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Cheng Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.28 03:57:00 - [3811] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Cheng As I've stated before, I don't care if someone has a dev/gm friend on his contact list. They are friends. Do you know what that is? And plus, how is it a advantige that he has some dev on his msn list? - I'd say it's a advantige to have someone who trusts you enough to even tell you that he is a dev. This is not proof of any ingame cheating. WTF man? You don't see how someone having the ability to bypass the petition process is cheating? How about if he talks about a bug that's affecting everyone, and he gets fixed first? Even not going into the infinite possibilities for even unintentional cheating (by gathering information about Eve or future patches that otherwise cannot be gotten), bypassing the petition system by directly contacting a Dev/GM is 100% most assuredly cheating. How is that not cheating? Liang Don't you "wtf man" me So what if he gets a bug fixed that's affecting everyone? Everyone wins right? lol I have never said that bypassing the petition is okay. But I don't think it's cheating.. --- Reikoku for snip Don't do that. -Rauth life. My sig got nerfed :( waaaaaaaaah!
Cheng Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:00:00 - [3812] Edited by: Cheng on 28/05/2007 04:00:40 Originally by: Krumpit Originally by: Cheng Edited by: Cheng on 28/05/2007 03:32:19 Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: Cheng The investigation has revealed that CCP SharkB. was infact doing his job. There was a petition even though Darkstar1 lied there was none. And the petition was not deleted. - So I wonder what else is false in that "Open Letter" ? It's always handy when the accused are also the judges. Don't trust the IA, then stfu and leave the game. Why are you talking here like you care when you don't trust the IA ? You are not helping anyone.. OFF TOPIC Btw, aren't you the one who got pwnd by Molle? OFF TOPIC It's quite simple really. "Once bitten, twice shy" You weren't bitten once yet, T20 was in your alliance. So you don't care, as you continually say. Everyone else was bitten. I do care becoz he cheated... - And it did affect me. First I got a little dissappointed. But I got over it. So should the rest of EvE. And it affected me that now (mostly) everyone has this false impression about BoB and (mostly) everyone thinks that every player in BoB is a cheater. And I don't like being called a cheater. EDIT stupid typo EDIT --- Reikoku for snip Don't do that. -Rauth life. My sig got nerfed :( waaaaaaaaah!
Jonas Vance Orion's Nebula	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:01:00 - [3813] Originally by: Cheng As I've stated before, I don't care if someone has a dev/gm friend on his contact list. They are friends. Do you know what that is? And plus, how is it a advantige that he has some dev on his msn list? - I'd say it's a advantige to have someone who trusts you enough to even tell you that he is a dev. This is not proof of any ingame cheating. Again, having a dev on MSN doesn't prove you have cheated. But it certainly would be easy to do it having the means now would it. It's like playing a casino in which you are friends with the dealer. If you walk out every day with a pile of money people would probably get suspicious. The fact that you were good friends with the dealer doesn't prove he helped you cheat. But it sure wouldn't make the other patrons happy if they found out that he did help you cheat.
Krumpit Caldari Madness of Crowds	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:03:00 - [3814] Originally by: Cheng Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Cheng As I've stated before, I don't care if someone has a dev/gm friend on his contact list. They are friends. Do you know what that is? And plus, how is it a advantige that he has some dev on his msn list? - I'd say it's a advantige to have someone who trusts you enough to even tell you that he is a dev. This is not proof of any ingame cheating. WTF man? You don't see how someone having the ability to bypass the petition process is cheating? How about if he talks about a bug that's affecting everyone, and he gets fixed first? Even not going into the infinite possibilities for even unintentional cheating (by gathering information about Eve or future patches that otherwise cannot be gotten), bypassing the petition system by directly contacting a Dev/GM is 100% most assuredly cheating. How is that not cheating? Liang Don't you "wtf man" me So what if he gets a bug fixed that's affecting everyone? Everyone wins right? lol I have never said that bypassing the petition is okay. But I don't think it's cheating.. No, - the bug that is affecting a specific alliance at that time gets fixed right away, because they have dev friends. You may not gain an advantage through out of game mean, it bears repeating, I think.
Cheng Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:04:00 - [3815] Originally by: Jonas Vance Originally by: Cheng As I've stated before, I don't care if someone has a dev/gm friend on his contact list. They are friends. Do you know what that is? And plus, how is it a advantige that he has some dev on his msn list? - I'd say it's a advantige to have someone who trusts you enough to even tell you that he is a dev. This is not proof of any ingame cheating. Again, having a dev on MSN doesn't prove you have cheated. But it certainly would be easy to do it having the means now would it. It's like playing a casino in which you are friends with the dealer. If you walk out every day with a pile of money people would probably get suspicious. The fact that you were good friends with the dealer doesn't prove he helped you cheat. But it sure wouldn't make the other patrons happy if they found out that he did help you cheat. "Again, having a dev on MSN doesn't prove you have cheated" - I rest my case. And also, your metaphor just doesn't work, sorry. You can't just always say "if this", "if that", "if he did that", "if you did that", "if.....", "if....". Just endless of "if..". --- Reikoku for snip Don't do that. -Rauth life. My sig got nerfed :( waaaaaaaaah!
