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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:30:00 -
[1141]
Rod, noone accuses you of anything yet, just chill the **** out.
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TOGAKURE Daisuke
Occam's Razor Combine
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:30:00 -
[1142]
 Originally by: MotherMoon
right! but, have you ever played in a pen and paper where the GM plays one of the PC's?
Well, lets call this game big LARP because it's definitely more that than P&P. All GM's in LARPs I know are players themselves (works because there's like 10+ GM's...).
I bet some poor wage-slave wrote a nice script for the event which the players try to torpedo from the first second. Honestly I don't like railroading/scripting the event myself. But I can also imagine in this kind if game you might have to do so (to code all the stuff in). In P&P it's much easier to let people do what they want to.
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St Juste
The Choir Eternal
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:30:00 -
[1143]
Hmmm... Its getting to the point where this reminds me of good old fashioned Tabloid Journalism style hysteria. So far it seems the 'proof' is the equivalent of a blurry paparazzi photo.
Next up, lets attack some paediatricians! |
Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:31:00 -
[1144]
Oh My God .. again! 
"No, bad CCP! Don't touch that fire! It will burn you!"
"But moooooooooooooooooooom!"
.. Why do we even bother to logon? 
"to be honest it makes me wonder about the mental state of a person who would join a corp called Space Perverts and Forum warriors"
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MotherMoon
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:31:00 -
[1145]
"And finally, we'd win anyway, we don't need to do any of this to be better then you at Eve.
/i
Now, I cba to really take this whole mess seriously again and come out feeling dumber again while seeing the legion of ******s succeed in their mission to cause damage where none is warranted again. So i'm not gooing to be following this debacle further. Enjoy your witchhunt, I don't quite get why you're not all already banned but eh, I'm not a dev am I."
wait... again???? did you just say that the whole free BPO's never happen?
IT did happen!there was a dev blog
someone got sry
I can't stand how wrong all of this is.
again?>
again?
again?
again?
shakes head*
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Alice Cholmondeley
Christine.
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:32:00 -
[1146]
Originally by: Beyond Horizon
Rod, noone accuses you of anything yet, just chill the **** out.
Try again. |
Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:32:00 -
[1147]
Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 26/05/2007 08:32:48
Why any non-sided-with-Bob player who play in 0.0 Alliances looks at GMs and think "They are against us" ?
That is not normal.
- edit - The GM players I talk about includes these "I wanna film your fleet guys, only this : who is the FC of your blob ?"
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History is made by whinners
Originally by: DB Preacher
(...) Ignore what the coalition muppets are saying on their forums (...)
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Necro EvilZombie
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:32:00 -
[1148]
quit posting with alts, all of you positive to me and negative, its really lame
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Merc998
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:32:00 -
[1149]
So that I can be on a level playing field with certain other players can the GM's, ISD , and Devs please send me their MSN so I can circumvent the petition system that everyone else has to use and call in favours when I need too
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Also I am going to start to Role Play soon , via the MSN can you tell me when you are going to give away another mothership on a RP arc so I can get everything ready to ensure I win it
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And BTW I would like to know where XXX's capital shipyards are hidden, could you just quickly log in as a director to their corps and see ( dont do a Database query as Internal affairs might spot that)
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ghosttr
Amarr
ARK-CORP
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:32:00 -
[1150]
Originally by: Nox Aeterna
2) The ISD character. It is apparent from reading the chat logs, that he ignored ISD rules, and an instruction to leave system. Both are acts of insubordination...which is and should be sufficient grounds for termination from any company.
Well I don't think thats entirely true. If he was there on business, (because of a petition, etc) he needs to stay there to get his job done, a player shouldn't be able to tell a staff member to leave. And a staff member shouldn't have to explain his actions.
Lets say an enemy of BOB filed an exploit petition (the guy thats in the pos thats being sieged), and that a BOB was using an exploit. The CCP staff have the right to be there to keep an eye on things. Logs tell them alot but somethings need to be witnessed first hand.
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capt robn0id
Caldari
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:33:00 -
[1151]
Let me see if I can address the arguments and counter arguments.
1) DEvh4x omg joined our corp, gave himself director axs for 20 mins then left all without a word.
1 - retort) He was probably fixing a bugged pos...they do this all the time.
sorry, there were no petitioned pos, the corp only had 3 and they all work fine.
