyone else I need to get my INS, skills and modules they ain't free. My corp has possibly 6 active members now 4 that are regular of which 2 of us regularly help in the FIX. So I say my corp has and will continue to do its bit in the fight, Whether that be donations or combat. I pulled out of the FIX soon after Castor was released as making the cash they way I was wasn't viable and my wallet was empty. I will return in the next day or 2 That you have my word on. Will you be there to help.
As for EF some of you are great some of you ain't. Shame that those that have pulled out can't see something through. I almost get the feeling that some in the EF want the CFS to go down so they can rush in and back up your earlier presidential claims.
My own personal opinion.
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Serge
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Posted - 2004.01.08 09:43:00 -
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Tal - just ignore them. Memories are short and rats only talk crap or blatantly lie .. thats common knowlegde :)
In fact we will continue to own moo! And I need more of them on my personal kill list.
COME GET SOME
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Posted - 2004.01.08 09:52:00 -
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Tal - just ignore them. Memories are short and rats only talk crap or blatantly lie .. thats common knowlegde :)
In fact we will continue to own moo! And I need more of them on my personal kill list.
COME GET SOME
Didnt you see m0o kill list?
And where is your kill list?
Pirates dont need to proof anything to others, they just kill you when they can.
Its up to you to use your guns and try and stop them, not on the forums but in the game.
Show proof that you have been owning m0o or stop posting blatant lies.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.08 09:58:00 -
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Tal - just ignore them. Memories are short and rats only talk crap or blatantly lie .. thats common knowlegde :)
In fact we will continue to own moo! And I need more of them on my personal kill list.
COME GET SOME
Didnt you see m0o kill list?
And where is your kill list?
Pirates dont need to proof anything to others, they just kill you when they can.
Its up to you to use your guns and try and stop them, not on the forums but in the game.
Show proof that you have been owning m0o or stop posting blatant lies.
And you are ? If you havent seen the kill list how can you call him a liar ?
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.01.08 10:24:00 -
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Talon, IVE seen your kill list, its pathetic and mainly full of kills on staineds scout frigates (poor stained he always doing dumb things like chasing torpedoes, the boy is like a dog with a stick :P).
Our kill list >>>>> Your kill list...
OK NEED LSEEP NOW TOO MUCH CAFFINE YES MAUHAUHAUH ITS LIGHT OUTSIDE MUAHUHA SLEEP NOW YESSS>...
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.08 10:35:00 -
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Talon, IVE seen your kill list, its pathetic and mainly full of kills on staineds scout frigates (poor stained he always doing dumb things like chasing torpedoes, the boy is like a dog with a stick :P).
Our kill list >>>>> Your kill list...
OK NEED LSEEP NOW TOO MUCH CAFFINE YES MAUHAUHAUH ITS LIGHT OUTSIDE MUAHUHA SLEEP NOW YESSS>...
Yes I know your Kill list must be impressive. Those Badgers can be mean when cornered 
Cya soon
Tal
P.S Now go get your beauty sleep
What goes around comes around...
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Dracule
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Posted - 2004.01.08 10:54:00 -
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Talon, IVE seen your kill list, its pathetic and mainly full of kills on staineds scout frigates (poor stained he always doing dumb things like chasing torpedoes, the boy is like a dog with a stick :P).
Our kill list >>>>> Your kill list...
OK NEED LSEEP NOW TOO MUCH CAFFINE YES MAUHAUHAUH ITS LIGHT OUTSIDE MUAHUHA SLEEP NOW YESSS>...
Yes I know your Kill list must be impressive. Those Badgers can be mean when cornered
Cya soon
Tal
P.S Now go get your beauty sleep
Didnt see any ships lost by your corp on m0o¦s kill list while corps like CFSN, GENCO, Rough-Necks, JGR Corporation, CFS Navy, End Journey, PIE Inc and NovaTech Enterprises all have lost several Battleships, perhaps your corp only fights on the forums.
Funny how not all of those corps are in CFS but they fight to help you while you hide in Empire space doing agent missions waiting for the big bad pirates to go away.
