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Silentil
Xoth Inc
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.29 07:38:00 -
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You people are spastics I swear.
Falcon is NOT designed for front line combat like a Rook is. It is a Recon ship that can function as a beefcake cov ops and pretty fkn good ECM skills + hold it's own with cyno support for cap ships. I can jam at 220k with racials and 110 with multispec. Plus, you can fit the T2 cov ops cloak.
You cannot, i repeat CANNOT, fit the T2 cov ops cloak on the Rook - there is only one cov ops cloak, and it doesn't go on the Rook like several ppl seem to believe. I really dunno why ppl have the impression you can. You can fit a cloak to the rook, but you can't warp with it, and your targetting speed is nerfed hardcore ergo it sux - people who can fly combat recon dont fit a ****ty cloak!
Let's analyze the bonuses and role of each:
- Rook, cant use cov ops cloak, but has beefed up ECM strength to make up for this disadvantage.
- Falcon, it's a fkn CYNO tank that can also jam crap that's trying to pewpew it with damn good resists! You can dump a cyno 300km from the main enemy fleet and any carriers can remote rep or tag u with rep drones to help tank anyone that would try to get in range to wtfpwn u.
L2play ppl. Falcon is not a Rook and whinging about the ECM bonus is pro gosu noob. It has a specific role to play. Rook's are the go if you want to go hunting with snipers as you can jam further than they can shoot (if you have the the appropriate EW skills), plus you can pick off lil **** frigates/crusiers as they get in range of your msls
At best, you fit hybrids to the hi-slots to tag logoffski's. Force Recon means Force multiplier meaning it accentuates the combat potential of your fleet with a)ecm, b)probing, c)cap cyno support. Combat Recon means you can fly in at the head of a combat fleet and jam the **** outta ppl while the main body comes in for pewpew; you have insane base resists!
Any other race recons suk. Caldari ftw!
Much <3
Sil
 Originally by: "Mahrin Skel"
If we're pets, we're not fluffy, yappy little lapdogs. We're the chewed-up junkyard rottweiler BoB uses to keep the kids out of their yard.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.29 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 29/05/2007 10:09:05
Originally by: Rylet VanDorn
Demand has gone down, but so has supply. All the T2 cruiser manufacturers figure it's not worth building falcons/rooks because they suck.
 
You *really* mean that? I mean really? If yes you need some serious reality check.
Hey, I can build a ship for 10 mil which sells for 70 mil with 10-20 of them bought daily in jita, but it sucks, so it's not worth to manufactor it.
Suuuuure. Sounds extremly reasonable. If you would actually bother to check the price history you would see that it iss actually the most bought force recon. Pilgrim, arazu and rapier have less sales/day than it.
Originally by: Rania Serlia
As a side note, a Falcon pilot with recon 4 will get better jam strength in a blackbird than an actual Falcon due to the strength bonus being a recon ships skill bonus.
Only if you ignore the 3rd low which allows it to fit an additional SDA compared to the BB.
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Ashaz
Mindstar Technology
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.05.29 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Morreia
Originally by: Ashaz
stuff
Lol, I'm not sure what your flying but the drones alone from an arazu can over 120dps against hull.
yea. that was my bad. Miscalculated completely. =)
hobgobs + 250mm II with 2x magstabs will do close to 280 dps.
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Ashaz
Mindstar Technology
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.05.29 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Milton Keynes
Edited by: Milton Keynes on 25/05/2007 16:52:49
Originally by: Ashaz
The only reason the caldari won the war over the technologicaly supperior gallente, was cause of their much greater numbers. Read the lore if you're gona use it as arguments.
WTF? Are you trying to be sarcastic?
The Caldari State is (and always has been) MUCH SMALLER than the Gallente Federation. The reason the Caldari-Gallente war ended in a stalemate was because the Caldari were given pod technology by the Jovians.
These allowed them to man their ships with much smaller crews and thereby field as many ships as the Gallente and fight them to a stand still. Also, the pods allowed those Caldari pilots who survived the pod installation procedure (which was much riskier in those early days) to return to the fight in a clone soon after being shot down. As a result the Gallente Federation found itself repeatedly fighting the same pilots and realised that although they might win the war eventually, the cost of doing so would be horrific. So they offered a truce.
