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Filthy Pierre
Gallente
Laughing Fox Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.05.31 08:36:00 -
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(Boy, this forum w***ing is addictive!)
Has anyone considered that CCP might just possibly be a BoB-sponsored event?
Yeah, that's the ticket! CCP is a BoB-designed entity to rule the metagame universe!
Where the heck did I put that copper mesh beanie...?
FP
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Galan Amarias
How can you prove or disprove that? It's like proving that Jesus liked to wink. There is no evidence available, period. They can't monitor a 3rd party program. They can't dictate to their employees what they are and are not allowed to do in their free time. Can you imagine the free speach implications if they tried to prevent at-home MSN use to anyone? Any charges would be based on hearsay at best unless you make the instalation of CCP spyware on your home pc mandatory for employment. You better belive that would get them sued and rightly so.
-Galan
Not that I buy into 100% of the conspiracy fluff that's floating around ATM, but I'd like to address this little chunk of fail.
Ever read one of the nastier corporate NDAs? I've seen provisions to monitor your personal phone calls. You sign the agreement, you agree, so long as they don't directly violate your constitutional rights (assuming we're dealing with a nation governed by rule of law). Last I checked, outside dissemination of trade secrets doesn't qualify as protected speech.
You're still right, though. People are arguing both sides of a point that they will never, ever have any sort of evidence for or against.
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Aleranie
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Posted - 2007.05.31 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Aleranie on 31/05/2007 09:56:50
The only problem that really concerned people, was the allegation that Bob could bypass the existing petition system because they had a "large" number of devs on contact.
Bob directors THEMSELVES posted that they had this, and asserted it was friendly contact only. The fact that a petition was filed in the matter of the isd pilot getting the boot does lend credence to the fact that it was properly handled....
But that's not enough. If ccp had never been caught cheating, or even if they had consistently taken harsh responses to it, it might be.
But it's not. CCP has been caught sweeping stuff under the rug, and they need to go a little farther. Run an audit to find out if inappropriate contact is going on.
The T20 thing hasnt been forgotten. It was a massive breach of trust, both in how it was handled and the sheer scope of cheating.
Do not mistake my meaning. I love this game. It is the only game like it, and the devs are doing a great job of making it better with each successive patch. It just makes me very sad to even consider that there might not be an even playing field.
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John Thorlake
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Posted - 2007.05.31 10:01:00 -
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Sure fine, things was not so bad, the Dev only did his job and so forth and so on.
BUT was that really the issue?
The only thing CCP has done now with all their pictures and petition quotes is to give the Dev aliby to go check out rival corps problems as soon as they have a petition logged.
I am sure that he hesitated a long time before embarking upon his "good deed" journey.
Or perhaps he is just a good but silly guy that did not think of the consequenses before helping out.
Why just not let a Dev that has no good or bad ties to the corp handle the petition instead?
Or are you trying to tell me that this dev dude was the only person at CCP that was able to handle the problem?
First off I will never get why CCP is letting there own staff play EvE wich is the real root to all evil.
I myself am building systems for customers and I dont have to be working
in their systems to know where to look when someone reports an error.
I am not even allowed due to the sensitivity of their customer related data.
For heavens sake I built the **** in the first place i know everything and what to test.
Lets say for argument sake the Devs need to be in the game and "observe" like regular players for some strange reason I cant possibly understand.
Then why not as a free roaming camera, invisible ship or something equal.
They have built the frikkin game why not build the functionality to run maintenace the usual NEUTRAL way?
If they need to test stuff, do it on the TEST server. I thought that is why it is there.
That way no one will question if a dev takes a plunge into the database and checks for errors, joins a corp to test stuff or help players out in all imaginable situations.
Neutrality is essential and the ONLY way CCP can make ALL accusations and rumours go away.
It is so easy it is silly.
It does not matter if they have an internal affairs department (Inside their own company my god.). People will still think there is something rotten in CCP.
My point to all this is that the question concerning the reason WHY he did help out should never have to arise.
And would never arise if CCP removed their staff from participating activly in the game itself.
Silly buggers! :)
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.31 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 31/05/2007 10:11:34
Originally by: John Thorlake
Lets say for argument sake the Devs need to be in the game and "observe" like regular players for some strange reason I cant possibly understand.
Then why not as a free roaming camera, invisible ship or something equal.
They have built the frikkin game why not build the functionality to run maintenace the usual NEUTRAL way?
This particular part of your post show that basics of your concept are weak, IMHO.
