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SleepingBuddah	Posted - 2007.05.24 10:45:00 - [1] Who has more chances of winning in 1v1 combat? Ishkur jumps into gate and sees a bubble and a lone sabre. What should it do? - run to gate? - run from gate? - fight? assuming both pilots skills are maxed.
Kal'Kalagan Aggressive Tendencies	Posted - 2007.05.24 10:48:00 - [2] Good question. As a Sabre pilot I doubt I could break a Iskurs tank before his drones took me down. I would therefore concentrate on keeping range and popping those drones. The Ishkur would probably then escape.
Xtreem Gallente Space Chickz	Posted - 2007.05.24 10:50:00 - [3] i think this one would come down to pilot pvp skill
bldyannoyed Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.24 11:02:00 - [4] An Ishkur would be a sitting target for a Sabre once it had a pair of webs on. Sabre pilot would need to put his artillery on the ishkur and consider using its own drones to pop the ishkurs. Ishkurs may be tuff, but with the sabre ( probably ) doing mostly exposive damage it isnt going to tank very long, And 5 light drones with no ship damage bonus dont put out a frightening amount of dps against a cruiser. And if it all goes **** up the sabre can just run away. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
OKtha Jarin Gallente Stellar-Tec Network Systems SynchronizerZ	Posted - 2007.05.24 11:05:00 - [5] i would say fight! i fought myself in a ishkur against sabre and i got him in 50% structure as i blow up. Must say the ishur wasnt fully with T2 drones fitted and i had no T2 ammo so the sabre would have died when i had T2 drones on it.
Shuttlemaster GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2007.05.24 13:08:00 - [6] I think its a fight the Ishkur cant win against a good Sabre pilot at most you could force the Sabre to run.
SasRipper DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2007.05.24 13:17:00 - [7] double back & jump if u get cought again fight! but my money is on sabre snip Sas has spoken this tread shall be locked.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.24 13:26:00 - [8] Wow, you guys are more than slightly clueless. Sabre gets falloff bonus. Ishkur can't really do anything to it whatsoever, since it can do it's usual barrage+falloffbonus+outofwebrange thing. This is totally easymode, kill all the ishkur's drones then finish him... EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
xHomicide Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 13:35:00 - [9] Originally by: bldyannoyed An Ishkur would be a sitting target for a Sabre once it had a pair of webs on. Sabre pilot would need to put his artillery on the ishkur and consider using its own drones to pop the ishkurs. Ishkurs may be tuff, but with the sabre ( probably ) doing mostly exposive damage it isnt going to tank very long, And 5 light drones with no ship damage bonus dont put out a frightening amount of dps against a cruiser. And if it all goes **** up the sabre can just run away. The sabre would be screwed once the ishkur tripped webbed the sabre. Once a sabre is tripple webbed it is helpless and would easily be killed by the ishkur's medium drones. The ishkur would just pull in its drones before they get killed by the sabres drones making the sabres drones useless. --- Razor CEI
Starraker	Posted - 2007.05.24 13:42:00 - [10] Out of experience: The sabre pilot wil win if he orbits at 11 km outside of webrange at MWD speed. The drones can't get at you and the ishkur can't nos you so his tank will fail. Use T2 auto cannons with high falloff ammo. Also experiences learned me not to go in to finnish it quickly after the ishkur is deep into structure, because he will web you NOS you his tank starts working again and the drones kill you quick. -Star
Jenny's Boy Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet	Posted - 2007.05.24 13:48:00 - [11] Originally by: xHomicide Originally by: bldyannoyed An Ishkur would be a sitting target for a Sabre once it had a pair of webs on. Sabre pilot would need to put his artillery on the ishkur and consider using its own drones to pop the ishkurs. Ishkurs may be tuff, but with the sabre ( probably ) doing mostly exposive damage it isnt going to tank very long, And 5 light drones with no ship damage bonus dont put out a frightening amount of dps against a cruiser. And if it all goes **** up the sabre can just run away. The sabre would be screwed once the ishkur tripped webbed the sabre. Once a sabre is tripple webbed it is helpless and would easily be killed by the ishkur's medium drones. The ishkur would just pull in its drones before they get killed by the sabres drones making the sabres drones useless. And how many Ishkur that you know fit webs in all three of their midslots? My ishkur midslots run mwd-scram-web, and I sincerely doubt theres much variation on that. I don't see why the Sabre can't orbit well out of web range and just blast the Ishkur into nonexistence. It's not like it would even take long, and the Sabre is much faster that the Ishkur. My Sabre can outrun my alt's Valkyrie IIs easily, and it'll be oneshotting Warrior IIs, so you can't really say use the 'scoop and redeploy' argument here. Best choice for the Ishkur is to run to a station or gate. --- Marq's sneaky alt! I'd post with my main... but he's banned. Onoes.