Talk is cheap, use you guns, at least that will cost.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.01.08 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 08/01/2004 12:20:43
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Talon, IVE seen your kill list, its pathetic and mainly full of kills on staineds scout frigates (poor stained he always doing dumb things like chasing torpedoes, the boy is like a dog with a stick :P).
Our kill list >>>>> Your kill list...
OK NEED LSEEP NOW TOO MUCH CAFFINE YES MAUHAUHAUH ITS LIGHT OUTSIDE MUAHUHA SLEEP NOW YESSS>...
Yes I know your Kill list must be impressive. Those Badgers can be mean when cornered
Cya soon
Tal
P.S Now go get your beauty sleep
Didnt see any ships lost by your corp on m0o¦s kill list while corps like CFSN, GENCO, Rough-Necks, JGR Corporation, CFS Navy, End Journey, PIE Inc and NovaTech Enterprises all have lost several Battleships, perhaps your corp only fights on the forums.
Funny how not all of those corps are in CFS but they fight to help you while you hide in Empire space doing agent missions waiting for the big bad pirates to go away.
Talk is cheap, use you guns, at least that will cost.
Just cause we havent had losses yet im sure they will happen does not mean my corp hasn't been there.
By the way where are you as your right talk is cheap.
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Saladin
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Posted - 2004.01.08 11:24:00 -
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I have to say, even though I fought the CFS at one point in time, I do have nothing but admiration for their core values and what they tried to accomplish.
The people of CFS created their free space bill with the noblest of intentions at their heart. What really set it apart from the rest of the alliances in EvE was the notion of its free space. No other alliance had opened up its 0.0 space to people.
However, failings in game mechanics (the reason I am thinking about quitting) make it very difficult to patrol and effectively hold an area. You can guard a system for hours on end while your enemy is afk in a 'safe spot' and probably busy having lunch, walking the dog, watching a movie....etc.
I fully understand why they would want to limit access to their space. In the end, they ended up defending and protecting people who did not belong to their alliance and did not contribute to its defense. This is what turned a noble idea into a failing gambit.
Best Wishes to the CFS in what they decide in the future.
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Posted - 2004.01.08 11:53:00 -
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Overall Evaluation of this Thread:
Morkt Drak - Instigator against anything organized. Made failed attempt at being an unbiased newswriter in the past, which his personal intentions superceded the media's, it is only expected to see him leaning on someone elses battle to get his share of the destruction others ensue as he is doing right now.
Lord Zap and company merely pressuring and prodding CFS or CFSN to make a hasty move on forums or ingame. Intentions for this can be explained for several reasons. Ego, to gloat, or perhaps to move on to another target(Maybe its been getting boring podding non-combat CFS since CFSN may not be showing up). Other reasons as well, perhaps.
Talon - Certainly not the best Public Relations Representative for the CFS and wondering why he is targeted as he is is a bewilderment to me. You let your emotions ride the forums and you have already let your enemy have influence over you.
Public Relations, Info-gathering, finding unbiased real answers on forums in itself is entirely unreliable and overrated. If you pay attention more to the forums or believe whatever you read than what you see in the game, then you have issues with the forums, not the game or the people playing the game.
Every Organization, Alliance, Function, Group, Relation is going to have its flaws. There will NEVER be something perfect. So, if you want to do something right, get your heads out of the mud and stop believing in dreams.
Acknowledging that there is flaws and that you have a will that is accepting to make compromise with your fellows, then you might have a chance at keeping things together.
There is hope for CFS yet, if you allow room for it over its flaws.
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Sundri Elaption
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Posted - 2004.01.08 14:21:00 -
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Sorry, 2 CFS, closing there claimed space, al doh, it is bit Ironic that Khanid, is not closable what is claimed by CFSN as protecterate zone, (just a small detail).
I have some friends in CFSN and also in CFS, once member of CFS under the corp Phoenix Rising Incorperated, i for saw this happening advantually, in my opion there are not yet "enough" features ingame 2 really open space 2 all, and keep the unwanted out, by not really ingaging in hunting them down, the advantiges, for "invading space other ppls claimed space are greater than protecting it".
