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Bienurdau Hywoaf Minmatar Matari Holo News Network	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:11:00 - [1201] Originally by: Mel Nalsek Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Frabala Don't know if it's already posted, but this admiral whatever is the same guy who was on site of D2's Titan kill minutes after the kill, congratulating everyone involved. Screen Thread oh god creepy Wow... Just... wow. That's quite a coincidence. There are no coincidences in life..... Idea: Treaties Idea: Jump Rigs
Vaeldan Athargan Caldari Navy 'Black Knights' VFA-154	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:12:00 - [1202] Originally by: Aries Acheron Question: Was Orange Species joking about 'having Bob on the MSN'? Anyone have any evidence aside from an off-hand remark he made? Whether he was joking or not, the "coincidental" chain of events leading to the banning of the ISD volunteer seem suspect. But judging from other commentary from BoB players about being friends with the Devs and QA people, I for one believe that yes, they do have out-of-game inroads to official CCP employees that others do not have. I don't know if CCP can ever "prove" anything now, since public opinion is firmly entrenched (45 pages of posts later)... so we may never know.
Bienurdau Hywoaf Minmatar Matari Holo News Network	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:12:00 - [1203] Originally by: Aries Acheron Originally by: Malloc Memrel (I used to work for Blizz, other completely random stuff... Sorry. But people on the Internet's qualifications are automatically suspect, and using that to establish one's authority is very unreliable. It is true however, that conflicts of interest must be anticipated and prevented. Question: Was Orange Species joking about 'having Bob on the MSN'? Anyone have any evidence aside from an off-hand remark he made? Dianabolic's comments in this very thread support that the upper echelon in BoB does in fact have an MSN contact with the Devs..... Idea: Treaties Idea: Jump Rigs
Cynogesic	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:12:00 - [1204] Originally by: Aries Acheron Originally by: Malloc Memrel (I used to work for Blizz, other completely random stuff... Sorry. But people on the Internet's qualifications are automatically suspect, and using that to establish one's authority is very unreliable. It is true however, that conflicts of interest must be anticipated and prevented. Question: Was Orange Species joking about 'having Bob on the MSN'? Anyone have any evidence aside from an off-hand remark he made? Our CEO has/had CCP people on MSN, so it wouldn't surprise me that other might.
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:12:00 - [1205] Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf Originally by: Mel Nalsek Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Frabala Don't know if it's already posted, but this admiral whatever is the same guy who was on site of D2's Titan kill minutes after the kill, congratulating everyone involved. Screen Thread oh god creepy Wow... Just... wow. That's quite a coincidence. There are no coincidences in life..... something is up that GM's account is very new as. looks like it was made... when the ISD member was kicked wait could someone look into the 4 month old?
Etho Demerzel Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:13:00 - [1206] Originally by: HankMurphy Edited by: HankMurphy on 26/05/2007 09:10:13 fact: goonswarm will sensationalize anything they can to further their agenda (edit to add: in this game or any other) you can cut the political rhetoric in this thread w/ a knife Fact, people like you just ignore the facts when it is convenient to you. I understand that there are no arguments to defend CCP or BoB here, but ad hominem fallacies are getting really old...
Kayl Breinhar Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:14:00 - [1207] Edited by: Kayl Breinhar on 26/05/2007 09:15:27 Originally by: Valan I've come to the conclusion Goons, BoB and CCP between them are doing their best to wreck this game for everyone else. IF CCP have screwed up again can they really admit it after last time? Just have to wait and see. You know, I can only speak for myself, but I really wish none of this crap was necessary to begin with, Valan. But with this war going on, it is. For as much as BoB has a right to enjoy this game, so do we - and the only thing we ask for is a level playing field on which to fight. More and more, it seems like no matter how hard we jump on our side, the field is always slanted towards the same people. But a level playing field is a tough thing to have when the other side has a direct line past the middle-man-heavy GM system. Even if the Devs they speak to don't directly intervene on their behalf, they can make certain through their position that their "friend's" petitions get served before others' or that their petitions receive extra scrutiny. None of us are naive enough to believe that said communications will stop even after today. No one logs Messenger. In fact, I'd expect there's probably been some laughs shared between "friends" over all of this and how nothing lasting will come of it. Furthermore, several times in this thread members of the "opposing side" have all but implied/said their in-game veterancy allows them that priviledge to skip the petition system the rest of us are bound to. This should anger you as much as it angers me. Earlier in this thread Dianabolic namedropped several people who supposedly have had direct contact to Devs outside the game. To my knowledge the only direct contact Goonswarm has ever had with the Dev staff has been at the Fanfest, a few instances when we've been asked to help stress test (which to my knowledge nothing has ever come of), and a single instance in XZH-4X local where Oveur was talking during one of the big battles there against D2. That's it. So, to answer the long-ago asked question - "who doesn't talk to the Devs," it's "us."