Combination of factors that can be calculated does not make something solid without expiriance that cant be calculated easy.
Its like PvP abilities in a way. PPL can fly better ships with better skills and still lose 1 on 1 against weaker ship of pilot with weaker skills. Why is that? Only couse of expiriance that one them have and other one dont have.
I admit, its not best example, but there are things that ppl need to be personaly involved in order to understand them. They are not just writen somehwere so others can fully use them and understand them as intended
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DarkFenix
Caldari
Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.05.31 10:15:00 -
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The thing is, if CCP didn't play their game, it wouldn't be the great game it is now. If they don't play it, they don't really understand it. If they don't understand it, they can't make well informed decisions on how to change it.
As for the t20 incident. I saw this a bit of a non-event even when it all exploded early this year. Ok so a dev cheated a while back, he gave some mediocre BPO's to an alliance with enough resources not to need them anyway. But this happened 6 months prior to the dramabomb, and CCP dealt with it. They chose not to fire the dev in question. Who the hell are you people to say they should have fired him? CCP is not your company and you have no say in how it's run. It was a CCP internal affair and they didn't even have to say anything about it, because their internal disciplinary procedures are nobody elses damned business.
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Coupo
Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.05.31 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Voculus
They still never addressed why BoB are the only alliance allowed to have personal contact with the Devs and GMs. Could have something to do with half of CCP being in BoB.
Right, firstly I don't know who is and who is not a dev so I wont say I will.
That being said, I am adamant that there are more devs outside of BoB than are in it. Also BoB are not the only ones with personal contact with devs or GMs.
Ok heres a simple task list for everyone to carry out so you to can have Devs on your msn.
1. Get a Job
2. Save money
3. GOTO AN EVE MEET
4. MEET AND BEFRIEND A DEV, p.s. they're mature and funny guys so if you're the same they might like you back. example: see last EVE Meet EVE TV footage.
5. After you have befriended the dev, ask for his or her msn and say you wish to remain in contact because you like them and wish to build up a further relationship online. For the purposes of this tutorial it will be As good buddies only.
6. Add them to your msn, and begin chatting.
Now i'm sure as you now have your own dev on the msn list you'll be tempted to discuss things about EVE. If you have been playing for a long time i'm sure the dev will take into account your opinion, because he or she will respect you as a person.
Somethings will not obtain you this though, and these are constant *****ing, whining, and general antisocial behaviour and asking stupid questions at the EVE Meet.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.31 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Coupo
Originally by: Voculus
They still never addressed why BoB are the only alliance allowed to have personal contact with the Devs and GMs. Could have something to do with half of CCP being in BoB.
Right, firstly I don't know who is and who is not a dev so I wont say I will.
That being said, I am adamant that there are more devs outside of BoB than are in it. Also BoB are not the only ones with personal contact with devs or GMs.
Ok heres a simple task list for everyone to carry out so you to can have Devs on your msn.
1. Get a Job
2. Save money
3. GOTO AN EVE MEET
4. MEET AND BEFRIEND A DEV, p.s. they're mature and funny guys so if you're the same they might like you back. example: see last EVE Meet EVE TV footage.
5. After you have befriended the dev, ask for his or her msn and say you wish to remain in contact because you like them and wish to build up a further relationship online. For the purposes of this tutorial it will be As good buddies only.
6. Add them to your msn, and begin chatting.
Now i'm sure as you now have your own dev on the msn list you'll be tempted to discuss things about EVE. If you have been playing for a long time i'm sure the dev will take into account your opinion, because he or she will respect you as a person.
Somethings will not obtain you this though, and these are constant *****ing, whining, and general antisocial behaviour and asking stupid questions at the EVE Meet.
This man speaketh the truth 
Factual devblog strikes goonswarm propoganda , wrecking for toys thrown out of the pram damage |
Capt Rob
Minmatar
Black Omega Security
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 11:10:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Coupo
Originally by: Voculus
They still never addressed why BoB are the only alliance allowed to have personal contact with the Devs and GMs. Could have something to do with half of CCP being in BoB.
Right, firstly I don't know who is and who is not a dev so I wont say I will.
That being said, I am adamant that there are more devs outside of BoB than are in it. Also BoB are not the only ones with personal contact with devs or GMs.
Ok heres a simple task list for everyone to carry out so you to can have Devs on your msn.
1. Get a Job
2. Save money
3. GOTO AN EVE MEET
4. MEET AND BEFRIEND A DEV, p.s. they're mature and funny guys so if you're the same they might like you back. example: see last EVE Meet EVE TV footage.
