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Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.31 10:54:00 - [31] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 31/05/2007 10:53:01 Then i guess diablo isn't a game, or starcraft, counterstrike ain't a game either i guess then... or let's see...any MMO out there. Right?
Ms Peddlington	Posted - 2007.05.31 11:07:00 - [32] Edited by: Ms Peddlington on 31/05/2007 11:05:53
Dr Stone Caldari R.O.N.E	Posted - 2007.05.31 11:09:00 - [33] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 31/05/2007 10:53:01 Then i guess diablo isn't a game, or starcraft, counterstrike ain't a game either i guess then... or let's see...any MMO out there. Right? Was there training involved to become this stupid, or were you born like that? Its like explaining to a child why the sky is blue, and after 30 minutes the child goes, "So, why.. is the sky blue?"
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.31 11:13:00 - [34] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 31/05/2007 11:12:27 Originally by: Dr Stone Was there training involved to become this stupid, or were you born like that? Its like explaining to a child why the sky is blue, and after 30 minutes the child goes, "So, why.. is the sky blue?" Do you often go against the people that are on the same side? Or did you need a special training camp for that? Careful who you call stupid, might look like that yourself. I was talking to the original poster, about stuff made/done ingame having a real cash value and that being reason enough for it not to be a game. And how ridicilous it sounded when brought into other context. My post was sarcastic, your reply was just ignorant since you need to resort to insults.
Drizit Amarr	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:40:00 - [35] Eve is a game?.... --
Cougem Defile.	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:52:00 - [36] Edited by: Cougem on 31/05/2007 13:52:27 Originally by: Galan Amarias Originally by: MehTheTrader Edited by: MehTheTrader on 31/05/2007 00:50:00 Originally by: Rabb Darktide It is just a game man.. It's NOT real... You could say a chair is not real by your concept. A computer world is a material object just in a different form. So if a car is a real object, then so is a computer game. Wrong! A computer world is not a real object. The motherboards and hard drives and what not are real world objects. The computer world is just an immage displayed by them. The things displayed are insubstantial and ephemeral and this kind of valuing of pretend things just because we can see them and have a limited interaction with them is madness. The chair does not go away if you pull the plug. Melt it blow it up set it on fire all the atoms that composed it are still there, just not in the chair shape anymore. Erase the memory of all the ingame items and they cease to exist entirely. WRONG! The eve universe is tangible in the fact it is information and hence but be recorded somehow. Just in the way molecules of atoms make up your chair, the movement of charge by electronics makes up the eve game. Electrons are fundamental particles just like the quarks that make up the protons that define the chemical identity of an atom. Some go as far as to argue that these quarks and electrons are made up of strings, along with gravity, electromagnetism and stuff bound to membranes (well possibly not in the case of gravity, it may not be bound) which forms a sort of hard-drive of our universe, with parallel platters for alternative universes. So if you want to take a reductionist approach, my electrons defining my eve experience are just as valid a measure of what's real as your quarks defining your atoms. Just because one expresses its existence as charge, which we express with light and electricity, and one by creating massive particles which are tangiable in the more classical manner, doesn't necessarily mean the latter are more real.
Ms Peddlington	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:53:00 - [37] Edited by: Ms Peddlington on 31/05/2007 13:52:14
Dr Stone Caldari R.O.N.E	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:54:00 - [38] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 31/05/2007 11:12:27 Originally by: Dr Stone Was there training involved to become this stupid, or were you born like that? Its like explaining to a child why the sky is blue, and after 30 minutes the child goes, "So, why.. is the sky blue?" Do you often go against the people that are on the same side? Or did you need a special training camp for that? Careful who you call stupid, might look like that yourself. I was talking to the original poster, about stuff made/done ingame having a real cash value and that being reason enough for it not to be a game. And how ridicilous it sounded when brought into other context. My post was sarcastic, your reply was just ignorant since you need to resort to insults. Fair enough. Defenitly my mistake, so I apologize for that. Sarcasm and seriousness is not often so easy to pick up in written forums. So, I apologize. (sigh, keep posting with the wrong character)
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Dr Stone Fair enough. Defenitly my mistake, so I apologize for that. Sarcasm and seriousness is not often so easy to pick up in written forums. So, I apologize. (sigh, keep posting with the wrong character) Oh not at all, it's quite allright as forums are always that, forums. Misunderstandings happen and as long as there's no silly playground push&shove contest, things usually get solved between reasonable parties
Fracking Beach	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:02:00 - [40] I would like to point the OP the caption on top of each of these pages, right side of the EVE Online logo: "The world's largest game universe" It's just a game. Get over it.