After the war ended the commercially minded Caldari sold the Jovian pod technology to the other races.
In conclusion, I quote your own words back at you...
"Read the lore if you're gona use it as arguments."
Wtf? O.o someone in the lore factory must be drunk.
/me searches for the lore I read
matter of fact I think it's in the "smooth voide" in the character creation.
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari
Free Traders
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Posted - 2007.05.29 14:43:00 -
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one little question. I only checked this in the item db on web, but don't the cloaks still feature a reactivation delay ? I did not see a bonus on the falcon to remove this.
so how exactly you do the blink in/out thingie ? I mean 5 sec to be able to lock after uncloak, 2-3 sec to lock with an sb, fire ECM. now you are still 20 sec away from recloaking ???
Originally by: JP Beauregard
The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls.... 
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.29 14:50:00 -
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All recons (the combat recons which usually do not fit a cloak included) and cov ops ships (SBs and cov ops frigs) have as "hidden" bonus only a 5 sec reactivation delay for cloaks
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Emsee
S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.
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Posted - 2007.05.29 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Milton Keynes
Edited by: Milton Keynes on 25/05/2007 16:52:49
Originally by: Ashaz
The only reason the caldari won the war over the technologicaly supperior gallente, was cause of their much greater numbers. Read the lore if you're gona use it as arguments.
WTF? Are you trying to be sarcastic?
The Caldari State is (and always has been) MUCH SMALLER than the Gallente Federation. The reason the Caldari-Gallente war ended in a stalemate was because the Caldari were given pod technology by the Jovians.
These allowed them to man their ships with much smaller crews and thereby field as many ships as the Gallente and fight them to a stand still. Also, the pods allowed those Caldari pilots who survived the pod installation procedure (which was much riskier in those early days) to return to the fight in a clone soon after being shot down. As a result the Gallente Federation found itself repeatedly fighting the same pilots and realised that although they might win the war eventually, the cost of doing so would be horrific. So they offered a truce.
After the war ended the commercially minded Caldari sold the Jovian pod technology to the other races.
In conclusion, I quote your own words back at you...
"Read the lore if you're gona use it as arguments."
The Caldari got pod technology after the war (15 years to be exact), and the war ended because the Gallente encountered the Amarr who they saw as a bigger threat than the Caldari.
In conclusion, I quote your own words back at you...
"Read the lore if you're gona use it as arguments."
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Milton Keynes
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Posted - 2007.06.04 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Milton Keynes on 04/06/2007 14:59:45
Originally by: Emsee
The Caldari got pod technology after the war (15 years to be exact), and the war ended because the Gallente encountered the Amarr who they saw as a bigger threat than the Caldari.
No and Yes.
The war did eventually end for those reasons but the Caldari were only able to hold the Gallente off until then because of their SUPERIOR technology.
Relevant quotes:
http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/aug04.asp
"The drones reversed the tide of the war and now the Caldari were scrambling to come up with a solution against these new weapons. It didnÆt take them that long - they simply upgraded their fighters a bit, added some shields and extra weapons and called the new vessels frigates. Some extra crew was also needed at first, but then the Caldari obtained capsule technology from the Jovians some years later and could again reduce the crew to one on most frigates."
"With frigates the Caldari managed the stem the tide of the advancing Federation and before long stalemate again ensued."
"The matter was finally settled when the Gallenteans came into contact with the Amarr Empire and soon perceived them to be a much greater threat than the Caldari. This propelled them to make a hasty peace."
Also,
http://www.eve-online.com/background/eggers/
"Stories are told of pod pilot heroes flying on the side of the Caldari during the twilight years of the Gallente-Caldari war, executing maneuvers unthinkable to those encumbered with a full crew complement and the bothersome necessity of using vocal commands and hand-eye coordination to steer their vessels. Such pilots were a rare breed, though; because of the technologyÆs inherent dangers, capsule-fitted ships were not yet in mass production and existing models therefore had to be retro-fitted at great effort and expense."
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