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Coran Roscai
The Ordo Imperialis
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.24 16:03:00 -
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Mineral Information : Zydrine
Only found in huge geodes; rocks on the outside with crystal-like quartz on the inside. The rarest and most precious of these geodes are those that contain the dark green zydrine within. Very rare and very expensive.
As I am sure your already aware this description is simply a blatent lie these days. Your game designers are failing to make 0.0 and low-sec systems attractive for prospective mining corporations. Industrialists that are key to running this entire game's infrastructure and suppling PvP areas are being let down when it comes to their wishes to make good profits in the 0.0 and low-sec areas of the game.
Because of the crash in High-end market prices brought on my the Drone regions, miners have practically no incentive in risking their ships and equipment in low-sec and 0.0 these days. Why would you inhabit unsafe space mining ore (sitting in a tinfoil ship with your pants down around your ankles and you lasers out blowing in the wind) that is not worth your time nor effort when you can make 300% more profit in empire surrounded by concord mining Scordite (afk at times) in relative 'safety'. The answer? You wouldn't bother your your hole doing it.
Low-ends are now needed more than High-ends because the rare high-ends are now more plentiful. We all know this is fact now. I have no problem with people making money selling low-ends, but by definition the High-ends should be rarer and more valuable, and worth taking the risk to get them and even your definitions say it should be like that. Is it intended by game designers to have eve work this way? I had always gotton the impression that in eve 'risk = reward' but no longer. Its now a matter of 'much less risk = same reward'. We live in an era of 'Why bother go to 0.0 when we can do it here and make more isk!'. Isn't this a sign to you that your original plan is not working...?
I know it might not have been foreseen that the opening up of Drone region resources would have caused a complete downturn in high-end profits, but its been 6 months now and things have not improved. The fact of the matter is that mining in dangerous space is not worth it. So more and more people are moving back to empire because of it. heck, even i have considered it. But I want to believe that 0.0 is and should be MORE PROFITABLE than empire... am I wrong? Should I move back to empire with the rest of them?
According to you guys (devs), you want people to move out of empire. I'm right behind you on that one, but without giving due attention to why miners in particular would bother going, your not going to make much progress. Good communication is key to getting things done, and at the momment their is considerable silence from devs on matters of immeadiate industrial problems in this game such as this one.
I love 0.0, I like low-sec. I implore you... if you want people (miners, yes we do exist) to go to these great places then please make it worth our while. Because at present it simply isn't. I do hope you read this devs because I meet more and more frustrated people every day that this continues. Its best to solve problems sooner rather than later you know. There must be something that could be done to make 0.0 more valuable to miners. I don't want to live in a agme where because we like money we turn into empire-dwellers because of it (miners).
Thank you for listening to me rant on, I hope I made sense, and that you can post here and say 'YES... we are aware... YES we know its messed up... and YES we are thinking about doing something about it.'
/Coran
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.24 16:05:00 -
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Where I live we can make 300 million in an hour mining as a small group. Not sure what you are going on about 0.0 mining not worth it.
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Coran Roscai
The Ordo Imperialis
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.24 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: Coran Roscai on 24/05/2007 16:08:17
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Where I live we can make 300 million in an hour mining as a small group. Not sure what you are going on about 0.0 mining not worth it.
I understand what you mean. I was referring to the ccp drive to try and get people out into 0.0 / low-sec rather than people already out there (for the most part) who have access to the security and support of big long established alliances.
Edit: spelled what wrong
Also: my experience is that it is possible to make as much if not more (in some places) profit mining for Pyerite and Tritanium in 'safe' empire than it is to mine for Zydrine in 0.0 for example.
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Dr Woo
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Posted - 2007.05.24 16:09:00 -
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/signed 100 times over.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.24 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Coran Roscai
I understand waht you mean. I was referring to ccp drive to try and get people out into 0.0 / low-sec rather than people already out there (for the most part) who have access to the security and support of big long established alliances.
What part of "Sandbox" requires CCP to try to drive people out of HighSec and into LowSec/0.0?
