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Gerrard Knight
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Posted - 2007.05.28 08:30:00 -
[3871]
 Originally by: umop 3pisdn
Originally by: Gerrard Knight
I just hope CCP solves this problem.
Maybe bob and gs should create an alliance?
Hi. Stay on topic please.
I dont want to know what goes through your brain before you post this kind of crap.
With all due respect it was just a random thought. No need to get heated up about it.
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Richard Johannson
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Posted - 2007.05.28 08:36:00 -
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They have a program code of more than 1 billion pages, the developers of that kind of project are for sure top of the planet IT guys and could work for NASA or NSA and now they want to make us belive that this guys can not delete a petition because there is no tool for it!
must be really hard to delete data from a computer if you are the database admin. LOL
I am speechless, that one saved my day!
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MacGrowler III
Ginger Corp
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.28 08:39:00 -
[3873]
I don't want to get in the debate of right / wrong or true / false. I decided to post here just to register my concern and say to CCP that YOU HAVE A PROBLEM !
Whether the problem is based in fact OR just a perceived problem, it is still a problem non the less. having, at the time I write this, 150 pages of comments on this issue, it is clear your current procedures do not seem to address the issue or a lack of confidence in your player base.
I am quite happy to state that I will NOT immediately cancel my subscription but you should remember that EVE will only continue to be successful while your current player base enjoys EVE and TRUSTS you to operate a fair and just universe.
Cheers n Beers
MacG
PS. Anyone who is leaving - Can I have your Stuff ? 
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MrJordanIOI
Minmatar
The Lantern Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.28 08:39:00 -
[3874]
Originally by: Gerrard Knight
Originally by: Katherine Howard
If CCP doesn't take their players seriously with these kind of accusations why don't the players just chip in money and sue CCP for not providing a level playing ground?
I'm sure with the incredibly large player base that enough money could easily be pooled together in a short amount of time to hire a lawyer and handle this professionally.
What do the people think of this post?
I am not sure whether the EULA makes this request an invalid one or not.
Basically what Kieron seems to have said holds true sadly.
Originally by: CCP kieron
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If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
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Godar Marak
Amarr
Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.28 08:52:00 -
[3875]
Can atleast idiots stop talking about suing CCP, we all know your talking out of your ass. You havent been scolded by hot coffe at McDonnalds, so stop acting like you are in the US.
The EULA pretty much pwns any hope you have of suing so stop barking like a little puppy.
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Richard Johannson
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Posted - 2007.05.28 08:58:00 -
[3876]
What do you all other players think, what we have seen so far is this Arkanoid guy from IA any good?
Can he solve the problem? Or is he involved in the cover up?
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Eviloution
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Posted - 2007.05.28 08:59:00 -
[3877]
(forums) Your 425mm 'fact' Cannon perfectly strikes Goon Propeganda, wrecking for much tears damage. |
Nikos Iscariot
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:00:00 -
[3878]
Edited by: Nikos Iscariot on 28/05/2007 09:02:24
Edited by: Nikos Iscariot on 28/05/2007 09:01:30
Edited by: Nikos Iscariot on 28/05/2007 08:59:14
Originally by: Wisegirl
Originally by: Stahlregen
Senior GM's can indeed delete petitions.
I'm sure i'm not alone in having experienced this myself, Mind you the times i've had them deleted was because i was being an ******* via the petition system but it just goes to show that either Kieron is lying or does not know how his game works.
Or use your brian goon****s - it was closed NOT deleted 
Sounds like we could all afford to use our Brians more.
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:03:00 -
[3879]
Getting close to 4500 posts at 150 pages. Granted a lot of them are of the
RETORT
COUNTER-RETORT
QUESTIONS ABOUT INTELLIGENCE
<CENSORED> BRIAN HURT U-SELF kind but a few really have a point.
Heck even with just one valid point per page we have 150 goid points.
Obviously, 'noone is being forced to play (well maybe isk farmer slaves) and if you don't like it just leave' is a valid point that many have made. Then again the 'I am paying for this game too, it should be a level playing field' is a pretty valid point too I feel.
Everytime you let GM's, Devs, anyone with inside information play in the game they have power over you're just asking for trouble. When you can have influence on the game to benefit you and yours it's kinda human nature to abuse your power in some way. Upbringing and sense of honour and fairness will dampen that nature.. but in the end.. we're all just weak squiashy humans eh..
