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spiecies 2478	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:39:00 - [1021] im finding it funny to finally see goonswarm freaking out even though their the cause of this massive forum blackout. otherwise, i think that the GM and CCP Employees that are in the BoB alliance should see Goonswarm as a threat. their massive recruiting, their already the biggest alliance in the game. I think that the capital war has just started.
spiecies 2478	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:41:00 - [1022] i also think that every single account of goonswarm should be banned from the game. thanks to them, the whole game is in complete disarray.
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:41:00 - [1023] Originally by: spiecies 2478 im finding it funny to finally see goonswarm freaking out even though their the cause of this massive forum blackout. otherwise, i think that the GM and CCP Employees that are in the BoB alliance should see Goonswarm as a threat. their massive recruiting, their already the biggest alliance in the game. I think that the capital war has just started. There was no need for a forum blackout unless CCP did something wrong and knows it.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:41:00 - [1024] Originally by: FatHed Edited by: FatHed on 26/05/2007 06:08:55 Originally by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Edited by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on 26/05/2007 06:02:37 Since bob always gets called band of developers how about we start callign goonswarm whineswarm If you were an American, I'd say that you must be a Bush supporter, because only his goonies can continually flood polarizing comments out with such effectiveness. For the record, I work at a competing game development corporation. If I was even accused of doing what is accused here, I would be fired. I have friends at other competing corporations, and the same would happen there. Again, there is only 1 way to "solve" this problem, and that is to post the unedited chat logs, including MSN. Edit: Missed a word. ex-Sony here. No Dev, but GM. You? Now... lol. Remember this: You`ve been on the other side. So maybe CCP has an excuse. "I am matter... I am anti-matter... I can see your past... I can see your future... I consume time... And I will consume you!" -Culex (SMRPG)
WCPistolPete	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:41:00 - [1025] Is there a CliffNotes vesion of this thread?
Lindsay Bluth War-Mart	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:43:00 - [1026] Edited by: Lindsay Bluth on 26/05/2007 06:42:16 I think the devs quit moderating this thread ages ago
Factor Benz GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:44:00 - [1027] Originally by: spiecies 2478 i also think that every single account of goonswarm should be banned from the game. thanks to them, the whole game is in complete disarray. I missed the part where we im'd GMs outside of the game who were our "friends" to handle something for us. That is the topic of discussion and that has caused the disarray. All we've done is post what happened. I'm sure you know that though because you read the thread...
Sickari	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:46:00 - [1028] after reading the original letter i only can say... this is sooo fked up... in every game some players try to get advantage fair or unfair ..but when the game staff is doing it...i think ur trying to see how much the community can take before u go bankrupt.. u should rethink your strategy because last i knew the predominant age of peeps playing eve is 20+ and were not stupid and wont turn a blind eye forever..fuk this game if it uneven...either we all cheat or noone cheat...if not let it die like soo many other games. R.I.P. u mofos
Shadow Steel	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:46:00 - [1029] BoB is a bastion of heresy! Only large scale military action will cleanse this world of their wickedness. Attack now, all! Rise up, and strike them down! Destroy them before their blasphemy and blight can spread further! (In-game military action/guerilla warfare For-The-Win.)
JeanColbert	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:46:00 - [1030] Misstakes are made everywhere, crooks and rotten appels are also everywhere. We should give ccp the opportunity to correct any mistakes made. Let them show they can deal just and fairly and with credibility. I would advice them to let the ceo himself (or a thrustwhorthy outsider) underwrite the report of the investigation.
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:47:00 - [1031] Originally by: spiecies 2478 i also think that every single account of goonswarm should be banned from the game. thanks to them, the whole game is in complete disarray. Blame the victims why don't you? I bet you are one of those guys who blames girls for getting raped cause they dressed like a ****?
Razor Jaxx Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:48:00 - [1032] I'm not going to comment on the allegations themselves. Whether they are true or not has little bearing on my personal capsuleer career, and I have ceased to have blind faith in CCP a long time ago. What I DO find really appalling, however, is the absolute decay of this gamer community. Why is it that some people cannot accept to play the game within its well-defined framework? Why can't you simply accept your own limitations, be it skill, time, or wealth, and just enjoy the challenge of making a life for yourself in the EvE galaxy, within the accepted set of rules? Why can't you just, you know, have fun within the accepted context? Metagaming? Cheating? Exploiting? Spamming? Ego-tripping? Is a game of exploding pixels really all that important to you that you absolutely need to gain the upper hand whatever the cost? BoB this, Goon that. In the end you (and all other interested parties) are equally guilty in ruining what used to be a very enjoyable community. Keep it up, it'll make it easier for those of us that still play the game for, you know, ****s & giggles to actually call it a day and leave.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:48:00 - [1033] Originally by: JeanColbert Misstakes are made everywhere, crooks and rotten appels are also everywhere. We should give ccp the opportunity to correct any mistakes made. Let them show they can deal just and fairly and with credibility. I would advice them to let the ceo himself (or a thrustwhorthy outsider) underwrite the report of the investigation. A good start would be having an actual investigator do the investigating.
