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Phoebus Athenian
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.31 00:37:00 -
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I must say the goon bluff was quite cunning...
And it hit everywhere as mentioned in the link below:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=472
I was too sort of convinced, only because of the volume of information. I read the RSS from slashdot and usually take it seriously...
It has to be said, however, that CCP gave a very good full report in very short notice.
We must applaud this effort and.. ask for more of that kind of feedback.
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Cynoka
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Posted - 2007.05.31 00:55:00 -
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Thankyou CCP, everything about it was suspect. Not the allegations just the accusations. Just a damn shame CCP cant really punish the wrongdoers without facing further allegations.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.31 00:57:00 -
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Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 31/05/2007 00:56:15
sure they can
add an extra 100000 billion isk to all goon bounties permanently
hehehe
then we will have macro goon farmers to deal with though
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Capt Rob
Minmatar
Black Omega Security
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 00:59:00 -
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im truely disgusted with my fellow goons...How dare they plan and execute suce a barbaric assault upon CCP. Disgusting!
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FarScape III
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Posted - 2007.05.31 01:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Capt Rob
im truely disgusted with my fellow goons...How dare they plan and execute suce a barbaric assault upon CCP. Disgusting!
Yeah, but most people realise it is always just a few bad apples and not the whole barrel.
A Minmater City... Cool!
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Blind Man
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.05.31 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Capt Rob
im truely disgusted with my fellow goons...How dare they plan and execute suce a barbaric assault upon CCP. Disgusting!
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Aramova
Gallente
Middle Finger Technology
Ghosts Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.31 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Capt Rob
im truely disgusted with my fellow goons...How dare they plan and execute suce a barbaric assault upon CCP. Disgusting!
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Minmatar Citizen 2468569
Destructive Infleunce
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Posted - 2007.05.31 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Phoebus Athenian
I must say the goon bluff was quite cunning...
And it hit everywhere as mentioned in the link below:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=472
I was too sort of convinced, only because of the volume of information. I read the RSS from slashdot and usually take it seriously...
It has to be said, however, that CCP gave a very good full report in very short notice.
We must applaud this effort and.. ask for more of that kind of feedback.
Post with your main
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veritas primus
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Posted - 2007.05.31 03:26:00 -
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Hey Phoebus....you got a little something there....no right there! yea....on your chin.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.31 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 31/05/2007 03:25:50
**Does silly drunk dance around bloated dead corpse of Conspiracy Theory Which Hunt**
Well, the rotting remains of the witch hunt are still stinking up the place a bit, but a bit of time under the harsh light of truth should just leave a dry withered husk as the only reminder that it ever existed.
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Originally by: CCP kieron
If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs. |
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Voculus
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.31 03:29:00 -
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They still never addressed why BoB are the only alliance allowed to have personal contact with the Devs and GMs. Could have something to do with half of CCP being in BoB.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.31 03:31:00 -
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where has it been stated that they are? Cause I see no credible source for that info
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.05.31 03:39:00 -
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Why should they punish the goons? Did BoB even get a slap on the wrist for their cheating?
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.31 03:45:00 -
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iunno, do they make any of their "player corrections" public? 
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.05.31 03:52:00 -
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More holes in that than in swiss cheese. But I won't be commenting on this crap. Play the game and lets hope CCP figures out how to run a real internal affairs department.
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Phoebus Athenian
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.31 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ridley Tree
More holes in that than in swiss cheese. But I won't be commenting on this crap. Play the game and lets hope CCP figures out how to run a real internal affairs department.
Ridley, they're trying and we should applaud that, don't you think?
Not too long ago there wasn't any internal affairs :P
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Phoebus Athenian
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.31 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Voculus
They still never addressed why BoB are the only alliance allowed to have personal contact with the Devs and GMs. Could have something to do with half of CCP being in BoB.
Thats one of the reasons the goon propaganda got me...
But sadly they used one valid point to twist the whole thing out of proportion.
Its still a valid issue, however...
Let the GMs who have friends in the game be warned ;)
Metagaming == ban eventually.
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Conrad Bland
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Posted - 2007.05.31 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Why should they punish the goons? Did BoB even get a slap on the wrist for their cheating?
Who are you kidding? T20 didn't even get a slap on the wrist for cheating..