And as for CFS, there has been a restructering within, CFS, what i have noticed just when i left my corp, but in my opion not yet enough changes 2 stay in control of claimed 0.0 space.
Best of luck 2 my friends within CFS!
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Posted - 2004.01.08 14:26:00 -
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People of good will are stronger than you Stavros, we have conviction and pride.
he has multiple convictions and Prydeless, does that count?
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Posted - 2004.01.08 15:01:00 -
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Is this the same CFS that called the NVA pirates for wanting a toll to use for defense? Oh yeah SA and FA as well.
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Fairlane
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Posted - 2004.01.08 15:02:00 -
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Victory is ours!
I love the way the CFS aka Classic Freak Society, said we havent done any dmg to their alliance and now all of the sudden they are ... dead... haha GO CFS GO! 
Wallhack... aimbot... You name it!!!
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Posted - 2004.01.08 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 08/01/2004 09:06:55
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never seen you fight...are you one of those that are hiding behind the navy?
Have before will again.
Tal
A
Erm - you're currently, and have been for the last 10 days or so, been running agent missions in Empire space.
One of our corpies is based out of the same station you operate your megathron from.... isnt it ironic that the CFSN is fighting in frigates and you're doing missions in a Megathron?
Erm yeah so you stalkin me. Yeah isnt ironic that members of the EF "Partners" to the CFS are doing missions in the same station in a Tempest instead of down fighting MOO. 10 days right and before that ? Your talkin out your ass Morkt as usual.
Tal
Let me in on the deal we have that EF "Partners" ie all corporations of EF, should fight CFS wars? I surely do missed that deal with the CFS. We stood up and fought with CFS and CFSN in the beginning. That's when we racked up corpses of the CoW/m0o invasion. Then all of a sudden you just didn't show up and we did surely not wanna lose ships in your war so we withdrew as well.
Now you're trying to blame us for not standing put to your cause? Gimme a break please. And I didn't see you either down those days I were fighting CoW/m0o. Not forgetting the fact that I was in charge of CFSN when either your leading CFSN staff or Yodaron was unable to lead them. Ain't it ironic that you give fleet command to a pilot that's not even MEMBER of the CFS? Still you putting blame on us not fighting?
If we're gonna discuss this issue, I have several nice chatlogs to drag information from what you in CFS did and didn't wanted to do. I have information from your boards, roughly the same info m0o has, and that shows another view. Are we gonna pull all that into this discussion or will you just concede and state that you didn't had the guts to fight m0o?
I honor all those few pilots standing up against m0o over and over again. They are the heroes in this fight.
The above is reason enough for me to run missions in order to acquire Tech2 for the corp and federation I'm a member of.
(Edit: And this is my personal view. Not anyone elses.)
Well Fargas. I did not make any claims I just answered a piece of BS from Spin master Morkt.
I will explain myself this once then will not answer any more of these bs posts. Actions will speak louder than words and we shall see.
I have spent more than my time down in the FIX but like anyone else I need to get my INS, skills and modules they ain't free. My corp has possibly 6 active members now 4 that are regular of which 2 of us regularly help in the FIX. So I say my corp has and will continue to do its bit in the fight, Whether that be donations or combat. I pulled out of the FIX soon after Castor was released as making the cash they way I was wasn't viable and my wallet was empty. I will return in the next day or 2 That you have my word on. Will you be there to help.
As for EF some of you are great some of you ain't. Shame that those that have pulled out can't see something through. I almost get the feeling that some in the EF want the CFS to go down so they can rush in and back up your earlier presidential claims.
My own personal opinion.
Tal
In other words there was no deal that EF should help defend the CFS keep their claimed territory, which they say they are protecting.
You are stating you must do missions up in Empire Space because you have a empty wallet and your corp is falling apart from inactivity? It sounds to me that, if that's the situation for most of CFS member corporations, that CFS just couldn't fight m0o.
May I suggest you speak for yourself next time, and not let any roused feelings get you to write things that are just not true.
If I were to start a new corp dedicated for fighting pirates, I'd surely know which ones I'd invite based on the last couple of weeks.. People that cared about killing pirates and not personal wallet!
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never seen you fight...are you one of those that are hiding behind the navy?