How can you ever trust CCP again? A few ways: easiest is to just convince yourself nothing bad has happened. You can also just know that there will always be a few rotten apples but most of them are decent people. Same goes for BoB. This of course is a little harder for most of us, especially when the general consensus seems to be that the top is where most of those rotten apples are.
Paranoia is also quite a normal trait in most people, so I feel for all the normal people in CCP, BoB and the Goonies, who will be looked at with the most negative impressions at whatever they do. It's a shame really, some people have just blown it for the rest of you.
I'm just glad none of this frelled up stuff is happening in high sec, because there are only carebear CCP-ers there, however I'm pretty sad the devs keep pushing everyone to low sec.. Everytime I think of getting back to low sec I'm reminded of all these 'weird' things happening and I just can't be arsed really.
All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me..
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Gerrard Knight
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:04:00 -
[3880]
Originally by: Richard Johannson
What do you all other players think, what we have seen so far is this Arkanoid guy from IA any good?
Can he solve the problem? Or is he involved in the cover up?
As far as I can tell from reading the thread(and reading between the lines) is that corps seem to be taking their war beyond the walls of the game into the real world which is creating a lot of hatred between themselves and that it's probably a matter of time until some ****** up lunatic takes a shotgun to CCP and blows the devs and mods apart.
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Iron McFly
CHAF tech
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:06:00 -
[3881]
For those who don't get the Law Suit Angle:
( I write this to scare CCP straight - I truely hope no one starts such a thing. )
1) CCP may headquarter in Iceland but American customers pay through U.S. banking - Visa, Mastercard, Paypal, etc. - all within U.S. Federal jurisdiction.
2) The 'just a game' thing is a non-starter. It's a MMOG Game Business. Anytime a customer pays $ for a product or service that is not what it was represented to be, or even assumed to be, there is a case, like others, day after day in this country saying it is the company that should have made things clear, or not taken the $ under false pretence.
Examples range from cigarettes which already had Federally mandated warning labels to Sports Memorabilia that were not labeled completely honestly.
When a hungry class action lawyer stands up and says, 'I am filing on behalf of 100,000 U.S. customers who spent $120 last year, I have a 12 Million Dollar case.' your defence had better be more than, 'It's just a game.' or 'Smoke' or 'Baseball Cards.'
3) That "Players agreed to 'bla bla bla' agreement when they installed EVE Online." will not stop an American judge or jury (see above examples).
This country is no longer 'corporate friendly.' Now the attitude is that corporations and government need to protect people - even from themselves, even if they signed or clicked something. Any user agreement is pale in the light of questions such as,
"Did the MMOG player expect a level and fair playing field ?"
"Is a level and fair system 'Ordinary and Customary' in the industry?"
"Did CCP fail to meet the standards one might expect ? (without having to read the excuses and exemptions they would like to give themselves in 'the fine print')"
4) Do the math - anytime 35% of the case would pay a U.S. law office's wages for 18-24 months - they smell enough blood to come like wolves.
Here in Wisconsin, I got paperwork in the mail this past year because MicroSoft had been sued and lost on some sort of class action against Win-ME being over priced. The case was done and all I had to do was sign on, as they'd got my name and address from MS records, it was 5% or $5 - idk - I tossed it out thinking 'thank God we don't have 3-15 different Op. Sys. on PCs in this country like Amiga, Apple, RadioShack-Tandy, Texas Instruments, yikes.'
Anybody with legal experience and knowledge in the U.S. - Please refine these rough 'know-it-all' comments.
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szill
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:09:00 -
[3882]
Hi All,
I'm followed this game closely for the last year.
Here are some ideas how can the CCP do something with the accusation. As I see the problem is that ther is no transparency in the behavior of the employees in the game.
1. Give a regular log, in which alliances are the CCP employees. Not a list of character names, but numbers (for example: AnAliance: 6 developers, 1 manager, 1 IA and so on) eventually with the total skill points in that alliance. Maybe this would resolve the problem, that some of us thinks all of the employees are in BOB.
2. Give a regular log, what the developers are doing in game during work (when they are payed for doing this) eventually with some links to petition numbers (not revealing the petition content) and the activity (if this list is not against some player/corporation/alliance).
