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Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.02 13:48:00 -
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Cynosural Siiri wrote:What? Are they really banning lightbulbs? Some serious stupidity going on in the US the last few years. I know they banned them awhile ago in Scandinavia, but figured they had more sense in the USA. But I suppose if they vote in idiots, idiotic policies like this one are what they get.
Only some of them. They made a difference between the clear glass and not clear glass ones. I bought some clear glass regular bulbs yesterday.
The make the bulbs so crappy these days so I need to buy several a year (planned obsolecence ftl).
But did not the new "eco friendly" ones have mercury in them? |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
728
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Posted - 2012.01.02 14:22:00 -
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Tobias Sjodin wrote:I guess Obama is really awesome if the issue of lightbulbs is this big of an issue over there.
The rest of the civilized world are using LED-lamps and low energy lightbulbs that have longer lifetimes. But I guess you're all mad about no longer using typewriters too? I use CFLs because I hate changing light bulbs, but the light produced by CFLs is horrible compared to a good incandescent. There's also the fact that flourescent lights have been found to cause all sorts of problems for people who have difficulties with learning disorders.
Quality LED bulbs aren't available in the local (rural) market due to cost. There just aren't enough people around here willing to invest the money now to get future savings. And I don't like the idea of ordering LEDs online without seeing what kind of light they actually produce. It would cost hundreds of dollars to convert my house and I'd be stuck with a bad set of lights for quite a while. |
Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
19
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Posted - 2012.01.02 17:07:00 -
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Here are the EPA instructions for cleaning up after a broken CFL lightbulb:
http://www.epa.gov/cfl/cflcleanup-detailed.html
Thanks, but I'll take my chances with the old style bulbs. Too much government can be fatal. Name a shrub after me.-á Something prickly and hard to eradicate. |
Sarpadeon
Rebirth Industries
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Posted - 2012.01.02 19:34:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Tobias Sjodin wrote:I guess Obama is really awesome if the issue of lightbulbs is this big of an issue over there.
The rest of the civilized world are using LED-lamps and low energy lightbulbs that have longer lifetimes. But I guess you're all mad about no longer using typewriters too? I use CFLs because I hate changing light bulbs, but the light produced by CFLs is horrible compared to a good incandescent. There's also the fact that flourescent lights have been found to cause all sorts of problems for people who have difficulties with learning disorders. Quality LED bulbs aren't available in the local (rural) market due to cost. There just aren't enough people around here willing to invest the money now to get future savings. And I don't like the idea of ordering LEDs online without seeing what kind of light they actually produce. It would cost hundreds of dollars to convert my house and I'd be stuck with a bad set of lights for quite a while.
so dont be stupid by ordering a whole bunch to start with, order a single one to test, and THEN decide if you want to go LED or wait for the halogen incandescent bulbs to hit local stores. |
Squidgey
Perkone Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.01.02 22:28:00 -
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Live in the US.
Haven't seen a 100W incandescent bulb in years. Hell, my bedroom is florescent. Ant not CFL either. |
SpaceSquirrels
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Posted - 2012.01.03 00:21:00 -
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Lol I love the mercury scare. The actual amount of mercury is so god damn minimal. Don't people remember not to long ago people use to play with mercury in science class? Use to roll that **** around on their bare hands! (HOLY ****! CALL A HAZMAT TEAM!) Somehow that generation survived... And managed to reproduce semi salient off spring. (Course I suppose that's a matter of opinion or point of view).
Then again these are the people that believe sticking sugar water up your ass will prevent brain tumors, Vaccines == the devil (MMR outbreaks in France be damned!) and the same folks that hate seat belt laws. (Though if retards really dont want to wear em who the hell am I to say no? I just dont feel like paying for their stupidity. Me I'll continue to wear mine having been in an accident or 2)
In which case why am i arguing with these people? But honestly can't you make the whole "Slippery slope" argument for anything? You BAN X, Y, Z pretty soon you'll be banning books! or the interwebs!... Or Speech!...or babies... Technically they're not banned btw. |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
305
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Posted - 2012.01.03 01:59:00 -
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Encouraging the use of CFLs is nice and all, but banning incandescents is the wrong way to go about it.
I am actually pretty fond of Akita T's idea myself. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
781
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Posted - 2012.01.03 02:11:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:I hear American citizens die all the time.
That's just dirty North Korean propaganda |
Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
512
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Posted - 2012.01.03 03:00:00 -
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The reason to mandate higher standards is to get us on the right track.
BTW it isn't about just the greenies. Look at the US power grid. It is so old, overloaded, and in dire need of work that a single event on a high use day can knock out an entire region of electrical power.