Have before will again.
Tal
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Erm - you're currently, and have been for the last 10 days or so, been running agent missions in Empire space.
One of our corpies is based out of the same station you operate your megathron from.... isnt it ironic that the CFSN is fighting in frigates and you're doing missions in a Megathron?
Erm yeah so you stalkin me. Yeah isnt ironic that members of the EF "Partners" to the CFS are doing missions in the same station in a Tempest instead of down fighting MOO. 10 days right and before that ? Your talkin out your ass Morkt as usual.
Tal
Let me in on the deal we have that EF "Partners" ie all corporations of EF, should fight CFS wars? I surely do missed that deal with the CFS. We stood up and fought with CFS and CFSN in the beginning. That's when we racked up corpses of the CoW/m0o invasion. Then all of a sudden you just didn't show up and we did surely not wanna lose ships in your war so we withdrew as well.
Now you're trying to blame us for not standing put to your cause? Gimme a break please. And I didn't see you either down those days I were fighting CoW/m0o. Not forgetting the fact that I was in charge of CFSN when either your leading CFSN staff or Yodaron was unable to lead them. Ain't it ironic that you give fleet command to a pilot that's not even MEMBER of the CFS? Still you putting blame on us not fighting?
If we're gonna discuss this issue, I have several nice chatlogs to drag information from what you in CFS did and didn't wanted to do. I have information from your boards, roughly the same info m0o has, and that shows another view. Are we gonna pull all that into this discussion or will you just concede and state that you didn't had the guts to fight m0o?
I honor all those few pilots standing up against m0o over and over again. They are the heroes in this fight.
The above is reason enough for me to run missions in order to acquire Tech2 for the corp and federation I'm a member of.
(Edit: And this is my personal view. Not anyone elses.)
Well Fargas. I did not make any claims I just answered a piece of BS from Spin master Morkt.
I will explain myself this once then will not answer any more of these bs posts. Actions will speak louder than words and we shall see.
I have spent more than my time down in the FIX but like anyone else I need to get my INS, skills and modules they ain't free. My corp has possibly 6 active members now 4 that are regular of which 2 of us regularly help in the FIX. So I say my corp has and will continue to do its bit in the fight, Whether that be donations or combat. I pulled out of the FIX soon after Castor was released as making the cash they way I was wasn't viable and my wallet was empty. I will return in the next day or 2 That you have my word on. Will you be there to help.
As for EF some of you are great some of you ain't. Shame that those that have pulled out can't see something through. I almost get the feeling that some in the EF want the CFS to go down so they can rush in and back up your earlier presidential claims.
My own personal opinion.
Tal
In other words there was no deal that EF should help defend the CFS keep their claimed territory, which they say they are protecting.
You are stating you must do missions up in Empire Space because you have a empty wallet and your corp is falling apart from inactivity? It sounds to me that, if that's the situation for most of CFS member corporations, that CFS just couldn't fight m0o.
May I suggest you speak for yourself next time, and not let any roused feelings get you to write things that are just not true.
If I were to start a new corp dedicated for fighting pirates, I'd surely know which ones I'd invite based on the last couple of weeks.. People that cared about killing pirates and not personal wallet!
LOL at Fargas thats the most hopeless but of spinning I've seen. I see they havent let you out of the funny farm yet Mr President. Cant even remember your own post concerning helping the CFS. Here is a part of your own press release.
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We get what we have now û free and unrestricted access to the safest and richest areas of space within the Galaxy. Any thoughts of fighting to retain access to the very same thing we were given freely by the CFS are, in hindsight, ludicrous.
We arenÆt just offering an olive-branch to smooth over recent issues, we are also offering a very large, very capable ô****ty-stickö to help beat off anybody else who fails to come to the realisation that we in the Empyrean Federation have:
The CFS
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Propoganda bull
It will be a victory when there is no more CFS you may have one the battle but not the war.
Thats the point of this thread. There is no more CFS. We have destroyed what u stood for, we changed your alliance as we saw fit. When we came to FIX, A2 was one of the busiest chokepoints on the map, Gehi was the biggest center of production and business in the South. Everything is gone now. CFS lost. All we need now is your OFFICIAL surrender to [m0o] corp. Then we will leave.
