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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:15:00 -
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Since all value is ultimately just subjective, and as such, superficial, one need not distinguish between digital ingame currency and hard real world cash as a factor of the importance of this game for people.
Importance, ultimately, is just subjectively measured too. I submit, though, that EVE has a number of characteristics that encourages people to value the ingame happenings inside EVE as mroe important than those of other games - I know that I do.
These being, firstly, the unsharded universe, and secondly, the penalties for failure.
After playing EVE for as long as I have now, I just can't bring myself to get the same excitement over many other games, knowing full well that the stakes are just not as high: FPS Deathmatch for example, while certainly fun and action packed to the brim, has no consequence in the longer run.
It is exactly these stakes that make people feel that EVE is not just a game, but a lifestyle. It really is an alternate universe to immerse ourselves in, for better or for worse.
And I tell ya, that EVE lady is a damn jealous *****!
Therein lies the genius of CCP.
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:47:00 -
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Did I just kill this poor thread?
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The Pointless
Gallente
Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Tareen Kashaar
Did I just kill this poor thread?
Nope, just everyone's spamming up other threads at the mo. 
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Drizit
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tareen Kashaar
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Importance, ultimately, is just subjectively measured too. I submit, though, that EVE has a number of characteristics that encourages people to value the ingame happenings inside EVE as mroe important than those of other games - I know that I do.
These being, firstly, the unsharded universe, and secondly, the penalties for failure.
After playing EVE for as long as I have now, I just can't bring myself to get the same excitement over many other games, knowing full well that the stakes are just not as high: FPS Deathmatch for example, while certainly fun and action packed to the brim, has no consequence in the longer run.
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QFT. Many games have a save feature that kills the effect. In most games, you die and reload for another go at the same level. If you die in Eve, you can easily end up back in your Ibis mining veld for another try sometime in the future.
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Daelin Blackleaf
No Joy Corp
Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:31:00 -
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EvE is just a game.
The bible is just a book.
The Mona Lisa is just a picture.
The US constitution is just a document.
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
The US constitution is just a document.
I wouldn't go that far. It's just a piece of paper :P
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rackhard
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:04:00 -
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ok those that say it's just a game please send me 1 bill isk to prove to me that it is just a game :) for you
thanks
Rackhard
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CrispyKritters
Caldari
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:34:00 -
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Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 01:40:22
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 01:36:40
CCP could erase the servers tomorrow and we'd be left with nothing except memories, hence it is a game.
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
EvE is just a game.
yes
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The bible is just a book.
We won't go into religious arguments
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The Mona Lisa is just a picture.
Yes, it is
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The US constitution is just a document.
Yes, it is, people/politics can also turn it into something worth less then toliet paper if they wanted to
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:38:00 -
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Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 01/06/2007 01:37:44
Originally by: CrispyKritters
CCP could erase the servers tomorrow and we'd be left with nothing except memories, hence it is a game.
untrue! we would also have some killer fraps and some wicked desktop images
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
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Nim9i5
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:11:00 -
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Edited by: Nim9i5 on 01/06/2007 02:17:27
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Galan Amarias
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tareen Kashaar
Since all value is ultimately just subjective, and as such, superficial, one need not distinguish between digital ingame currency and hard real world cash as a factor of the importance of this game for people.
All value is not subjective. This type of reasioning, admitedly taken to an extreme, allows for endless abuse through the devaluation of important prinicples. Case in point, life is precious, unless you are a sociopath. However the sociopath is in the wrong to devalue life. Value is subjuctive to the consensus of the masses, not the whim of the individual. This is why diamonds are expensive and toilet paper is cheap.
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Importance, ultimately, is just subjectively measured too. I submit, though, that EVE has a number of characteristics that encourages people to value the ingame happenings inside EVE as mroe important than those of other games - I know that I do.
These being, firstly, the unsharded universe, and secondly, the penalties for failure.
There are degrees of accptability to the importance placed on thing. The ******e addict who allows their addiction to devalue all other aspects of their life and who consequently loses job, friends, family, home and on can not make a reasonable case that they have traded well for what they truly value. As a society we are required to reject the notion that ******e can be as valuable as friends, family, job, health...
