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Badhands Gallente Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.05.31 00:20:00 - [1] No... it isn't. Super Mario Bros is just a game. Contra is just a game. Civilization 4 is just a game. The difference? Isk = GTC = real world dollars. The isk I make in game translates into real value. The things I do in Eve are more than entertainment... they're an investment. So please... I'm so tired of people acting like Eve doesn't matter because "it's just a game". -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Statement on dev misconduct: for the record, Darkstar1 has 3 pos in game only, both are and have always worked fine
Nerf Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.31 00:21:00 - [2] Which is exactly why I don't support GTC <-> ISK trade.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.31 00:33:00 - [3] Originally by: Badhands No... it isn't. Super Mario Bros is just a game. Contra is just a game. Civilization 4 is just a game. The difference? Isk = GTC = real world dollars. The isk I make in game translates into real value. The things I do in Eve are more than entertainment... they're an investment. So please... I'm so tired of people acting like Eve doesn't matter because "it's just a game". Which is why you declare all your in-game stuff on your tax returns, right? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Merrick Vale ACCORD Industries North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.05.31 00:45:00 - [4] Sure it's just a game. Football's just a game. Basketball's just a game. Poker's just a game. Some people make lots of money playing them, but they're still just games.
Ferrosa Gallente Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 00:45:00 - [5] It IS just a game. It's NOT an investment. GET a life. According to the EULA rules, you can only put money into the game - by buying GTC cards and then getting ISK for those cards - and you can't take money out of the game. So it's NOT an investment. Go out some more instead of living in your dreamworld. It's cool to play a game, it's cool to roleplay sometimes, but please guys, don't lose track of real life!
Rabb Darktide Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.05.31 00:47:00 - [6] It is just a game man.. It's NOT real... ---- Rabb Darktide Cirrius Technologies / O X I D E High Council
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.05.31 00:49:00 - [7] A game you PAY money for.
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.05.31 00:51:00 - [8] Edited by: MehTheTrader on 31/05/2007 00:50:00 Originally by: Rabb Darktide It is just a game man.. It's NOT real... You could say a chair is not real by your concept. A computer world is a material object just in a different form. So if a car is a real object, then so is a computer game.
B1G DAVE Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.31 00:53:00 - [9] I'm so glad CCP are stopping GTC <-> Isk sales
Dakath	Posted - 2007.05.31 00:59:00 - [10] Yes, it's a game. Some of us take that seriously. Most of the people saying "It's just a game." are usually being very self-serving.
FarScape III	Posted - 2007.05.31 01:00:00 - [11] Is this a GTC thread? But IMO this IS a game, a GOOD game where things MATTER, but a game none the less. Heck even real life should not be taken TOO seriously most of the time. Like corrupt politicians, what can you do except vote them out of office, but everyone else has to agree with you. etc... etc... A Minmater City... Cool! My Stats :)
Lord Matrix PBA Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.31 01:00:00 - [12] It's not a game, it's a living virtual environment.
Lavinrac Krad	Posted - 2007.05.31 01:00:00 - [13] Life is just a game and those who take it seriously are the saddest losers of all
cal nereus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.05.31 07:16:00 - [14] Edited by: cal nereus on 31/05/2007 07:16:15 Wait, if life is just a game, that means I can steal from you without consequences right? Like in a game right? Oh wait... ya, primarily because of GTC and the fact that everything in EVE can be translated into real life money very easily, the game has become an investment for a lot of people. For some, its even a second job. So the "its just a game" argument is really an over-simplification. Nonetheless, EVE is a game, albeit a complicated one where real people can be hurt in real life by it. That's nothing new though. Anywho... I like pie. :D Don't take me seriously, or this game for that matter.