It is not just one 100W bulb its the millions that get left on for no reason during the day that causes us to produce far more energy than needed and tax our lines to the fullest.
The goal here has to be the mass adoption of LED based lighting. That simply wont happen when clueless people think the 100W edison bulbs that are barely better than the 50s will go on forever. They will get the bulb then complain when they don't save 20-30 USD a year per bulb.
Then we can get away from this "soft white" bs. That is NOT a normal spectrum. Daylight is |
Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
323
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Posted - 2012.01.03 03:09:00 -
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OP is a total moron.
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VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
261
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Posted - 2012.01.03 07:15:00 -
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SpaceSquirrels wrote:But honestly can't you make the whole "Slippery slope" argument for anything? You BAN X, Y, Z pretty soon you'll be banning books! or the interwebs!... Or Speech!...or babies... Technically they're not banned btw.
Yes, but that's because any time the government tries to tell you what to do it IS a slippery slope. Forcing you to move on for ecological reasons COULD lead to banning books.
EDIT-- Stupid censor. ********* below refers to 'weed'. ---
********* is a good example. The government has tried to tell the citizens that they can use some drugs like tobacco and alcohol but not others. ********* is used, grown, 'imported' and socially accepted. Like most issues many people ignore or even misrepresent facts and blindly love or hate the weed and cliques have formed but the majority are with it overall. The government buckles in all directions with high felony minimum of fifty kg or fifty plants and zero to short minimum sentences for non felony infractions. Citizens continue push. Glass industry, small growers, media acceptance.
I'm not saying it's a 'good' situation or making a statement one way or another on the issue of *********. I'm just citing an example on the edge of that slippery slope when the government tells people what they can do or not do, and what it looks like to fight back. It doesn't involve shooting anyone or tearing down government buildings, it involves LOTS of people continuing to do what they will and the government being forced to cope.
The precedent to see is that prohibition was lifted, and ********* still has people going to jail. Behold the slippery slope. The government does not give in to the people as easily or openly as in the past. |
Zedic
Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team
4
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Posted - 2012.01.03 08:48:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:lots of tears about Democrats.
There there,, you're among friends now. Show us on the doll where progress touched you.
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Thomas Gore
Nasranite Watch
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Posted - 2012.01.03 13:46:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Instead of banning the manufacture or use of certain power ratings, they should simply tax them ALL out the wazoo (regardless of wattage) so that the incandescent ones become just as expensive as the other in just about every case. It has the double benefit of allowing people who hate non-incandescents still use incandescents as much as they like (for a price) and brings more cash to the budget. I'd call that a win-win situation.
That would be much too smart for an American goverment to decide.
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Selinate
544
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Posted - 2012.01.03 18:15:00 -
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Thomas Gore wrote:Akita T wrote:Instead of banning the manufacture or use of certain power ratings, they should simply tax them ALL out the wazoo (regardless of wattage) so that the incandescent ones become just as expensive as the other in just about every case. It has the double benefit of allowing people who hate non-incandescents still use incandescents as much as they like (for a price) and brings more cash to the budget. I'd call that a win-win situation. That would be much too smart for an American goverment to decide.
No, it would be a democrat raising taxes, which would blow up in said democrat's face because republicans HATE it when democrats raise taxes.
However, it's so strange that republicans can raise taxes on the working class without even batting an eye lash and their party members don't ***** at all... |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
2692
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Posted - 2012.01.03 18:26:00 -
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I only stocked up on said bulbs so I can resell them, I already swapped over to the new gen CFLs they got them in the 100+ wat range already.
And I am waiting on the LEDs.
Takes about 50 hrs of CFL opertating time to outpace the Incadesent also CFLS have mercury then again most fish do as well.
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Darrow Hill
Perkone Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.01.03 20:41:00 -
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Lithalnas wrote:Do you have a science degree to back up your statements? First you state that energy sources are going to run out, according to publications we have enough coal and natural gas (possibly oil too) here in the united states to last for the next 200-1000 years and that includes population growth.
http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/
I rather enjoy this blog on the topic written by Tom Murphy, associate physics professor UCSanDiego. |
Iosue
UV Heavy Industries STR8NGE BREW
59
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Posted - 2012.01.03 20:45:00 -
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just do what i do, buy halogen. that way you spend more on the bulb and power costs; it's the best of both worlds. hey, you want nice light? gotta pay to play... |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
133
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Posted - 2012.01.04 10:00:00 -
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I still fail to see anyone addressing my point:
If CFLs and LEDs are so great, why is a ban required?
