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ApathyKills	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:14:00 - [991] Originally by: Zippy Pinno Edited by: Zippy Pinno on 26/05/2007 05:49:09 Its one thing to complain here - spam this forum, whine and scream. It is quite another to out on the net and actively try to undermine the game like so: http://digg.com/pc_games/EVE_Creators_CCP_Under_Fire_Again_for_Alleged_Corruption_Open_Letter_Made/who It seems the goons cant win and now they just plain want to kill EVE. if the goons wanted to kill eve they wouldn't be clamoring for change. People like you who only see one side of the situation are the problem. Either 1) CCP does nothing and EVE implodes 2) CCP is clever and most of the community quits 3) CCP fixes the problems and everyone is happy, except the stupid fcks who got laid off because they were stupid fcks.
Quartz Mine	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:15:00 - [992] Edited by: Quartz Mine on 26/05/2007 06:15:54 Edited by: Quartz Mine on 26/05/2007 06:14:47 Originally by: SiJira wait why is an isd member banning even a player issue yall are really lovin the soap box its a lie by goonswarm - they just dont want eve to exist anymore oh hey...wow thats a lot of posts...ehhh...nah, I don't think I'll read it all and just put in my own comments. surely my ideas will be thoughtful, deep, and insightful. as well as current with the topic at hand and in no way look like I simply skimmed a few lines e: i splel gud
Straw Man	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:15:00 - [993] Glad to see the Iraqi information minister got a new job.. guess hes' working at CCP now. -- "It is a rare mind indeed that can render the hitherto non-existent blindingly obvious." - Doug Adams --
FatHed Eye of the Abyss	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:15:00 - [994] Originally by: SiJira wait why is an isd member banning even a player issue yall are really lovin the soap box its a lie by goonswarm - they just dont want eve to exist anymore Certain of that, well, it could be determined, CCP, post the logs. If it is true, then quite frankly, I wouldn't care if Eve existed anymore or not.
Gee Lok	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:16:00 - [995] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Likewise your post could be explained by Confirmation Bias. Here is a quote from the Wikipedia article: Quote: In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias is a tendency to search for or interpret new information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions and avoid information and interpretations which contradict prior beliefs..... Of course thats all conjecture on both of our parts... The very next paragraph says: Quote: Confirmation bias is an area of interest in the teaching of critical thinking... And yet you just throw the Conformation bias wildcard on the table and claim that it trumps whatever I said. No discussion, no argument, nothing. What type of deluded critical thinking is that? Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch No, we [Goons] are pretty good at admitting that pretty much everything that goes wrong is our fault. If there's one thing that Goonfleet prides itself it's making stupid mistakes on a truly colossal scale. That's why this issue has anything whatsoever to do with us other than the fact that we were the ones who got public discussion of it going. Do you really expect people to believe that? That goons pride themselves on having their fleets destroyed time after time, on loosing or on being incompetent. Are goons doing this out of the goodness of their hearts for the benefit of the community? I doubt it. Afte all, the goon franchise openly prides itself on griefing people and ruining their gaming experiences. Goons want to succeed as much as everyone else. To pretend otherwise is foolish.
Leonard Darwin Rosewood Productions	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:17:00 - [996] Yikes... at the start of this thread it was pure speculation. Goonies putting forth something that may or may not have had a thread of truth woven in it. Totally skeptical. An interesting read, but nothing more there until more information was revealed. And information is then revealed... really, I'd have thought some of you would have thought about the implications of your posts before posting in a hot topic, perhaps rereading them before submitting. BoB, you damned yourself in this thread and it wasn't even about you! But now you have stirred the hornets nest and you yourselves backed the allegations against your very 'friends' by admitting you have instantaneous contact with them. Alas, regardless of the truth of this, I'm not sure what people expect the outcome to be. The very people investigating the situation are the ones that may or may not have allowed this to happen. It's like finding out those at a police station are taking a 'cut' from drug busts and then marching into that very police station and reporting them... their investigation might tend to be a tad biased. The only truths one can currently pull from this thread is that a Dev temporarily joined a player corp for reasons unknown (at least to the public) and that certain players have questionable relationships with those who play the game. One of those truths is very disconcerting for me As it should be for everyone. This isn't just about The War and us peons in empire are not affected by what happens/happened. This affects, directly or indirectly, all subscribers to the game. Some people may not care - fair enough. However, I've seen first hand during previous gaming experiences what having relationships with GMs/Coders opens up. For the time being, however, I'll assume CCP was smart enough to hire a third party, who don't play EvE, for Internal Affairs to handle investigations of employee misconduct. Otherwise, the players have no hope for resolution. Good luck to all involved. Whatever happens, this is going to be a bumpy ride for everyone.