2)Isd reporter banned because bob and co said so
2 - retort) The guy did bump the dread and should have left when told to
if this bump caused any problems i'm sure it would have been petitioned. Getting banned without a chance to explain onesself, based totally on the msn messages sent by a regular player, is an odd result to this. I dont personally have msn contacts of CCP staf, and therefor, this is itself creates a skewed playing field irrespective of what goes on in this correspondence.
3) rp stuff
3-retort) who knows. I dont rp
Now, until the facts actually come to light I dont think anyonew should make any grand statements however, as it stands now, none of these issues have been answered sufficiently
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
Lords Of Amber
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:34:00 -
[1152]
Originally by: 1337tong
What i am getting at, is that i doubt the ISD incident about Raehkan's so called story being true and in actual fact it was a total fabrication of the truth. he was probably banned for other malicious acts that were done by him (probably in your favor or RA's) and as a goonie holds a grudge against bob and now ccp for banning him. this gave him his just cause to write what he has in your "Open Letter to CCP" then again im wondering if he even wrote it at all maybe it was another member who thought it would be a good idea to try and attack BOB through discrediting CCP even more
Wtf?
"I doubt... in actual fact it was total fabrication... he was probably banned... probably in your favor... im wondering... all maybe..."
You bring pain. Please, don't post. Ever again.
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Kaoyama Ameko
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:35:00 -
[1153]
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Kaoyama Ameko
Originally by: L4NC3R
Ya know, I read....about 5 of the beginning pages and a few before this page and I have to say, I have played many MMO's over the years too. From FFXI to WoW to EQ (seems like all of them though :P) and I would have to say that Eve is most likely the best of them all. But after reading what has been going on, I might have to say screw Eve. I love this game, but if the head honchos are gonna kill the experience for us all, then I would like to leave. GM's and Dev's arent supposed to be a major part of the game. Friends or not, everything should be professional. I know this is what this whole thread is saying but geeze man, give us some news. Did you all **** up? Yes or No? Be truthful. Is there something going on? Yes or No. And are you all at least doing something about it? Thats all we ask. But if there are some answers in this 30 page long thread please link me and sorry for the ****. But I would rather suck at a game then play a game with unbeatable cheaters that actually affect me.
/end rant
FUD FUD FUD
WOAH!
fud you you fuding fuder
unnessasy that was just a player asking for help. they even said if they are wrong they are sry in advance.
and you go off on them.
bob alt I assume
erm, FUD = Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.
I'm not a BoB alt, I'm accusing GoonSwarm of using FUD (a particularly cheap way to go after an opponent).
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Skyson Teelf
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:36:00 -
[1154]
The problem is that NOTHING will be done about this except for it being swept under a rug. As a previous poster said, it's gonna get locked and possibly deleted. Its all just rabble-rabble-rabble-rabble-rabble-rabble-rabble-rabble-rabble-rabble-rabble-rabble-rabble-rabble-rabble-rabble and of course everyone hates that. So what is going to be done? See first sentence. NOTHING. And for everyone else, just fuggedaboutit cause if it gets 'fixed' its as good as taking your kid to the petting zoo for a check up. WORTHLESS. Sorry goonswarm for the accusations of trolling and sorry (legitimate role playing) BoB players for the storm created by this. May this game R.I.P.
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Ian Logalus
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:36:00 -
[1155]
Haven't read a single post in this topic I will have to agree with all the BoB people before me, since I'm a bob pet DUH!.
In the time I had to judge sources for good information I have come up with realy weird stories which were true or realy normal stories which were all made up. The way this is handed to CCP is not the way it should have been done. I have had a ISD member join a corp of my chars as well to check some stuff out which was stuck, it's nothing new at all. What do you want, a stuck BPO/bugged POS for instance or someone helping you out asap even if he has to join your corp.
I haven't read the full open letter yet either but it wouldn't be the first made up/twisted story coming from goons.
I have heared loads of stories about goon buying isk by selling GTC to RA in mass, but still I don't believe that why would I believe those people which have been whining and petitioning their opponents for every small thing over and over again in the past when they try to 'bust' another CCP employe or volunteer.
GL with solving this 'issue' CCP. I have full trust in what you do (besides fixxing the drone interface :P ) and hope you can take care of this in a propper way. may it be banning players or kicking a employee in the butt.
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suza
Prison Break Inc.
