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mr passie
Minmatar
The Renegade Order
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.29 11:04:00 -
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After looking at the "bob is broke" CAOD thread and serenity steele's alliance ranking system I have come to a rather insightful conclusion.
To become one of the top 4 alliances ingame you either have to be communists ((most of)BoB and RA) or being weird/drunk all the time (IAC/Goons).
Did anyone else notice this?
Does this mean that the ultimate alliance in eve has to exist of crazy drunken communists?
What does this spell for real life politics
Thoughts anyone?
PS trying to make a bit of a "light" thread among all the negativity here, so no flaming please (I know, I know a lofty yet impossible goal )
I'm a reversed paranoid schizophrenic.
I have voices in my head I just think I don't hear them! |
Myz Toyou
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.29 11:08:00 -
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do you think RA are sober ?
CYVOK > All you station jockies better get out their and start killing these idiots
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.29 11:08:00 -
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Your alliance needs to have started 2-3 years ago.
Thats why its broken.
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bloomich
Trotter's Independent Traders Co
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Posted - 2007.05.29 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: bloomich on 29/05/2007 11:11:01
You have to set acheivable goals and erm... acheive them. Also make sure that the people running your corp are willing to fight. Industrailist are fine as long as they appriciate teh value of pvp, and pvpers should also appriciate the value of Industrialists to support them.
Ack, stupid alt.
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Miss KillSome
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.05.29 11:12:00 -
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Shai Faetal
Burn The Witch
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Posted - 2007.05.29 11:13:00 -
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it all starts with who is at the top running things, if he is a jerk, that corp/alliance is bound to fail from the start.
you gotta have charisma (not the in game attributes but the real life one) people have to like/trust you not to send them into a burning house without a proper plan, most battles in eve are pre-decided by their gang leaders, if u run a gang and choke when it is time to be heard, u will lose, then when you fail to take responsibility your members will whine on the forums calling the other side haxorz 'n stuff, in which case they r blind and should continue to follow you  .
a little planning and organization can take you very far very fast.
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mr passie
Minmatar
The Renegade Order
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.29 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: mr passie on 29/05/2007 11:22:42
Edited by: mr passie on 29/05/2007 11:22:19
Edited by: mr passie on 29/05/2007 11:20:43
hahaha, I knew it was impossible to have a decent topic on CAOD, U all failed -edit not all but 2nd post flame, 4rd pos noob corp flame, you get the picture...
This isn't about IAC, I get flamed for including IAC, but I only look at the alliance list of serenity.
want me to make a 1 man alt corp post
Anyway back on topic, I do think IaC imbibes a relatively high amount of alcohol, I don't believe for an istant that other alliances don't drink.
Let me put it another way, In my years of eve I generally found BoB and RA a bit more serious then IAC or Goons.
I'm a reversed paranoid schizophrenic.
I have voices in my head I just think I don't hear them! |
Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.29 11:30:00 -
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Punch and Pie
 Originally by: Benglada
And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.05.29 11:31:00 -
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Imho, to create a successfull alliance the first thing you need is to be at all times, at war with at least one big entity. You can't be a carebear alliance in 0.0 and expect it to last even 4 months, unless you put in under the protection of a power block, but that kind a alliance isn't what I'd call a successfull one.
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.29 11:32:00 -
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U must drink ! then kill stuff.
pritty sorted, actually some pirate corpse operate like that.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.29 11:49:00 -
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Personally, I wouldn't rank IAC as one of the most successful alliances in Eve, but that's a matter of perspective I guess .
To be honest, I think to be a successful alliance, you simply need alot of enthusiastic members. Communism helps that cos members don't need to grind for isk. Drunkeness helps due to drunken merriness and so on.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.29 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 29/05/2007 11:58:55
Originally by: Miss KillSome
lol, u count IAC as one of the four biggest? :)
anyway, u need numbers and dedication. Or just plain numbers, alot of them(dedication comes with numbers..).
Thinks that's my main problem. The numbers game.
I prefer tight-knit groups. The idea of a swarm doesn't appeal to me at all. The idea of being just a number, soldier no. 153 doesn't appeal to me.
In my corp, we don't need much rules, we think about most things anyway the same. CEO only shows that he has the power, when it's really needed. Usually he's just a friend. Sometimes I ask him, if I can do this or that , because I think I should and he just says: 'You don't have to ask, you are director.'
Ok, I wish my corp was bigger, it has become kind of a small old friends club overtime, but I prefer in general an athmosphere of friends flying together and having fun over playing in a mass armee, where you mean nothing and get kicked out, if you don't share the opinion of your CEO or so.
Wish eve would reward tight-nit groups more instead of 'empires' and blobs, but can't change it. CCP likes empires and blobs, except they kill the node of course.
*edit* But I think the leadership of successfull alliances is usually such a tight-knit group, otherwise the success wouldn't be possible. RAs comeback last year wouldn't have been possible without it, I think.
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Third Down
Hard Rock Cafe
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Posted - 2007.05.29 11:54:00 -
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One word: supercaps.
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Ozzie Asrail
Exploited
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Posted - 2007.05.29 11:57:00 -
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Two words: Tennants Super!
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Akyan
SH Brotherhood
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.29 12:00:00 -
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I guess that question is heavly dependant on what is meant by being a 'successful' alliance.
RISE - Diplomat
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Azirapheal
Amarr
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.05.29 12:00:00 -
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nah, the ultimate pvpers game in the nude, while drinking and singing socialist songs
OBVIOULSY
Ze Goggles... ZEY DO NUSSINK
Yarrr sig nerf Thanks, Hango
Hango touched me in the night
I also stole all of your socks.
