Originally by: dooh

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I love it how this thread is ignored, but instead we get a dev-blog about shield xfering logistics being too powerful compared to remote armor repping ones, so they get a boost, and use less cap then shield xfers because they have a grand 5 sec delay for the boost.

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Originally by: Jinmie

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Edited by: Jinmie on 11/06/2007 00:31:12
It's hardly fine when Phoenix's need to use a co-processor too, I don't see them trying to mount a capital remote shield rep yet they still have CPu issues, its clearly a CPU issue for all caldari capitals.

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Originally by: filthierfem

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And it'd be nice to hear what the balancing team thinks about the issue.

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Originally by: Lord Loom

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Originally by: filthierfem

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And it'd be nice to hear what the balancing team thinks about the issue.

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if they're about as quick as they were (ahem) with implementing Khanid Mk.II I'd say we can expect a fix to caldari capitals within the next 2 years

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Originally by: KingBobs Dawn

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there is no problem with caldarie caps the problem is only the cpu usage of this Capital shield booster

the cpu usage of this Capital Shield booster should 50% reduced

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• Not enough CPU to fit 2x damage mods (as all other dreads can)


• Nature of shield tanking means in lag the shield tank is impossible to manage but a double capital rep can be managed


• Has gimped capacitor compared to other dreadnoughts (as other dreads need capacitor to fire so have higher base capacity), so takes longer to jump


• Citadel torpedoes are slow and phoenix cannot fit Sensor booster due to midslot tank, making its actual DPS (already lowest of the dreads by significant margin) lower (to those not in the know, this is because entering siege clears all locked targets, and locking tower takes 30 seconds)

• Good cargo hold


• Torps are effective on Battleships that are webbed/painted


• Adequate drone bay

Originally by: Kaben

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Originally by: KingBobs Dawn

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there is no problem with caldarie caps the problem is only the cpu usage of this Capital shield booster

the cpu usage of this Capital Shield booster should 50% reduced

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I can't really see too much of a prob here, I'm not a capitol pilot but I can still run numbers.

The stats in the pic are correct but don't show the attributes. i.e. the fact that a cap shield boost boosts every 10s and cap armor rep does 30. Now saying that said cap armor rep pilot has rank 4 in skill this drops it to 24s. So the shield booster can boost 2.4 times in the time it takes for armor rep. Shield hp boost will be 15360 hp that's with equation of 6400 x 2.4 (this is without shield boost amp). the armor pilot in this time will rep 9600 hp. Now most of the armor tanked pilots I have talked to use 2 cap armor reps.

Now considering both pilots (shield/armor) will probably have a dcu, hence the armor tank instantly sacs one tank slot while the caldari/minnie pilot doesn't sac a tank slot + the armor pilot sacs two tank slots for cap armor reps to get a little better rep compared to single repped shield tank (note, this is without shield boost amp).

Now comparing this.
2x Cap armor reps: 150cpu/250,000pg
1x Cap Shield Boost: 300cpu/75,000pg

Now the tank looks like this, chimera has 6 mid slots to play with and 3x lows. The thantos has 3 lows and 5 mids. Now take away 2 slots for sensor boost. this leaves 4 mids for shield tanking on chimera and 3 mids/3lows on thantos. I'm not seeing too much of a prob here. As seen an armor tank with the cap armor reps will be using slightly more then 3x the grid of the shield tank but only 1/2 the cpu.

Though I could be wrong as I don't fly capitols, there might be a issue with the shield maintentance x-fers, idk, but I don't see an issue with the capitol reps themselves.

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Originally by: Lady Caeser

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Originally by: Kaben

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Originally by: KingBobs Dawn

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there is no problem with caldarie caps the problem is only the cpu usage of this Capital shield booster

the cpu usage of this Capital Shield booster should 50% reduced

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I can't really see too much of a prob here, I'm not a capitol pilot but I can still run numbers.

The stats in the pic are correct but don't show the attributes. i.e. the fact that a cap shield boost boosts every 10s and cap armor rep does 30. Now saying that said cap armor rep pilot has rank 4 in skill this drops it to 24s. So the shield booster can boost 2.4 times in the time it takes for armor rep. Shield hp boost will be 15360 hp that's with equation of 6400 x 2.4 (this is without shield boost amp). the armor pilot in this time will rep 9600 hp. Now most of the armor tanked pilots I have talked to use 2 cap armor reps.