Cougem Defile.	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:10:00 - [41] Originally by: Fracking Beach I would like to point the OP the caption on top of each of these pages, right side of the EVE Online logo: "The world's largest game universe" It's just a game. Get over it. His point is it isn't JUST a game. It actually have some real life effects. Nobody says that football isn't a game, but everyone recognises rigging the world cup (even if there was no money involved, though there is in EVE with fees so I guess that doesn't even matter) or it being biased or whatever would be incredibly immoral.
Shinris	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:14:00 - [42] Originally by: Merrick Vale Sure it's just a game. Football's just a game. Basketball's just a game. Poker's just a game. Some people make lots of money playing them, but they're still just games. O.o your not much into sport are you?! as a former elite judo fighter i can tell you it's NOT just a "game" it's more like a job then a game and it's NOT fun all the time, it's a hell lot of work to get to a goal and the goal is the "fun" part which makes it worth the effort and then it's just getting a new goal, some goals you never get to fulfill and that will advantually make you stop at some point when you simply can't get to the goal you want. the same with these mmo's which is not just games because it's alot of work to get to a goal and the goal is the reason for doing borring annoying things like grinding.
Fracking Beach	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:21:00 - [43] Originally by: Cougem It actually have some real life effects. Please elaborate: What kind of real life effects are you talking about? You do not _play_ this game to make real money, do you?
Cougem Defile.	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:31:00 - [44] Edited by: Cougem on 31/05/2007 14:30:49 Originally by: Fracking Beach Originally by: Cougem It actually have some real life effects. Please elaborate: What kind of real life effects are you talking about? You do not _play_ this game to make real money, do you? Where did I mention money? I actually have some high cognitive brain function and have a thirst for human interaction. I get a lot of that from friends in real life, but I also have many friends in game who I play with, and I gain a lot from that as someone would playing with their local Sunday football team. I'd be ****ed off if I was in an amateur football league and it was rigged or biased but they argued it was OK because we weren't making any money. Life isn't about money, some may even say life is about friendship and love. I expect EVE plays quite a role in that part of existence to a lot of people, otherwise they wouldn't pay several hundred quid to go to fanfest.
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:34:00 - [45] Originally by: Avon Which is why you declare all your in-game stuff on your tax returns, right? An excelent point. That would also mean that I should put my purchases into my tax deductions. Since I need that stuff for my virtual "job" ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Ferrosa Gallente Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:43:00 - [46] Originally by: Dr Stone The "Get a Life" responce is so old and tiresome. Its the most pointless rebuke of any game related whining, an attempt by the poster to make him look good and cool. "What is the meaning of life?" Philosophers have been wrestling with the question for centuries, and here some pimplefaced gamer thinks he can solve a silly post on a forum by claiming mastery of philosophy. So, for all those "Get A Life" posters out there. Answer me this. "What is the meaning of life, and what makes YOUR view of it the prime view?" Me, personally, believe that sitting here breathing and thinking is proof enough that, I infact, have a life. I am not undead after all, as such a thing would be a scientific impossibility by todays standards. As for EVE. Yes, it is truly just a Game, but it is a game that represents more then what Super Mario Bros do. Its a game that represents a significant investment of RL time. Like a hobby. You kiddies do know what a hobby is right? EVE is my hobby, and when stuff threatens my hobby or how I enjoy my hobby, I tend to get rather ticked off. I assume ths is true for most people who have a hobby. By "get a life" you know what I meant. Go out with your friends, girlfriend, boyfriend, family,... Do not neglect them due to your addiction or obsession with this game AS IT IS A FRIGGIN GAME! You can turn and twist it the way you want, it remains a friggin' game. For every other hobby, every other game, or every other sport... If I knew someone that was obsessed with it and neglected real life things that mattered for it, then I would give him the same advice as I did to you guys: Get back to your real life, rearrange your priorities and try to make a difference!