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.05.31 07:30:00 - [15] Originally by: Rabb Darktide It is just a game man.. It's NOT real... The time I spend infront of this computer is real enough to me. I guess basketball is just a game to Michael Jordan and chess is just a game to Isaac Boleslasky. Some of us put forth a lot more effort than others, maybe to some people it is just a casual hobby they do a few hours a week to others we spend more hours in this "game" than we do at work each week and care alot more about the game than we do for work. It is what you make of it.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.31 07:33:00 - [16] Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 31/05/2007 07:32:34 Eve is just a game. As for getting emotionally tied up in it, the World Cup is also "Just a game" Its normal, and in my opinion, even healthy to seriously into something like Eve, but only within limits. Eve is NOT "just a game" in a manner like CIV4. The World Cup football is a much better example for emotional imvolvement. Tyring to pretend Eve should be thought of like CIV4 is silly and wrong. Eve IS "just a game", but its a pretty serious game, even if it is "just a game". Quote: Originally by: CCP kieron If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
Galan Amarias Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.31 07:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 31/05/2007 07:32:34 Its normal, and in my opinion, even healthy to seriously into something like Eve, but only within limits. Eve is NOT "just a game" in a manner like CIV4. The World Cup football is a much better example for emotional imvolvement. Tyring to pretend Eve should be thought of like CIV4 is silly and wrong. Eve IS "just a game", but its a pretty serious game, even if it is "just a game". It's a game, like darts, monopoly and bowling. There is no legal way to get real world money out of EVE, that would be an EULA violation. EVE is not a "virtual place" in the sense that any of the simulated enviroments enjoy some mystical location. It's not another dimension, it's just a big compilcated telecommunications device with a graphical interface. You're just as "somewhere else" as when you use the phone. EVE didn't hire you. Mabey CCP did, but that's different. You didn't "earn" your battleship in the sense that I earned my Condo or Car. If you treat ingame posessions as real posessions then we could sue CCP if they pull the plug on this universe for something else. EVE II mabey? If you look at the EULA all ingame objects are the rightful property of CCP since they own all the computer equipment necessary for those in game objects to exist. So, yes by all means get excited about the game. Work to get new toys and have fun. Love that new ship and the prety graphics when it explodes. If you want to take parts of EVE with you, take lots of screen shots. Those really will be yours, though in a limited copyright-ish sort of way. But don't make big troll threads like this whining about how your time playing a videogame is as valid as a farmers effort to make potatoes or an athlete's skill at whatever sport. No one is paying to watch you play EVE. No one can advertise their products because you are good at mining Veldspar. No real world products are added to the market. What happens when you play is you have fun killing a few hours playing. That's your "you time" and it's a nice escape, just don't place your self worth on it. You'll be very sad. -Galan
Galan Amarias Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.31 07:55:00 - [18] Originally by: MehTheTrader Edited by: MehTheTrader on 31/05/2007 00:50:00 Originally by: Rabb Darktide It is just a game man.. It's NOT real... You could say a chair is not real by your concept. A computer world is a material object just in a different form. So if a car is a real object, then so is a computer game. Wrong! A computer world is not a real object. The motherboards and hard drives and what not are real world objects. The computer world is just an immage displayed by them. The things displayed are insubstantial and ephemeral and this kind of valuing of pretend things just because we can see them and have a limited interaction with them is madness. The chair does not go away if you pull the plug. Melt it blow it up set it on fire all the atoms that composed it are still there, just not in the chair shape anymore. Erase the memory of all the ingame items and they cease to exist entirely.
Phoenix Britannian Gallente Virtue Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:12:00 - [19] The thing that takes a game from being a game into being something more, namely a world, or universe in this case, isn't money. It's community and a player's ability to inflict change upon the world. - Phoenix Britannian
Dr Stone Caldari R.O.N.E	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:23:00 - [20] The "Get a Life" responce is so old and tiresome. Its the most pointless rebuke of any game related whining, an attempt by the poster to make him look good and cool. "What is the meaning of life?" Philosophers have been wrestling with the question for centuries, and here some pimplefaced gamer thinks he can solve a silly post on a forum by claiming mastery of philosophy. So, for all those "Get A Life" posters out there. Answer me this. "What is the meaning of life, and what makes YOUR view of it the prime view?" Me, personally, believe that sitting here breathing and thinking is proof enough that, I infact, have a life. I am not undead after all, as such a thing would be a scientific impossibility by todays standards. As for EVE. Yes, it is truly just a Game, but it is a game that represents more then what Super Mario Bros do. Its a game that represents a significant investment of RL time. Like a hobby. You kiddies do know what a hobby is right? EVE is my hobby, and when stuff threatens my hobby or how I enjoy my hobby, I tend to get rather ticked off. I assume ths is true for most people who have a hobby.