5. After you have befriended the dev, ask for his or her msn and say you wish to remain in contact because you like them and wish to build up a further relationship online. For the purposes of this tutorial it will be As good buddies only.
6. Add them to your msn, and begin chatting.
Now i'm sure as you now have your own dev on the msn list you'll be tempted to discuss things about EVE. If you have been playing for a long time i'm sure the dev will take into account your opinion, because he or she will respect you as a person.
Somethings will not obtain you this though, and these are constant *****ing, whining, and general antisocial behaviour and asking stupid questions at the EVE Meet.
OMG...The wisdom displayed here is mindblowing.
So SIGNED!
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.05.31 11:18:00 -
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Narrr, buy them lots of drinks untill they pass out, then make pics of them with another guy in bed and blackmail them into giving u a titan, or kill BoB, or add fluffy bunnies to the game, or whatever 
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
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Valan
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Posted - 2007.05.31 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Valan on 31/05/2007 11:19:03
You have to thank t20 for a being a cheating git in the first place or the current situation would be much worse.
IMO CCP went into arrogant mode, they were experiencing some success and they thought they didn't have to justify anything to the player base. You could see it with various border line exploit issues and then the t20 thing came out. Halfway through trying to tell the player base it was none of their business someone had a moment of clarity and decided the players did matter and came clean (to be honest, it's minor fraud anywhere else you would be sacked but you can't do that 6 months later). They also made future provision for similar occurrences.
So t20 inadvertently prepared CCP for the Goon onslaught. Even though it occurred at the weekend CCP were on the ball. If they had handled the Goon story the same as the previous one I think CCP would still be in a mess now.
/start sig
I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
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Duff Ray
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Posted - 2007.05.31 11:21:00 -
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My question would be if the petition on the ISD reporter was legit, then how did the admiral guy know which ISD repoter it was, since it didn't mention his name in the petition?
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.31 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Hans Roaming on 31/05/2007 11:21:57
Originally by: John Thorlake
The only thing CCP has done now with all their pictures and petition quotes is to give the Dev aliby to go check out rival corps problems as soon as they have a petition logged.
I am sure that he hesitated a long time before embarking upon his "good deed" journey.
Or perhaps he is just a good but silly guy that did not think of the consequenses before helping out.
You know for sure this guy has a char in BoB?
Originally by: John Thorlake
Why just not let a Dev that has no good or bad ties to the corp handle the petition instead?
Or are you trying to tell me that this dev dude was the only person at CCP that was able to handle the problem?
I have looked hard and can't see the link between CCP Sharkbai and BoB, can you point me to where someone claims this is true and what they say backs it up?
Originally by: John Thorlake
First off I will never get why CCP is letting there own staff play EvE wich is the real root to all evil.
I myself am building systems for customers and I dont have to be working
in their systems to know where to look when someone reports an error.
I am not even allowed due to the sensitivity of their customer related data.
For heavens sake I built the **** in the first place i know everything and what to test.
A business system is not like a game that is as complex as EVE, this is afaik the largest client server system in the world. Massively parallel, hugely dynamic its an order of magnitude more complex than a typical commercial system.
Originally by: John Thorlake
Lets say for argument sake the Devs need to be in the game and "observe" like regular players for some strange reason I cant possibly understand.
Then why not as a free roaming camera, invisible ship or something equal.
They have built the frikkin game why not build the functionality to run maintenace the usual NEUTRAL way?
If they need to test stuff, do it on the TEST server. I thought that is why it is there.
That way no one will question if a dev takes a plunge into the database and checks for errors, joins a corp to test stuff or help players out in all imaginable situations.
Am sure they do as you say already as mentioned by their method of catching people out POS bowling, however in order to get a feel for what works and doesn't and also how something as dynamic as combat works then you simply have to DO. Personally I take comfort in the fact that CCP eats its own dog food as that is a proven method for maximising quality. I also trust them to be vigilant about not taking actions as a whole that will destroy their income from the player base.
Originally by: John Thorlake
Neutrality is essential and the ONLY way CCP can make ALL accusations and rumours go away.
It is so easy it is silly.
It does not matter if they have an internal affairs department (Inside their own company my god.). People will still think there is something rotten in CCP.
IA being inside CCP is fine, I mean we're not talking about the police or something other than a computer game. Also as I pointed out the self interest of CCP to make money is a strong motivational factor in ensuring that impartiality is the rule rather than the exception. Is it in CCPs interest to have one group of players be treated more favourable than another if the result is that this will trash their bottom line? I don't think so, do you?