Etien Aldragoran GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:05:00 - [3816] Strange how the most damaging issue brought up with this to-do is still unresolved, and will probably be swept under the carpet. The fact that BoB actually seems proud of their part in it is more damaging still. HOW can you idiots feel that trading on your so-called "friends" honor, by involving them in these matters outside the correct channels of contact, is a good thing to do? If I had friends like you, we wouldn't be friends for very long, because you people who FLAUNT your connections are *****s of the N'th degree. And on such petty bull** too. How can you call yourselves the Devs/GM's friends when you expose them to at LEAST the illusion of impropriety by continuing on like you do.
Krumpit Caldari Madness of Crowds	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:06:00 - [3817] Originally by: Cheng I do care becoz he cheated... - And it did affect me. First I got a little dissappointed. But I got over it. So should the rest of EvE. Circular argument. You only care because he was found out. If he wasn't found out, you wouldn't care.
Cheng Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:10:00 - [3818] Originally by: Krumpit Originally by: Cheng I do care becoz he cheated... - And it did affect me. First I got a little dissappointed. But I got over it. So should the rest of EvE. Circular argument. You only care because he was found out. If he wasn't found out, you wouldn't care. Well.. Yes basicly. - I don't care as long the dev is playing fair. When people cheat, it always comes out. Always --- Reikoku for snip Don't do that. -Rauth life. My sig got nerfed :( waaaaaaaaah!
Krumpit Caldari Madness of Crowds	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:12:00 - [3819] Originally by: Cheng Originally by: Krumpit Originally by: Cheng I do care becoz he cheated... - And it did affect me. First I got a little dissappointed. But I got over it. So should the rest of EvE. Circular argument. You only care because he was found out. If he wasn't found out, you wouldn't care. Well.. Yes basicly. - I don't care as long the dev is playing fair. When people cheat, it always comes out. Always As I said, once bitten (T20), twice shy.... Your naievite is touching, the rest of us aren't so trusting, because, oh yeah, once bitten...
Gee Lok	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:13:00 - [3820] Originally by: Rikeka Thing is we only hear about BoB connections with CCP. We all know those connections exist on aother alliances or entities too, but may be they are smarter and hide it better... :D I don't think that bob are worse at hiding it. It is more that their enemies are much better at advertising it. This whole affair is a good example of that.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:17:00 - [3821] You can't possibly, by any stretch of the word 'logic', expect people to not find it suspicious when people in an alliance which has been proved to have gained an advantage from a cheating dev, claim to have friends who are devs. I mean that would be a little bit out there. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Sahriah BloodStone	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:17:00 - [3822] Excuse me for not being up-to-date on this but what exactly happened that was bad? From what ive read Sharbait entered a corp to fix a bug and it was fixed *confused
Cheng Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:18:00 - [3823] Quote: Your naievite is touching, the rest of us aren't so trusting, because, oh yeah, once bitten... So I'm naive because I tend to trust people? - People should trust one another more often, the world would be a much better place. --- Reikoku for snip Don't do that. -Rauth life. My sig got nerfed :( waaaaaaaaah!
Krumpit Caldari Madness of Crowds	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:22:00 - [3824] Originally by: Gee Lok Originally by: Rikeka Thing is we only hear about BoB connections with CCP. We all know those connections exist on aother alliances or entities too, but may be they are smarter and hide it better... :D I don't think that bob are worse at hiding it. It is more that their enemies are much better at advertising it. This whole affair is a good example of that. Another fantastic argument. Bob is an alliance. All alliances are the same. Evidence exists that Bob cheated. Therefore all alliances cheat, to the same level as Bob, and the absence of evidence for this is simply due to the fact that their enemies are better advertisers.
raven415 Caldari Special Projects Corp	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:26:00 - [3825] ccp you have my full support however my mind has already been made up by the goons. the goons have made it all up. it proves what loosers they are qed
Krumpit Caldari Madness of Crowds	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:29:00 - [3826] Originally by: Cheng Quote: Your naievite is touching, the rest of us aren't so trusting, because, oh yeah, once bitten... So I'm naive because I tend to trust people? - People should trust one another more often, the world would be a much better place. No, - the world would be a worse place if people trusted cheats, knowing that they were cheats. It would be called negligence.