CCP doesn't get it. They have created an atmosphere where different preferences in play are neatly organize in security ratings. Any attempt to alter that will simply cause people to leave the game. If you try to "force" people out of HighSec they will leave, just as if you try to "force" people in 0.0 to abide by HighSec's rules.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.24 16:12:00 -
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I did not read that wall of text, but for me the fact that lowsec mining has become quite a bit less profitable than it used to be, coupled with the fact that I somehow lost the ability to sit for hours staring at rocks, has ended up with me selling my mining character, as he just sits in station training random skills anymore.
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Earthan
Gallente
The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters
Breidablik
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Posted - 2007.05.24 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Where I live we can make 300 million in an hour mining as a small group. Not sure what you are going on about 0.0 mining not worth it.
Depends what oyu mean by small group. If its 10 poeple its 30 milions per person, i think i can make same or nearly same by npcing.And idotn have all the hassle to refine , haul to empire and sell.
+ If i remmber where live its feythablois wich has arkonor.There is no better ore, and its in only few systems.All of north is devoid of it.
North had crockite before but now its not worth much
I tottaly second the notion.
Imho CCP first lured poeple into mining profession, and you could spend quite some time training skills and isk buying ships/modules , and now totally nerfed them.
I repeat i dont know what are nowadays miners in north doing.With prices of ~1100 crockite is worthless compared to npcing.
It was liek a gift to npcers/warrior and a giant hit to miners cause with new regions warriors could do what only miners could do before.
I dont understand it.
And no i havent been mining in 1/2 year or more , i dont even have a good region to do it, but i think its tottaly unfair towards miners
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Coran Roscai
The Ordo Imperialis
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.24 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Originally by: Coran Roscai
I understand waht you mean. I was referring to ccp drive to try and get people out into 0.0 / low-sec rather than people already out there (for the most part) who have access to the security and support of big long established alliances.
What part of "Sandbox" requires CCP to try to drive people out of HighSec and into LowSec/0.0?
CCP doesn't get it. They have created an atmosphere where different preferences in play are neatly organize in security ratings. Any attempt to alter that will simply cause people to leave the game. If you try to "force" people out of HighSec they will leave, just as if you try to "force" people in 0.0 to abide by HighSec's rules.
You make a great point. CCP will get nowhere by forcing players to do anything nor will they get anywhere by not encouraging them. The situation of people mining en masse in empire now was brought on by decisions ccp made to give us more 0.0 to occupy and fight over and play this game with. But they didn't address the fact that if like a governemnt in real life, you print off trillions of dollars to give to people so they won't be poor (them giving us the drone regions and all the new high-ends) , you are in fact going to cause a big economic problem as prices will soar since everyone has money to buy everything (more high-ends so price of low-ends soar).
Of course they should not force people out, but by making it worth people's while to go back out themselves they can fix this problem. Balance.
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Coran Roscai
The Ordo Imperialis
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.24 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard
I did not read that wall of text, but for me the fact that lowsec mining has become quite a bit less profitable than it used to be, coupled with the fact that I somehow lost the ability to sit for hours staring at rocks, has ended up with me selling my mining character, as he just sits in station training random skills anymore.
Sorry for the wall of text mate... lol
Thats too bad about your mining character...
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Earthan
Gallente
The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters
Breidablik
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Posted - 2007.05.24 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Earthan on 24/05/2007 16:21:13
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Originally by: Coran Roscai
I understand waht you mean. I was referring to ccp drive to try and get people out into 0.0 / low-sec rather than people already out there (for the most part) who have access to the security and support of big long established alliances.
What part of "Sandbox" requires CCP to try to drive people out of HighSec and into LowSec/0.0?
CCP doesn't get it. They have created an atmosphere where different preferences in play are neatly organize in security ratings. Any attempt to alter that will simply cause people to leave the game. If you try to "force" people out of HighSec they will leave, just as if you try to "force" people in 0.0 to abide by HighSec's rules.
not true in most part.
Before level 4 missions were intrdouced 0.0 space wa smuch more inhabited...
Truth is there are some folks wich wont leave high sec ever and its their choice ok.
But most of players goes after isk.IF somethign has good reward poeple will try it.