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:14:00 - [1208] fallacy ? no, i believe i said fact.
Carin K Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:14:00 - [1209] oh boy is fanfest gonna be fun :) /me readies crowbar in threatining position question 1, to CCP sharkbait, is dianabolic secretly your lover? question 2, to CCP sharkbait, tell us the truth behind the allegations of joining my friends at DS1 and happening to overhear a very sensitive conversation? question 3, also to CCP sharkbait, do u like the taste of crowbar? i think CCP should be glad I didnt honestly waste my money on tickets to see hairy icelandic men talk c* about how their game is soo fair. PS. anyone up for living a live on the test server?? lets just hope CCP arent cheating that too, o wait, let me look back, yes, someone took the BOB station in nol to do some research, they did it fair and square with pos and firepower, but within hours CCP had given the station back to BOB claiming bob were using it for research first, people spent their time fighting for it, but it was useless, WHY BOTHER FIGHTING BOB WHEN THEY CANNOT BE BEAT BECAUSE THEY ARE** ISD... and now, looks like their even ccp, people who work in the same place as the ones who make there living from my subscription, just get out, please or give me solid evidence that all the stuff i just typed was rong, and sincerel hope you can because i love this game i just dont know if i can love it some more after this??
Carin K Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:16:00 - [1210] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: doyoulikemytightsweater Just in a nutshell - can anyone explain what exactly really happened ? I ve tried reading through the thread but couldnt find it - well, I m still reading but curious as I am I d like to know now :o) A GM made himself the CEO of darksatr to Fix a buggy POS he then quit a few mins later and didn't answer any of the CEOs or players form darkstar going "wait, what? why was he our CEO? while this would be all fine because he is a GM, he is also a PC. and thus it's the same as PC going into your corp and getting full reign. Darkstars hidden capital building POS is now no longer hidden to one dev/Gm at least. will he tell bob? or will there be more twists?? one thing i do hate is OVEREXAGGERATION - he wasnt ceo, he was director, i know theres not much difference but if ure telling an innocent bystander what happened, just get it right
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:16:00 - [1211] Originally by: Carin K oh boy is fanfest gonna be fun :) devs gonna be armed w/ tasers
Etho Demerzel Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:17:00 - [1212] Originally by: HankMurphy fallacy ? no, i believe i said fact. Yes you did. The fact you said it does not make it a fact though. Look up in your friendly dictionary in case you are confused. ;)
ShadowlordUK	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:17:00 - [1213] Yep anything text based could be a lie... yes we USED to trust CCP when things like this came up. Ironically, as a previous poster pointed out... Its all the bob alts and devs ADMITTING that they immediately abused out of game contacts to affect in game matters. Thats makes me.. sad i guess... If im playing a game with my friends, or running one. I dont feel the need to 'fix' stuff, so one player has an advantage over another. So why do CCP employees continue to do it?! Once trust has been lost its very tough to get back. And no matter how hard people try. There are certain elements of these stories (as usual only the minor ones are admitted.), that can never be denied. (How do you tell a player who just saw an isd ship self destruct with his own eyes - that it never happened. for instance?... you cant...) But whats really sad is that instead of admitting a minor mistake and being honourable, as you would expect. The initial first reaction is cover up and lie... It doesnt matter how honourable or honest people like Oveur and Hammerhead are.... if the people in middle management are corrupt (eg lacking in the basic desire to be fair to people, that hopefully most humans have) then nothing is ever going to change. 'Hey its only a game, dont you have a life, why are you bothering with this post.... etc...'? WHY? Because I, and many others put a LOT of hours (and less importantly money), into this game.... if you added up all the man hours spent playing this game and took a very very rough estimate of a westerner's hourly wages you will realise why people get so upset. For some its almost a quarter of their LIVES for the last 2 or 3 years!!! CCP needs a code of conduct for its employees that places integrity at the center of its business. And it needs to enforce this code on its employees. Otherwise this game will continue to go 'inactive', one person at a time, until everybody moves to a newer game.
Vaeldan Athargan Caldari Navy 'Black Knights' VFA-154	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:19:00 - [1214] Edited by: Vaeldan Athargan on 26/05/2007 09:18:44 Originally by: HankMurphy Edited by: HankMurphy on 26/05/2007 09:10:13 fact: goonswarm will sensationalize anything they can to further their agenda (edit to add: in this game or any other) you can cut the political rhetoric in this thread w/ a knife It is quite clear to many people following this fiasco that this is clearly a large part of metagaming propogandizing by BoB/Goon. They are publicizing this in order to draw attention for their own personal reasons. We get that. But it is also irrelevant, so you can stop trying to divert the focus. This does not change the "fact" that the events uncovered and publicized are very detrimental to the community of the game. A large portion of players are rather torqued off right now and either leaving, considering leaving, or whatever. The bottom line is that the respectability of this game has seriously dropped after the combination of the "T20" episode and now this. Sites like IGN, Slashdot and Digg are following this thread, and public opinion is shifting against Eve/CCP. That means, political rhetoric or metagaming propoganda or not, this game is in jeopardy of losing subscriptions, either current or potential because of loss of respectability. Get over the BoB vs Goon aspect of the argument. Some players are so close to this crap that they can't see the forest for the trees.