Zesuth	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:31:00 - [3827] Talking to your friends who have later become CCP employees on MSN = understandable and just fine in every way. Talking to your friends who have later become CCP employees on MSN about EVE as Dianabolic admitted even if there has been no abuse or information leaks = unacceptable, completely unprofessional and something that absolutely should change. Even if all these accusations in the open letter prove to be misunderstandings and/or completely baseless, the way CCP handles player-employee relations must change if they intend to keep my money. They have to take these things more seriously and create a strict policy on unofficial communication between players and employees such as MSN. It doesn't matter if Dianabolic or any other players have received insider information or preferential treatment or not, the mere appearance that there is something dubious going on here is enough to hurt the company significantly. I don't think there's been a lot of people who have quit over this issue. I'm taking a firm wait-and-see approach and there just isn't anything like EVE on the market. I'm most certain, however, that by further eroding the public image of EVE CCP will feel this incident in their wallets when it comes to new players joining the game.
Cheng Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:33:00 - [3828] Originally by: Krumpit Originally by: Cheng Quote: Your naievite is touching, the rest of us aren't so trusting, because, oh yeah, once bitten... So I'm naive because I tend to trust people? - People should trust one another more often, the world would be a much better place. No, - the world would be a worse place if people trusted cheats, knowing that they were cheats. It would be called negligence. So trust noone becoz someone might cheat? --- Reikoku for snip Don't do that. -Rauth life. My sig got nerfed :( waaaaaaaaah!
Etho Demerzel Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:35:00 - [3829] Originally by: Cheng Quote: Your naievite is touching, the rest of us aren't so trusting, because, oh yeah, once bitten... So I'm naive because I tend to trust people? - People should trust one another more often, the world would be a much better place. You are naive because you trust blindly in people who commited and infration, when they say that although they have the means to easily do this again they won't. It is the same naivety someone would show in contracting a bank robber to be cash dealer in the bank. Or a falsary to be CEO of his firm. I wouldn't find weird if your corp and allaince leaders are gaining lots of money selling ISK. And it wouldn't surprise me either if their CCP's "friends" are getting part of this money. Everything said in this thread is very difficult to be proven, but money is easy to follow. And if it is indeed happening, if employees from CCP are using their position to do this with the help of some players, that would be a criminal infraction, not a mere EULA violation. And as I said that is much easier to find out...
Mileionaha GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:40:00 - [3830] Edited by: Mileionaha on 28/05/2007 04:40:10 Originally by: Cheng Originally by: Krumpit No, - the world would be a worse place if people trusted cheats, knowing that they were cheats. It would be called negligence. So trust noone becoz someone might cheat? Do you even bother reading what was written? Seriously. He writes 'A', you respond to some imaginary 'B'. Personally, why are we still talking about Darkstar1? It's all a red herring to draw attention from the larger issues of rigging and bias and distrust. Darkstar1 was fishy, sure enough, but it seems that CCP and the Bobbies are desperate that we pay attention to the 'fishy' rather than the 'outrageously corrupt'. I'm sure it has been posted, but this ain't from Goonfleet. We're jus the ones with the cajones to keep bringing it up. http://goonfleet.com/open_letter_to_CCP.html
Cheng Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:41:00 - [3831] Originally by: Etho Demerzel Originally by: Cheng Quote: Your naievite is touching, the rest of us aren't so trusting, because, oh yeah, once bitten... So I'm naive because I tend to trust people? - People should trust one another more often, the world would be a much better place. You are naive because you trust blindly in people who commited and infration, when they say that although they have the means to easily do this again they won't. It is the same naivety someone would show in contracting a bank robber to be cash dealer in the bank. Or a falsary to be CEO of his firm. I wouldn't find weird if your corp and allaince leaders are gaining lots of money selling ISK. And it wouldn't surprise me either if their CCP's "friends" are getting part of this money. Everything said in this thread is very difficult to be proven, but money is easy to follow. And if it is indeed happening, if employees from CCP are using their position to do this with the help of some players, that would be a criminal infraction, not a mere EULA violation. And as I said that is much easier to find out... I'm naive becoz I trust people when t20 cheated? - So everyone in BoB are cheaters? Everyone in eve are cheaters? You are just like those stupid ppl I've been talking about.. No offence though. --- Reikoku for snip Don't do that. -Rauth life. My sig got nerfed :( waaaaaaaaah!
Deus Ex'Machina Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:45:00 - [3832] Edited by: Deus Ex''Machina on 28/05/2007 04:49:56 Can Orange Species and Admiral Crajfdsjagfajfyj be one and the same guy? They both seem to have the same aggressive bully / e-peen waving mentality. If so will Orange Species get deleted? That would be worth a laugh or two It would also explain the promptitude of the ban somewhat. - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude. True amarr tank shields!