Nowadays low sec and 0.0 is hardly enough rewarded
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Coran Roscai
The Ordo Imperialis
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.24 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Earthan
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Where I live we can make 300 million in an hour mining as a small group. Not sure what you are going on about 0.0 mining not worth it.
Depends what oyu mean by small group. If its 10 poeple its 30 milions per person, i think i can make same or nearly same by npcing.And idotn have all the hassle to refine , haul to empire and sell.
+ If i remmber where live its feythablois wich has arkonor.There is no better ore, and its in only few systems.All of north is devoid of it.
North had crockite before but now its not worth much
I tottaly second the notion.
Imho CCP first lured poeple into mining profession, and you could spend quite some time training skills and isk buying ships/modules , and now totally nerfed them.
I repeat i dont know what are nowadays miners in north doing.With prices of ~1100 crockite is worthless compared to npcing.
It was liek a gift to npcers/warrior and a giant hit to miners cause with new regions warriors could do what only miners could do before.
I dont understand it.
And no i havent been mining in 1/2 year or more , i dont even have a good region to do it, but i think its tottaly unfair towards miners
I don't see CCP as a some kind of sinister eveil corporation (lmao) that they would purposefully lure people into something only to nerf it. I think they inadvertantly nerfed it by not thinking all the consequences through to the end. I suppose its abit like the Amarr race. Who because of them not paying attention to all (some but not all) of the consequences have been left up at the bottom in terms of pvp and pve abilities. For example, why is it that almost all characters that are being sold/traded on these forums are Amarr? It can't be caused my conincidence in all cases...
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Coran Roscai
The Ordo Imperialis
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.24 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Earthan
Nowadays low sec and 0.0 is hardly enough rewarded
Exactly, thats the bottom line of this.
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max bygraves
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Posted - 2007.05.24 16:24:00 -
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try exploration.
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Coran Roscai
The Ordo Imperialis
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.24 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: max bygraves
try exploration.
lol, well why should we have to? We trained up these skillpoints like everyone else. We should be able to use them and make more isk in low-sec / 0.0 than in empire by using them.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.24 17:12:00 -
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i agree - whenever someone tells me that they will go to to 0.0 i tell them to really figure out if it will be worth it based on their net profits
i tell them right off that because of messed up zydrine prices and recently high low end prices they are better off staying in high sec and mining in 0.5 systems where they can get the less common ores and have less problems securing cans
its the truth until drones stop dropping alloys
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.24 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: max bygraves
try exploration.
The issue with exploration?
To get "optimal" conditions to find the sites you have to use one of 7 T1 and T2 frigates. With 220 CPU the probe launcher nerfs anything less than a battleship for actually going into an exploration site 
So you have to have multiple ships. Meaning you need stations. Meaning you have to travel...
Give us dedicated exploration ships that have bonuses to probes, hacking and surveying and you will have the tools to do it.
Still doesn't "fix" mining however, just moves people to a different profession....
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.24 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Earthan
But most of players goes after isk.IF somethign has good reward poeple will try it.
Nowadays low sec and 0.0 is hardly enough rewarded
Beg to differ. 0.0 is incredibly worth it. Both in terms of ISK per hour compared to L4 missions, and the possible rewards for such.
Even relaxed pace ratting is 10-15 million per hour, strictly on bounties and salvage. If reprocessing were more convenient and less politically suicidal where I operate, I'd be up around 15-20 million an hour.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.24 17:42:00 -
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Nerfing Rogue Drone alloy drops will fix the high end mineral prices.
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Coran Roscai
The Ordo Imperialis
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.24 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: Earthan
But most of players goes after isk.IF somethign has good reward poeple will try it.
Nowadays low sec and 0.0 is hardly enough rewarded
Beg to differ. 0.0 is incredibly worth it. Both in terms of ISK per hour compared to L4 missions, and the possible rewards for such.
Even relaxed pace ratting is 10-15 million per hour, strictly on bounties and salvage. If reprocessing were more convenient and less politically suicidal where I operate, I'd be up around 15-20 million an hour.
I can make 25-30 million mining in 0.0 these days per hour. I figure with prices as they are I would make 45-51 million in empire mining low-ends. You pve mate, so there has been some love given to you. I'm not trying to exclude you as I mean there are issues in every walk of life here in eve, but to me and many others, who like to mine primarily, 0.0 and low-sec has lost all charm in favor of true empire mining, which I think is ultimatly very bad.