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:37:00 -
[1156]
Let us not forget that this is not the first time that solid accusations have been made regarding developer/gm relationships with BoB. Back to the days of the ASCN wars, questions about how BoB member accounts were able to by-pass the login throuttle process when nodes collapsed was asked. Only someone with a CCP registered IP is able to do this, not a complete allience. Also about how system wide pos's suddenly offline etc.
With any game where developers/gms play a certain amount of fixing happens, dropping epic armour in wow, a faction ship in eve etc. It does no harm and to a certain degree is a perk for the hours they put in.
What has happened here is where it has simply got out of hand. There is clearly a culture with some in CCP that "you can do what you want", however when you open your doors to the paying customer that is not totally so.
GM's and developers need to step out of the game for a couple of months, play on the sisi server spawning themselves titans to play with and let the player base solve the situation.
What that means for BoB having to for once fight on an equal footing, well anyone can guess.
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MotherMoon
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:38:00 -
[1157]
Originally by: TOGAKURE Daisuke
Originally by: MotherMoon
right! but, have you ever played in a pen and paper where the GM plays one of the PC's?
Well, lets call this game big LARP because it's definitely more that than P&P. All GM's in LARPs I know are players themselves (works because there's like 10+ GM's...).
I bet some poor wage-slave wrote a nice script for the event which the players try to torpedo from the first second. Honestly I don't like railroading/scripting the event myself. But I can also imagine in this kind if game you might have to do so (to code all the stuff in). In P&P it's much easier to let people do what they want to.
ah but this is not a larp
it's a PC game
and this is not about events. it's about real player sov and losses.
the same thing that makes EvE great makes the GM's effecting something that much wrose.
when you lose a titan while it's building it's gone. you don't respawn.
Lets say the Gm wasn't cheating.
he is still playing for a corp that is on good terms with bob.
he is still trying to fix a buged POS
Thus he will see everything being built in the POS
wether he likes it or not he now has information that he could use unfairly because he is playing a GM and PC
And because that POS will effect his corp it must be hard to not tell
because the loss of ships and mods is real
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Brain Sweep
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:38:00 -
[1158]
NOOBs alt speaking.
1. Since u pay EVE in reall money so u can say it is Real Life. Also here a lot of people make rl money selling isk or EVE time codes.
2. Reall money -> Reall life -> Realltime = EVE
3. CCP allows ingame alt characters spying, stealing etc...(our small corp was allready infested :) i was not mad at the guy i told him Good game for it since as u all say its the part of the game.
4. SO i dont see the problem with b..., g...,or any other alliance alts join CCP and spy, help or ... i think it should be done more often also. EVE is RL.
Only logical solution i see on these issues is make EVE free game 
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PC5
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:38:00 -
[1159]
Edited by: PC5 on 26/05/2007 08:39:50
Nice, really nice and im not suprised. Opinion will follow.
Tell me how should i trust now that CCP is good company and BoB dosent have special rights and 'powers'?
Nothing will explain that. Dianabolic can work hard in this thread, responding, saying his stuff but it dosent change much, except that we know he have to push that reply button a lot. At last i have good comedy show.
Maybe if i would be one of pets i will say same thing as Xelas guy, something like 'i dont see anything wrong here...'
Where are we heading with such crap ingame?
Edit :
"No, bad CCP! Don't touch that fire! It will burn you!"
"But moooooooooooooooooooom!"
Thats funny, id like to see some movie about it! :D
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Alice Cholmondeley
Christine.
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:39:00 -
[1160]
Originally by: capt robn0id
Let me see if I can address the arguments and counter arguments.
1) DEvh4x omg joined our corp, gave himself director axs for 20 mins then left all without a word.
1 - retort) He was probably fixing a bugged pos...they do this all the time.
sorry, there were no petitioned pos, the corp only had 3 and they all work fine.
2)Isd reporter banned because bob and co said so
2 - retort) The guy did bump the dread and should have left when told to
if this bump caused any problems i'm sure it would have been petitioned. Getting banned without a chance to explain onesself, based totally on the msn messages sent by a regular player, is an odd result to this. I dont personally have msn contacts of CCP staf, and therefor, this is itself creates a skewed playing field irrespective of what goes on in this correspondence.
3) rp stuff
3-retort) who knows. I dont rp
Now, until the facts actually come to light I dont think anyonew should make any grand statements however, as it stands now, none of these issues have been answered sufficiently
I think everyone (except some enemies of bob) is getting tired of the attemped wannabe drama bombs by goonswarm. The timing of their open letter suggests they are having a hard time fighting the war in-game. |
MotherMoon
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:41:00 -
[1161]
Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/05/2007 08:40:35
erm, FUD = Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.
