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Luso Caldari Nova Lusitania Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:21:00 - [1] Edited by: Luso on 28/05/2007 15:22:05 I can only say: "it¦s a fustrating experience to NPCing in 0.0 space" Imagine your are NPCing in a -1.0 sys and you get about 15M per hour! You think that¦s because I¦m not farming well or doing something wrong? Probably I¦m making something wrong, I¦m playing EVE-online for over 3 years now. There is no reason to be in 0.0 space atm dudes, stay in Empire make your mission (good ones you got 50M ISK in 45-60 minutes). OK, you think there is other good possibilities to make ISK in 0.0. Let¦s see: -Exploration, great idea, but in reality it doesnt work as you think, making calculations your got atm about 10M per hour (if you calculate time you are searching for some deep-space plexes and bountys you get, ridiculous belive me) -Mining, nice idea but it¦s more fustration than fun, I got a top-skilled industrial alt (exhumer L5) and more than 15M per hour is not possible, look mineral prices in Empire, calculate fuel you need for a POS, time for refining, or fee in a OutPost. -Plexes, ahhhhhhhh right, that things that Red Alliance are looking for, for sell ISK for real money in a few sites and CCP is doing nothing (probably they got an agreement with RA...LOL), forget it m8¦s plexes are normaly Alliance capital for making ISK for POSs, OutPosts, more Capital-Ships etc...etc... and that¦s right that way, running an Alliance cost a lot of ISK. Plexes in 0.0 space are not for personal ISK acomulation. Resuming, CCP are doing well to put more pilots in Empire, helping a few hungry Russians making real money with ISK in very knowen sites in your local INTERNET ;) and fustrating old players that try to organize comunitys. GoGoGo CCP, make yourselfs lucky and f*** up EVE. PS: WhiteWolf think about a merge of CCP, EVE is just over 4 years in the market. It¦s a old "car".
Marquis Dean Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:25:00 - [2] Illegible rants ftw. --- Originally by: Galack Fyar Burn in a hole
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:26:00 - [3] ...what?
Peanut Swsh Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:30:00 - [4] as illegible as it is, i pretty much agree. mission running is heaps easier. no risk. you are guaranteed rats. thou you don't get faction spawns, you can work towards stuff like CNR's and either fly it, or sell it. get some r&d agents and get datacores etc. thou the state of motsu atm, its pretty risky :P
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:30:00 - [5] Wild guess: English as a... second? Third? language.
n0thing Northern Intelligence Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2007.05.28 15:32:00 - [6] LvL 4 missions are not worth if you dont have: - Above average or decent skills. - All T2/Faction stuff on BS. Or better yet, faction BS. Otherwise, 0.0 npcing, alot easier to tank and alot easier to run. ---
Lowanaera Amarr Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.28 16:57:00 - [7] If you're only making 15m an hour in a -1.0, you're very obviously doing something wrong. Playing for over 3 years doesn't mean you've actually learned anything in that time. I make near that in the awfulness that is Providence killing 600k BSs. Is missioning easier? Yes, I have L4 Q20 security agents in low-sec Domain that I can run instead and make more, but it's even more tedious than ratting, and it's not that much more, so I usually don't anymore. However, if you can't make more than a missioner while living in good 0.0 space, the problem is you, not the system.
medecau Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.05.28 17:28:00 - [8] Sup Luso? I've been with Luso in Fountain when one could easily do 100m per hour by farming rats, my guess at this is that 0.0 rats got nerfed or the "mechanics" of farming them are no longer working has they did. Also, thats not Fountain so rats might have smaller bounties. amarria black afaik thats his third language.
Sabian Treehugger	Posted - 2007.05.28 18:23:00 - [9] wow that's great now try ratting in the drone regions ONLY region where CCP forces you to be a miner and for very little money too. Balance FTL high-sec pwns 0.0 So if you are geting bounties then consider yourself lucky
Shiner BockBeer Go Go Gadget ForumPostingAlt	Posted - 2007.05.28 18:45:00 - [10] Originally by: n0thing LvL 4 missions are not worth if you dont have: - Above average or decent skills. - All T2/Faction stuff on BS. Or better yet, faction BS. Otherwise, 0.0 npcing, alot easier to tank and alot easier to run. On the contrary, you can do lvl4's in bog-standard Tech1/named Ravens with most skills at 4. They're truly effortless.
William Hamilton Caldari THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.28 19:04:00 - [11] I can make 15m / hour in a drake. A drake with it's sodding awful damage that takes so long to kill stuff that by the time I kill the third BS in a triple BS spawn the first BS has re spawned!
Hoshi Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.28 19:09:00 - [12] I think you need to rework you calc for exploration,. I made about 3b from one week worth of it (maybe 2-3h per day). Ok took another 2 weeks to turn all the stuff into ready isk but the worth is still the same. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.05.28 19:42:00 - [13] Quote: There is no reason to be in 0.0 space atm dudes, stay in Empire make your mission (good ones you got 50M ISK in 45-60 minutes). exxageration FTW!