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Badhands No... it isn't. Super Mario Bros is just a game. Contra is just a game. Civilization 4 is just a game. The difference? Isk = GTC = real world dollars. The isk I make in game translates into real value. The things I do in Eve are more than entertainment... they're an investment. So please... I'm so tired of people acting like Eve doesn't matter because "it's just a game". The value you chose to place on your ships and mods is a personal thing. Eve is and always will be "just a game" to me because at the end of the day it really doesn't matter about my stuff as long as I'm enjoying myself. If you want to take it more seriously go ahead but I'll never see it that way.
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:49:00 - [22] it's a game.
Kimiko Kurosawa The Krugerrand Groupies	Posted - 2007.05.31 09:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Bill Hicks Its just a ride...
Andrachim Tar'nar The first genesis	Posted - 2007.05.31 09:30:00 - [24] Originally by: Kimiko Kurosawa Originally by: Bill Hicks Its just a ride... Case ******* Closed! ;) Trivial stuff to argue about, it's your choice to take something seriously or not in this world. Don't try to oversimplify reality by tying it to some random value like money. "Get real" is a nice slogan, some people should be careful what they wish for tho.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2007.05.31 09:33:00 - [25] The problem is all these different views. For some it is 'just a game'. For some it is an 'investment'. For me, it is a hobby. And I guess every one of these PoVs is valid. But as always, everyone projects his perception of it onto everyone else, and then that leads to conflict. If the uncaring 'it is just a game' player destroys the investment or prize item of the investor/hobbyist, that leads to a lot of hatred, especially when they then spout the 'it's just a game' comments. (That this usually happens due to gross stupidity on the investor part is besides the point here) And the 'game' crowd whines a lot about the other two driving up prices, destroying economies, and not being available as targets at every turn. In a way this is just an extension of the carebear - ganktard conflict since I am sure most 'game' guys are destroyers and most that take it more seriously are builders. Basically eve is many things, all depending on what the player makes of it. Thank you SkyFlyer! There is no 'n' in tur
Kateryne Minmatar KAOS. KA0S Theory	Posted - 2007.05.31 09:35:00 - [26] It's a Templar, an amarrian fighter used by carriers, often assigned to shuttles, which i hear can't tank too well, but can use stargates, though not jump drives, but only if you use the correct dread... tick tock!
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.05.31 09:36:00 - [27] Using "It's just a game" to explain why you shouldn't take the game too seriously: good. Using "It's just a game" as a justification for raging asshattery: bad. Any questions?
Khan Dhu Khan Dhu Research and Cloning	Posted - 2007.05.31 09:48:00 - [28] http://youtube.com/watch?v=1TcFRtl09BM Seemed fitting.
Lavinrac Krad	Posted - 2007.05.31 10:31:00 - [29] Originally by: cal nereus Edited by: cal nereus on 31/05/2007 07:16:15 Wait, if life is just a game, that means I can steal from you without consequences right? Hey who said games don't have consequences? Go on 63'rd street on the South Side of Chicago in the US and cheat in a game of craps, see the consequences Less drastically, play poker and make a dumb bet. Two games with consequences. Life is a game and I enjoy waking up everyday to play it.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 10:47:00 - [30] You want to know someone, watch him play - Plato if your ass itches in the evening, your fingers will smell in the morning - Pluto i think i lost the plot of the discussion ------
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.31 10:54:00 - [31] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 31/05/2007 10:53:01 Then i guess diablo isn't a game, or starcraft, counterstrike ain't a game either i guess then... or let's see...any MMO out there. Right?
Ms Peddlington	Posted - 2007.05.31 11:07:00 - [32] Edited by: Ms Peddlington on 31/05/2007 11:05:53
Dr Stone Caldari R.O.N.E	Posted - 2007.05.31 11:09:00 - [33] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 31/05/2007 10:53:01 Then i guess diablo isn't a game, or starcraft, counterstrike ain't a game either i guess then... or let's see...any MMO out there. Right? Was there training involved to become this stupid, or were you born like that? Its like explaining to a child why the sky is blue, and after 30 minutes the child goes, "So, why.. is the sky blue?"