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Krulla
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.31 04:02:00 -
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I hope you guys don't mind that I'm stealing your sig.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.05.31 04:53:00 -
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CCP will do whats needed to keep the dollars pouring in its their game their determinations if they loose customers over unfair response then its also on their palte
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.05.31 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Phoebus Athenian
I was too sort of convinced, only because of the volume of information. I read the RSS from slashdot and usually take it seriously...
While I am glad you kept an open mind I find it rather shocking the number of people who jumped on the Goon bandwagon. I thought the age of the Salem Witch Trials was long past us but seems it is not so. The rush to judgement was appalling with people calling for CCP heads on a platter.
Whatever happened to critical thinking? Is this a lost art? Heck, people's innate bullcrap meter should have pegged before getting halfway through the Goon screed.
- A Dev openly joining a corp for all to see being up to no good? C'mon...do you REALLY think anyone would be so stupid if the intent was to "spy" or otherwise cause trouble? With all their Dev powers isn't it FAR more likely that if he wanted to get some info he could have gone about it in a way they would never have known about?
- A letter from a disgruntled ISD who was canned. Hmm...while not making the letter false it is certainly something one has to consider when thinking on the person's veracity.
- The whole thing is brought to light three weeks after it happened rather than immediately.
- A concerted and coordinated effort is put together to spam CCP rather than it just being a single whistle blower.
- The whole effort to slander CCP is timed across a holiday weekend.
Dunno about you but the whole thing stunk badly. That all does not necessarily make what they were on about untrue but it is more than enough to wonder at it all and not go all Chicken Little and form up lynch mobs.
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DiuxDium
Free Mercenaries Union
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.31 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Voculus
They still never addressed why BoB are the only alliance allowed to have personal contact with the Devs and GMs. Could have something to do with half of CCP being in BoB.
They're not. Proof of half of CCP being in BoB.
You sound like nothing more than a fool making such accusations with no evidence. You should spend more time in eve, and less on the forums. Maybe you wouldn't be so bitter if you did. 
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.05.31 05:19:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 31/05/2007 05:19:16
Originally by: Voculus
They still never addressed why BoB are the only alliance allowed to have personal contact with the Devs and GMs. Could have something to do with half of CCP being in BoB.
Proof?
I recall awhile back in some Dev Post somewhere from CCP Arkanon (I think) that he looked in to the distribution of CCP employees in EVE and found they were well and truly spread out all over the place (different alliances, corps, regions, etc.).
Getting tired of the ubiquitous, "BOB = Dev" posts. While not immediately relevant to the situation at hand the latest fiasco has revived that old mantra. Would be nice if he posted stats on that again (not who is where, just that the employees are suitably represented all over the place).
EDIT: Disclosure -- I am not in BOB, have never been in BOB with any character ever. Sold a few some ships once is about it and I kinda know a few but then I know people in lots of Alliances.
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Christopher Scott
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:51:00 -
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I like how much of the hearsay is coming from alts.
Since when was it proven that Goons coordinated anything? All I see are accusations being made at CCP, and they are making allegations back. There is no proof at all given.
Originally by: DB Preacher
I may be a muppet on these forums and wind peeps up massively but what is going on here is waaaaay over the edge of reasonable morality.
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Sharkikke
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:04:00 -
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I like how in the petition he said "ingame members of ISD new IDIOT"
and nothing happened....He must have some MAJOR influence in CCP or he wouldnt get away with calling anyone an idiot, let alone an ISD member.
Petition poster sure sounds like he knows alot about ISD members and there "rank" status.....
Lets just hope the petitioner uses lube.
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cal nereus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:06:00 -
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I honestly don't expect CCP to do anything to Goons, and I think these accusations by the Goons against CCP won't go anywhere either. There's just a lot of ****-talk back and forth, but nothin' will happen. And that's how it should be IMO. Let the Goons raise their voices, and let CCP just run its little game. There's little to no evidence of a coordinated effort of foul play from either party, and I say let individuals take the flak.
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Galan Amarias
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Scott
I like how much of the hearsay is coming from alts.
Since when was it proven that Goons coordinated anything? All I see are accusations being made at CCP, and they are making allegations back. There is no proof at all given.
I've been wanting to chime in on this all day and this is the opening.
Proof eh?
Ok what were the allegations? All but one proved to be blatantly false on the dev blog, we got screenies of dev tools to prove it unless you want to be in the photoshop paranoia crowd. Then you may want to claim there was no moon landing and that the cold war was a sham.
