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Badhands
Gallente
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.05.31 00:20:00 -
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No... it isn't.
Super Mario Bros is just a game. Contra is just a game. Civilization 4 is just a game.
The difference? Isk = GTC = real world dollars. The isk I make in game translates into real value. The things I do in Eve are more than entertainment... they're an investment. So please... I'm so tired of people acting like Eve doesn't matter because "it's just a game".
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Nerf Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.31 00:21:00 -
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Which is exactly why I don't support GTC <-> ISK trade.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.31 00:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Badhands
No... it isn't.
Super Mario Bros is just a game. Contra is just a game. Civilization 4 is just a game.
The difference? Isk = GTC = real world dollars. The isk I make in game translates into real value. The things I do in Eve are more than entertainment... they're an investment. So please... I'm so tired of people acting like Eve doesn't matter because "it's just a game".
Which is why you declare all your in-game stuff on your tax returns, right?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Merrick Vale
ACCORD Industries
North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.05.31 00:45:00 -
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Sure it's just a game.
Football's just a game. Basketball's just a game. Poker's just a game.
Some people make lots of money playing them, but they're still just games.
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Ferrosa
Gallente
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.31 00:45:00 -
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It IS just a game.
It's NOT an investment.
GET a life.
According to the EULA rules, you can only put money into the game - by buying GTC cards and then getting ISK for those cards - and you can't take money out of the game. So it's NOT an investment.
Go out some more instead of living in your dreamworld. It's cool to play a game, it's cool to roleplay sometimes, but please guys, don't lose track of real life!
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Rabb Darktide
Cirrius Technologies
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.05.31 00:47:00 -
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It is just a game man.. It's NOT real...
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Rabb Darktide
Cirrius Technologies / O X I D E High Council
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MehTheTrader
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.05.31 00:49:00 -
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A game you PAY money for. 
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MehTheTrader
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.05.31 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: MehTheTrader on 31/05/2007 00:50:00
Originally by: Rabb Darktide
It is just a game man.. It's NOT real...
You could say a chair is not real by your concept. A computer world is a material object just in a different form. So if a car is a real object, then so is a computer game.
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B1G DAVE
Veto. Academy
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.31 00:53:00 -
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I'm so glad CCP are stopping GTC <-> Isk sales
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Dakath
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Posted - 2007.05.31 00:59:00 -
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Yes, it's a game.
Some of us take that seriously. 
Most of the people saying "It's just a game." are usually being very self-serving.
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FarScape III
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Posted - 2007.05.31 01:00:00 -
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Is this a GTC thread?
But IMO this IS a game, a GOOD game where things MATTER, but a game none the less.
Heck even real life should not be taken TOO seriously most of the time.
Like corrupt politicians, what can you do except vote them out of office, but everyone else has to agree with you. etc... etc...
A Minmater City... Cool!
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Lord Matrix
PBA Corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.31 01:00:00 -
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It's not a game, it's a living virtual environment.
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Lavinrac Krad
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Posted - 2007.05.31 01:00:00 -
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Life is just a game and those who take it seriously are the saddest losers of all
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cal nereus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:16:00 -
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Edited by: cal nereus on 31/05/2007 07:16:15
Wait, if life is just a game, that means I can steal from you without consequences right? Like in a game right? Oh wait... ya, primarily because of GTC and the fact that everything in EVE can be translated into real life money very easily, the game has become an investment for a lot of people. For some, its even a second job. So the "its just a game" argument is really an over-simplification. Nonetheless, EVE is a game, albeit a complicated one where real people can be hurt in real life by it. That's nothing new though.
Anywho... I like pie. :D Don't take me seriously, or this game for that matter.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rabb Darktide
It is just a game man.. It's NOT real...
The time I spend infront of this computer is real enough to me. I guess basketball is just a game to Michael Jordan and chess is just a game to Isaac Boleslasky. Some of us put forth a lot more effort than others, maybe to some people it is just a casual hobby they do a few hours a week to others we spend more hours in this "game" than we do at work each week and care alot more about the game than we do for work. It is what you make of it.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 31/05/2007 07:32:34
Eve is just a game.
As for getting emotionally tied up in it, the World Cup is also "Just a game"
Its normal, and in my opinion, even healthy to seriously into something like Eve, but only within limits.
Eve is NOT "just a game" in a manner like CIV4. The World Cup football is a much better example for emotional imvolvement. Tyring to pretend Eve should be thought of like CIV4 is silly and wrong.
Eve IS "just a game", but its a pretty serious game, even if it is "just a game".
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Galan Amarias
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 31/05/2007 07:32:34
Its normal, and in my opinion, even healthy to seriously into something like Eve, but only within limits.
Eve is NOT "just a game" in a manner like CIV4. The World Cup football is a much better example for emotional imvolvement. Tyring to pretend Eve should be thought of like CIV4 is silly and wrong.
Eve IS "just a game", but its a pretty serious game, even if it is "just a game".
It's a game, like darts, monopoly and bowling. There is no legal way to get real world money out of EVE, that would be an EULA violation. EVE is not a "virtual place" in the sense that any of the simulated enviroments enjoy some mystical location. It's not another dimension, it's just a big compilcated telecommunications device with a graphical interface. You're just as "somewhere else" as when you use the phone.
EVE didn't hire you. Mabey CCP did, but that's different. You didn't "earn" your battleship in the sense that I earned my Condo or Car. If you treat ingame posessions as real posessions then we could sue CCP if they pull the plug on this universe for something else. EVE II mabey? If you look at the EULA all ingame objects are the rightful property of CCP since they own all the computer equipment necessary for those in game objects to exist.
So, yes by all means get excited about the game. Work to get new toys and have fun. Love that new ship and the prety graphics when it explodes. If you want to take parts of EVE with you, take lots of screen shots. Those really will be yours, though in a limited copyright-ish sort of way.