I see post after post asserting how 'superior' the new bulbs are....but very little evidence in terms of sales numbers and market share.
Explain to me why isn't the public buying them? Incandescent bulbs were obviously entrenched - but this doesn't explain how US market share for incandescent bulbs is actually increasing in the last few years, as consumers reject CFLs.
Why is their market share actually going backwards in the United States - if the 'new bulb' is so self-evidently better?
Answer: Because its not. The new bulbs trade energy use for lower quality and increased cost - and most consumers aren't willing to make that trade off.
Its about as intelligent as banning expensive 4-ply toilet paper - forcing people to use the 'green' alternatives that come apart in your hand when you wipe (and then you use twice as much)
Essentially what the green pro-ban people are saying, is screw consumer choice - because of our fairy tale green religion, we have to ration energy use and we will, despite obvious consumer preferences to the contrary. These are the same idiots who talk about how great Electric cars are - but are confused as to why the public doesn't fall over themselves to buy them....instead of the Ford F-150.
Their Solution: Ban the Ford F-150. (or at least, ban the engines that make them a popular choice)
They are no better than those social conservatives that supposedly want to ban books and set up shop in your bedroom in the name of other religions.
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Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
274
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Posted - 2012.01.04 10:22:00 -
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Your original posts reeked of neocon propaganda and rage. However your hatred of our faux green religion and apparent hatred of the far right has caused me to reevaluate your overall message.
A like for you. |
Shadowsword
The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva
109
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Posted - 2012.01.04 10:46:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote: ...stuff...
Dude, I honestly think you could use some psychological attention. You're making a lot of irrationnal generalisations (like claiming that intelligent people are against the ban, and so implying that all "leftists", you you also claim are all for it, are idiots) to support your hatred of Obama and "leftists". It is borderline fanatical reasonning, and much more harmful to your country that a ban on obsolete lighting tech ever will. |
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baltec1
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Posted - 2012.01.04 10:47:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:
I still fail to see anyone addressing my point:
If CFLs and LEDs are so great, why is a ban required?
Because of stupids like you.
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Their Solution: Ban the Ford F-150. (or at least, ban the engines that make them a popular choice)
"Ford has announced that the 302-horsepower 3.7 will serve up 16 miles per gallon in the city and 23 on the highway in rear-wheel drive models, the latter figure making it the most fuel-efficient full-size pickup on the market. Stepping up the next rung to the 5.0-liter V8 will get you 360 horses and a fine 15 city, 21 highway EPA fuel economy rating, another best-in-class figure."
Jesus **** thats horrid. No wonder people over there are losing their homes, all their cash is getting burned up with these things. |
Shadowsword
The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva
109
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Posted - 2012.01.04 11:31:00 -
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For those that don't use a GPM metrics, 16 miles per gallon is equivalent to 14.7 liters per 100km. This is easily four times the fuel usage or a modern european/japanese city car, and this is the most fuel efficient pick-up? Talk about lunacy...
The state should raise the tax on fuel, that would bring some awareness and common sense to the american population. |
VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
264
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Posted - 2012.01.04 12:17:00 -
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16mpg is not the most fuel efficient truck, and it's most certainly not a city measurement. A good truck is more like 25mpg city (9.4L/100km).
And for the record, I'm an American and I drive a Smart ForTwo. I don't actually know my MPG on that. Websites and advertisements vary greatly. I estimated 44mpg (5.4L/100km) last time I counted, but that was brand new and mostly low speed. I work 15min from home. It's probably very difficult for the tiny car to manage on the highway. Efficiency probably goes downhill very quickly there and is what makes the tests vary so much... but I'm speculating. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
207
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Posted - 2012.01.04 12:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:]"Ford has announced that the 302-horsepower 3.7 will serve up 16 miles per gallon in the city and 23 on the highway in rear-wheel drive models, the latter figure making it the most fuel-efficient full-size pickup on the market. Stepping up the next rung to the 5.0-liter V8 will get you 360 horses and a fine 15 city, 21 highway EPA fuel economy rating, another best-in-class figure."
Jesus **** thats horrid. No wonder people over there are losing their homes, all their cash is getting burned up with these things.
The best part of those stupid trucks is the build quality and engineering of the truck and the interior, they are like a vehicle from 1970s Europe. They are so bad even British Leyland wouldn't have made them. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
357
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Posted - 2012.01.04 13:07:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:baltec1 wrote:]"Ford has announced that the 302-horsepower 3.7 will serve up 16 miles per gallon in the city and 23 on the highway in rear-wheel drive models, the latter figure making it the most fuel-efficient full-size pickup on the market. Stepping up the next rung to the 5.0-liter V8 will get you 360 horses and a fine 15 city, 21 highway EPA fuel economy rating, another best-in-class figure."
