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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 10:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Trass
Edited by: Trass on 25/05/2007 20:30:03
Edited by: Trass on 25/05/2007 20:28:25
Originally by: Xeliya
There are 2 options here;
Option 1) Reduce the Capital Shield Mods CPU by 50%.
Option 2) Greatly increase the CPU on all Caldari Caps. (20% atleast)
Option 3) Drop that 3 Power Diagnostic System, and put Co-Procesor's on one of 4 low slots (you have med slot tank).
BTW Chimera have one slot more for tank (than thanatos for example), and you have great resists bonus to tank. And you want more? Nothing for free mate.
Stupid suggestion to be honest. Chimera does NOT have more slots than the thanatos (6/5 vs 4/7) and that resistances are the counterpart for damagebonus on the Thanatos, so there's no advantage. Moreover actually the Thanatos has more slots, because cap rechargers > power diagnostics. Only cap power relays beat the rechargers ... but wait ... they have a shieldboost malus. So why the heck should the Chimera waste even more lowslots only to have the option to fit decent modules, makes no sense. I think if "nothing is for free" as you say the thanatos should get a serious powergrid issue, to keep things in line.
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FCDP
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.05.31 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Chronus26
Grand total: 875 CPU / 968.75 CPU - 93.75 CPU to fit 6 Mids and 4 Lows.
A single T2 Hardener alone takes up 44 CPU. Still think theres no problem here?
It's quite clear that the idea of having to use fitting mods such as CPU upgrades on a Capital is quite ridiculas. It would appear Capitals like the Chimera require some re-tuning of their fitting support, seeing as their power-grid isn't nearly close to being fully used in comparison to their CPU support.
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Chewan Mesa
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Chronus26
You overlook the fact that even if you don't attempt to fit Sensor Boosters and Warp Scramblers, you still cannot fill all your slots without 1-2 Co-Processors.
There is no denying there is an issue here, let me explain simply:
Chimera CPU with Electronics 5: 968.75 TF
2x Capital Shield Transporters: 350 CPU
3x Drone Control Units: 225 CPU
1x Capital Shield Booster: 300 CPU
Grand total: 875 CPU / 968.75 CPU - 93.75 CPU to fit 6 Mids and 4 Lows.
A single T2 Hardener alone takes up 44 CPU. Still think theres no problem here?
That sums it up pretty well. Thank god I'm not flying a Chimera.
I would rather have the chimera boosted in CPU than the mods get a cpu-reduction though, would be more inline with the other carriers.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.05.31 10:07:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 31/05/2007 10:07:38
I am about to fly a chimera and while its tight, i dont forsee much problems provided you get faction invu fields. More on that when i get the skill to use capital shield boosters, though.
If CCP reduced the CPU usage of capital remote shield transporters by like 50%, it'd be awhole lot better.
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Xeliya
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.31 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Chewan Mesa
I would rather have the chimera boosted in CPU than the mods get a cpu-reduction though, would be more inline with the other carriers.
Problem is then the rest of the Caldari ships need more CPU too along with Minmatar have the choice to shield tank but not near enough CPU. Where if you just reduce the Capital SHield mods CPU by 50% that is another 150-200+ CPU opened up.
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Icome4u
Caldari
Dark and Light inc.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:06:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Sokratesz
Edited by: Sokratesz on 31/05/2007 10:07:38
I am about to fly a chimera and while its tight, i dont forsee much problems provided you get faction invu fields. More on that when i get the skill to use capital shield boosters, though.
If CCP reduced the CPU usage of capital remote shield transporters by like 50%, it'd be awhole lot better.
Fly one and u will see how TIGHT the cpu is.
Having to spend a extra couple hundred million isk to do the same job as t2 = not fun/normal.
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Originally by: Vyger
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Damned Force
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Posted - 2007.06.01 10:49:00 -
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Why are u surprised on the CPU problem of caldari capitals? Caldari ships are the worst in the game except of PVE. They have CPU problems. They cant fit EW if want have decent tank, They have poor DPS mostly, They have crappy bonuses(+kin damage), The top implant set dont work on they capitals, They are hited worst by anti EW modules(eccm is more powerfull as the others), the cap=life hits caldari the worst(all other races can fit cap rech or cap booster what have just + without nerfing they tank, a caldai needs loose max cap so loose buffer or loose shield boost, or tank if he want more cap), even all last new features are worst for caldari as for other races(armor rep rig add +rep ammount for same cap, shield boost rig redyuce cycle on ships which can hard without this permatank, or the overload have the same work). The lag hits shield tankers mostly too( if u run a dual repper in lag u have chance that 1 would be disabled and the secund tank some after this too, by a shieldbooster if it shut down u a out).
Just the most pvp pilots flying gallente and dont want any race to equal. And devs are too blind to see what they do, they going just after nerf whinning.
So u can ask what u want, u would not get. Just make as i did or all others too, better train for another race for pvp(in cap ships too)
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Axhind
Caldari
Ex Coelis
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Posted - 2007.06.01 11:20:00 -
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I would agree that Caldari ships suck for PvP. Drake (that everyone is whining about) can tank and that's it. It's totally useless in PvP except for tanking and that works only if the opposing FC is stupid and falls for "oh shinny" thing.