Etho Demerzel Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:21:00 - [1215] Originally by: Carin K oh boy is fanfest gonna be fun :) /me readies crowbar in threatining position question 1, to CCP sharkbait, is dianabolic secretly your lover? question 2, to CCP sharkbait, tell us the truth behind the allegations of joining my friends at DS1 and happening to overhear a very sensitive conversation? question 3, also to CCP sharkbait, do u like the taste of crowbar? i think CCP should be glad I didnt honestly waste my money on tickets to see hairy icelandic men talk c* about how their game is soo fair. PS. anyone up for living a live on the test server?? lets just hope CCP arent cheating that too, o wait, let me look back, yes, someone took the BOB station in nol to do some research, they did it fair and square with pos and firepower, but within hours CCP had given the station back to BOB claiming bob were using it for research first, people spent their time fighting for it, but it was useless, WHY BOTHER FIGHTING BOB WHEN THEY CANNOT BE BEAT BECAUSE THEY ARE** ISD... and now, looks like their even ccp, people who work in the same place as the ones who make there living from my subscription, just get out, please or give me solid evidence that all the stuff i just typed was rong, and sincerel hope you can because i love this game i just dont know if i can love it some more after this?? Question. Why are you here in this thread? Answer: you know you are guilty. Otherwise you wouldn't care. You, and by you I mean all bobsters here, are vehemently denying it, in all the other occasions, until there is no way to deny anymore. Then, when you cannot deny it anymore you will deny the next thing, attack the people who exposed you and say that yes you did it, but it was irrelevant. Grow up!
Captain Crimson CoreTech Industries E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:21:00 - [1216] Goonswarm ftl Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
Chelone	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:22:00 - [1217] Threefold solution: 1.) Ban BoB from Eve 2.) Ban Goonswarm from Eve 3.) Fire the entire CCP staff. Then the rest of us can get back to the game. Thanks.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:23:00 - [1218] Originally by: Etho Demerzel Originally by: HankMurphy fallacy ? no, i believe i said fact. Yes you did. The fact you said it does not make it a fact though. Look up in your friendly dictionary in case you are confused. ;) ah, you think what i said wasn't fact, however i contend that what i did say is fact! and i can support it w/ multiple incidents in which they have done ANYthing possible to achieve their goals. proof! compared to your silly tinfoil hatteries relating any action by a dev in this game to fixing it against them and theirs. to contend my claim you would need evidence to prove that goon wouldn't do anything they could 'including crashing a games' forums ' to make an incident blow up out of preportions. now tell me goons wouldn't do something like that! love to hear it! their reputation is by far (and not just in eve) regarded as the lowest possible amongst any gaming community. its not even an argument
Avrunath	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:24:00 - [1219] Why dont you guys just fight your f***ing war with fair weapons, without spoiling the game for everyone else?
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:25:00 - [1220] Originally by: HankMurphy Originally by: Etho Demerzel Originally by: HankMurphy fallacy ? no, i believe i said fact. Yes you did. The fact you said it does not make it a fact though. Look up in your friendly dictionary in case you are confused. ;) ah, you think what i said wasn't fact, however i contend that what i did say is fact! and i can support it w/ multiple incidents in which they have done ANYthing possible to achieve their goals. proof! compared to your silly tinfoil hatteries relating any action by a dev in this game to fixing it against them and theirs. to contend my claim you would need evidence to prove that goon wouldn't do anything they could 'including crashing a games' forums ' to make an incident blow up out of preportions. now tell me goons wouldn't do something like that! love to hear it! their reputation is by far (and not just in eve) regarded as the lowest possible amongst any gaming community. its not even an argument Hmm, even in EVE I don't hold Goonswarm at the bottom. ---
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:26:00 - [1221] Originally by: Avrunath Why dont you guys just fight your f***ing war with fair weapons, without spoiling the game for everyone else? Who are you talking to? --- Dianabolic speaks about BoB's developer relationship. Lag Killer
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:27:00 - [1222] Originally by: Etho Demerzel Question. Why are you here in this thread? Answer: you know you are guilty. Otherwise you wouldn't care. You, and by you I mean all bobsters here, are vehemently denying it, in all the other occasions, until there is no way to deny anymore. Then, when you cannot deny it anymore you will deny the next thing, attack the people who exposed you and say that yes you did it, but it was irrelevant. Grow up! bobsters? you just replied to a goonswarm member lol
Nikotine Knights of Liberty Lupus Caerulus	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:28:00 - [1223] I've actually got nothing to add here. I just want to be in the most famous thread ever.