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:09:00 -
[3883]
Gee guys, to bad about your witch hunt starting to unravel.
Better luck next time. Lucky for you that such conspiracy theor..... I mean detectives can always find some "proof".
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Nikos Iscariot
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:14:00 -
[3884]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Gee guys, to bad about your witch hunt starting to unravel.
Better luck next time. Lucky for you that such conspiracy theor..... I mean detectives can always find some "proof".
Unravel? Is there some new word about the situation on MSN?
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Marisal
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:16:00 -
[3885]
Seeing as initial accusations made by a player alliance are now starting to unravel can we talk about the repercussions on the player alliance namely deleting said alliances player accounts permanently from the game, or banning those that posted on the forums last week.
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Frannkie
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:18:00 -
[3886]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Thus, there's absolutely no reason for you to be here, abusing people who have a right to talk here.
Sincerely,
Andreus
I have a right to talk here too, non?
I didnt really want to comment on the ping pong thats going back and fro, but would like to pick up on the fact that every single post made by avon has either been flame / trolling. This response is just pure simple 'i am better and more important than you' - forum mods please if you are snipping other posters then you should treat everyone with the same stick... because this guy is doing nothing but winding everyone up.
Tbh Avon you are doing BOB no favors with the way you act on these forums. And as for the current situation the questions still need answering
1) why is there a 'link', call it MSN, between ccp & bob members. OR any other alliance member for that ! after the last mess it was made clear that there shouldn't be any link .... This clearly shows favourism towards these people. I and others have to wait days for petitions to be answered and these guys get the 10 min response to an issue ... this is not right and anyone involved should receive perma bans
2) RP being rigged is not fair. I have been on an event where it was clearly obvious that others were in the know about it and appeared at the location where the 'gold' was thus the guys running around doing the stages leading upto the 'rewarsd' moment got feck all
There were also some serious issues that got left behind from the last ccp scandal. Most noticably where certain members of BoB had clearly broken game rules are still playing the game
a) the issue of real life information being posted on forums
b) account sharing
c) ebay accounts
so no wonder people are going ape over the current affairs when it is clear that older ones have yet to be dealt with in the proper manner.
so ccp you are certainly caught between a rock and hard place. if this issue isnt cleared this time as someone already said, the only people left playing will be bob and the bobits ......
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Godar Marak
Amarr
Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:32:00 -
[3887]
Originally by: Iron McFly
When a hungry class action lawyer stands up and says, 'I am filing on behalf of 100,000 U.S. customers who spent $120 last year, I have a 12 Million Dollar case.' your defence had better be more than, 'It's just a game.' or 'Smoke' or 'Baseball Cards.'
Yeah, only US law has no juradiciton in Iceland or anywhere else for that matter.
Quote:
3) That "Players agreed to 'bla bla bla' agreement when they installed EVE Online." will not stop an American judge or jury (see above examples).
Do you honestly think anyone cares?
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:34:00 -
[3888]
Originally by: Nikos Iscariot
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Gee guys, to bad about your witch hunt starting to unravel.
Better luck next time. Lucky for you that such conspiracy theor..... I mean detectives can always find some "proof".
Unravel? Is there some new word about the situation on MSN?
We "know" that a pro goon ISD was bumping anti goon dreads, getting directly involved in game supporting one group of players (sort of what the goons were accusing CCP and BoB of doing, imagin that.....)
We "know" that bob accelerated having that investigated so they could have a clean in game fight.
Yeah, I'll accept that. Your side seems strangly selective. Sadly normal for goons.
You'll also note that the ONLY charge that was never denied is the only one left, but ALL your other charges have smashed back in your face. And even on the remaining charge, you sure are strangly selective. After, anything that reflects badly on goons is not relavent to the investigation.
Go ahead, look back to my first posts here, before your witch started falling apart. You might notice the MSN part is mentioned (although with goons, I'd still want it confirmed and reconfirmed. I remember the first time I chatted with your kind).
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:40:00 -
[3889]
Goons don't have a leg to stand on tbh when it comes to cheating and as this goes further along, it is becoming increasingly obvious that it is just propoganda to hurt bob. Where was all the paladins of truth and justice when goons hacked there clients to show blues and reds in local before it was an addition to the game? If bob did that you guys would be screaming blue murder.