Onmarr Shan Minmatar Space-Bar FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.05.28 19:51:00 - [14] Personally I find ratting in 0.0 to be much more profitable. I do find the figure of 15m per hour to be about right. However that rockets up when you get faction loot. I made about 50 mill in 25 minutes the other day, cause I got a domination commander. Level 4 missions are harder, require better equipment and certainly do not net 50 M per mission. And you pretty much need a Raven, fully fitted with T2/Faction stuff to do them easily. Whereas in 0.0 I can use a cruiser or battlecruiser and take on pretty much any spawn with ease. They are much cheaper to replace and generally quicker and less of a target than a BS.
CrestoftheStars Perkone	Posted - 2007.05.28 20:18:00 - [15] doing top Q missions how the F* do you make 50millions in 45-60 minutes:P can't be done, your doing a 15-25mill an hour if your fast.. Originally by:** Luso Edited by: Luso on 28/05/2007 15:22:05 I can only say: "it¦s a fustrating experience to NPCing in 0.0 space" Imagine your are NPCing in a -1.0 sys and you get about 15M per hour! You think that¦s because I¦m not farming well or doing something wrong? Probably I¦m making something wrong, I¦m playing EVE-online for over 3 years now. There is no reason to be in 0.0 space atm dudes, stay in Empire make your mission (good ones you got 50M ISK in 45-60 minutes). OK, you think there is other good possibilities to make ISK in 0.0. Let¦s see: -Exploration, great idea, but in reality it doesnt work as you think, making calculations your got atm about 10M per hour (if you calculate time you are searching for some deep-space plexes and bountys you get, ridiculous belive me) -Mining, nice idea but it¦s more fustration than fun, I got a top-skilled industrial alt (exhumer L5) and more than 15M per hour is not possible, look mineral prices in Empire, calculate fuel you need for a POS, time for refining, or fee in a OutPost. -Plexes, ahhhhhhhh right, that things that Red Alliance are looking for, for sell ISK for real money in a few sites and CCP is doing nothing (probably they got an agreement with RA...LOL), forget it m8¦s plexes are normaly Alliance capital for making ISK for POSs, OutPosts, more Capital-Ships etc...etc... and that¦s right that way, running an Alliance cost a lot of ISK. Plexes in 0.0 space are not for personal ISK acomulation. Resuming, CCP are doing well to put more pilots in Empire, helping a few hungry Russians making real money with ISK in very knowen sites in your local INTERNET ;) and fustrating old players that try to organize comunitys. GoGoGo CCP, make yourselfs lucky and f*** up EVE. PS: WhiteWolf think about a merge of CCP, EVE is just over 4 years in the market. It¦s a old "car". ___________________________________________ Humans take everything that is beautiful and sweet and turn it into something horrifying and ugly.
Karan Hanid Amarr	Posted - 2007.05.28 21:17:00 - [16] Wow, you know guys, I think this guy actually has a point... Damn, i think I'm gonna move to empire now... he totally convinced me... PS Dont diss mother Russia you little piece of ****.
Caios Caldari Unified Refining Federation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.29 00:50:00 - [17] experiences may vary. i've found 0.0 ratting more lucrative, and less stressful than L4s. perhaps this is because I don't fly a raven, or I can't play in very large time blocks that L4s require (or my domi aggros entire rooms bc of stupid drone bugs). i concur that there should be more lucrative combat related things a pilot can do in 0.0 though. hopping from belt to belt looking for good spawns can get old after a while.
Luso Caldari Nova Lusitania Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:04:00 - [18] Originally by: Lowanaera If you're only making 15m an hour in a -1.0, you're very obviously doing something wrong. You think your clever....try it yourselfs!
Luso Caldari Nova Lusitania Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:06:00 - [19] Originally by: Hoshi I think you need to rework you calc for exploration,. I made about 3b from one week worth of it (maybe 2-3h per day). Ok took another 2 weeks to turn all the stuff into ready isk but the worth is still the same. Your obviously a lucky guy!!
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:08:00 - [20] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 29/05/2007 08:07:53 Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 Quote: There is no reason to be in 0.0 space atm dudes, stay in Empire make your mission (good ones you got 50M ISK in 45-60 minutes). exxageration FTW! He is not telling pork pies... well he is but its not that much different anyway. In a pimp officer fitted raven, you can do even long missions like angel extravaganza lvl4 in 35mins tops. If he uses an alt to salvage, then 40-50 mil/hour for both of them is very easaly done. However a 4bil investment to speed run lvl4's vs a 30mil investment for a 0.0 drake (insurable as well) means there is no conflict. After all, most of that high sec 4bil setup went to some 0.0 resedent for harvesting officer mods etc. -- Billion Isk Mission
Luso Caldari Nova Lusitania Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:08:00 - [21] Originally by: William Hamilton I can make 15m / hour in a drake. A drake with it's sodding awful damage that takes so long to kill stuff that by the time I kill the third BS in a triple BS spawn the first BS has re spawned! The problem is not to kill a spawn. The problem is how to get a spawn to kill!