Maskface Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:17:00 - [997] Originally by: SiJira wait why is an isd member banning even a player issue yall are really lovin the soap box its a lie by goonswarm - they just dont want eve to exist anymore Pfft, Nice try, but when any player is banned for nefarious reasons, it's all our problem. Especially when we find out BOB players have MSN contact with Dev's, or that fact that the RP stuff has been shown to be completely rigged.
Iiva	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:17:00 - [998] Originally by: HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA Originally by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Edited by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on 26/05/2007 06:02:37 Since bob always gets called band of developers how about we start callign goonswarm whineswarm How about you start putting some relevant content in your awful posts? Yeah, I mean... that post sure was Something Awful, there, huh!
Vladimir Tinakin Caldari Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:17:00 - [999] Originally by: SiJira wait why is an isd member banning even a player issue yall are really lovin the soap box its a lie by goonswarm - they just dont want eve to exist anymore That the ISD guy was fired in less than an hour because a bob member fired up MSN is the primary concern here...NO ONE should have that kind of access, period. It SCREAMS favoritism and lack of objectivity at best. It also lends accusations of collusion and conspiracy weight. If theres a problem with the guy, submit a petition like all us other paying *******s and wait for a response. ----------------------------------------------- Adm Vladimir Tinakin CFO Hadean Drive Yards
SF Killage	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:19:00 - [1000] Alright CCP, everybody hates you and your all gonna loose your jobs. There's only one way outa this. Sell the game to LucasArts.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:19:00 - [1001] To be frank, I think Arkanon is front with little credibility, designed to manage our anger and prevent loss of customers. Time for ISD to be filled by paid staff or be subject to public review to prevent these kinds of things.
TinyPirate	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:20:00 - [1002] What's scary is that the BEST POSSIBLE description of current events reads like this: -A CCP employee needs to fix something in DarkStar1, but because of crappy dev. tools, the only way he can do this it by joining the Corp in such a way that he also gains access to all their secret information. He doesn't tell anyone in DS1 that he is doing this, and deletes their petition when they ask about what happened. -Some prankster seizes on comments Orange Species made in local chat about how BoB has CCP bigwigs on speed-dial, and claims that those comments were serious. OS isn't punished for those comments, but Goons who makes similar jokes about developer corruption in local chat are banned. -The same prankster, in claiming the RP-events are corrupt, draws on our memories of a past incident where Orange Species' former Corp, LV, managed to complete a major RP-event in an impossibly quick time. CCP really, really needs to work on their customer relations. If this is much ado about nothing then the drama is no one's fault but CCP's.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:21:00 - [1003] Originally by: Leonard Darwin Yikes... at the start of this thread it was pure speculation. Goonies putting forth something that may or may not have had a thread of truth woven in it. Totally skeptical. An interesting read, but nothing more there until more information was revealed. And information is then revealed... really, I'd have thought some of you would have thought about the implications of your posts before posting in a hot topic, perhaps rereading them before submitting. BoB, you damned yourself in this thread and it wasn't even about you! But now you have stirred the hornets nest and you yourselves backed the allegations against your very 'friends' by admitting you have instantaneous contact with them. Alas, regardless of the truth of this, I'm not sure what people expect the outcome to be. The very people investigating the situation are the ones that may or may not have allowed this to happen. It's like finding out those at a police station are taking a 'cut' from drug busts and then marching into that very police station and reporting them... their investigation might tend to be a tad biased. The only truths one can currently pull from this thread is that a Dev temporarily joined a player corp for reasons unknown (at least to the public) and that certain players have questionable relationships with those who play the game. One of those truths is very disconcerting for me As it should be for everyone. This isn't just about The War and us peons in empire are not affected by what happens/happened. This affects, directly or indirectly, all subscribers to the game. Some people may not care - fair enough. However, I've seen first hand during previous gaming experiences what having relationships with GMs/Coders opens up. For the time being, however, I'll assume CCP was smart enough to hire a third party, who don't play EvE, for Internal Affairs to handle investigations of employee misconduct. Otherwise, the players have no hope for resolution. Good luck to all involved. Whatever happens, this is going to be a bumpy ride for everyone. You assumed wrong. There was no third party, nor even one versed in investigations of any kind hired. A developer was selected from the pack.