That's pretty much what this all boils down to.I mean seriously, when someone talks of sueing a game because they can't win it, i seriously think that is the time they should step away from the keyboard and go walk and talk with friends about rl and such. I love this game also, have seen many shifty things from my enemies, especially goons but i don't complain about it.
That's one of the most peculiar things about this all, the goons are almost famous for cheating / dirty tatics / RL smack but are trying to paint themselves as 'the light' . Disturbing mental picture to be perfectly honest.
This propoganda you guys are trying to spin is unravelling at an increasing rate, adn the side claims are getting more fantastic as it goes along. If you don't like the game , leave it. I personally don't care because there are certain elements in this game which do not care about the health of the game or the community at all. I have heard stories of how they have infested other games and griefed people and bought games down 'for a laugh'.
This thread has gone 150 odd pages but the same things are being said over and over again, just let IA do there investigation and clear the matter up, one way or another
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Muff Joos
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:40:00 -
[3890]
Edited by: Muff Joos on 28/05/2007 09:43:01
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Originally by: Nikos Iscariot
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
We "know" that bob accelerated having that investigated
Yeah, I'll accept that.
You continue to admit to BoB/CCP collusion. Your alliance apears to be so accustomed to it you've forgotten that it's wrong.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:46:00 -
[3891]
Originally by: Muff Joos
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Originally by: Nikos Iscariot
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Gee guys, to bad about your witch hunt starting to unravel.
Better luck next time. Lucky for you that such conspiracy theor..... I mean detectives can always find some "proof".
Unravel? Is there some new word about the situation on MSN?
We "know" that a pro goon ISD was bumping anti goon dreads, getting directly involved in game supporting one group of players (sort of what the goons were accusing CCP and BoB of doing, imagin that.....)
We "know" that bob accelerated having that investigated so they could have a clean in game fight.
Yeah, I'll accept that. Your side seems strangly selective. Sadly normal for goons.
You'll also note that the ONLY charge that was never denied is the only one left, but ALL your other charges have smashed back in your face. And even on the remaining charge, you sure are strangly selective. After, anything that reflects badly on goons is not relavent to the investigation.
Go ahead, look back to my first posts here, before your witch started falling apart. You might notice the MSN part is mentioned (although with goons, I'd still want it confirmed and reconfirmed. I remember the first time I chatted with your kind).
You continue to admit to BoB/CCP collusion. Your alliance apears to be so accustomed to it you've forgotten that it's wrong.
LOL LOL and LOL
AGAIN, such selectivity.
If you read back on the old posts, both here and in other parts of the forum, you'll find that I and other pro bob folks have repeatedly called it wrong. Its been called wrong on the bob internal forums.
And you ignore the parts that reflect badly on goons AGAIN. Why am I not surprised. Perhaps because if the whole issue was examined, you'd come out looking a lot worse than bob??? Nah, that couldn't be it, not a chance.....
To bad about your witch hunt.....
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Nevada Tan
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:46:00 -
[3892]
Edited by: Nevada Tan on 28/05/2007 09:45:31
Originally by: fire 59
BoB don't have a leg to stand on tbh when it comes to cheating...
Fixed.
T20 got moved to your pet Coreli corp, right? Have they mysteriously acquired any new T2 BPOs recently...out of interest?
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Alias11
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:52:00 -
[3893]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
We "know" that a pro goon ISD was bumping anti goon dreads, getting directly involved in game supporting one group of players (sort of what the goons were accusing CCP and BoB of doing, imagin that.....)
It's amazing how we went from "Unaffiliated Empire RPer on his ISD character may or may not have bumped a (1) dread on accident before orbiting the battlefield at standard distance" to "Goon ISD member bumps bob dreads in deliberate attempt to interfere with the game".
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:54:00 -
[3894]
Originally by: Nevada Tan
Edited by: Nevada Tan on 28/05/2007 09:45:31
Originally by: fire 59
goons don't have a leg to stand on tbh when it comes to cheating...
Fixed.
T20 got moved to your pet Coreli corp, right? Have they mysteriously acquired any new T2 BPOs recently...out of interest?