P.S
Digi, i meant to say you ;) Dunno why i said Dreamworks...i still dont like him :P
LOL at Neg thought you where the Pirate not the Parrot
Tal
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Well Fargas. I did not make any claims I just answered a piece of BS from Spin master Morkt.
I will explain myself this once then will not answer any more of these bs posts. Actions will speak louder than words and we shall see.
I have spent more than my time down in the FIX but like anyone else I need to get my INS, skills and modules they ain't free. My corp has possibly 6 active members now 4 that are regular of which 2 of us regularly help in the FIX. So I say my corp has and will continue to do its bit in the fight, Whether that be donations or combat. I pulled out of the FIX soon after Castor was released as making the cash they way I was wasn't viable and my wallet was empty. I will return in the next day or 2 That you have my word on. Will you be there to help.
As for EF some of you are great some of you ain't. Shame that those that have pulled out can't see something through. I almost get the feeling that some in the EF want the CFS to go down so they can rush in and back up your earlier presidential claims.
My own personal opinion.
The only thing clearly answered Talon is that you are one of those guilty of abandoning the CFS.
You had a battleship and could have fought, you chose not to and yet expect others to fight for you in your place whilst passing a bill saying they have no rights and must pay your money for entry.
Its laughable.
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:11:00 -
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Thats the point of this thread. There is no more CFS. We have destroyed what u stood for, we changed your alliance as we saw fit. When we came to FIX, A2 was one of the busiest chokepoints on the map, Gehi was the biggest center of production and business in the South. Everything is gone now. CFS lost. All we need now is your OFFICIAL surrender to [m0o] corp. Then we will leave.
...and as soon as you leave, the CFS has won, because their space is Moo-free.
So there really was no point to this war except you wanting to kill things... as you and everybody else knows very well
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Posted - 2004.01.08 19:51:00 -
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Well Fargas. I did not make any claims I just answered a piece of BS from Spin master Morkt.
I will explain myself this once then will not answer any more of these bs posts. Actions will speak louder than words and we shall see.
I have spent more than my time down in the FIX but like anyone else I need to get my INS, skills and modules they ain't free. My corp has possibly 6 active members now 4 that are regular of which 2 of us regularly help in the FIX. So I say my corp has and will continue to do its bit in the fight, Whether that be donations or combat. I pulled out of the FIX soon after Castor was released as making the cash they way I was wasn't viable and my wallet was empty. I will return in the next day or 2 That you have my word on. Will you be there to help.
As for EF some of you are great some of you ain't. Shame that those that have pulled out can't see something through. I almost get the feeling that some in the EF want the CFS to go down so they can rush in and back up your earlier presidential claims.
My own personal opinion.
The only thing clearly answered Talon is that you are one of those guilty of abandoning the CFS.
You had a battleship and could have fought, you chose not to and yet expect others to fight for you in your place whilst passing a bill saying they have no rights and must pay your money for entry.
Its laughable.
Your laughable you post the same thing again and again"like a record round round". Post something original and true .
Tal
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 20:16:00 -
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For certain you aren't original Talon, you and a few dozen others CFS bigwigs are guilty of the same unoriginal, how did he put it; "betrayal" ...but its certainly true
Its a amtter of public record now that whilst your allaince was begging for help and support you were hiding in empire space ignoring the pleas. What part of this profund truth cant you understand... I mean we can all go check the transaction logs of the agent to see just what you were doing in your nice shiny battleship whilst the CFS Navy went down in flames unsupported by its valiant Seantor Talon.
Paint us a different "truth", just make sure you can edit out the awkward facts of your agent records telling the real events.
You hid, you ignored pleas for help and you can't get around those simple facts... yet you still want and think others should fight your fight for you, fight for your ight to decide who can enter a region of space you cannot control.
You're a one man Senator from a one man corp weilding out-of-whack voting power in a ever defunct ex-democracy.
The truth:
They needed your help, you refused to help them instead seeking personal profit. You see thats fine for the rest o fus as WE arent claiming dominion over 200 stat systems and seeking toe nforce tolls for access.