What hasn't been addressed? Devs using windows messenger or some other 3rdpy software to talk to people who play the game and are in BoB.
How can you prove or disprove that? It's like proving that Jesus liked to wink. There is no evidence available, period. They can't monitor a 3rd party program. They can't dictate to their employees what they are and are not allowed to do in their free time. Can you imagine the free speach implications if they tried to prevent at-home MSN use to anyone? Any charges would be based on hearsay at best unless you make the instalation of CCP spyware on your home pc mandatory for employment. You better belive that would get them sued and rightly so.
Is it possible that some ccp folks know some BOB folks? Sure the game is four years old and was tiny when it got running. In a small comunity people are going to meet. What should be addressed is what can BOB get from that interaction? Some super conduit of dev wonders? IA seems to be pretty on top of that. Anything BOB gets will leave a trail.
So what does it come down to. Either you are a conspiricy theorist and your faith in the devs has been irevocably shattered, and you should probably move on because you're going to be jumping at shadows all over. Or you realize this was BS and they responded as quickly and throughly as possible pushing close to some of their NDA agrements to give us internal screenies and the game is still the coolest thing online so you have fun.
As for proving the CCP allegations agains the Goons, it's self evident to anyone who isn't predjuduced against the devs. I'll hit the high points again, 3 week delay from incident to propaganda swarm. Propaganda hits on 3 day weekend. Propaganda hits within hours in droves on multiple sights and is largely baseless, except for the "BOB Cheats" mantra running through.
When you want to resolve legitimate concerns you contat the other party and open a rational dialog.
When you want to resolve illegitimate ambition you use a trick called "The Big Lie" I'm sure the ploy is defined on Wikipedia and you could get a good feel for it by watching Karl Rove.
Me I'm for reason, the devs gave us what they could and the game still kicks <explative>. I'll be paying $15.00 again next month and loving it.
-Galan
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CaptainSeafort
Gallente
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2007.05.31 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man
Originally by: Capt Rob
im truely disgusted with my fellow goons...How dare they plan and execute suce a barbaric assault upon CCP. Disgusting!
NOOOO! BLINDMAN!
youre sig! 
ive always loved your "grapple" sig, its infact saved on my HD 
"Planets and moons no longer hitch rides on player ships. Their towel privileges have been revoked." HHGG Lives on in EVE! |
DarkFenix
Caldari
Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.05.31 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Voculus
They still never addressed why BoB are the only alliance allowed to have personal contact with the Devs and GMs. Could have something to do with half of CCP being in BoB.
GoonSwarm's Dramabomb II strikes Voculus perfectly, wrecking what little semblance of intelligence he had.
Pull your head out of your ass and stop assuming only BoB members are friends with CCP devs. There is a decent likelyhood of ANY veteran player of Eve (particularly one who has been to events such as fanfests) having contact with devs out of game. A number of people even had the sack to admit it in the wake of GS's dramabomb.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.05.31 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Phoebus Athenian
I was too sort of convinced, only because of the volume of information. I read the RSS from slashdot and usually take it seriously...
While I am glad you kept an open mind I find it rather shocking the number of people who jumped on the Goon bandwagon. I thought the age of the Salem Witch Trials was long past us but seems it is not so. The rush to judgement was appalling with people calling for CCP heads on a platter.
Whatever happened to critical thinking? Is this a lost art? Heck, people's innate bullcrap meter should have pegged before getting halfway through the Goon screed.
- A Dev openly joining a corp for all to see being up to no good? C'mon...do you REALLY think anyone would be so stupid if the intent was to "spy" or otherwise cause trouble? With all their Dev powers isn't it FAR more likely that if he wanted to get some info he could have gone about it in a way they would never have known about?
- A letter from a disgruntled ISD who was canned. Hmm...while not making the letter false it is certainly something one has to consider when thinking on the person's veracity.
- The whole thing is brought to light three weeks after it happened rather than immediately.
- A concerted and coordinated effort is put together to spam CCP rather than it just being a single whistle blower.
- The whole effort to slander CCP is timed across a holiday weekend.
Dunno about you but the whole thing stunk badly. That all does not necessarily make what they were on about untrue but it is more than enough to wonder at it all and not go all Chicken Little and form up lynch mobs.
Pipe Down
SKUNK
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