Its like when you (people in general) moved out of your parents house for the first time to go find wealth and a place for yourself in the worls only to be sent packing for home because its 1) cheaper to live rent free 2) cheaper to eat 3) cheaper in general which gives you more money in your pocket... lol basically empire
(Also to anyone else who reads all this rabble I've updated my original post to include a link to another great thread which speak about the same stuff but the OP gives great ideas into how to fix the situation... do check it out...)
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2007.05.24 18:07:00 -
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Quote:
I understand what you mean. I was referring to the ccp drive to try and get people out into 0.0 / low-sec rather than people already out there (for the most part) who have access to the security and support of big long established alliances.
I don;t know what you are saying really. If 300 mill an hour isnt enough motivation what could be? you do understand anything they do to help make it more profitable for to try to get establahsed out there will also inflate what already seems like a absurd number if peopel can make 300 mill an hour already....
I mean it is a gameplay choice for the most part. you can see if you want to be out there you can make plenty of ISK so it seems you are confused. If you want CCP to try to drive people out of empire to go to 0.0 you are being silly, and frankly I dont even understand the motivation for wanting loads of other miners to join you in 0.0....
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.24 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Coran Roscai
Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: Earthan
But most of players goes after isk.IF somethign has good reward poeple will try it.
Nowadays low sec and 0.0 is hardly enough rewarded
Beg to differ. 0.0 is incredibly worth it. Both in terms of ISK per hour compared to L4 missions, and the possible rewards for such.
Even relaxed pace ratting is 10-15 million per hour, strictly on bounties and salvage. If reprocessing were more convenient and less politically suicidal where I operate, I'd be up around 15-20 million an hour.
I can make 25-30 million mining in 0.0 these days per hour. I figure with prices as they are I would make 45-51 million in empire mining low-ends. You pve mate, so there has been some love given to you. I'm not trying to exclude you as I mean there are issues in every walk of life here in eve, but to me and many others, who like to mine primarily, 0.0 and low-sec has lost all charm in favor of true empire mining, which I think is ultimatly very bad.
Its like when you (people in general) moved out of your parents house for the first time to go find wealth and a place for yourself in the worls only to be sent packing for home because its 1) cheaper to live rent free 2) cheaper to eat 3) cheaper in general which gives you more money in your pocket... lol basically empire
(Also to anyone else who reads all this rabble I've updated my original post to include a link to another great thread which speak about the same stuff but the OP gives great ideas into how to fix the situation... do check it out...)
Yeah, understand the distinction. I've encountered a few drone spawns in 0.0 and the amount of refinables dropped and what I got from them was pretty  .
If they don't want to nerf the volumes, they could at least re-arrange the distribution. I took home a full load of 700+ m3 of VERY high end alloys after only two encounters of four ships each, and there was still stuff I left in the field.
I cannot fault miners for being up in arms.
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Coran Roscai
The Ordo Imperialis
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.24 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Nerfing Rogue Drone alloy drops will fix the high end mineral prices.
yeah it would, but why don't they? Its been suggested so many times. Why are they remaining oblivious to the fact that frustrating your customers is not good. If they want to nerf low-sec / 0.0 mining come out and say it instead of hiding behind... 'They're concentrating on the combat side of things atm but I'll still try get them to give industrialists some love' - A paraphrase of waht the CCP Ceo said at a live dev blog.
Is it too much trouble to ask...?
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Coran Roscai
The Ordo Imperialis
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.24 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: Coran Roscai
Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: Earthan
But most of players goes after isk.IF somethign has good reward poeple will try it.
Nowadays low sec and 0.0 is hardly enough rewarded
Beg to differ. 0.0 is incredibly worth it. Both in terms of ISK per hour compared to L4 missions, and the possible rewards for such.
Even relaxed pace ratting is 10-15 million per hour, strictly on bounties and salvage. If reprocessing were more convenient and less politically suicidal where I operate, I'd be up around 15-20 million an hour.