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.31 11:13:00 - [34] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 31/05/2007 11:12:27 Originally by: Dr Stone Was there training involved to become this stupid, or were you born like that? Its like explaining to a child why the sky is blue, and after 30 minutes the child goes, "So, why.. is the sky blue?" Do you often go against the people that are on the same side? Or did you need a special training camp for that? Careful who you call stupid, might look like that yourself. I was talking to the original poster, about stuff made/done ingame having a real cash value and that being reason enough for it not to be a game. And how ridicilous it sounded when brought into other context. My post was sarcastic, your reply was just ignorant since you need to resort to insults.
Drizit Amarr	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:40:00 - [35] Eve is a game?.... --
Cougem Defile.	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:52:00 - [36] Edited by: Cougem on 31/05/2007 13:52:27 Originally by: Galan Amarias Originally by: MehTheTrader Edited by: MehTheTrader on 31/05/2007 00:50:00 Originally by: Rabb Darktide It is just a game man.. It's NOT real... You could say a chair is not real by your concept. A computer world is a material object just in a different form. So if a car is a real object, then so is a computer game. Wrong! A computer world is not a real object. The motherboards and hard drives and what not are real world objects. The computer world is just an immage displayed by them. The things displayed are insubstantial and ephemeral and this kind of valuing of pretend things just because we can see them and have a limited interaction with them is madness. The chair does not go away if you pull the plug. Melt it blow it up set it on fire all the atoms that composed it are still there, just not in the chair shape anymore. Erase the memory of all the ingame items and they cease to exist entirely. WRONG! The eve universe is tangible in the fact it is information and hence but be recorded somehow. Just in the way molecules of atoms make up your chair, the movement of charge by electronics makes up the eve game. Electrons are fundamental particles just like the quarks that make up the protons that define the chemical identity of an atom. Some go as far as to argue that these quarks and electrons are made up of strings, along with gravity, electromagnetism and stuff bound to membranes (well possibly not in the case of gravity, it may not be bound) which forms a sort of hard-drive of our universe, with parallel platters for alternative universes. So if you want to take a reductionist approach, my electrons defining my eve experience are just as valid a measure of what's real as your quarks defining your atoms. Just because one expresses its existence as charge, which we express with light and electricity, and one by creating massive particles which are tangiable in the more classical manner, doesn't necessarily mean the latter are more real.
Ms Peddlington	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:53:00 - [37] Edited by: Ms Peddlington on 31/05/2007 13:52:14
Dr Stone Caldari R.O.N.E	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:54:00 - [38] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 31/05/2007 11:12:27 Originally by: Dr Stone Was there training involved to become this stupid, or were you born like that? Its like explaining to a child why the sky is blue, and after 30 minutes the child goes, "So, why.. is the sky blue?" Do you often go against the people that are on the same side? Or did you need a special training camp for that? Careful who you call stupid, might look like that yourself. I was talking to the original poster, about stuff made/done ingame having a real cash value and that being reason enough for it not to be a game. And how ridicilous it sounded when brought into other context. My post was sarcastic, your reply was just ignorant since you need to resort to insults. Fair enough. Defenitly my mistake, so I apologize for that. Sarcasm and seriousness is not often so easy to pick up in written forums. So, I apologize. (sigh, keep posting with the wrong character)
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Dr Stone Fair enough. Defenitly my mistake, so I apologize for that. Sarcasm and seriousness is not often so easy to pick up in written forums. So, I apologize. (sigh, keep posting with the wrong character) Oh not at all, it's quite allright as forums are always that, forums. Misunderstandings happen and as long as there's no silly playground push&shove contest, things usually get solved between reasonable parties
Fracking Beach	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:02:00 - [40] I would like to point the OP the caption on top of each of these pages, right side of the EVE Online logo: "The world's largest game universe" It's just a game. Get over it.