Luso Caldari Nova Lusitania Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:10:00 - [22] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 Quote: There is no reason to be in 0.0 space atm dudes, stay in Empire make your mission (good ones you got 50M ISK in 45-60 minutes). exxageration FTW! Dont think so!
Luso Caldari Nova Lusitania Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:12:00 - [23] Originally by: Onmarr Shan Personally I find ratting in 0.0 to be much more profitable. I do find the figure of 15m per hour to be about right. However that rockets up when you get faction loot. I made about 50 mill in 25 minutes the other day, cause I got a domination commander. Level 4 missions are harder, require better equipment and certainly do not net 50 M per mission. And you pretty much need a Raven, fully fitted with T2/Faction stuff to do them easily. Whereas in 0.0 I can use a cruiser or battlecruiser and take on pretty much any spawn with ease. They are much cheaper to replace and generally quicker and less of a target than a BS. Are you guys reading me? TRY IT NOW....GIVE YOU COMMENTS AFTER THAT!
Luso Caldari Nova Lusitania Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:13:00 - [24] Originally by: CrestoftheStars doing top Q missions how the F*** do you make 50millions in 45-60 minutes:P can't be done, your doing a 15-25mill an hour if your fast.. That¦s because your a noob!
Luso Caldari Nova Lusitania Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:16:00 - [25] Originally by: Karan Hanid Wow, you know guys, I think this guy actually has a point... Damn, i think I'm gonna move to empire now... he totally convinced me... PS Dont diss mother Russia you little piece of **. Oh, that part you havent enjoy!!! RUSSIA IS NOT MY MOTHER YOU LITTLE PIECE OF **
Tiberius Ilex Caldari FireTech	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:52:00 - [26] In Soviet Russia forums smack on you.
Hornymatt	Posted - 2007.05.29 11:52:00 - [27] I mission in hi sec, low sec and rat in a bog standard 0.0 (yay jumpclones) and ratting in 0.0 is pretty much the most profitable for me. Missioning in low sec does come a close second but risk is higher due to those curious chappies that just have to probe out and drop by your missions to give the poor NPC's a helping hand Hi sec missioning comes a poor third for me and will probably remain so unless they ever sort out the "shop" idea for LP's. Plus it's as boring as he11
Radar Rat SPECTRE Ops	Posted - 2007.05.29 13:01:00 - [28] If you can't make isk in 0.0 then you are obviously doing something very wrong especially if you are in a -1.0 system. I take it you are a. chaining the good spawns rather than just killing them off. b. collecting all the loot and salvaging the wrecks. c. Selling off all the good loot and recycling the rubbish. if not theres your problem... and before you go on about how good lvl-4 missions are, have you ever seen an officer spawn in a lvl-4 mission ?... thought not, find one of those in 0.0 and you can make upwards of 1bil isk from the loot. ---------------------------------------------- The early bird may catch the worm, but its the second rat that gets the cheese !!!
Hoshi Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.29 13:49:00 - [29] Originally by: Luso Originally by: Hoshi I think you need to rework you calc for exploration,. I made about 3b from one week worth of it (maybe 2-3h per day). Ok took another 2 weeks to turn all the stuff into ready isk but the worth is still the same. Your obviously a lucky guy!! What luck? I did 2 sites yesterday and 1 today, avg time to find and run each site was about 2h. They payed out 100m, 20m and 250m in loot worth respectively. That's an avg day exploring 0.0, sometimes you get worse but then once in a while you get the really good ones so it evens out. Avg pay for these where 60m/h. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
Buxaroo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.29 14:41:00 - [30] Ask a question Luso: do you loot all the cans and salvage the wrecks? I make more isk from the loot and salvage than I ever do from the bounties. The loot can be very lucrative. For instance: standard Heavy Nosferatu fetches 500-600k in jita. And the named ones even more so. And standard Large Megabeams and Tachyons: easily 900k-1 million in empire. In delve, those drop a lot from a BS spawn. Now once you filter the good loot and put it in a can for transport later on to empire, you melt the rest if you got an alt that has Scrap Metal Processing or a corp mate who can do it for you. You can then either transport the high ends to empire with the rest of your loot, or do as I do and add it all up to make more ships, which you can then insure and take to pvp, and if you loose it, you make the isk from the ship's destruction (minus the mods ofc, but whats the point of accumulating isk if not to blow things up?). Last time I ran lvl 4 missions, I didn't really make much isk. Of course that was with a passive tanked drake with crap for damage and the missions took a lot longer. But loot from missions sucks bigtime. 90% of the cans don't have anything in them (except to salvage) which is where most of the isk can be made. Bounties are decent and the mission payouts are nice, but majority of the high quality agents are in low sec (caldari bastards are lucky theirs are in high sec but its LAG city) which means you have to watch out for piwat wannabees probing you out and paying a visit. In 0.0, all you have to do is watch local and if a neutral or hostile comes into system, you just need to SS and wait for them to leave. So, if you are just counting bounties and not collecting the loot or salvaging, then that's the problem. If you don't have the patience to do the loot collecting and salvaging then you are SOL my friend. Isk making is not fun, but you should milk it for everything you can get from it. "No matter where you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Banzai

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