Lindsay Bluth	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:21:00 - [1004] Wow...that GM Kutsu chatlog from Jita local is just....wow.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Lords Of Amber	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:22:00 - [1005] Hmm. During BoB/ASCN war, I was sitting at POS in TCAG, when a dev showed up with ASCN corp ticker (CLS-F). He was, seemingly, "fixing" POS bug too. I was just there watching the show, so I don't know the details, but some of ex CLS-F people should be able to give details, I guess. Oh yes, try to guess which dev it was But I don't think anyone took it as a bob-dev-hax event at the time, I think we all geniunely thought he was there to fix something. I still beleive it. But DS1 story is waaaay different, so... let's see what CCP has to say. There might be an explanation for DS1 situation. Not so sure about ISD thing, I'd love to hear what CCP has to say about it. Is it a lie or not? Just a "yes" or "no" would be nice, no need to wrap it up, like you're giving it to 12yrs olds. And another minor thing bugs me... Do all 4 year players have "private links" to EVE developers? I mean, if it is so normal for a people that play the game for 4 years (as Dian puts it), to establish a relationship with developers, does it mean all these 4-year old players/corps also have direct links to devs? Or only members of certain corps/alliances got to have that privilege? I play for little more than a year. Could I have a private link to some low ranking GM, for start, then? You can "upgrade" me to devs in 3 years, it's ok. I can wait.
Prall Grosserbauch GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:22:00 - [1006] Originally by: Aries Acheron People need to start posting with their mains. Actually it would be great if everyone posted with alts if just to counterract the attempt to spin this as an issue of in-game politics when it's really a matter of how the game is run.
Sir Emi Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:22:00 - [1007] I have read the open letter and I have to admit that the evidence and facts point out a big flaw in the relation between devs and players. Even if a dev is friends with a player, this relations should _not_ span to a level where the dev turns his back on the whole community and fairness of the virtual world and follows the orders of a player to the extent of banning the best members of that community. It's eighter that, or those players are the devs or staff members or their relatives but even so, Eve is _not_ a family game. Those players are acting like they own the game, and we all others that play it are just bugs that need to be fixed or deleted. :) If they want to play like that and ban members at will for favoritism, like that poor reporter they can make a special cluster just for them or something. Oh well, hope they sort it out. Serves an example of what not to do. Space Odyssey Maker...
Hrin Minmatar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:23:00 - [1008] its amazing how all the nameless nobody alts come out and blame goonswarm for this developer corruption. It makes no sense! All goonswarm did was bring this to light, because we all know CCP's stance on misconduct: If nobody makes a fuss, it never happened. It takes actions like these to get results, like IA. Stop trying to deflect the issue. The issue is not goonswarm, but the actions of select CCP staff that risked the reputation of their company to get ahead in an internet spaceship game. The issue is how people will do anything, take advantage of everything, and risk the livelihood of their 'friends' to get ahead. This corruption is somehow acceptable? And many posters here blame goonswarm for this? This thread is about the allegations of developer misconduct, not your petty sour grapes over failed alliances and destroyed internet spaceships. Stick to the message, not the messenger.
Tyrrhena Maxus Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:23:00 - [1009] No matter what anybody says, this is utterly disgusting. CCP obviously thinks EVE is its own personal playground, where they can make and break the rules at will, and try and cover it up. When are they going to realise that WE THE PLAYERBASE fund this adventure, and we won't tolerate dev scandal after scandal. This is in fact why we are at war with BoD, the most 'high and mighty' alliance in the game full of talented players, yet when their alliance burns into nothing but ash they will always be remembered as a bunch of idiotic cheaters that were scared to lose their internet spaceships. poor form. poor form indeed.
Prall Grosserbauch GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:24:00 - [1010] Originally by: Gee Lok Do you really expect people to believe that? That goons pride themselves on having their fleets destroyed time after time You're not very familiar with the corporation known as "Goonfleet" are you?