Cougem Defile.	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:10:00 - [41] Originally by: Fracking Beach I would like to point the OP the caption on top of each of these pages, right side of the EVE Online logo: "The world's largest game universe" It's just a game. Get over it. His point is it isn't JUST a game. It actually have some real life effects. Nobody says that football isn't a game, but everyone recognises rigging the world cup (even if there was no money involved, though there is in EVE with fees so I guess that doesn't even matter) or it being biased or whatever would be incredibly immoral.
Shinris	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:14:00 - [42] Originally by: Merrick Vale Sure it's just a game. Football's just a game. Basketball's just a game. Poker's just a game. Some people make lots of money playing them, but they're still just games. O.o your not much into sport are you?! as a former elite judo fighter i can tell you it's NOT just a "game" it's more like a job then a game and it's NOT fun all the time, it's a hell lot of work to get to a goal and the goal is the "fun" part which makes it worth the effort and then it's just getting a new goal, some goals you never get to fulfill and that will advantually make you stop at some point when you simply can't get to the goal you want. the same with these mmo's which is not just games because it's alot of work to get to a goal and the goal is the reason for doing borring annoying things like grinding.
Fracking Beach	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:21:00 - [43] Originally by: Cougem It actually have some real life effects. Please elaborate: What kind of real life effects are you talking about? You do not _play_ this game to make real money, do you?
Cougem Defile.	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:31:00 - [44] Edited by: Cougem on 31/05/2007 14:30:49 Originally by: Fracking Beach Originally by: Cougem It actually have some real life effects. Please elaborate: What kind of real life effects are you talking about? You do not _play_ this game to make real money, do you? Where did I mention money? I actually have some high cognitive brain function and have a thirst for human interaction. I get a lot of that from friends in real life, but I also have many friends in game who I play with, and I gain a lot from that as someone would playing with their local Sunday football team. I'd be ****ed off if I was in an amateur football league and it was rigged or biased but they argued it was OK because we weren't making any money. Life isn't about money, some may even say life is about friendship and love. I expect EVE plays quite a role in that part of existence to a lot of people, otherwise they wouldn't pay several hundred quid to go to fanfest.
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:34:00 - [45] Originally by: Avon Which is why you declare all your in-game stuff on your tax returns, right? An excelent point. That would also mean that I should put my purchases into my tax deductions. Since I need that stuff for my virtual "job" ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Ferrosa Gallente Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:43:00 - [46] Originally by: Dr Stone The "Get a Life" responce is so old and tiresome. Its the most pointless rebuke of any game related whining, an attempt by the poster to make him look good and cool. "What is the meaning of life?" Philosophers have been wrestling with the question for centuries, and here some pimplefaced gamer thinks he can solve a silly post on a forum by claiming mastery of philosophy. So, for all those "Get A Life" posters out there. Answer me this. "What is the meaning of life, and what makes YOUR view of it the prime view?" Me, personally, believe that sitting here breathing and thinking is proof enough that, I infact, have a life. I am not undead after all, as such a thing would be a scientific impossibility by todays standards. As for EVE. Yes, it is truly just a Game, but it is a game that represents more then what Super Mario Bros do. Its a game that represents a significant investment of RL time. Like a hobby. You kiddies do know what a hobby is right? EVE is my hobby, and when stuff threatens my hobby or how I enjoy my hobby, I tend to get rather ticked off. I assume ths is true for most people who have a hobby. By "get a life" you know what I meant. Go out with your friends, girlfriend, boyfriend, family,... Do not neglect them due to your addiction or obsession with this game AS IT IS A FRIGGIN GAME! You can turn and twist it the way you want, it remains a friggin' game. For every other hobby, every other game, or every other sport... If I knew someone that was obsessed with it and neglected real life things that mattered for it, then I would give him the same advice as I did to you guys: Get back to your real life, rearrange your priorities and try to make a difference!
Istoledat	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:46:00 - [47] 1. get a real job. 2. it's just a game.
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.05.31 14:47:00 - [48] Eve is a game. it may also variously be... art, a hobby, a full time job, a glorified chat client, a social experiment or even real, subject to some tedious philosophical debate. it doesn't have to be one thing at a time, but whatever else it is, it remains a computer game.