I guess that they really are for us empire dwellers. Great for missions and suck at everything else (with few specialised exceptions).
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stoneyharrie2
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:03:00 -
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caldari are never ment to do pvp, 1 scrambler or webber and some nosses
but they deal hard dmg, like ravens do
if you want to pvp get an armor tanker
i have no problem using 3 missiles, siege, capital booster and t2 tank,, 1 cpu, 1 bcu and 1 dmg control,, all seems to fit :)
if you fit it with faction/deadspace a dread wouldnt need cpu too..
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Damned Force
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:17:00 -
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U right, the raven can have good damage, but nothing special. U can fit a lot of BCU, t2 siege launchers and painters, webbers and u get around 800DPS and u have a full gank BS with poor tank. Oh wait the same can do the Blastethorn or a Gankeddon, just with +30-40% DPS. and u sux ahgain in a caldari ship :)
And yes u can armortank and fit EW, but see on the armor tank of a caldari ship and an other race, the diff is big, and than u have even less DPS
As u sad caldari is not for PVP, but what kind of negative discrimination is this? I go to Koppenhaag :P
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Xeliya
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: stoneyharrie2
i have no problem using 3 missiles, siege, capital booster and t2 tank,, 1 cpu, 1 bcu and 1 dmg control,, all seems to fit :)
if you fit it with faction/deadspace a dread wouldnt need cpu too..
It's not the point that it fits with a CPU or expensive faction gear that is just as good as T2 just less CPU. It's the point no other race's capital needs a CPU upgrade or RCU which in terms is a wasted slot.
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Ozstar
Naughty 40
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Posted - 2007.06.01 21:52:00 -
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Can the muppets who are spouting crap about Caldari being inferior and "train another race" please just gtfo.
Back on topic, i agree with the OP - the CPU requirements for the shield modules are way too high and need looking at.
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Incantare
Caldari
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.02 00:26:00 -
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Edited by: Incantare on 02/06/2007 00:26:11
Originally by: stoneyharrie2
caldari are never ment to do pvp
If Caldari capital ships aren't meant to PvP what are they for? Upcoming level 5 missions? No thanks.
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Alexi Borizkova
Caldari
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.06.02 01:27:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Xeliya
if you just reduce the Capital SHield mods CPU by 50% that is another 150-200+ CPU opened up.
You are aware that would make it use significgantly less cpu than the x-large II, right? THe fitting on that thing is just ridiculous.
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Icome4u
Caldari
Dark and Light inc.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.02 01:58:00 -
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Errr noobs we are talking about caldari capital ships. WTF does ewar have anything to do in this? If you fit your dread/carrier for ewar then just quit eve tbh.
CAPITAL shield modules (aka booster, transporter) need a CPU reduction because they use to much of it.
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Originally by: Vyger
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Axhind
Caldari
Ex Coelis
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Posted - 2007.06.02 02:31:00 -
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We are talking about Caps true but it seems that caldari are gimped for PvP end of story. The capital fits that have problems are PvP ones. I'm sure that caldari caps will be ok for missions but it's not the way I would like to use my capital ship.
Especially considering that CCP is always whining about lack of PvP and than gimp one race (the most used one at that) to basically PvE and not much more (with few exceptions).
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Xeliya
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.02 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: Xeliya on 02/06/2007 02:35:53
Originally by: Alexi Borizkova
Originally by: Xeliya
if you just reduce the Capital SHield mods CPU by 50% that is another 150-200+ CPU opened up.
You are aware that would make it use significgantly less cpu than the x-large II, right? THe fitting on that thing is just ridiculous.
You are also aware the Raven only has 75 less CPU then the Chimera? So what if it is less then the X-L it still can't fit on anything thats not a Cap due to PG req's.
The only other option would be to go in and bump all Caldari caps and Minmatar caps CPU up. Caldari by about 50% and Mini by about 25% which is more work then just cutting 2 mods CPU in half.
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Erfnam
Time Cube Syndicate
Ghosts Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.02 15:49:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Trass
Edited by: Trass on 25/05/2007 21:02:24
If u want to have on board dual sensor booster, web, scrambl, why u choose caldari capitals?
Answer is on your screenshots. U want med slots for toys? Then you need armor tanked carrier (Achron or Thanatos). Sorry mate, caldari isn't a drone race (np fighter dmg bonus), and armor tanked race (shield tank).
You are correct and wrong in the same statement. Gallente are the drone race. Drone being an unmanned weapon controlled by the ship. Caldari on the other hand are the fighter race. They were the first to use fighters (manned ships) to match the gallente's use of drones. It's all stated very clearly in the backstory. For RP reasons, the thanatos should lose its damage boost and get a tanking one and the chimera should get a boost to its fighters.
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Alexi Borizkova
Caldari
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.06.02 18:23:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Xeliya
Edited by: Xeliya on 02/06/2007 02:35:53
Originally by: Alexi Borizkova
Originally by: Xeliya
if you just reduce the Capital SHield mods CPU by 50% that is another 150-200+ CPU opened up.
