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The Economist	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:03:00 - [1] POS Bowling needs to be re-defined (again) as not being an exploit for two important reasons. 1: It forces people to use ship maintenance arrays; these were previously woefully underused. [this also gives everyone a very simple way to avoid being bowled....any ship losess to supercap bowling are directly attributable to sheer laziness rather than anything else] 2: The more ships there are on a grid, the more lag there is. Previously there was no way whatsoever to counter the massive lag generated at pos's by the countless ships carelessly left in space.[it has often been alleged of people that they leave said ships at pos purely to generate lag.] POS bowling gave the community a way to reduce the lag problems by removing the ships from the grid or forcing the offenders to use ship maintenance arrays for their intended purpose. In summary, I don't know what provoked yet another policy change on this issue, but please seriously consider reverting to the previous ruling for the reasons stated above. Cheers.
Shinigami Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:13:00 - [2] signed --- Eve Comedy Gallery.
Jethro Jerico	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:14:00 - [3] I know it was fun Why oh why did somebody have to go and use it against BOB??!?? now its banned
Parallax Error Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:18:00 - [4] This can't be a serious opinion, surely?
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:21:00 - [5] Originally by: The Economist 1: It forces people to use ship maintenance arrays; these were previously woefully underused. [this also gives everyone a very simple way to avoid being bowled....any ship losess to supercap bowling are directly attributable to sheer laziness rather than anything else] You obviously havent tried to use a ship maintenance array during wartime in a reinforced pos with 300+ in local.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:23:00 - [6] Joke thread by a BoB alt. Next thread, please. Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:24:00 - [7] Originally by: Jethro Jerico I know it was fun Why oh why did somebody have to go and use it against BOB??!?? now its banned It's been used against BoB for months now, just slightly after ET first sat in his titan, to be exact. If I remember correctly, BoB lost a carrier to ET and CO a few weeks back. OHH GOD SORRY CONSPIRACIES. I MEANT TO SAY BOB IS THE DEVIL. ALLAH AKHBAR ------------- [En] - So....I think the devs don't like me.
The Economist	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:28:00 - [8] Originally by: Elmicker Originally by: The Economist 1: It forces people to use ship maintenance arrays; these were previously woefully underused. [this also gives everyone a very simple way to avoid being bowled....any ship losess to supercap bowling are directly attributable to sheer laziness rather than anything else] You obviously havent tried to use a ship maintenance array during wartime in a reinforced pos with 300+ in local. Sorry, forgot it was necessary to wait till the pos is in reinforced and there are 300 people in local to use a module as intended ...and yes this is a serious thread for the reasons stated in the original post.
JitaCitizen 72395	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:33:00 - [9] Why not just make it an exploit for piloted ships, and leave unpiloted ones to use the ship array?
Alora Venoda Caldari GalTech	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:35:00 - [10] it may have "positive" impacts, but it still breaks the intended mechanics of the POS shields. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Ozzie Asrail Exploited	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:36:00 - [11] Originally by: The Economist Originally by: Elmicker Originally by: The Economist 1: It forces people to use ship maintenance arrays; these were previously woefully underused. [this also gives everyone a very simple way to avoid being bowled....any ship losess to supercap bowling are directly attributable to sheer laziness rather than anything else] You obviously havent tried to use a ship maintenance array during wartime in a reinforced pos with 300+ in local. Sorry, forgot it was necessary to wait till the pos is in reinforced and there are 300 people in local to use a module as intended ...and yes this is a serious thread for the reasons stated in the original post. Well, with a POS in reinfoced and 300+ in local is usually the sort of time people do actually need a ship out of the damn array -----
The Economist	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Alora Venoda it may have "positive" impacts, but it still breaks the intended mechanics of the POS shields. If pos shields were intended to not let anyone inside for even a millisecond then why have they never worked like that since they were introduced into the game? I always thought of pos shields more like a balloon rather than a wall...I think the analogy is fairly obvious and describes how they have always worked.