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:26:00 - [49] Originally by: ry ry Eve is a game. it may also variously be... art, a hobby, a full time job, a glorified chat client, a social experiment or even real, subject to some tedious philosophical debate. it doesn't have to be one thing at a time, but whatever else it is, it remains a computer game. And our survey says... BWAOAOAOAOAOAOaoaoaoaoao! Top answer! ----------------------------------------------- "And I scream in a thousand voices!"
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Booze and Hookers	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:44:00 - [50] It's just a computer game. Something to spend my time on. Something to do instead of fixing the roof like my wife wants me to. ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:47:00 - [51] I think Eve is just a game for most people, even though im sure its possible to make Eve take over your real life if you want it to. Personally I wouldnt want to become successful in a game if it took making sacrifices in real life. It IS just a game. For me. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Probeltis Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 17:51:00 - [52] Originally by: MehTheTrader A game you PAY money for. As you pay for most games. I buy the CD for single player games, you buy a deck of cards to play poker, you buy a PS2/3,etc... to play those game ONTOP of the game that you bought. The fact that you pay for Eve in a different manner, or the fact that people accept your ability to pay for their account in exchange for ingame money does not in any way, shape, or form diminish the fact that its still a game. The only people that EVE is not "just a game" to, are the people that depend on eve to make a living. ie.. CCP employee's ------------------- blah blah blah, something about my views are mine not my alliance/corp, blah blah blah "There is no such thing as reality, There's only perception" --Don't know, I made it
Dal Thrax Caldari Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.05.31 18:41:00 - [53] Originally by: B1G DAVE I'm so glad CCP are stopping GTC <-> Isk sales Link? (Not that I disagree but I'll believe it when I see it). Dal Things I learned playing PnP RPGs: 1)Always assume that the players will bring the maximum available firepower against a objective.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.31 18:43:00 - [54] its my game you all lose! Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.31 19:19:00 - [55] Originally by: Badhands No... it isn't. Super Mario Bros is just a game. Contra is just a game. Civilization 4 is just a game. The difference? Isk = GTC = real world dollars. The isk I make in game translates into real value. The things I do in Eve are more than entertainment... they're an investment. So please... I'm so tired of people acting like Eve doesn't matter because "it's just a game". Ok... what's your $/hr then?
Anwylyd Al'Vos Minmatar United Anti-Enheduanni Front	Posted - 2007.05.31 19:34:00 - [56] Originally by: Ferrosa Originally by: Dr Stone ...EVE is my hobby, and when stuff threatens my hobby or how I enjoy my hobby, I tend to get rather ticked off. I assume ths is true for most people who have a hobby. ... If I knew someone that was obsessed with it and neglected real life things that mattered for it, then I would give him the same advice as I did to you guys: Get back to your real life, rearrange your priorities and try to make a difference! Agreed on both counts. : - The Story Teller
Maxpie Cross Roads	Posted - 2007.05.31 19:43:00 - [57] Just a game? Oh, you must be referring to that so called "real life." Sometimes, when I dock, get out of my pod and go to my quarters in the station I log onto that. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.
cal nereus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.05.31 22:19:00 - [58] EVE is a game with real life consequences. Not too many consequences, but enough to make people care more about EVE than, say, their personal high score in an arcade game...
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.31 22:23:00 - [59] Originally by: B1G DAVE I'm so glad CCP are stopping GTC <-> Isk sales like that will make it any harder for anyone selling isk for real money ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Dread Phantom Caldari Project-Chaos	Posted - 2007.05.31 23:12:00 - [60] preety crappy investment as ccp owns everything
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.31 23:15:00 - [61] Since all value is ultimately just subjective, and as such, superficial, one need not distinguish between digital ingame currency and hard real world cash as a factor of the importance of this game for people. Importance, ultimately, is just subjectively measured too. I submit, though, that EVE has a number of characteristics that encourages people to value the ingame happenings inside EVE as mroe important than those of other games - I know that I do. These being, firstly, the unsharded universe, and secondly, the penalties for failure. After playing EVE for as long as I have now, I just can't bring myself to get the same excitement over many other games, knowing full well that the stakes are just not as high: FPS Deathmatch for example, while certainly fun and action packed to the brim, has no consequence in the longer run. It is exactly these stakes that make people feel that EVE is not just a game, but a lifestyle. It really is an alternate universe to immerse ourselves in, for better or for worse. And I tell ya, that EVE lady is a damn jealous *****! Therein lies the genius of CCP. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, price negotiable. Evemail me!