Sacrosanctus	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:32:00 - [1011] Originally by: Xade It seems goonswarm and co are the most paranoid alliance in eve. Why if a Dev or GM does something like this, does it become a BoB cheating thread ? For all you know they might be in your alliance and trying to use their powers to assist your alliance - still this isn't a good thing but not all devs and GM's are in BoB. One thing your alliance should have done was kept this under wraps because the massive amount of complaining might point to the fact that the pos's in question do infact contain something worth this amount of complaining. i'm looking forward to maybe seeing the insigators of these accusations being banned or atleast getting some sort of warning because it needs to stop and always seems to be the same people and alliances doing the complaining. complaining because of cheating is one thing, but complaining purely to discredit CCP and certain alliances in-game is another - you guys decide what it is your actually doing. Read the thread. All of your points have already been refuted.
Diomedes Godshill Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:33:00 - [1012] Edited by: Diomedes Godshill on 26/05/2007 06:32:56 Originally by: Dianabolic tbf guys, if you're all so offended by the fact that we've built up a relationship with the makers of this game over FOUR YEARS of playing it, perhaps you should start acting your age and, instead of looking to sacrifice them for your own gains at every opportunity, engage with them to make this game what we all want it to be? That's all we want it to be, regardless of what you think of us or how we or CCP go about it, but instead you go in to "threadnaught" mode. It might be something for you all to consider. Or, you can all continue crying like *****es. Your choice, right? This needed to be quoted again. The "we" is BoB. They want the game developed in their image.
Shipzz	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:35:00 - [1013] PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN
Bienurdau Hywoaf Minmatar Matari Holo News Network	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:36:00 - [1014] I've been sitting here trying to think of exactly what I can say. The events that I learned about shortly before going to bed have really dampened my spirit today. It is sad that CCP has not yet learned from past mistakes. The fact that Dianabolic has admitted in this thread that BoB has been the benefactors of a line of communication not afforded to the majority of players, BoB constituting between 1 and 2% of the game population, is really not helpful to BoB as a whole and not helpful to CCP. This is a clear line of communication that exists solely to circumvent the normal petition and bug system. One that has only been given to a very small minority of the playerbase. This is highly inappropriate. This line of communication needs to be shut down immediately. CCP should have closed it when they enabled the integral voice chat into EVE, after that there was really no need to continue with MSN, Yahoo or other chat programs. Plus the integral voice chat would assist IA in keeping tabs on what is going on. From evidence seen it is clear this exploit has been used by Dianabolic, Orange Species and D4kkon. They should be banned effective immediately. CCP Admiral Chamrajnagar has been shown as a facilitator of this inappropriate line of communication. He needs to be terminated as an employee and all of his characters deleted. I am willing given past precedent to see the CCP Sharkbait issue as one that was perhaps just a misunderstanding and poorly handled mess. He has a clear precedent for entering corps for petition purposes, however the petition should not have been immediately deleted, nor should efforts by the CEO been ignored. New rules need to be firmly in place regarding the handling of entering a corp. I'm surprised the database administrator couldn't pull any logs needed for a petition to be answered without need to enter a corp since all such logs are server side. It is clear an investigation of previous Aurora events needs to occur. Any employee found to have given information on events to any player needs to be terminated immediately. Any player who received such information and used it needs to be banned. The ships being tossed to and fro by the storm, and its in danger of sinking beneath the waves. Someone at CCP needs to step up to the plate, take the necessary actions to restore order and calm and let the ship resume a safe and prosperous journey before it is too late. Idea: Treaties Idea: Jump Rigs
Tyrrhena Maxus Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:37:00 - [1015] Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch Originally by: Aries Acheron People need to start posting with their mains. Actually it would be great if everyone posted with alts if just to counterract the attempt to spin this as an issue of in-game politics when it's really a matter of how the game is run. quoting dis for truth
xinndo jagged Caldari Anvil	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:37:00 - [1016] summary player base - p***ed off that this has happened yet again - yup! player base - will keep playing in majority due to fact they are addicted to the business/game model (yup u know ur gf is cheating on but you've already got the mortage on ur house and theres' no way your getting to keep the last 3 years+ of payments ) genius! stay and lose? leave and lose? play in the full knowledge that everything you do in game will not amount to anything but supporting a biased space game that was designed to be player base strong. thats the failure imo - BoD win eve \o/ what next? Are BoD planning to make eve2? enjoy your time in sun ccp/BoD and impressing the 14 trial characters in jita that "i won eve btw in 2007" play games - win without cheating, you get respect of your gaming peers. but hey noob(insert BoD/whatever) with +4 years dev access and this is all you've managed to achieve? lol. covering up an open letter to the community and posting with fanbois to an already discontented playerbase is brilliant move - really... see you in jita next year when you can tell me how amazing you are.