Can you tell me how you will gether tolls though from within the empire?
just curious - or will your agent do tha for you too?
lmfao
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Posted - 2004.01.08 20:19:00 -
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Is it a possibility that this was a completely fabricated article? Can anyone from CFS Confirm or deny that they are indeed closing their borders?
The article information is correct. I was sent an exact copy of the information by a CFS Senator entirely seperately to however EG got it.
You should note that the Bill empowers the CFS to do a lot of things, whether or not they do them, r even pass the bill, is another matter.
having the power to close the borders and impose tolls at whim is not the same as doing so - judging by Ends' posts however it is clearly his desire to do so as soon as possible and thus start funding the rebuilding of the CFSN from external revenues.
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The mere fact that soembody from CFS has openly claimed the information was "hacked" and "obtained illegally" also proves the veracity of the suppplied information.
The part quoting the Senate proposition is thus entirely accurate and already verified... the remainder is merely opinion of the Senator who supplied EG with the informationa nd opinion of the EG reporter (the later of which clearly displays both ends of the story).
Im not sure exactly what else you need/want in terms of "proof" that the story and information is accurate.
Proof would be someone from CFS Senate confirming or denying the allegations. You present this article and expect people to just take your word for it. If the senator who betrayed CFS Has enough brass to sell or give this info to you, then should he not come out and say "I" Otherwise I dont believe it until it happens. Sorry
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 20:21:00 -
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Oh and - this is all just my personal opinion.
My corporation and Alliance arent represented by my comments herein. Though I doubt any of them would differ much with regards to the "turth" about your individual actions (or lack of them).
Dont try to preach Talon when you are one of the worst sinners, you look stupid. And those in the CFS know as do you.. they just ask "Where were you when we needed you, where were you when we pleaded for help?"
And you can lie all you want but your agent will always say "he was here running missions for me and ignoring you all for his personal benefit and gain."
Lesson in reality for you Talon; If YOU claim an area of space be prepaired to defend it. Dont expect others to defend it for you.
(and with that i say adieu)
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Posted - 2004.01.08 20:49:00 -
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Oh and - this is all just my personal opinion.
My corporation and Alliance arent represented by my comments herein. Though I doubt any of them would differ much with regards to the "turth" about your individual actions (or lack of them).
Dont try to preach Talon when you are one of the worst sinners, you look stupid. And those in the CFS know as do you.. they just ask "Where were you when we needed you, where were you when we pleaded for help?"
And you can lie all you want but your agent will always say "he was here running missions for me and ignoring you all for his personal benefit and gain."
Lesson in reality for you Talon; If YOU claim an area of space be prepaired to defend it. Dont expect others to defend it for you.
(and with that i say adieu)
Your right those that know know. The ignorant can guess. And you can repeat the same thing using different wording again again.
Your a sad old bitter man Morkt.
Ta ta
Tal
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Morkt Drakt
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Your right those that know know. The ignorant can guess. And you can repeat the same thing using different wording again again.
Your a sad old bitter man Morkt.
Ta ta
Tal
If I were at least im not a coward who hides in his battleship behind his agent whilst others fight for him in their frigates...
oh my!
Look talon, you cant hide from it, learn to live with the mark ok? Everybody knows you wouldnt fihgt, they know you didnt help. Stop making it out to be "My" fault you didnt give a toss about your own alliance k.
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Posted - 2004.01.08 21:36:00 -
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ROFL!
He helped more than you you n00b!
OH damn i'm starting to write like Lord Zap in local
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Talon your not helping the CFS at this, why don't you just let it go? We still have to figure out if we will pass the bill, and you don't need to argue with these poeple to do that. Convince our own people.
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 08/01/2004 21:45:28
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Talon your not helping the CFS at this, why don't you just let it go? We still have to figure out if we will pass the bill, and you don't need to argue with these poeple to do that. Convince our own people.
Niether have you ends. Want to say something to me mail it.
Tal
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.01.08 21:41:00 -
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please keep any further replies constructive
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 21:47:00 -
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ROFL!
He helped more than you you n00b!