Much the same in professional sports or high stakes poker. Yes we expect those involved to take the games seriously. Yes it can be expected that they would be elated with success and dissapointed by failure. However it's also accepted that failure followed by virulent personal attacks is innapropriate. It happens, but the offender is shunned.
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After playing EVE for as long as I have now, I just can't bring myself to get the same excitement over many other games, knowing full well that the stakes are just not as high: FPS Deathmatch for example, while certainly fun and action packed to the brim, has no consequence in the longer run.
That excitment is both the wonderful invention and the dangerous quality in roleplaying games. It provides a real sense of accomplishment. Psychologists tell us the part of our brains responsible for desire can not distinguish between fantasy and reality. That distinction requires higher consious brain function.
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It is exactly these stakes that make people feel that EVE is not just a game, but a lifestyle. It really is an alternate universe to immerse ourselves in, for better or for worse.
And I tell ya, that EVE lady is a damn jealous *****!
Therein lies the genius of CCP.
Indeed. However EVE is not a lifestyle or an alternative universe. It's a computer program. One we all interface with and enjoy. However it is a fleeting thing. The ships and worlds and stations and stars will go away. Much sooner than most of us will. Eventually the technology that fuels it will be obsolete and EVE will go the way of Ultima Online, EQ and all the rest that came before it.
You could make the same arguments for a really long serious game of Monopoly. The stakes, within the game, are life or death through crushing poverty. Time played and luck of the dice turn into properties and hotels and houses... still the kid who throws a fit when he lands on boardwalk and gets bankrupted by the call of, "Rent" is wrong to have taken it so seriously.
Play the game, get imerssed have fun, build empires. But maintain the correct perspective. Win or lose it's just a game and we should all be able to have fun either way.
-Galan
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Pilok Shitfly
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.01 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: CrispyKritters
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The bible is just a book.
We won't go into religious arguments
I will.
Yes
And what about ccp stopping gtc for isk?
That's not true, or can someone show me a link were they say they will stop this
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The Pointless
Gallente
Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.06.01 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
The bible is just a book.
It's a collection of books actually.
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Ethaet
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.01 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: The Pointless
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
The bible is just a book.
It's a collection of books actually.
Classic fiction 
Originally by: Phoenixhawk
Patching.......... Oh wow look the servers didnt all shut down. Hi-Five another successful patch....Durrrwomp....Hey who turned out the lights, oh look there's light outside the wi |
Jack Target
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.06.01 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Target on 01/06/2007 14:47:27
Eve is probably a game according to the 'noun 1' definition of 'game' in the Oxford Dictionary shown below.
HOWEVER Eve is a sandbox where rules are abstract and can be forgotten. Therefore, perhaps Eve is more accurately described as a 'virtual reality' rather than as a 'game'.
Game
ò noun 1 an activity engaged in for amusement. 2 a form of competitive activity or sport played according to rules. 3 a complete episode or period of play, ending in a final result. 4 a single portion of play, forming a scoring unit within a game. 5 (games) a meeting for sporting contests. 6 the equipment used in playing a board game, computer game, etc. 7 a type of activity or business regarded as a game. 8 a secret plan or trick. 9 wild mammals or birds hunted for sport or food.
ò adjective eager and willing to do something new or challenging: they were game for anything.
ò verb play at games of chance for money.
Therefore, if you believe Eve Online is a game, ISK farmers are playing as professional gamers as they are playing for a "chance for money".
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Badhands
Gallente
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.06.01 14:54:00 -
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For people who keep saying you can't take value out of the game:
1) Make lots of isk
2) Buy GTCs
3) Sell GTCs to your friends who play Eve for $$
4) Profit!!
Zomg we finally filled in step #3!
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rackhard
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: rackhard
ok those that say it's just a game please send me 1 bill isk to prove to me that it is just a game :) for you
thanks
Rackhard
well I am bummmed I log in fully expexting to be a multi billionare from all these folks that say it's just a game :(
had 0 isk still so I guess this is just more than a game to you all and your all just talk :)
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Trishan
Minmatar
Green Men Incorporated
The Threshold
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Which is why you declare all your in-game stuff on your tax returns, right?
You don't have any in game assets as they all belong to CCP, as the EULA points out IIRC.
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