Nnozzz	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:37:00 - [1017] WOW I read all of these posts, visited the pages to review the material in question and the gaming sites posting these incidents. I am fairly new to Eve but i do honestly enjoy it, First MMO I have ever paid for Dual accounts, it is an incredible MMO compared to any other on the market. Other issues aside ie... latency issues/delays from recent patches. I have to repeat what has all ready been stated This incident needs Transparency. No matter where you reside in Eve, Empire or 0.0, you need to be asured that all should be fair and equal, I have heard of BOB/Alliance issues before this, the T20 issue for one. But this new information and the confirmation that BOB/Alliance have direct access to Developers and devs who play in any of the alliances is unacceptable. From your last T20 issue you should of realized this, No MMO with integrity allows this to occur they too have seen the issues of collusion. It remains a very Depressing issue to read and evaluate. I am not pleased with the responses I have seen on the forums from BOB/Alliance members, as a new player you can easily see they have little respect for the game and treat any others opinion with undue disrespect. If they had respect we would see more interest in a balanced game, and not the "its for the good of eve we have direct access to devs attitude." I pay my dues for dual accounts, and I fight to reside in 0.0. I have to show my paper trail in all my Eve actions, how can EVE ever be taken serious if you allow others to create there own rules. This should never of been allowed to take place, anymore than the other cheating issue, T20. End it and seek an open transparent, outside investigation and bring Pride back to EVE. The alternative is Auto Renewal = OFF. and no you cant have my stuff... I will Trash my stuff so you can not have it.
Danthomir	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:38:00 - [1018] :-\ I came to this game from WoW, seeing that CCP was a caring and sensible company that paid attention to everyone's opinions and needs. Balance was done with the players in mind, the players were informed of what was happening, and there was even a server that stuff could be tested on prior to implementation. Big, happy community where the game-makers are buddy-buddy with the game-players. In some cases, too buddy-buddy, it seems. Friends are cool, but extensive influence exerted through those friends? Blizzard's practices kept something as huge as Starcraft 2 hidden from the public. If they can do that, they sure as hell can keep WoW GMs from showing favoritism. Since WoW's the big MMO out right now, it's the standard by which other games can be measured. In many, many, many things, EVE surpasses WoW by leaps and bounds. Why did it fail in this? Writing this, it occurs to me that this thread is probably a safety valve, meant to relieve pressure without getting any work done. Does anyone in a position of power care and pay attention? Are all the announcements and devblogs merely empty words? Where did the trust I once had in CCP go?
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:38:00 - [1019] Originally by: Viktor Bout Goons go and play POTBS. In POTBS you have a Dev whos a member of SA/Goons. You are searching for an excuse to leave eve coz you ruined nearly every mmporg youve joined exept eve. You assimilated nearly every corp in your area and you still cant win this game. You cant win by blobbing and you cant win by leaving drama bombs. Zerg away... NO DAMNNIT! We're going to ruin this game if it's the last thing we do!
Iraf Thaiberd GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:38:00 - [1020] Originally by: Xade One thing your alliance should have done was kept this under wraps because the massive amount of complaining might point to the fact that the pos's in question do in fact contain something worth this amount of complaining. Believe me, we bring dislike dragging CCP's trash out into the public as much as you appear to dislike being reminded that it exists. Doing so forces us to deal with people like you, who can't read for content, and are somehow unaware (even though it's been said) that DS1 has 3 POSes, all for logistics, about which they have filed zero petitions. Again though, that's basically a sideshow compared to the ISD member banning via BoB MSN'ing a Dev and the fixing (AGAIN, has everyone forgotten the Hel competition won in 10 minutes flat by LV or the faction fitted "npc" capital assaults in BoB space?) of RP events in favor of old school alliances. There's a saying in Tennessee, maybe Texas, but I know it's in Tennessee, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice... can't be fooled again."[sic]

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