Erm - she isnt a member of the CFS Cardassius... she wasn't expected to help, nor was she asked to by your president, nor would she be expected to.
I think you need to sort out who is who before replying next time.
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2004.01.08 21:48:00 -
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If fact i'm right about that Talon helped more Morkt. He did. And i'm aware that that alt isn't in cfs.
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Silinary
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Posted - 2004.01.08 22:12:00 -
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Talon and Raindrop. The problems brought forth are true. You guys continue to deny what is said as true. I don't understand it. With multiple senators denying and yet confirming at the same time you are running yourselves into circles. Always denyability eh?
I've seen this going on and its disturbed me greatly. I thought the members of the CFS were indeed more honorable then this. Perhaps more control should be put in for membership application then a simple post and everyone voting aye? Not once have I seen a nay vote on a membership application. It is humorous in a sad and pathetic way.
If no one else will, then I will confirm it as true. Hate me, flog me if you want, but the truth is already out there. Whether it was stolen, or givin freely, it is still truth.
In a way, I am sort of glad this has happened. Many Senators and members of the CFS needed a swift kick in the ass, including me. I'm hoping this has opened the eyes of the CFS members. I'm not talking just the senators, but the members of those corporations. If they even care.
Participation has long been a problem. Well before the CA war. This I don't think is a secret.
This bill was brought up due to funding issues, funding issues that wouldn't exist if other funding bills which didn't compromise the integrity of the CFS would have passed. Cause and effect I suppose. Perhaps those previously defeated funding bills need to revisited? Perhaps it should also be noted how many corporation senators are not voting and contact them. If they don't respond, throw their access out and talk to the CEO of that corporation for a new one. If the CEO was the senator, then throw the corp out. Find out how many are really in the alliance and how many are not participating. If they are not participating, then they do not care. If they do not care, then they have no place here.
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Posted - 2004.01.08 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 08/01/2004 22:31:11
Sil what are you talking about I've denied nothing but the attack on my character.
Anyway all these leaks from a CFS senator sounds like someone trying to kill the new bill by discrediting it here. hmmm
Regards
Tal
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2004.01.08 23:09:00 -
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Anyway all these leaks from a CFS senator sounds like someone trying to kill the new bill by discrediting it here. hmmm
Thankfully they appear to have succeeded, at least from what I've heard. My sources today are telling me that this latest bill was defeated in the CFS senate. Sanity appears to have won out in the end.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.08 23:15:00 -
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Good job too - now its for the CFS to pick up the pieces and look inwardly to sort out its structure and membeship.
Some fairly obvious and dramatic holes ahve appeared in their operations which unless they sort them will remain as fatal flaws.
People, the most surprising of people, will HELP the CFS if they cose the right way forward and get beyond this recent power-trip.
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Silinary
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Edited by: Silinary on 08/01/2004 23:32:49
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Sil what are you talking about I've denied nothing but the attack on my character.
My apologies Talon. Looking back I see you are right on that point.
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Fargas
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Posted - 2004.01.09 01:57:00 -
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Quote: to help beat off
As far as I know, we did help out until you bailed. That's as far as that quote took you Talon. We didn't say we should fight your wars. m0o directed it's actions towards you. You as in the CFS. Not us in the EF.
So if I'm a bad spinner, what are you?
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JackDonkey
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Posted - 2004.01.09 03:01:00 -
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If this proposal was to pass I think CFS would need a toll gate, not a monthly/weekly fee or anything of that nature. This is because a continual presence at a choke point and visable security would have to be displayed.
The FIX and beyond in the past has been a noob mining zone, because of the relative safety for the small beginner corps, like mine, but now we can no longer mine there because of npc's and no longer have interest in going there, especially with the draw of big rewards from agent missions, namely tech 2 blueprints.
I don't know why everyone cares about CFS and the bill saying that only cfs can have a player owned station in the FIX because of this scenario: The Empyrean Federation builds a station and fights with CFS, then one day Fargas says ok the Empyrean Federation lays claim to this region. It's already been tried and as shown in this thread the Empyrean Federation are quick to change sides, or make their own side. This must be the reason for that amendment and was cleary an excellent foresight on the CFS's part. They need to have only CFS stations in the FIX to keep it free (from now on when I say free I am not applying an isk value and mean that you are free from being shot up... idealy).