The Economist	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:42:00 - [13] Edited by: The Economist on 30/05/2007 17:41:46 Originally by: Ozzie Asrail Originally by: The Economist Originally by: Elmicker Originally by: The Economist 1: It forces people to use ship maintenance arrays; these were previously woefully underused. [this also gives everyone a very simple way to avoid being bowled....any ship losess to supercap bowling are directly attributable to sheer laziness rather than anything else] You obviously havent tried to use a ship maintenance array during wartime in a reinforced pos with 300+ in local. Sorry, forgot it was necessary to wait till the pos is in reinforced and there are 300 people in local to use a module as intended ...and yes this is a serious thread for the reasons stated in the original post. Well, with a POS in reinfoced and 300+ in local is usually the sort of time people do actually need a ship out of the damn array Sorry, I misread it as putting ships in he array; however doing anything in a system in that situation is laggy, so doesn't really equate to a valid reason for not using the array.... and further adding to the lag by not having done so and thereby having loads of empty ships sitting the bubble of said pos.
Treelox Amarr Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:48:00 - [14] you have your answer now Originally by: "GM Grimmi" pos bowling exploit reported by GM Grimmi \| 2007.05.30 16:35:04 \| NEW Greetings, The so-called "POS Bowling" will from here on be considered an exploit. While it is true that this is not verifiable after the fact by way of logs, GMs are able to go ingame and monitor situations at will, and do it without anyone knowing. If we catch anyone doing this we will take the appropriate action against them. We therefore urge Titan and Mothership pilots to refrain from using their ships to bump ships out of POS forcefields, or risk facing punitive measures for exploiting. All the best, GM Grimmi Lead Game Master EVE Online Customer Support -- http://www./sigs/Treelox/sig.png [orange]signature removed (change the zombie gagging sig) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected]
The Economist	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Treelox you have your answer now Originally by: "GM Grimmi" pos bowling exploit reported by GM Grimmi \| 2007.05.30 16:35:04 \| NEW Greetings, The so-called "POS Bowling" will from here on be considered an exploit. While it is true that this is not verifiable after the fact by way of logs, GMs are able to go ingame and monitor situations at will, and do it without anyone knowing. If we catch anyone doing this we will take the appropriate action against them. We therefore urge Titan and Mothership pilots to refrain from using their ships to bump ships out of POS forcefields, or risk facing punitive measures for exploiting. All the best, GM Grimmi Lead Game Master EVE Online Customer Support If you read the original post you should be able to work out that this thread is quite clearly a response to the new item that you have quoted.
Treelox Amarr Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:54:00 - [16] Originally by: The Economist If you read the original post you should be able to work out that this thread is quite clearly a response to the new item that you have quoted. Yes I had figured that out, but since you didnt see fit to quote this, and since CCP hasnt seen fit to make this a post in their "information portal", I thought I would include it here. For those that hadnt yet noticed the new post in the "Players News Center" Just think of it as my PSA for the day. While POS bowling doesnt affect me, since I am an empire hugger, I have always thought that the practice was in poor form. I am glad they have made it an exploit, I just wish they would fix the code that allows it, since as GM Grimmi states, they have no way of checking it against logs. The only way the GM Team can do anything about it, is to catch you in the act. -- http://www./sigs/Treelox/sig.png [orange]signature removed (change the zombie gagging sig) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected]
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:54:00 - [17] Originally by: The Economist Originally by: Treelox you have your answer now Originally by: "GM Grimmi" pos bowling exploit reported by GM Grimmi \| 2007.05.30 16:35:04 \| NEW Greetings, The so-called "POS Bowling" will from here on be considered an exploit. While it is true that this is not verifiable after the fact by way of logs, GMs are able to go ingame and monitor situations at will, and do it without anyone knowing. If we catch anyone doing this we will take the appropriate action against them. We therefore urge Titan and Mothership pilots to refrain from using their ships to bump ships out of POS forcefields, or risk facing punitive measures for exploiting. All the best, GM Grimmi Lead Game Master EVE Online Customer Support If you read the original post you should be able to work out that this thread is quite clearly a response to the new item that you have quoted. You sir, have been wtfpwnbbq'ed by Grimmi.
Il Reverendo Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.30 17:58:00 - [18] Originally by: Derovius Vaden You sir, have been wtfpwnbbq'ed by Grimmi. You sir, are a cretin.
Chowdown Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.30 18:00:00 - [19] Bumpy Bumpy will live in my heart for ever, I miss you and hope you return soon. <3 Your signature has been reomved, please email us with a link to your signature for clarification - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.05.30 19:15:00 - [20] It's a good but risky thing as one case of someone getting into trouble when not using it or one person not getting into trouble for using it and you're going to have people screaming bloody murder. Especially with the conspiracy theory moods on Eve O.