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:49:00 - [1034] Originally by: goze Originally by: Sergeant Spot This bears repeating: ================================= CCP has fired staff before for in game misconduct. Yep, you read that right. And if the situation warrents it, I've no doubt they will again. But if CCP has any balls, they'll tell the howling lynch mob to go to hell. They will probably do so politely, but it will be the same thing. You'll have to do some digging, but the incident was all over the forums for a short while. If there is a firing warrented, I have no doubt it will happen. But I dont trust howling lynch mobs. You need to re-read the allegations - Raekhan wasn't fired for game misconduct, he was fired at BoB's explicit request. Dude, Raekhan basically told the guy to STFU in Local--read the logs, not his biased personal account of it!. That's blatant misconduct. Raekhan is supposed to be a neutral reporter on the news; he's not supposed to affect it in any way. As soon as someone suggested he was, the correct thing to do would have been to move FAR away and cloak, while asking a higher-up on IRC what to do next. Instead, he smacked in Local. I'd have fired him, too. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Maskface Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:49:00 - [1035] Totally inappropriate..... 2007.05.26 04:56:54 ] Nipild Ziomek > http://goonfleet.com/open_letter_to_CCP.html [ 2007.05.26 04:56:54 ] Minkz0r > thx [ 2007.05.26 04:56:55 ] Agrilad > http://www.EmpireResearch.org [ 2007.05.26 04:57:39 ] DBW > wow thats way to long to read i dont really care that much [ 2007.05.26 04:57:42 ] PMA > wtb guardian-vexor [ 2007.05.26 04:57:48 ] DBW > thanks anyway though [ 2007.05.26 04:58:00 ] Death'giver > lol,guardian vexor [ 2007.05.26 04:58:19 ] SipeoM > Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer (Item Exchange) [ 2007.05.26 04:58:30 ] GM Kutsu > there is a proper thread for that on the forums.. keep it there [ 2007.05.26 04:58:36 ] ManniXXX > WTS Projectile metastasis Adjuster II [ 2007.05.26 04:58:37 ] The Internets > You can get em for 100 isk on the test server PMA [ 2007.05.26 04:59:03 ] The Internets > Roger that =x [ 2007.05.26 04:59:29 ] Amber Leonne > Hehehe, Kutsu has a silly face =) Like an Ammarrian Homer Simpson, I like it =P [ 2007.05.26 04:59:33 ] Allinput > Kutsu the proper place for that is not to happen at all dont you think? [ 2007.05.26 04:59:43 ] Khal > allinput, bad idea [ 2007.05.26 04:59:58 ] Khal > wait a week, some people will quit, other wont, just wait it out [ 2007.05.26 05:00:11 ] GM Kutsu > true. people shouldn't spread rumours, but should take it up with the proper channels and wait for them to respond [ 2007.05.26 05:00:23 ] Allinput > agreed [ 2007.05.26 05:00:49 ] Allinput > hope it turns out better than the last few [ 2007.05.26 05:00:57 ] Mazare Mircea > tbh, it's getting kinda hard to trust the proper channels, all GS spamming of the forums aside [ 2007.05.26 05:01:02 ] GM Kutsu > its just a moutain out of a molehill [ 2007.05.26 05:01:08 ] The Internets > I'd just like to say that a very large number of people do not read the EVE forums and that I believe using local channels to discuss such important issues should not be frowned upon [ 2007.05.26 05:01:30 ] GM Kutsu > discussion.. fine.. dont spam out of game links [ 2007.05.26 05:01:51 ] The Internets > I wasnt spamming =o [ 2007.05.26 05:01:59 ] Khal > sigh [ 2007.05.26 05:02:02 ] GM Kutsu > hence you are still talking here [ 2007.05.26 05:02:04 ] GM Kutsu > [ 2007.05.26 05:02:06 ] The Internets > Ill just stfu and go back to cowering [ 2007.05.26 05:02:07 ] Kakihara > you can't really say it's a mountain out of a molehill until we all hear the verdict on this [ 2007.05.26 05:02:10 ] The Internets > /emote cowers [ 2007.05.26 05:02:35 ] GM Kutsu > I've seen the petitions in question... [ 2007.05.26 05:02:37 ] Mazare Mircea > SISI is getting nicer and nicer to play ... [ 2007.05.26 05:02:42 ] GM Kutsu > its a mountain out of a molehill [ 2007.05.26 05:03:23 ] The Internets > But what about the ISD issue that wasnt addressed (to my knowledge)? [ 2007.05.26 05:03:29 ] Khal > i dont believe that is the part of the allegation epople are being most angered by [ 2007.05.26 05:03:45 ] GM Kutsu > unlikely but I will wait to hear from Arkanon. [ 2007.05.26 05:03:51 ] The Internets > The checking POS stuff with bugs seems like a simple misunderstanding [ 2007.05.26 05:03:54 ] Mazare Mircea > that's another mountain out of a molehill internets [ 2007.05.26 05:03:54 ] Khal > ok fair enough [ 2007.05.26 05:04:06 ] Khal > agreed internets [ 2007.05.26 05:04:19 ] GM Kutsu > I doubt it, but have no clue about that particular case, so "no comment" [ 2007.05.26 05:04:32 ] Mazare Mircea > like the t20 incident, like the faction fited RS, like the way LV got a hel ms in an event [ 2007.05.26 05:04:41 ] Mazare Mircea > all mountains out of molehills .... [ 2007.05.26 05:05:02 ] The Internets > Well, tbh [ 2007.05.26 05:05:10 ] Mazare Mircea > this allegation doesn't need to be true Kutsu, the fact that it is there ... ****es ppl more than if it is true or not [ 2007.05.26 05:05:15 ] The Internets > In the end its still an 'internet spaceship pewpew videogame' [ 2007.05.26 05:05:2