You just did exactly what i was talking about and i doubt you even noticed you did it. It's a fascinating thing to watch when someone is brainwashed and drowned in there own hatred, the lenghs they will cluch at straws is truly remarkable
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Caldari
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:55:00 -
[3895]
Originally by: Nevada Tan
T20 got moved to your pet Coreli corp, right? Have they mysteriously acquired any new T2 BPOs recently...out of interest?
they dont need t2 bpos anymore, you can farm the 1938329382 complexes in delve quite conveniently.
oh wait - those stupid russians .. naah, remove static complexes and make them exploration plexes, dianabolic can then do the exploit err .. exploration via MSN
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Muff Joos
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:56:00 -
[3896]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Originally by: Muff Joos
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Originally by: Nikos Iscariot
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
LOL LOL and LOL
AGAIN, such selectivity.
If you read back on the old posts, both here and in other parts of the forum, you'll find that I and other pro bob folks have repeatedly called it wrong. Its been called wrong on the bob internal forums.
It's been called right by Dianabolic, a spokesperson for your alliance.
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Muff Joos
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Posted - 2007.05.28 10:15:00 -
[3897]
Originally by: Cheng
Originally by: Jonas Vance
Originally by: Cheng
As I've stated before, I don't care if someone has a dev/gm friend on his contact list. I'd say it's a advantige to have someone who trusts you enough to even tell you that he is a dev.
This is not proof of any ingame cheating.
Again, having a dev on MSN doesn't prove you have cheated. But it certainly would be easy to do it having the means now would it.
"Again, having a dev on MSN doesn't prove you have cheated" - I rest my case.
Yes it does. That's exactly what it means.
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Susan Acid
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.28 10:24:00 -
[3898]
Originally by: fire 59
Goons don't have a leg to stand on tbh when it comes to cheating and as this goes further along, it is becoming increasingly obvious that it is just propoganda to hurt bob. Where was all the paladins of truth and justice when goons hacked there clients to show blues and reds in local before it was an addition to the game? If bob did that you guys would be screaming blue murder.
I have heard stories of how they have infested other games and griefed people and bought games down 'for a laugh'.
This thread has gone 150 odd pages but the same things are being said over and over again, just let IA do there investigation and clear the matter up, one way or another
Blame CCP for allowing Goons to get away with the local hack.Why was action not taken against those that used this?
You've 'heard' that Goons have 'infested' other games and ruined them 'for a laugh'.Would you care to provide proof of this?What games?What have they done?I'm leaving Eve and would like to know which games have not been tainted by the Goon mentality.
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Inosin
Caldari
Stardust Heavy Industries
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.28 10:27:00 -
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Bob can intentionally kill a Titan by abusing the logoff mechanic and no Gm come and punish for using exploit he come and congrat them.
No one can have Rigs in his Titan , Bob have.
No one can ask a gm or dev for a favor and Bob has a special line and gms banned player which where not wanted somewhere
Bob got t2 Bpo stuff
Bob got informationen (imagine for yourself how often and what) and that is much worse than all other.
Alone the possibility of knowing client login mechanics, Plex spawning and game development earlier than other entinities is worth much more then few Titans or Bpo.
Now the half of 0.0 dont risk to fight them and hide behind to benefit and everyone who risk to fight them is slaugered again and again with capitalbattles wich are always 10+ to 0 Kills for Bob , (sure the only reason is the "Skill" to hit the highslotbuttons at the right time.
Would someone like a Soccer or Tennis mach knowing that the referee is best friend of one party?
I have stopped playing eve think some other will too, Bob you can eve Eve for yourself have fun with it but i will not pay for your fun..
A bad feeling stays see ya in Hellgate London..
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.28 10:44:00 -
[3900]
Originally by: Muff Joos
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Stuff, scroll up to read if interested
It's been called right by Dianabolic, a spokesperson for your alliance.
Yeah, and I and others have been calling it wrong. In my own case I've stated its a pretty mild issue, but still wrong. For those who actually pay attention there is a LONG history of CCP / Player communication using such programs, and that IS fine, even when it is BoB and CCP talking (GASP!!!!!). Whats wrong is rushing a petition. CCP has even mentioned it on Eve TV long before this (and no out cry from ANYONE until goons saw a chance for a propaganda witch hunt, gee, I wonder why......???)
Go ahead, milk away on the issue. Its all you have left. Take the tasty bait, you KNOW you can use it to make the ebil bobbits look bad.....
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