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.29 12:07:00 -
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Another word: Cohesiveness.
You want every member or every corp in your alliance to feel like everyone else is practically family, even those you don't really know.
You could have an alliance 3000 strong, made of 40 corps, with an average corp size of 75, but as we've seen many times before pure numbers will not save you, and lots and lots of those 75 man corps are going to abandon you the moment things get tough.
Or you could have an alliance that’s half that size, but made of only a few very large corps that are much closer knit, I don't even have to name the obvious example of a successful alliance that is formed this way, but there are plenty more than just BoB.
Personally I'd much rather have the smaller, tighter, more cohesive alliance, you know that the corps fighting alongside you are not going to up and leave at the first sign of trouble, and that you all share the same goals, and have hopefully picked the best leaders that can all well work well together....
Unfortunately...
Originally by: welsh wizard
Your alliance needs to have started 2-3 years ago.
Thats why its broken.
...This is very much true.
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mr passie
Minmatar
The Renegade Order
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.29 12:08:00 -
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But no one else noticed the sort of Duality to some of the "top" (between "" as an anti flame precaution, I feel where this is going) alliances ingame? Being either a communist "fear us all mwoehahaha" (not just bob mind;)) or "we don't care we just go blow up other and our own imaginary spaceships"
I'm a reversed paranoid schizophrenic.
I have voices in my head I just think I don't hear them! |
Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.29 12:17:00 -
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Devs msn is essential in creating succesefull alliance
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.05.29 12:21:00 -
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Silly.
Everyone one knows alliances are made and broken on the forums. 
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.29 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
Your alliance needs to have started 2-3 years ago.
Thats why its broken.
I have to agree with this one, speaking from personal experience (not as a member of Vigilance). Both Myriad and Maelstrom alliances are now dead as alliances, both were founded around the same time, they both lived in exactly the same regions and most of their members spent their time doing exactly the same things. Yet, as soon as an older alliance (or in this case, alliances; IAC tried and failed on their own, it took all of Goon/TCF/RA to dislodge them  ) decides to roll on through the region, there was nothing to be done. The fact is, any truly new alliances (not formed off the back of a dying major alliance) face absolutely insane barriers to survive, and the only way i've seen alliances that young survive is by clinging onto one of the other major alliances for protection and infrastructure.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.29 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 29/05/2007 12:27:35
Originally by: Evil Thug
Devs msn is essential in creating successfully alliance
Damn, you have their MSN too? Can you share, please? I want their MSN  BoB won't tell me! 
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Admentus Cor'vion
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.29 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Devs msn is essential in creating succesefull alliance
Especially for latenight cybersecks.
Haaaay.
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NichoTBE
The JORG Corporation
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.29 12:40:00 -
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haha yeah its scary to think by the end of the year there will be dozens of titan and ms pilots drunk at the helm...
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mr passie
Minmatar
The Renegade Order
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.29 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: welsh wizard
Your alliance needs to have started 2-3 years ago.
Thats why its broken.
I have to agree with this one, speaking from personal experience (not as a member of Vigilance). Both Myriad and Maelstrom alliances are now dead as alliances, both were founded around the same time, they both lived in exactly the same regions and most of their members spent their time doing exactly the same things. Yet, as soon as an older alliance (or in this case, alliances; IAC tried and failed on their own, it took all of Goon/TCF/RA to dislodge them ) decides to roll on through the region, there was nothing to be done. The fact is, any truly new alliances (not formed off the back of a dying major alliance) face absolutely insane barriers to survive, and the only way i've seen alliances that young survive is by clinging onto one of the other major alliances for protection and infrastructure.
this is indeed a way eve is going and I don't like it. (no, not for my own future) If you need to be part of a powerbloc to be able to survive nowadays then polarisation will increase and I expect the game will start to be less and less fun Can't we just cut this crap and let everyone shoot everyone again?
On the bright side... I can't wait until IAC goes on a drunkswarm op with titans
On that note, when will the establishment get a titan? I'm already getting a taste of beer and popcorn when I think of it
I'm a reversed paranoid schizophrenic.
I have voices in my head I just think I don't hear them! |
MaxSkywalker
x13
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.29 13:15:00 -
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apparently, more devs/gm's = greater/richer alliance..
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I live of government cheese!
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Commoner
Caldari
Emergent Chaos
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.05.29 13:36:00 -
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I think the success of an alliance is to compare their stated goals and then see what they have become.
For that matter, i consider Mercernary Coalition, Ushra Khan and CVA as succesful alliance because they're good at what they claim to be.
The worst pvp'er in EVE :
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FGxHalsey
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.29 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: FGxHalsey on 29/05/2007 13:43:43
Originally by: welsh wizard
Your alliance needs to have started 2-3 years ago.
Thats why its broken.
And possibly having "friends" to help. This is also why its broken. EvE is experiencing some great growth, I would love to see a few things to make the vast gap between the EvE vets and the eve newbies a bit easier.
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.29 13:47:00 -
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Somebody might have said this already....but...
One of they ways to become most successful alliance is by killing all others.
simple, ainght?
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Buxaroo
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.29 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: Buxaroo on 29/05/2007 14:13:01
Originally by: MaxSkywalker
apparently, more devs/gm's = greater/richer alliance..
So, I guess D2 have a ****load of devs/gms helping them. Let us not forget RA as well.
Oh, almost forgot about one of the biggest and richest alliances that was in EVE - ASCN.
Give it a break.
Oh and OT: playing whilst only in you underware and drinking Mountain Dew and eating hotwings and listening to CLEISTHENES loose another vagabond is always a good way to become a great alliance 
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