Chib Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:49:00 - [1036] tbh i think the worst part is that for the most part the reputations of both BOB and CCP have been ruined and the actions of a few has marked the many which im sure would not involve themselves with this since the t20 incident first came to light people who get beaten by bob will always have the argument they were beaten by CCP..whether or not its the case still remains to be proven for the most part but i truly hope for the sake of the game that the allegations made turn out to be innocent\false i happen to know alot of good guys in bob who are excellent pvp'rs, infact its probably the single biggest collection of hardcore vets in the game so its a shame for them and a shame for the game as a whole ---------------------------------------------
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:49:00 - [1037] And on it goes. Sort out your ******* employees ccp. Maybe you should start to run it professionally instead of hiring all these bloody players that work for less than minimum wages and will kill your game with their hobnobbing with other players releasing information and helping just so they can be cool for 5mins. Other games have died from this disease, I hope you realise the threat you are standing infront of and that nothing apart from total openness and some pretty serious banning will help you.
spiecies 2478	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:51:00 - [1038] aldo im not allowed to say it, but i think that with recent events, CCP really screwed up and goonswarm only helped that. you also see some messages from goonswarm that they dont care about the game. then why the hell are they paying? its a fact that EVE - Online is the biggest MMORPG game in the world. its also a fact that EVE - Online isnt going to survive for another year if all this is happening.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:51:00 - [1039] Originally by: Danthomir :-\ I came to this game from WoW, seeing that CCP was a caring and sensible company that paid attention to everyone's opinions and needs. Balance was done with the players in mind, the players were informed of what was happening, and there was even a server that stuff could be tested on prior to implementation. Big, happy community where the game-makers are buddy-buddy with the game-players. In some cases, too buddy-buddy, it seems. Friends are cool, but extensive influence exerted through those friends? Blizzard's practices kept something as huge as Starcraft 2 hidden from the public. If they can do that, they sure as hell can keep WoW GMs from showing favoritism. Since WoW's the big MMO out right now, it's the standard by which other games can be measured. In many, many, many things, EVE surpasses WoW by leaps and bounds. Why did it fail in this? Writing this, it occurs to me that this thread is probably a safety valve, meant to relieve pressure without getting any work done. Does anyone in a position of power care and pay attention? Are all the announcements and devblogs merely empty words? Where did the trust I once had in CCP go? Comparing Blizzard and CCP is a nono. "I am matter... I am anti-matter... I can see your past... I can see your future... I consume time... And I will consume you!" -Culex (SMRPG)
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:51:00 - [1040] Originally by: Razor Jaxx Why is it that some people cannot accept to play the game within its well-defined framework? I'd love to, but unfortunately different players seem to be playing within completely different "well-defined framework[s]" which is rather annoying in a PvP game. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
OozoO Caldari Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:53:00 - [1041] lets make a mountain out of a mowlhill cake! --------------
Best	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:54:00 - [1042] well well well...this time seems like the shat is going to hit the fan... ccp get your shat together... you can't be confident about this game any longer...whats so difficult about being forthright and honest???