I'm not a BoB alt, I'm accusing GoonSwarm of using FUD (a particularly cheap way to go after an opponent).
haha
...ops. hides lets jusat edit those 2 posts out :P
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Valan
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:43:00 -
[1162]
I've come to the conclusion Goons, BoB and CCP between them are doing their best to wreck this game for everyone else.
IF CCP have screwed up again can they really admit it after last time? Just have to wait and see.
/start sig
I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
/end sig |
Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
Lords Of Amber
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:43:00 -
[1163]
Originally by: Invidious Malinigvious
any proof? You know your idiot corp members have petitioned him about 10 times aleady.
How would you know what?
Oh wait... |
FatHed
Eye of the Abyss
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:45:00 -
[1164]
For those of you still not understanding the problem.
Ignore the petition and POS issue.
Ignore the events issue.
Ignore all the thoughts of better spawns in BoB space.
Ignore the fact that CCP has friends in corporations.
Ignore the fact that they will use their friends to help test things before they are deployed.
The only issue, is the abuse of the friendship to accomplish whatever task you wanted to at the time. It's not about reporting bugs via MSN, nor is it about asking for advice from the people who made the game. It's about abusing that relationship.
Sure, the other issues compound this problem, but this is the main issue, and sadly, it's the very players telling everyone to shut up, that confirmed this.
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Gerard Deneth
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:47:00 -
[1165]
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Originally by: Invidious Malinigvious
any proof? You know your idiot corp members have petitioned him about 10 times aleady.
How would you know what?
Oh wait...
lol lol
wonderful catch
I think bob and goons should stop posting they are boht just digging deeper holes
I say we get a proper faction war: Get either the Ammar, Caldari, or whoever's nearest to em and have them conquer BOB space for their own empires :D
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PriestWithKnives
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:47:00 -
[1166]
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
I think everyone (except some enemies of bob) is getting tired of the attemped wannabe drama bombs by goonswarm. The timing of their open letter suggests they are having a hard time fighting the war in-game.
Yes because you know the last time that goons brought up drama nothing happened and everything was right with the world...oh wait...
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Thor Payne
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:47:00 -
[1167]
Originally by: Charleton Heston
So, what about the more relevant question, how BOB got a CCP employee to intervein in an ISD doing his job within a minute, and then subsequently fired?
Because that is a lot more important than the GM joining and leaving a corp.
Proof? Oh that's right. There is no proof...
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Vladt
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:48:00 -
[1168]
another T20 ?
Well guess what they will cover it up as the last time.
They will close the Thread if the counter hits 100 and Kieron urges us to write "personal" to him and that will be the end to it.
T20 was a no-no and that incendent now doesnt help either, me as a player seems to be only a "moneypart" in the game , if Im joing a differnt Party then the well beloved BOB Party , i will see and expirience all kind of Problems as a lot of the GM seems to have STRONG feelings for the BOB site.
As a money spending player I dont like that , it is like the referee of a game is in a fanclub of one of the teams !
So if the GM want to play there BOB - EVe - Game, do it , but keep in mind that you NEED the others for your play and that they are "upset" ( so much that the server went down of the forums post !? )
CCP Sort it out or you have a critical buisness related Problem on your Hand !!
I would urge CCP to do "Press Conference" like in RL, there is need of information and the time is ticking, the T20 Incident made already headlights on other IT Sites .....
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HordeZla
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:49:00 -
[1169]
EVE comunity needs to grow TBH
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Vaeldan Athargan
Caldari Navy 'Black Knights' VFA-154
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:49:00 -
[1170]
Originally by: Valan
I've come to the conclusion Goons, BoB and CCP between them are doing their best to wreck this game for everyone else.
This is the core point of this entire mess. Since these three groups seem to be in bed together, and constitute a large portion (?) of activity in the game right now... us little people are the ones sitting on the sidelines wondering if the entire game is corrupt and worth playing.
CCP needs to realize that they are very quickly losing street cred (Digg, Slashdot, IGN) over crap like this. I know of 4 co-workers that will not even look at this game because of the bad press it is getting, both last time and this time. I know 5 players who have left because of events like this, specifically.
If crap like this keeps happening, it wouldn't be unthinkable that people will start leaving in droves... if they aren't already.
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