Now considering both pilots (shield/armor) will probably have a dcu, hence the armor tank instantly sacs one tank slot while the caldari/minnie pilot doesn't sac a tank slot + the armor pilot sacs two tank slots for cap armor reps to get a little better rep compared to single repped shield tank (note, this is without shield boost amp).

Now comparing this.
2x Cap armor reps: 150cpu/250,000pg
1x Cap Shield Boost: 300cpu/75,000pg

Now the tank looks like this, chimera has 6 mid slots to play with and 3x lows. The thantos has 3 lows and 5 mids. Now take away 2 slots for sensor boost. this leaves 4 mids for shield tanking on chimera and 3 mids/3lows on thantos. I'm not seeing too much of a prob here. As seen an armor tank with the cap armor reps will be using slightly more then 3x the grid of the shield tank but only 1/2 the cpu.

Though I could be wrong as I don't fly capitols, there might be a issue with the shield maintentance x-fers, idk, but I don't see an issue with the capitol reps themselves.

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Phoenix Chimera can't fit 2nd booster in the way that armor tankers can fit 2nd repper.

For this reason, caldari caps fit a t2 shield boost amplifier. With maxed skills, there is less than a 1% difference in boost amount over time compared these 2 methods.

In fact, a triple rep capital out-tanks a 2x shield boost amp caldari capital over time due to stacking penalty, although this is also at 30% less capacitor cost.

This is why when comparing tanking on end-game ships, one must have understanding of what the fishticks one is talking about :)

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Originally by: Celesta Croft

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The 50 cpu boost for the chimera is inconsequential, they either need to boost it more or tweak the remote shield transfer array.

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Originally by: Kaben

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Edited by: Kaben on 10/08/2007 05:22:15
Edited by: Kaben on 10/08/2007 05:19:15

Originally by: Lady Caeser

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Originally by: Kaben

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Originally by: KingBobs Dawn

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there is no problem with caldarie caps the problem is only the cpu usage of this Capital shield booster

the cpu usage of this Capital Shield booster should 50% reduced

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I can't really see too much of a prob here, I'm not a capitol pilot but I can still run numbers. Not to mention most carrier pilots don't bring a carrier on to the front line, hence the reason they can assign drones from a safespot, so there might be a carrier pilot who will use triple armor boost, I doubt it though.

The stats in the pic are correct but don't show the attributes. i.e. the fact that a cap shield boost boosts every 10s and cap armor rep does 30. Now saying that said cap armor rep pilot has rank 4 in skill this drops it to 24s. So the shield booster can boost 2.4 times in the time it takes for armor rep. Shield hp boost will be 15360 hp that's with equation of 6400 x 2.4 (this is without shield boost amp). the armor pilot in this time will rep 9600 hp. Now most of the armor tanked pilots I have talked to use 2 cap armor reps.

Now considering both pilots (shield/armor) will probably have a dcu, hence the armor tank instantly sacs one tank slot while the caldari/minnie pilot doesn't sac a tank slot + the armor pilot sacs two tank slots for cap armor reps to get a little better rep compared to single repped shield tank (note, this is without shield boost amp).

Now comparing this.
2x Cap armor reps: 150cpu/250,000pg
1x Cap Shield Boost: 300cpu/75,000pg

Now the tank looks like this, chimera has 6 mid slots to play with and 3x lows. The thantos has 3 lows and 5 mids. Now take away 2 slots for sensor boost. this leaves 4 mids for shield tanking on chimera and 3 mids/3lows on thantos. I'm not seeing too much of a prob here. As seen an armor tank with the cap armor reps will be using slightly more then 3x the grid of the shield tank but only 1/2 the cpu.

Though I could be wrong as I don't fly capitols, there might be a issue with the shield maintentance x-fers, idk, but I don't see an issue with the capitol reps themselves.

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Phoenix Chimera can't fit 2nd booster in the way that armor tankers can fit 2nd repper.

For this reason, caldari caps fit a t2 shield boost amplifier. With maxed skills, there is less than a 1% difference in boost amount over time compared these 2 methods.

In fact, a triple rep capital out-tanks a 2x shield boost amp caldari capital over time due to stacking penalty, although this is also at 30% less capacitor cost.

This is why when comparing tanking on end-game ships, one must have understanding of what the fishticks one is talking about :)

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obviously you didn't read, a single cap shield booster with a boost amplifier reps the same amount as two cap armor reps. Most carrier pilots usually aren't on the front line, they are usually in safespots assigning drones to players who are in the front lines. So I'm sure some have but I doubt you'd see too many triple armor repped armor tanks.

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