Mileionaha GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.28 04:46:00 - [3833] Originally by: Cheng 'Here is my irrelevant statement'. 'Here's some hyperbole' 'here's some more hyperbole' - 'Now I'm going to insult you, but oops! Don't get angry at me' Hmm... I missed the point where you actually addressed anything in a worthwhile fashion. http://goonfleet.com/open_letter_to_CCP.html - If you haven't read this, please don't even talk about 'scandal'. Approach all problems with the maximum amount of data you can gather.
Gallien Krueger	Posted - 2007.05.28 05:05:00 - [3834] Originally by: Cheng Originally by: Etho Demerzel Originally by: Cheng Quote: Your naievite is touching, the rest of us aren't so trusting, because, oh yeah, once bitten... So I'm naive because I tend to trust people? - People should trust one another more often, the world would be a much better place. You are naive because you trust blindly in people who commited and infration, when they say that although they have the means to easily do this again they won't. It is the same naivety someone would show in contracting a bank robber to be cash dealer in the bank. Or a falsary to be CEO of his firm. I wouldn't find weird if your corp and allaince leaders are gaining lots of money selling ISK. And it wouldn't surprise me either if their CCP's "friends" are getting part of this money. Everything said in this thread is very difficult to be proven, but money is easy to follow. And if it is indeed happening, if employees from CCP are using their position to do this with the help of some players, that would be a criminal infraction, not a mere EULA violation. And as I said that is much easier to find out... I'm naive becoz I trust people when t20 cheated? - So everyone in BoB are cheaters? Everyone in eve are cheaters? You are just like those stupid ppl I've been talking about.. No offence though. You are so extremely boorish. If it's ok for 1 player to have the msn contacts of multiple dev's, then why isn't it ok for everyone to have those contacts. If one gains no advantage from having them, then there is no harm in everyone having them. Then we could just talk to the dev's in chat whenever we come across a bug and they can work on it. They could also build a chat log server to keep track of all the different chats where players submit bugs, so they could go through and keep track of how many people are being affected by which bugs, and maintain a full history of them. Wouldn't it be great if they had something like that set up?
Krumpit Caldari Madness of Crowds	Posted - 2007.05.28 05:26:00 - [3835] Originally by: Cheng I'm naive becoz I trust people when t20 cheated? Conflation. All cheats are people. Most people are not cheats. If you trust ALL people when you know one or more are cheats, you are naive.
Xandria Foreman	Posted - 2007.05.28 05:36:00 - [3836] Originally by: Cheng Originally by: Relaria Hossin Originally by: Cheng They were just regular players, enjoying EvE just like everyone else. And at somepoint, in those 4 years of playing, some got to be devs and some got to be gm's. These players who got hired also were allowed to keep their player accounts. There's the real problem here and like I said, everything else is the symptom of this huge conflict of interest. There is a reason no other company that runs a MMOG allows this to happen the way CCP does. Yes they are allowed to keep their accounts and they should be able to. Why is it a conflict of interest? - Those who fail are those devs/gm's who reveal their identity. So is that BoB's fault? - No. And what if some revealed their identity to players they trust. - Tbh I don't care... I don't care if someone in Goons, RAZOR etc. have dev/gm's friends on their contact list, it's their friends and they shouldn't be punished only for being true friends. LOOK UP NEAR THE TOP AT POSTS FROM DIAN, ONE OF YOUR OWN MEMBERS, OPENLY ADMITS TO USING MSN FOR THOSE VERY THINGS WHICH IS BY DEFINITION CHETING IN GAME AND IS LISTED HERE BY THEM
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.05.28 05:38:00 - [3837] That is a lie, the leaders of bob knew about t20. You guys are on ts with him everyday. It is impossible for someone to keep that to himself for on year. I am absolutely sure that bob leadership knew everything about what t20 did.
Thesas Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.05.28 05:40:00 - [3838] What does it matter who is friends with whom? Are we ever going to really know what happened here? Honestly people.. we are not going to know. Just separate devs from players and be done with it. Otherwise this will, without doubt, happen again. Strike 3 is generally fatal in most things. The threadnaught was bad, but the spreadnaught is far far worse. This story has spread everywhere now and will probably hit the major game sites by month end. That is what the opportunity, potential, and appearance of impropriety gives you. It is irrelevant if it happened or not as the damage has been done. Fix the root cause and move on CCP.
Igus	Posted - 2007.05.28 05:43:00 - [3839] Edited by: Igus on 28/05/2007 05:41:59 Honestly is anyone surprised by these things. I mean really eve has become a game that the best way to succeed is to lie, cheat, and steal. It doesn't surprise me in the least that players and even devs(potentially) would stoop to these levels to get ahead.
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.05.28 05:47:00 - [3840] Edited by: MehTheTrader on 28/05/2007 05:46:37 Devs should be taken out of eve completely. BoB leaders have no integreity and have showed that they will use bugs/cheats/devs to get their way. If devs continue being part of eve, I can only assume that the head of this entire game is a bob leader.

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