Comstr Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:29:00 - [1224] Several questions MUST be answered: Are roleplaying storylines rigged enforcing one side to win and one to lose? If so, are people who participate warned of this? If not, why not? Did a player have direct access to a senior CCP employee to get a ISN reporter fired? Why was this done without going via the petition system? What sanction was done to the CCP employee who took the call without going through normal channels? Is it an allowed procedure for individual players to contact CCP employees directly, without going via official email address or in game petitions? What was the CCP employee doing giving himself director roles to the player corp? Why was player petitions asking this deleted? What sanction will be done to the employee?
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:29:00 - [1225] One things for sure. I expect a riot at the fanfest, and frankly it's something I would laugh my arse off about if it happened. Many people I know from every corner of the game are leaving because of all this. As if borked game mechanics and terrible lag aren't bad enough, you have crooked devs to go along with it. Corruption like this make me ill. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!"
Kadarin Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:29:00 - [1226] Originally by: Trac3rt The problem is that BoB have an unfair advantage by having direct contact with the DEVs, who appear quite willing to bend to their will. Something no other group has. If BoB has a problem in-game, they get on MSN and ask whats up directly, anyone else has their petitions deleted, forum threads deleted within seconds, and steonwalled at every turn by those same Devs - how is this even remotely fair? If you consider the devs as BoBs friends (which has been stated by BoB), you have the following situation occur: BoBs friend joins your corp, gives themselves Directorship, then leaves and deletes almost all logs showing they were there without any invitation or explanation. Do you trust them? Of course not! I don't mind the Devs having in-game friends, but those friends should NEVER be allowed to know that the character is actually a Dev. Call us the Tinfoil hat brigate all you want, but we have a past precedent of currption and current admission of guilt from BoB members claiming they have a direct MSN hotline to the Devs. Frankly this stinks, and CCP should really clean up their act. I agree completely; we should all be playing on a level field, and it's pretty clear that this is not even remotely the case. I was very much disenchanted with EVE over the T20 scandal, and now I think CCP's response to the above will determine whether I continue to pay for four accounts.
Marquis Dean Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:30:00 - [1227] Wow 46 pages. Don't any of you sleep? --- Originally by: Blacklight To be honest
Etho Demerzel Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:31:00 - [1228] Originally by: HankMurphy Originally by: Etho Demerzel Originally by: HankMurphy fallacy ? no, i believe i said fact. Yes you did. The fact you said it does not make it a fact though. Look up in your friendly dictionary in case you are confused. ;) ah, you think what i said wasn't fact, however i contend that what i did say is fact! and i can support it w/ multiple incidents in which they have done ANYthing possible to achieve their goals. proof! compared to your silly tinfoil hatteries relating any action by a dev in this game to fixing it against them and theirs. Please do. Anything possible is a very silly term. Anything possible includes kiling people and kidnaping the CCP CEO. LOL. But if you go to this stage I would say that BoB has gone much forther in the "anything possible" than anybody else. Goons and many other factions may have done anything possible inside the game. BoB went many steps further, like Dianabolic enlighted us in this thread. Quote: to contend my claim you would need evidence to prove that goon wouldn't do anything they could 'including crashing a games' forums ' to make an incident blow up out of preportions. now tell me goons wouldn't do something like that! love to hear it! their reputation is by far (and not just in eve) regarded as the lowest possible amongst any gaming community. its not even an argument Oh my, they crashed a game forum so people could read their claims. Oh wait. If the forum is crashed nobody will read. Damn! You my friend, is the lowest form of life possible in any game. You are a mindless drone defending your big boss who is quite corrupt in the fear of losing your big daddy. There is very few things I can think that are more lamentable than being a cheater's brownose. Very sad... (see that is how a proper ad hominem argument is made. Now train at home and come back when you are ready.)
Jotan Veer HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:32:00 - [1229] I would love to see the goons voting with their feet and walking out. Until then it is just hot air.
Krasnij Okjabre Caldari FIRMA	Posted - 2007.05.26 09:33:00 - [1230] Edited by: Krasnij Okjabre on 26/05/2007 09:31:42 Possibly the best game ever conceived coming apart at the seams. Cancelled subscriptions, distrust, arrogance, finger pointing... I could go on but whats the point? To all involved (whoever you may be) I hope you are all very happy with y'selves. You've destroyed a place for some to escape, and for others just a great game. I hope you all get what you deserve. Karma ftw. Light is faster than sound... this is why some people appear bright until you speak to them...

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