Jesus **** thats horrid. No wonder people over there are losing their homes, all their cash is getting burned up with these things. The best part of those stupid trucks is the build quality and engineering of the truck and the interior, they are like a vehicle from 1970s Europe. They are so bad even British Leyland wouldn't have made them. what's more is that here in europe, a pickup (which is considered a work car) is usually powered by a diesel engine that provides better fuel efficiency and more torque per litre, which is more important than raw horsepower when you're going offroad and climbing ridges. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Citizen20100211442
Carebear Evolution
27
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Posted - 2012.01.04 13:54:00 -
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Shadowsword wrote:For those that don't use a GPM metrics, 16 miles per gallon is equivalent to 14.7 liters per 100km. This is easily four times the fuel usage or a modern european/japanese city car, and this is the most fuel efficient pick-up? Talk about lunacy...
The state should raise the tax on fuel, that would bring some awareness and common sense to the american population.
I would like to see how you would transport 1.5 tons , or pull trailer into hill with your ***-looking japanese or french car. Also USA is bigger and less infrastructured than Europe, so more universal car is allways good. For comparision poor russians in Siberia drives Ural's and various tracked vehicles even as simple A to B transportation, maybe you want argue with them about economy and convince them to drive Smart? To be, or not to be, that's the question. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
135
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Posted - 2012.01.04 14:02:00 -
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I love it when people only look at horsepower and completely neglect to consider torque. You know, the other white meat?
American large displacement engines have it three times as much of it as an equivalent horsepower Euro engine.
Its why your run of the mill Chrysler 300 will mop the floor with an expensive BMW M3 at the drag strip without breaking a sweat.
You can't replace displacement. End of story, unless you think a pint of fuel holds more stored energy than a gallon of fuel.
Smaller displacement European engines can increase their power through higher compression, variable timing, and short stroke - but that opens a whole can of worms which you may or may not want to deal with.
-Higher compression means higher octane rating fuel to prevent predet. -Higher compression causes more chamber violence, more maintenence, and leads to performance losses over time as rings suffer. -Variable timing ads a layer of complexity - and a layer of extra maint costs. -Shorter stroke, more revs. More revs = more wear and tear on the engine = shorter lifespan and faster degredation of performance. 50K miles down the road, European power levels will drop much further than an equivalent Domestic.
My point is this: European engines are smaller, achieve respectable amounts of power using less fuel. But that comes at a cost of higher complexity, higher price, higher maintenance costs, lower torque and a narrower 'powerband'.
Now that is a lot of crap to think about when us "Meerikans" (*spit*) can simply make an engine with a wider torque curve, that allows for lower engine rpm to be sustained in high gear, yielding excellent fuel economy, while still allowing it to pull like hell on top. Oh and guess what. No variable mechanical timing, no high compression ratios, no numerous valves, no tons of camshafts, no dismal powerband, and actual block/component strength.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
207
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Posted - 2012.01.04 14:05:00 -
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Citizen20100211442 wrote:Shadowsword wrote:For those that don't use a GPM metrics, 16 miles per gallon is equivalent to 14.7 liters per 100km. This is easily four times the fuel usage or a modern european/japanese city car, and this is the most fuel efficient pick-up? Talk about lunacy...
The state should raise the tax on fuel, that would bring some awareness and common sense to the american population. I would like to see how you would transport 1.5 tons , or pull trailer into hill with your ***-looking japanese or french car. Also USA is bigger and less infrastructured than Europe, so more universal car is allways good. For comparision poor russians in Siberia drives Ural's and various tracked vehicles even as simple A to B transportation, maybe you want argue with them about economy and convince them to drive Smart?
Sure people might need something that can carry stuff around, still doesn't explain the fact that they are inefficient and crudely made. |
baltec1
425
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Posted - 2012.01.04 15:13:00 -
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Get a ford transit van. Not only will it carry more but it will also do around 40 MPG. |
Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
53
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Posted - 2012.01.04 17:57:00 -
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Quote:Sure people might need something that can carry stuff around, still doesn't explain the fact that they are inefficient and crudely made.
Uhhhmm.. When was the last time you were in a new pickup? They are very nice on the inside and ride like a Cadillac. They are some of the nicest vehicles on the road from a comfort perspective not to mention the utility of them. |
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