Grihmstein Amarr	Posted - 2007.05.30 22:44:00 - [21] So let me get this straight. For it to be punishable it has to be witnessed by a GM. So if you say had, using a complete hypothetical here, a really fast way to contact a GM to let them know to get to the scene to ban an offender this could really be a good thing. Otherwise if, again using a purely hypothetical scenario, you had to go through say an in-game petition system it might be hours or days before a GM got back to you and then it might not be such a good thing. Hard to say, hard to say.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Lords Of Amber	Posted - 2007.05.30 22:49:00 - [22] Yeah, if I want to go and take a ***, or make some food, or answer the phone/doorbell, or whatever else - I better logoff or move my ship into ship array, or cloak at safespot, because... why would I stay inside POS shields? snip* Don't troll with your signature. Follow the Forum Rules -Eldo Davip([email protected])
Jimer Lins Gallente Sanctuary	Posted - 2007.05.30 23:06:00 - [23] So if someone gets banned while in a ship... is the ship lost to the game? Or is their pod merely removed from it and it's left floating in space? Because either way, I can see how it would kind of suck for your Titan pilot to get caught doing this. banned Titan poof or banned Titan SNAG
Nerf Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.30 23:17:00 - [24] Who's this Bob guy everybody is talking about nowadays?
WhitePhantom Gallente Edenists	Posted - 2007.05.30 23:27:00 - [25] If your afraid of "BoB" being able to "contact" staff out of game, here is a really good suggestion, don't use the exploit. BoB members have gone on record saying they only began to use it again AFTER another GM told another alliance it was NOT an exploit. This was only after they STOP using this said method, after they were told it WAS an exploit. So its an EXPLOIT and everyone will stop using it, I assume everyone can play by the rules, and anyone that gets banned from doing it after knowing its against the rules should not trusted on their word.
ElCholo Minmatar FarCry Inc Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.30 23:27:00 - [26] Originally by: Jimer Lins So if someone gets banned while in a ship... is the ship lost to the game? Or is their pod merely removed from it and it's left floating in space? Because either way, I can see how it would kind of suck for your Titan pilot to get caught doing this. banned Titan poof or banned Titan SNAG I don't think offenders should be banned .. they should simply have their super cap permanently confiscated, then have to answer to their alliance why they had it taken away. I think thats a fate worse than banning.
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.05.30 23:42:00 - [27] Originally by: WhitePhantom BoB members have gone on record saying they only began to use it again AFTER another GM told another alliance it was NOT an exploit. This was only after they STOP using this said method, after they were told it WAS an exploit. you might have to forgive people for not believing the meta-gaming anything-to-win alliance without question... __________ The opinion(s) expressed above are mine alone and are not necessarily endorsed or supported by my Corporation or Alliance.
Selena 001	Posted - 2007.05.30 23:48:00 - [28] I was under the impression that the PoS bubbles were being changed to act similarly to warp bubbles, if you dont have access to the PoS. You dont fly into it, then bounce off, you simply drop out of warp on the edge... OFC, that could have just been said by someone for a giggle... but it sounds like a logical change... ___________ NATIONAL SARCASM DAY!!
Innominate GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.30 23:52:00 - [29] signed Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Aduna Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.30 23:57:00 - [30] Originally by: The Economist POS Bowling needs to be re-defined (again) as not being an exploit for two important reasons. 1: It forces people to use ship maintenance arrays; these were previously woefully underused. [this also gives everyone a very simple way to avoid being bowled....any ship losess to supercap bowling are directly attributable to sheer laziness rather than anything else] 2: The more ships there are on a grid, the more lag there is. Previously there was no way whatsoever to counter the massive lag generated at pos's by the countless ships carelessly left in space.[it has often been alleged of people that they leave said ships at pos purely to generate lag.] POS bowling gave the community a way to reduce the lag problems by removing the ships from the grid or forcing the offenders to use ship maintenance arrays for their intended purpose. In summary, I don't know what provoked yet another policy change on this issue, but please seriously consider reverting to the previous ruling for the reasons stated above. Cheers. look ma, i'm posting in a BoB alt thread!!! why am i not surprised that BoB is ****ing about the changes? it removes one of their exploi...er, intended game mechanic that's working ok.*

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