Istoledat	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:46:00 - [47] 1. get a real job. 2. it's just a game.
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:47:00 - [48] Eve is a game. it may also variously be... art, a hobby, a full time job, a glorified chat client, a social experiment or even real, subject to some tedious philosophical debate. it doesn't have to be one thing at a time, but whatever else it is, it remains a computer game.
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:26:00 - [49] Originally by: ry ry Eve is a game. it may also variously be... art, a hobby, a full time job, a glorified chat client, a social experiment or even real, subject to some tedious philosophical debate. it doesn't have to be one thing at a time, but whatever else it is, it remains a computer game. And our survey says... BWAOAOAOAOAOAOaoaoaoaoao! Top answer! ----------------------------------------------- "And I scream in a thousand voices!"
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Booze and Hookers	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:44:00 - [50] It's just a computer game. Something to spend my time on. Something to do instead of fixing the roof like my wife wants me to. ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:47:00 - [51] I think Eve is just a game for most people, even though im sure its possible to make Eve take over your real life if you want it to. Personally I wouldnt want to become successful in a game if it took making sacrifices in real life. It IS just a game. For me. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Probeltis Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:51:00 - [52] Originally by: MehTheTrader A game you PAY money for. As you pay for most games. I buy the CD for single player games, you buy a deck of cards to play poker, you buy a PS2/3,etc... to play those game ONTOP of the game that you bought. The fact that you pay for Eve in a different manner, or the fact that people accept your ability to pay for their account in exchange for ingame money does not in any way, shape, or form diminish the fact that its still a game. The only people that EVE is not "just a game" to, are the people that depend on eve to make a living. ie.. CCP employee's ------------------- blah blah blah, something about my views are mine not my alliance/corp, blah blah blah "There is no such thing as reality, There's only perception" --Don't know, I made it
Dal Thrax Caldari Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.05.31 18:41:00 - [53] Originally by: B1G DAVE I'm so glad CCP are stopping GTC <-> Isk sales Link? (Not that I disagree but I'll believe it when I see it). Dal Things I learned playing PnP RPGs: 1)Always assume that the players will bring the maximum available firepower against a objective.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.31 18:43:00 - [54] its my game you all lose! Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 19:19:00 - [55] Originally by: Badhands No... it isn't. Super Mario Bros is just a game. Contra is just a game. Civilization 4 is just a game. The difference? Isk = GTC = real world dollars. The isk I make in game translates into real value. The things I do in Eve are more than entertainment... they're an investment. So please... I'm so tired of people acting like Eve doesn't matter because "it's just a game". Ok... what's your $/hr then?
Anwylyd Al'Vos Minmatar United Anti-Enheduanni Front	Posted - 2007.05.31 19:34:00 - [56] Originally by: Ferrosa Originally by: Dr Stone ...EVE is my hobby, and when stuff threatens my hobby or how I enjoy my hobby, I tend to get rather ticked off. I assume ths is true for most people who have a hobby. ... If I knew someone that was obsessed with it and neglected real life things that mattered for it, then I would give him the same advice as I did to you guys: Get back to your real life, rearrange your priorities and try to make a difference! Agreed on both counts. : - The Story Teller
Maxpie Cross Roads	Posted - 2007.05.31 19:43:00 - [57] Just a game? Oh, you must be referring to that so called "real life." Sometimes, when I dock, get out of my pod and go to my quarters in the station I log onto that. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.
cal nereus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.05.31 22:19:00 - [58] EVE is a game with real life consequences. Not too many consequences, but enough to make people care more about EVE than, say, their personal high score in an arcade game...
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.31 22:23:00 - [59] Originally by: B1G DAVE I'm so glad CCP are stopping GTC <-> Isk sales like that will make it any harder for anyone selling isk for real money ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Dread Phantom Caldari Project-Chaos	Posted - 2007.05.31 23:12:00 - [60] preety crappy investment as ccp owns everything

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