Lith Fael Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:56:00 - [1043] I wonder how many of ccp's top people are in secretly in BoB? Anyway CCP should make an amendment to their EULA somewhere along the lines of "customer is hereby ensured that ccp employees do not take part in the game and thus ccp ensures a level playing field for all players", that way all players can have a legal document to give them back their faith in CCP No ccp employee should be in any way able to play the game as a standard player, especially if they are privvy to future events/changes. In the real world taking advantage of insider info to gain advantages gets people put in jail in some situations, such as money trading.. Tho I guess they dont need to worry about that unless someone decides the timecard trading thing is a form of legal, real currency. Note: Views expressed are my own and are no way a reflection of any corporation or alliance ties that may be involved.
Baron Dots	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:59:00 - [1044] Take a look at every BOB and friend's posts that try to suppress the quest for the truth, it's written by immature people who can't help throwing insults. Cheating and smacking is all they know apparently.
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 06:59:00 - [1045] Originally by: JeanColbert Misstakes are made everywhere, crooks and rotten appels are also everywhere. We should give ccp the opportunity to correct any mistakes made. Let them show they can deal just and fairly and with credibility. I would advice them to let the ceo himself (or a thrustwhorthy outsider) underwrite the report of the investigation. Unfortunately CCP so far has failed any attempt to police themselves to the point where it takes a threadnought and a downing of the forums on both occasions just to get CCP to even acknowledge any wrong doing. People are really ****ed and want blood, Like right this second. Seriously, If the backlash from the last cover-up was such an embarrassing (Yet somewhat hilarious) state of affairs i cannot wait for their response this time around. Yeah we already know BoB and CCP employees are cheaters, maybe not all of them but we know that its happened, this has already been confirmed when everyone last started throwing allegations around and the scapegoat owned up, yet for some reason was not punished. Yeah we also know that we don't have a Dev's admission of guilt to these new set of allegations, Because now CCP is meant to prove to us that they are in fact not completely and utterly corrupt. CCP's truthfulness and professionalism is now seriously doubted and you can expect to see more and more of these threads until the issue of transparency is solved by CCP once and for all. Or they at least manage to successfully convince us that they are actually trying to help, Which obviously is not working if we are having this problem, Again.
Gee Lok	Posted - 2007.05.26 07:02:00 - [1046] Originally by: Leonard Darwin Yikes... at the start of this thread it was pure speculation. Goonies putting forth something that may or may not have had a thread of truth woven in it. Totally skeptical. An interesting read, but nothing more there until more information was revealed. Anyone who any of the accusations on this thread at face value is being foolish.
Torhas Veto.	Posted - 2007.05.26 07:03:00 - [1047] To be fair to the devs, many devs for many MMOs play their own game and may even be biased about it. The problem lies with the nature of EVE: it's a game where cheating can gain much more than just "epic l00tz," there is actually something hinging on it. The line is definitely grayer in this sort of situation than, say, WoW or City of Heroes. In fact, the only game coming close is UO, and we all know that CCP devs were all cheating griefers in that. :p Disclaimer: not saying CCP cheat Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Simon Sairtonic	Posted - 2007.05.26 07:04:00 - [1048] I was really hoping this sort of stuff was resolved by now. Guess I won't be handing my money over.
Dav0r	Posted - 2007.05.26 07:21:00 - [1049] Edited by: Dav0r on 26/05/2007 07:19:55 So were the three main questions answered yet? I'm tired of waiting.
Jessica Sartuenski	Posted - 2007.05.26 07:22:00 - [1050] Originally by: Price Checking The **** just keeps comin' "For pure hilarity, I petitioned about GM policy concerning the allegations, that they should keep their trap shut until the investigation has been carried out. Guess who responded to my petition Yep. Edit: Yes that's right, dev conduct by GM Kutsu is being handled by.....GM Kutsu." That there is a GM handling a petition filed about his own inappropriate behaviour. are you trying to suggest that there might be a conflict of interest within ccp

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