I can make 25-30 million mining in 0.0 these days per hour. I figure with prices as they are I would make 45-51 million in empire mining low-ends. You pve mate, so there has been some love given to you. I'm not trying to exclude you as I mean there are issues in every walk of life here in eve, but to me and many others, who like to mine primarily, 0.0 and low-sec has lost all charm in favor of true empire mining, which I think is ultimatly very bad.
Its like when you (people in general) moved out of your parents house for the first time to go find wealth and a place for yourself in the worls only to be sent packing for home because its 1) cheaper to live rent free 2) cheaper to eat 3) cheaper in general which gives you more money in your pocket... lol basically empire
(Also to anyone else who reads all this rabble I've updated my original post to include a link to another great thread which speak about the same stuff but the OP gives great ideas into how to fix the situation... do check it out...)
Yeah, understand the distinction. I've encountered a few drone spawns in 0.0 and the amount of refinables dropped and what I got from them was pretty .
If they don't want to nerf the volumes, they could at least re-arrange the distribution. I took home a full load of 700+ m3 of VERY high end alloys after only two encounters of four ships each, and there was still stuff I left in the field.
I cannot fault miners for being up in arms.
But those alloys you are collecting are directly destroying the value of mining in 0.0. People have trained up hard to mine, now pve'ers can do that and get the same results and are naturally causing this great flood of the market of the highends you get from repo the alloys and compounds.If normal loot was being dropped then we may not have had a high-end mineral market crash. How can CCP justify ruining an entire profession for thousands of people and not want to make ammends?
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Coran Roscai
The Ordo Imperialis
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.24 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
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I understand what you mean. I was referring to the ccp drive to try and get people out into 0.0 / low-sec rather than people already out there (for the most part) who have access to the security and support of big long established alliances.
I don;t know what you are saying really. If 300 mill an hour isnt enough motivation what could be? you do understand anything they do to help make it more profitable for to try to get establahsed out there will also inflate what already seems like a absurd number if peopel can make 300 mill an hour already....
I mean it is a gameplay choice for the most part. you can see if you want to be out there you can make plenty of ISK so it seems you are confused. If you want CCP to try to drive people out of empire to go to 0.0 you are being silly, and frankly I dont even understand the motivation for wanting loads of other miners to join you in 0.0....
My point is this... CCP on a daily basis encourage us to move to 0.0 and low-sec were we can fight, conquer and build vast ships and structures. But they are shutting off the reason we miners would like to go there (I am approaching this topic as if I have started off and am assesing my options to stay in safe space and mine (making as much as 0.0) or risk it all and get less isk.)
I don't know you, or your corp, but I know your alliance. When you have established space and can call ops of 10-20 people together to mine you see results, but you could be actually making more isk in Empire I do believe, unless you are in fact mining low-ends out there?
The main thing I was trying to say was it should be risk = reward, but in your case, you are established in 0.0 and have the support of an alliance, so the day to day risk is quite small if you want to get together on a mining operation for whatever purpose.
Am I being any clearer? 
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Cypherous
Minmatar
Liberty Rogues
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Posted - 2007.05.24 18:21:00 -
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I think low sec mining is profitable, those strip miners sell very well 
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Thesas
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.05.24 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Cypherous
I think low sec mining is profitable, those strip miners sell very well
Thank you.. Well said..
I wish I had learned to be so concise.
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RC Denton
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Posted - 2007.05.24 18:45:00 -
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I don't think this is entirely the case. While high ends have come way down in price they are still an order of magnitude more expensive than the low ends. Trit is going for around 2.5, pyre 9.5, mex 26, nox 200, iso 100. High ends even though the price has come down is still much more valuable. Zyd ~1000, mega is pretty much unchanged at ~4500, and morphite has tanked but is still ~2000. That may go up as people get more into invention. You will still make tons more mining crokite in 0.0 than you will scordite in 0.5. And if you have bistot or spoudmain then it's even better. While I agree the drop rate of drones is somewhat ridiculous making them the most profitable rats in the game, high ends are not so much out of whack to make mining in 0.0 useless. Mining is only useless if you happen to inhabit the drone region in which case you are much better off ratting for mins.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.24 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Coran Roscai
Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: Coran Roscai
Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: Earthan
But most of players goes after isk.IF somethign has good reward poeple will try it.