Phish1 Liberty Forces Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 13:54:00 - [12] easy, orbit out of range and hammer away with barrage, kill the drones first of course. I fly both sides of this, and I have won all times this situation has come up... sabre pilot - orbit outside web range and shoot with barrage, killing his dornes first = win ishkur pilot - get a web on and THEN launch drones (If the sabre pilot only has 1 web then he must use it to kill the drones) get in close, nos + shoot with guns, web, scram, the works... he should die. all depends... dont even think of attacking a sabre if you are running warrior IIs (unless you know that that pilot does not have a MSE II fitted)
Jenny's Boy Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet	Posted - 2007.05.24 13:56:00 - [13] Originally by: Phish1 (If the sabre pilot only has 1 web then he must use it to kill the drones) - Sabre pilot should not be fighting within web range, thus he will never need a web. - Sabre guns can easily track drones of any size, especially if the drones are chasing the Sabre and thus have practically zero transversal. --- Marq's sneaky alt! I'd post with my main... but he's banned. Onoes.
ZuN3 kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.05.24 14:19:00 - [14] Originally by: xHomicide Originally by: bldyannoyed An Ishkur would be a sitting target for a Sabre once it had a pair of webs on. Sabre pilot would need to put his artillery on the ishkur and consider using its own drones to pop the ishkurs. Ishkurs may be tuff, but with the sabre ( probably ) doing mostly exposive damage it isnt going to tank very long, And 5 light drones with no ship damage bonus dont put out a frightening amount of dps against a cruiser. And if it all goes **** up the sabre can just run away. The sabre would be screwed once the ishkur tripped webbed the sabre. Once a sabre is tripple webbed it is helpless and would easily be killed by the ishkur's medium drones. The ishkur would just pull in its drones before they get killed by the sabres drones making the sabres drones useless. Wtf. Yeah, because so many Ishkurs run 3 webs :/ Or is that a joke? /o\
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.24 14:22:00 - [15] I would say run back for the gate and agro if he's dumb enough to sit in web range for more than a speed-pass through. You won't win at long range. Tried it with my wolf, I win at close range, it wins at long range. Pretty close either way tho. sgb
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 14:30:00 - [16] Originally by: ZuN3 Originally by: xHomicide Originally by: bldyannoyed An Ishkur would be a sitting target for a Sabre once it had a pair of webs on. Sabre pilot would need to put his artillery on the ishkur and consider using its own drones to pop the ishkurs. Ishkurs may be tuff, but with the sabre ( probably ) doing mostly exposive damage it isnt going to tank very long, And 5 light drones with no ship damage bonus dont put out a frightening amount of dps against a cruiser. And if it all goes **** up the sabre can just run away. The sabre would be screwed once the ishkur tripped webbed the sabre. Once a sabre is tripple webbed it is helpless and would easily be killed by the ishkur's medium drones. The ishkur would just pull in its drones before they get killed by the sabres drones making the sabres drones useless. Wtf. Yeah, because so many Ishkurs run 3 webs :/ Or is that a joke? /o\ Nah - drone using sabreas are deadly opponents, as are 3x web ishkurs. And seriously - depends on pvp skill :) On longer run sabre should win but IF you mange to web him somehow he is dead meat.