But don't make big troll threads like this whining about how your time playing a videogame is as valid as a farmers effort to make potatoes or an athlete's skill at whatever sport. No one is paying to watch you play EVE. No one can advertise their products because you are good at mining Veldspar. No real world products are added to the market. What happens when you play is you have fun killing a few hours playing. That's your "you time" and it's a nice escape, just don't place your self worth on it. You'll be very sad.
-Galan
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Galan Amarias
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: MehTheTrader
Edited by: MehTheTrader on 31/05/2007 00:50:00
Originally by: Rabb Darktide
It is just a game man.. It's NOT real...
You could say a chair is not real by your concept. A computer world is a material object just in a different form. So if a car is a real object, then so is a computer game.
Wrong!
A computer world is not a real object. The motherboards and hard drives and what not are real world objects. The computer world is just an immage displayed by them. The things displayed are insubstantial and ephemeral and this kind of valuing of pretend things just because we can see them and have a limited interaction with them is madness.
The chair does not go away if you pull the plug. Melt it blow it up set it on fire all the atoms that composed it are still there, just not in the chair shape anymore.
Erase the memory of all the ingame items and they cease to exist entirely.
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Phoenix Britannian
Gallente
Virtue Corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.31 08:12:00 -
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The thing that takes a game from being a game into being something more, namely a world, or universe in this case, isn't money. It's community and a player's ability to inflict change upon the world.
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Dr Stone
Caldari
R.O.N.E
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Posted - 2007.05.31 08:23:00 -
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The "Get a Life" responce is so old and tiresome. Its the most pointless rebuke of any game related whining, an attempt by the poster to make him look good and cool.
"What is the meaning of life?"
Philosophers have been wrestling with the question for centuries, and here some pimplefaced gamer thinks he can solve a silly post on a forum by claiming mastery of philosophy.
So, for all those "Get A Life" posters out there. Answer me this. "What is the meaning of life, and what makes YOUR view of it the prime view?"
Me, personally, believe that sitting here breathing and thinking is proof enough that, I infact, have a life. I am not undead after all, as such a thing would be a scientific impossibility by todays standards.
As for EVE. Yes, it is truly just a Game, but it is a game that represents more then what Super Mario Bros do. Its a game that represents a significant investment of RL time. Like a hobby. You kiddies do know what a hobby is right?
EVE is my hobby, and when stuff threatens my hobby or how I enjoy my hobby, I tend to get rather ticked off. I assume ths is true for most people who have a hobby.
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Wild Rho
Amarr
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.05.31 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Badhands
No... it isn't.
Super Mario Bros is just a game. Contra is just a game. Civilization 4 is just a game.
The difference? Isk = GTC = real world dollars. The isk I make in game translates into real value. The things I do in Eve are more than entertainment... they're an investment. So please... I'm so tired of people acting like Eve doesn't matter because "it's just a game".
The value you chose to place on your ships and mods is a personal thing. Eve is and always will be "just a game" to me because at the end of the day it really doesn't matter about my stuff as long as I'm enjoying myself. If you want to take it more seriously go ahead but I'll never see it that way.
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.05.31 08:49:00 -
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it's a game.
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Kimiko Kurosawa
The Krugerrand Groupies
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Bill Hicks
Its just a ride...
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Andrachim Tar'nar
The first genesis
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kimiko Kurosawa
Originally by: Bill Hicks
Its just a ride...
Case ******* Closed! ;)
Trivial stuff to argue about, it's your choice to take something seriously or not in this world. Don't try to oversimplify reality by tying it to some random value like money. "Get real" is a nice slogan, some people should be careful what they wish for tho.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:33:00 -
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The problem is all these different views. For some it is 'just a game'. For some it is an 'investment'. For me, it is a hobby. And I guess every one of these PoVs is valid.
But as always, everyone projects his perception of it onto everyone else, and then that leads to conflict.
If the uncaring 'it is just a game' player destroys the investment or prize item of the investor/hobbyist, that leads to a lot of hatred, especially when they then spout the 'it's just a game' comments.
(That this usually happens due to gross stupidity on the investor part is besides the point here)
And the 'game' crowd whines a lot about the other two driving up prices, destroying economies, and not being available as targets at every turn.
In a way this is just an extension of the carebear - ganktard conflict since I am sure most 'game' guys are destroyers and most that take it more seriously are builders.
Basically eve is many things, all depending on what the player makes of it.
Thank you SkyFlyer!
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Kateryne
Minmatar
KAOS.
KA0S Theory
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:35:00 -
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It's a Templar, an amarrian fighter used by carriers, often assigned to shuttles, which i hear can't tank too well, but can use stargates, though not jump drives, but only if you use the correct dread... tick tock!
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:36:00 -
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Using "It's just a game" to explain why you shouldn't take the game too seriously: good.
Using "It's just a game" as a justification for raging asshattery: bad.
Any questions?
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Khan Dhu
Khan Dhu Research and Cloning
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:48:00 -
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=1TcFRtl09BM
Seemed fitting.
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Lavinrac Krad
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Posted - 2007.05.31 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: cal nereus
Edited by: cal nereus on 31/05/2007 07:16:15
Wait, if life is just a game, that means I can steal from you without consequences right?
Hey who said games don't have consequences? Go on 63'rd street on the South Side of Chicago in the US and cheat in a game of craps, see the consequences
Less drastically, play poker and make a dumb bet.
Two games with consequences. Life is a game and I enjoy waking up everyday to play it.
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.31 10:47:00 -
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You want to know someone, watch him play - Plato
if your ass itches in the evening, your fingers will smell in the morning - Pluto
i think i lost the plot of the discussion
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