You are aware that would make it use significgantly less cpu than the x-large II, right? THe fitting on that thing is just ridiculous.
You are also aware the Raven only has 75 less CPU then the Chimera? So what if it is less then the X-L it still can't fit on anything thats not a Cap due to PG req's.
The only other option would be to go in and bump all Caldari caps and Minmatar caps CPU up. Caldari by about 50% and Mini by about 25% which is more work then just cutting 2 mods CPU in half.
It takes officer RCUs, but you can get a cap shield booster on a maelstrom.
However, I only mentioned it for consistency's sake, as you said the tiny little battleship has 75 less cpu than the carrier, that would make more sense to address. Especially since changing the stats is an easy fix, whether it is one module or four ships.
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violator2k5
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:00:00 -
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i didnt read all the posts just the first few.... the cpu / pwr grid use for the shield tank isnt a issue as you can see by your own fitting that you can still get everything on there you want. my main concern about the chimera is the new nickname ive heard it being called lately.
chimera = pocket carrier
when compared to the other carriers its a midget and does not really stand out, couldnt it be possible to increase its size at all so it fits in a bit more. i dont really like the idea of piloting something so expensive yet its still rather small. when comparing it to the rokh its barely no bigger then that
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B Glorious
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:02:00 -
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I wouldn't be opposed to a slight CPU need reduction on capital shield boosters.
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Ozstar
Naughty 40
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Posted - 2007.06.02 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Ozstar on 02/06/2007 20:39:50
Originally by: violator2k5
i didnt read all the posts just the first few.... the cpu / pwr grid use for the shield tank isnt a issue as you can see by your own fitting that you can still get everything on there you want. my main concern about the chimera is the new nickname ive heard it being called lately.
chimera = pocket carrier
when compared to the other carriers its a midget and does not really stand out, couldnt it be possible to increase its size at all so it fits in a bit more. i dont really like the idea of piloting something so expensive yet its still rather small. when comparing it to the rokh its barely no bigger then that
This is an old, old issue - Happy Reading
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Malitest
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Posted - 2007.06.02 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: Malitest on 02/06/2007 23:13:01
Upps
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Malitest
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Posted - 2007.06.02 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: violator2k5
i didnt read all the posts just the first few.... the cpu / pwr grid use for the shield tank isnt a issue as you can see by your own fitting that you can still get everything on there you want. my main concern about the chimera is the new nickname ive heard it being called lately.
chimera = pocket carrier
when compared to the other carriers its a midget and does not really stand out, couldnt it be possible to increase its size at all so it fits in a bit more. i dont really like the idea of piloting something so expensive yet its still rather small. when comparing it to the rokh its barely no bigger then that
Point is still that for chimera you need faction gear to be able to fit everything while armour tanking versions can fit everything with no need for faction gear.
On the size thing I fully agree but as said that is old thing and I doubt that CCP cares enough. After all Caldari are PvE race and who cares how the ships look like...
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Alexi Borizkova
Caldari
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.06.02 23:37:00 -
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I believe it is much larger on singularity currently, or so I've heard. I might be mistaken, but that's what I've heard.
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Xeliya
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.03 01:23:00 -
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Yes the size is fixed on SiSi so come Kali 2 it will be the big carrier with a little CPU
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Icome4u
Caldari
Dark and Light inc.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.03 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: violator2k5
i didnt read all the posts just the first few.... the cpu / pwr grid use for the shield tank isnt a issue as you can see by your own fitting that you can still get everything on there you want. my main concern about the chimera is the new nickname ive heard it being called lately.
chimera = pocket carrier
when compared to the other carriers its a midget and does not really stand out, couldnt it be possible to increase its size at all so it fits in a bit more. i dont really like the idea of piloting something so expensive yet its still rather small. when comparing it to the rokh its barely no bigger then that
\o/ Chimera size bug is fix and live on SISI.
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Originally by: Vyger
If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
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Axhind
Caldari
Ex Coelis
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Posted - 2007.06.03 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Xeliya
Yes the size is fixed on SiSi so come Kali 2 it will be the big carrier with a little CPU
Yea I could kinda live with the size if the fitting possibilities would match other carriers. Getting a big ship without being able to fit it is kinda hollow victory :(
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Drazhar Kain
Alpha Production Technologies
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.03 20:25:00 -
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With max skills, a full faction tank, and PDU II's on the lows.... Fitting a TS Smartbomb, Drone control unit, Shield and energy transfer, you have no CPU for the 5th slot.
Full faction tank! We're talking at least 50-60cpu lower than a t2 tank. If you even try to fit a t2 tank, you might as well leave your highs empty, or at least, don't fit any remote transfers.... pointless, without CPU Mods.
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Kern Walzky
Caldari
Tenacious Danes
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.06.07 09:53:00 -
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Its a sad thing the Chimera...cant fit anything real good 
buff the CPU abit...we only want it to be more balanced compared to other carriers !
Please CCP
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