Lishan Kamatar	Posted - 2007.05.24 14:32:00 - [17] i have thought a inskur in my saber you need 2x med shield extenders tho and have shields near 100% i just ram up to him 7x 150mm t2 emp ammo on him dies pretty quickly i have bout 20% shields left tho. he had t2 drones and nos i think
Ryle Caldari Righteous-Indignation Ghosts Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:19:00 - [18] Popping light drones while you're getting attacked is far easier said than done. It amuses me how many people's solution on these forums is "pop his drones and then you'll be fine." Well, yes, but in the time that it takes you to start running through your enemy's drones, he's probably either eaten through your shields and armor, or he's run away. ------------------------------- -If you're going through Hell... Keep going.-
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:42:00 - [19] Just mwd to gate, the sabre wil engage and will try to web you because else he just trapped nothing at all. Watch out though, a lot of sabres run dual webs... _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
SleepingBuddah	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Phish1 ishkur pilot - get a web on and THEN launch drones (If the sabre pilot only has 1 web then he must use it to kill the drones) get in close, nos + shoot with guns, web, scram, the works... he should die. all depends... dont even think of attacking a sabre if you are running warrior IIs (unless you know that that pilot does not have a MSE II fitted) Can you please share your fitting for Ishkur in this situation?
Kaathar Rielspar Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:48:00 - [21] why not just switch to hail and blast him out of existence? ____________________ Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe Originally by: Eximius Josari If BS Sized HACs would be overpowered, what are HACs? Overpriced Nos victims.
6Bagheera9 Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 17:01:00 - [22] The Sabre should obliterate the Ishkur, its simply too much dps for any frig to tank and then then there is the fact that the Sabre can do it from well outside nos and webb range.
Maxine Blade	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:28:00 - [23] Popping light drones is surprisingly easy in a Sabre. 7 T2 Arty's instapop most light drones, if it doesn't, the second volley will definately kill the drones. Sabre wins once the drones are gone.
Father Weebles North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:32:00 - [24] Originally by: 6Bagheera9 The Sabre should obliterate the Ishkur, its simply too much dps for any frig to tank and then then there is the fact that the Sabre can do it from well outside nos and webb range. + a decent fitted sabre will have 2 medium shield extender IIs, thats a lot to bite through. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=524621
Donna Divine Gilded Goose Brokerage	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:37:00 - [25] Edited by: Donna Divine on 24/05/2007 18:36:17 Quote: consider using its own drones to pop the ishkurs. ... a cruiser. WTB cruiser sized sabre with dronebay. The sabre needs to have a 20km scram fitted for the auto+barrage tactic to work, and the ishkur can leave the bubble fairly quicly. It's also probably better off using autos to pop the ishkurs drones. And it needs to have at least a single booster or extender fitted to resist the bit of damage the ishkur could do if it's got rails fitted. All in all, sabre stands a far better chance and should only lose if it gets into web range somehow. If it dfoesn't it either survives or wins, depending on setup. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gilded Goose Brokerages Trading to order.
Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:04:00 - [26] my money is on the ishkur, warrior II's with max skills go fast, i've taken a sabre down into almost popping in my ishkur before he even got close to breaking my tank, and i didn't use webs and this is pre speed nerf ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...
Father Weebles North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:17:00 - [27] yep but sabre has 60% exp resists and 2500 shield hp...and an ishkur wont tank 7 200mm IIs for a long time without a cap booster. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=524621
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:39:00 - [28] i once took a sabre to about 15% struct in an ok fitted pulse crusader. sabre is pretty thin, but above was prior to the hp boost. my money is on the sabre these days. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Kal'Kalagan Aggressive Tendencies	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:45:00 - [29] A Sabre could kill just the Iskur easily of course -its just those damn T2 drones. Warrior II's do 5000m/s I think or near it. You can probably get that speed out of a Sabre with right setup but not while orbiting at 10-15km. Only way to safely kill the drones is to head away from the Ishkur, a good pilot should be able to kill those drones without a problem but by the time the drones are dead a half decent frig pilot will be long gone befoir eyou can get back within scram or web range!
Eardianm Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:47:00 - [30] Originally by: Ryysa Wow, you guys are more than slightly clueless. Sabre gets falloff bonus. Ishkur can't really do anything to it whatsoever, since it can do it's usual barrage+falloffbonus+outofwebrange thing. This is totally easymode, kill all the ishkur's drones then finish him... Anyone else get a perverse joy out of having to sit thru the ego to get admittedly solid information? --------------

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