And what's with the comparisons to the FA, the FA has a toll, but to my knowledge you cannot mine there. So even if this toll is applied it's a different scenario, a big difference.
If the toll was say 100,000 per industrial going in and out and less for other non-industrial ships I wouldn't be against the idea. Although CFS would have to be able to provide confidence in people that they could keep you safe from harm in the area. If this was still pre castor and I was able to still mine bistot I would gladly pay the above amount for a higher level of security. I think this idea for CFS is a respectable proposal and it is not for us (non-CFS) to discuss as this is not the final enacted CFS law. We are talking about one fellows proposal here not CFS as a whole.
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The bill has neither passed nor failed.
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Morkt Drakt
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 09/01/2004 03:17:39
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It's already been tried and as shown in this thread the Empyrean Federation are quick to change sides, or make their own side.
I think a CFS Bill banning anybody else from even accessing the area without payment, without any discussion with their "partners" or independents, clearly set out the "sides" here:
CFS versus "everybody else"
It had little to do with anybody or any other group's "alterior" motives Jack.
Or do you think everybody else should throw their arms in the air in jubilation and say "Yeah! I'll keep helping you fight the bad guys..and tell you what.. charge us for the priveledge, stop us mining with mobiles and impose taxes and tolls on us also whilst you are at it - Yeah - thats groovy!"
WNot.
Did you know that whilst all this was was going on and various CFS individuals and Corps were paying m0o-tolls the CFS was demanding that the EF could not.
Did you also miss the lack of any consultation with these same military partners or any representatives of independents and freelancers?
No you didn't notice any because they wasn't any.
Anyway its a redundant discussion as the CFS cannot enforce the Bill even if they voted it in.
Fact - they don't have the capability of imposing it.
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JackDonkey
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Posted - 2004.01.09 03:21:00 -
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Sadly I cannot disagree with you Morkt.
I used the Empryean Federation as a possible scenario because it is known that they have tried to claim the Delve and before that they mentioned something about a few constellations. I could have used a hypothetical but it wouldv'e taken longer to explain.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.09 03:29:00 -
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Sadly I cannot disagree with you Morkt.
I used the Empryean Federation as a possible scenario because it is known that they have tried to claim the Delve and before that they mentioned something about a few constellations. I could have used a hypothetical but it wouldv'e taken longer to explain.
Aye - though that Delve claim was Fargas on drugs I should add.
In hindsight i hope the CFS learns from this, what angered most people the most, is the way both independents and "partners" alike were ignored totally whilst the Senate planned to cut them out of the area and impose illegal taxes and tolls on them.
Many of those people helped hunt pirates, helped fight m0o and also put sweat and tears into the stability of those regions. They were all stabbed in the back by the manner in which this was conducted..
Only swift public condemnation and the savy actions of a few CFS senators, unafraid of speaking out, may have saved them.
Not that you will ever see the powermonger Senators within the CFS admit that.
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Fargas
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Posted - 2004.01.09 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Fargas on 09/01/2004 05:31:34
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Sadly I cannot disagree with you Morkt.
I used the Empryean Federation as a possible scenario because it is known that they have tried to claim the Delve and before that they mentioned something about a few constellations. I could have used a hypothetical but it wouldv'e taken longer to explain.
Yes I did in the roleplaying section of this forum. It wasn't meant to be a serious claim, it was meant for starting some kind of roleplaying with CFS and EF. It failed. I've already written that in that thread, look it up if you want to.
Way before that thread, we were told by Yodaron, Greg Tanner and Raindrop about CFS future plans. For example they admitted they had begun looking into bills declaring their view on playercontrolled mobile entities in space. Now they are starting to vote on them, not because of EF. And as we all know, that freedom is gone from the 'Free Space Bill'. This is not thanks to EF But because they have been planning this for a long time. You'd know that if you were in the loop with CFS.
But this thread ain't about telling the public what certain leading people of CFS have told me and us in EF in private discussions.. It's about them trying and perhaps wanting to remove the freedom totally for all but members of CFS.
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