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.31 23:47:00 - [62] Did I just kill this poor thread? --- WTS: Forum Signatures, price negotiable. Evemail me!
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.05.31 23:54:00 - [63] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar Did I just kill this poor thread? Nope, just everyone's spamming up other threads at the mo. ----------------------------------------------- "Breaking News! The Pointless hates GIFs!"
Drizit Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.01 00:26:00 - [64] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar [snip] Importance, ultimately, is just subjectively measured too. I submit, though, that EVE has a number of characteristics that encourages people to value the ingame happenings inside EVE as mroe important than those of other games - I know that I do. These being, firstly, the unsharded universe, and secondly, the penalties for failure. After playing EVE for as long as I have now, I just can't bring myself to get the same excitement over many other games, knowing full well that the stakes are just not as high: FPS Deathmatch for example, while certainly fun and action packed to the brim, has no consequence in the longer run. [snip QFT. Many games have a save feature that kills the effect. In most games, you die and reload for another go at the same level. If you die in Eve, you can easily end up back in your Ibis mining veld for another try sometime in the future. --
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.06.01 00:31:00 - [65] EvE is just a game. The bible is just a book. The Mona Lisa is just a picture. The US constitution is just a document.
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.01 00:37:00 - [66] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf The US constitution is just a document. I wouldn't go that far. It's just a piece of paper :P --- WTS: Forum Signatures, price negotiable. Evemail me!
rackhard	Posted - 2007.06.01 01:04:00 - [67] ok those that say it's just a game please send me 1 bill isk to prove to me that it is just a game :) for you thanks Rackhard
CrispyKritters Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.06.01 01:34:00 - [68] Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 01:40:22 Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 01:36:40 CCP could erase the servers tomorrow and we'd be left with nothing except memories, hence it is a game. Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf EvE is just a game. yes Quote: The bible is just a book. We won't go into religious arguments Quote: The Mona Lisa is just a picture. Yes, it is Quote: The US constitution is just a document. Yes, it is, people/politics can also turn it into something worth less then toliet paper if they wanted to
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.01 01:38:00 - [69] Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 01/06/2007 01:37:44 Originally by: CrispyKritters CCP could erase the servers tomorrow and we'd be left with nothing except memories, hence it is a game. untrue! we would also have some killer fraps and some wicked desktop images Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
Nim9i5	Posted - 2007.06.01 02:11:00 - [70] Edited by: Nim9i5 on 01/06/2007 02:17:27
Galan Amarias Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.01 05:17:00 - [71] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar Since all value is ultimately just subjective, and as such, superficial, one need not distinguish between digital ingame currency and hard real world cash as a factor of the importance of this game for people. All value is not subjective. This type of reasioning, admitedly taken to an extreme, allows for endless abuse through the devaluation of important prinicples. Case in point, life is precious, unless you are a sociopath. However the sociopath is in the wrong to devalue life. Value is subjuctive to the consensus of the masses, not the whim of the individual. This is why diamonds are expensive and toilet paper is cheap. Quote: Importance, ultimately, is just subjectively measured too. I submit, though, that EVE has a number of characteristics that encourages people to value the ingame happenings inside EVE as mroe important than those of other games - I know that I do. These being, firstly, the unsharded universe, and secondly, the penalties for failure. There are degrees of accptability to the importance placed on thing. The ****e addict who allows their addiction to devalue all other aspects of their life and who consequently loses job, friends, family, home and on can not make a reasonable case that they have traded well for what they truly value. As a society we are required to reject the notion that **e can be as valuable as friends, family, job, health... Much the same in professional sports or high stakes poker. Yes we expect those involved to take the games seriously. Yes it can be expected that they would be elated with success and dissapointed by failure. However it's also accepted that failure followed by virulent personal attacks is innapropriate. It happens, but the offender is shunned. Quote: After playing EVE for as long