Nowadays low sec and 0.0 is hardly enough rewarded
Beg to differ. 0.0 is incredibly worth it. Both in terms of ISK per hour compared to L4 missions, and the possible rewards for such.
Even relaxed pace ratting is 10-15 million per hour, strictly on bounties and salvage. If reprocessing were more convenient and less politically suicidal where I operate, I'd be up around 15-20 million an hour.
I can make 25-30 million mining in 0.0 these days per hour. I figure with prices as they are I would make 45-51 million in empire mining low-ends. You pve mate, so there has been some love given to you. I'm not trying to exclude you as I mean there are issues in every walk of life here in eve, but to me and many others, who like to mine primarily, 0.0 and low-sec has lost all charm in favor of true empire mining, which I think is ultimatly very bad.
Its like when you (people in general) moved out of your parents house for the first time to go find wealth and a place for yourself in the worls only to be sent packing for home because its 1) cheaper to live rent free 2) cheaper to eat 3) cheaper in general which gives you more money in your pocket... lol basically empire
(Also to anyone else who reads all this rabble I've updated my original post to include a link to another great thread which speak about the same stuff but the OP gives great ideas into how to fix the situation... do check it out...)
Yeah, understand the distinction. I've encountered a few drone spawns in 0.0 and the amount of refinables dropped and what I got from them was pretty .
If they don't want to nerf the volumes, they could at least re-arrange the distribution. I took home a full load of 700+ m3 of VERY high end alloys after only two encounters of four ships each, and there was still stuff I left in the field.
I cannot fault miners for being up in arms.
But those alloys you are collecting are directly destroying the value of mining in 0.0. People have trained up hard to mine, now pve'ers can do that and get the same results and are naturally causing this great flood of the market of the highends you get from repo the alloys and compounds.If normal loot was being dropped then we may not have had a high-end mineral market crash. How can CCP justify ruining an entire profession for thousands of people and not want to make ammends?
Well, in my particular case, my encounter with the drones was a one off. I withdrew from that region of space after walking headlong into a gatecamp and haven't been back. Right now, the only NPCs I run into are Sanshas.
Like I said, I understand what you're saying, and I did say that downgrading the types of drone materials looted would help, because your average L3/L4 mission drones or empire plex drones, drop low end materials that refine in about the same range as component reprocessing from standard loot. Small amounts of Megacite, modest amounts of Zydrine, with Mexallon and Isogen being the highest level mineral dropped in any conceivably large amount.
25 units of Gleaming Alloy is a little insane, 60 units of Dark Compound is only slightly less off the rocker. 60 units of Crystal Compound would make more sense, with a few units of the high stuff, if any at all.
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Posted - 2007.05.24 18:53:00 -
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to much PVP for some not enough for others
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Zyper
Minmatar
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2007.05.24 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Zyper on 24/05/2007 18:58:44
Originally by: RC Denton
I don't think this is entirely the case. While high ends have come way down in price they are still an order of magnitude more expensive than the low ends. Trit is going for around 2.5, pyre 9.5, mex 26, nox 200, iso 100. High ends even though the price has come down is still much more valuable. Zyd ~1000, mega is pretty much unchanged at ~4500, and morphite has tanked but is still ~2000. That may go up as people get more into invention. You will still make tons more mining crokite in 0.0 than you will scordite in 0.5. And if you have bistot or spoudmain then it's even better. While I agree the drop rate of drones is somewhat ridiculous making them the most profitable rats in the game, high ends are not so much out of whack to make mining in 0.0 useless. Mining is only useless if you happen to inhabit the drone region in which case you are much better off ratting for mins.
Oh so true, you do make more in 0.0 pr min mining than empire, but lets look at the fact that you also might loose your ship now and then, and you will spend a lot of time hideing from hostiles who roam/pass by to avoid dieing, and you have to put up with (/"#ñ() jamming/scramming rats if you happen to live in gurista space. Suddenly empire just got more worth it.. eh?
Looseing a ship can quickly set you back 4-20hours of mining, depending wat you where in, (a Hulk with a gistt a shield booster to tank the spawns will set you back about 20 hours more or less)..
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