as I have now, I just can't bring myself to get the same excitement over many other games, knowing full well that the stakes are just not as high: FPS Deathmatch for example, while certainly fun and action packed to the brim, has no consequence in the longer run. That excitment is both the wonderful invention and the dangerous quality in roleplaying games. It provides a real sense of accomplishment. Psychologists tell us the part of our brains responsible for desire can not distinguish between fantasy and reality. That distinction requires higher consious brain function. Quote: It is exactly these stakes that make people feel that EVE is not just a game, but a lifestyle. It really is an alternate universe to immerse ourselves in, for better or for worse. And I tell ya, that EVE lady is a damn jealous ***! Therein lies the genius of CCP. Indeed. However EVE is not a lifestyle or an alternative universe. It's a computer program. One we all interface with and enjoy. However it is a fleeting thing. The ships and worlds and stations and stars will go away. Much sooner than most of us will. Eventually the technology that fuels it will be obsolete and EVE will go the way of Ultima Online, EQ and all the rest that came before it. You could make the same arguments for a really long serious game of Monopoly. The stakes, within the game, are life or death through crushing poverty. Time played and luck of the dice turn into properties and hotels and houses... still the kid who throws a fit when he lands on boardwalk and gets bankrupted by the call of, "Rent" is wrong to have taken it so seriously. Play the game, get imerssed have fun, build empires. But maintain the correct perspective. Win or lose it's just a game and we should all be able to have fun either way. -Galan
Pilok Shitfly Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.01 07:33:00 - [72] Originally by: CrispyKritters Quote: The bible is just a book. We won't go into religious arguments I will. Yes And what about ccp stopping gtc for isk? That's not true, or can someone show me a link were they say they will stop this
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.06.01 14:01:00 - [73] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf The bible is just a book. It's a collection of books actually. ----------------------------------------------- "Breaking News! The Pointless hates GIFs!"
Ethaet Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.01 14:06:00 - [74] Originally by: The Pointless Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf The bible is just a book. It's a collection of books actually. Classic fiction Originally by: Phoenixhawk Patching.......... Oh wow look the servers didnt all shut down. Hi-Five another successful patch....Durrrwomp....Hey who turned out the lights, oh look there's light outside the wi
Jack Target Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.06.01 14:47:00 - [75] Edited by: Jack Target on 01/06/2007 14:47:27 Eve is probably a game according to the 'noun 1' definition of 'game' in the Oxford Dictionary shown below. HOWEVER Eve is a sandbox where rules are abstract and can be forgotten. Therefore, perhaps Eve is more accurately described as a 'virtual reality' rather than as a 'game'. Game ò noun 1 an activity engaged in for amusement. 2 a form of competitive activity or sport played according to rules. 3 a complete episode or period of play, ending in a final result. 4 a single portion of play, forming a scoring unit within a game. 5 (games) a meeting for sporting contests. 6 the equipment used in playing a board game, computer game, etc. 7 a type of activity or business regarded as a game. 8 a secret plan or trick. 9 wild mammals or birds hunted for sport or food. ò adjective eager and willing to do something new or challenging: they were game for anything. ò verb play at games of chance for money. Therefore, if you believe Eve Online is a game, ISK farmers are playing as professional gamers as they are playing for a "chance for money".
Badhands Gallente Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.06.01 14:54:00 - [76] For people who keep saying you can't take value out of the game: 1) Make lots of isk 2) Buy GTCs 3) Sell GTCs to your friends who play Eve for $$ 4) Profit!! Zomg we finally filled in step #3! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Statement on dev misconduct: for the record, Darkstar1 has 3 pos in game only, both are and have always worked fine
rackhard	Posted - 2007.06.01 15:05:00 - [77] Originally by: rackhard ok those that say it's just a game please send me 1 bill isk to prove to me that it is just a game :) for you thanks Rackhard well I am bummmed I log in fully expexting to be a multi billionare from all these folks that say it's just a game :( had 0 isk still so I guess this is just more than a game to you all and your all just talk :)
Trishan Minmatar Green Men Incorporated The Threshold	Posted - 2007.06.01 15:37:00 - [78] Originally by: Avon Which is why you declare all your in-game stuff on your tax returns, right? You don't have any in game assets as they all belong to CCP, as the EULA points out IIRC.

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