Originally by: John Thorlake
My point to all this is that the question concerning the reason WHY he did help out should never have to arise.
And would never arise if CCP removed their staff from participating activly in the game itself.
Silly buggers! :)
As pointed out above I feel you're wrong about devs being in the game as I trust them to have a self interest in the whole to not show favouritism, assuming anything else is to presume that they hold their friendships in game above that of their own income or the company surviving as a whole.
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John Thorlake
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Posted - 2007.05.31 11:23:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Darcuese
Edited by: Darcuese on 31/05/2007 10:11:34
Its like PvP abilities in a way. PPL can fly better ships with better skills and still lose 1 on 1 against weaker ship of pilot with weaker skills. Why is that? Only couse of expiriance that one them have and other one dont have.
Lets use your "poor example" shall we.
And you donŠt think that was calculated and tested before they released the game?
You seriously think that they created that kind of skill ladder and then released it to the players and had to play it themselves just to understand how it would work?
If to save alot of production time that is a way yes. Turning players into testers.
But somehow I dont think that was the way this is done.
You give too much credit to the "sandbox". There are clearly defined rules. Factored, programmed, tested and documented before the game even reach the users.
Then to their surprise people do stuff to the mechanics they had not thought of. And those things get adressed/changed.
There are still no need for the Devs to be playing the game amongst the real playerbase. IMHO.
It's like saying that they do not know what they have created themselves.
Test it and play it on the test server. But do not participate in it yourselves.
It will only create bad things despite the good the intentions are. And I understand the intentions but the outcome is worse than the benefita IMHO again.
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John Thorlake
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Posted - 2007.05.31 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Roaming
Edited by: Hans Roaming on 31/05/2007 11:21:57
As pointed out above I feel you're wrong about devs being in the game as I trust them to have a self interest in the whole to not show favouritism, assuming anything else is to presume that they hold their friendships in game above...
I can understand how you see this.
And I hope more people would feel the same way you do. But clearly this is not the case here. Just read the loads and loads of post concerning this.
And I am only adressing the problem. Not putting any weight on any side of the allegations/rumours and such. I dont care who said what and when to whomever.
In the end there are more Bad publicity than good out there due to all of this.
And as I see it it is only one "official" way out of this. Besides turning more than half the playerbase around. Which can be hard to do.
I hope more people would see abit further ahead as you have.
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Eskalin
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.31 12:39:00 -
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well you all can call bob devs and what not but if you want to get out to 0.0 you will be renting from us ....be mad at your friends and alliance mates that cant get their crap organised enough to give us a fight let alone take regions back from bob so flame on r-tards
on topic ccp thanks for your celerity in the responce the fact that the smear campaign was timed as it was sucks hope your families understand and precious drinking time lost=( weak sauce
Originally by: MrTripps
combat in Jita is as slow and ugly as watching senior citizens copulate.
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Caztra Tor
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Posted - 2007.05.31 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Caztra Tor on 31/05/2007 12:48:39
Yea, Well, as long as T20 works for the company, Bob has a friend in CCP. Period. Oh, and all that is documented. Easy answer, Kill Bob and their friends. Unseat them from their region in space. That is the proof I need. I need to see them fall before I will believe CCP is all above board and honest and all that . . . because then it won't matter; because then we will be playing our game and not theirs. But that is just me.
Caztra Tor
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.31 12:50:00 -
[48]
If you want a friend in CCP attend the Fanfest '07.
If you still think, CCP is showing favorites ingame I have some ocean front property you can buy cheap...in arizona.
I think CCP should punish GS...put all their security status to -10.0 during down time...and dont tell them.
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter pirate or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box.
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Frances Ducoir
Academy of Decadence
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Posted - 2007.05.31 13:10:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Coupo
Ok heres a simple task list for everyone to carry out so you to can have Devs on your msn.
1. Get a Job
2. Save money
3. GOTO AN EVE MEET
4. MEET AND BEFRIEND A DEV, p.s. they're mature and funny guys so if you're the same they might like you back. example: see last EVE Meet EVE TV footage.
5. After you have befriended the dev, ask for his or her msn and say you wish to remain in contact because you like them and wish to build up a further relationship online. For the purposes of this tutorial it will be As good buddies only.
6. Add them to your msn, and begin chatting.
this sounds like an "adopt a dev" program :D
pay 10 bucks per month to improve a poor devs life.
(all the money will be invested into precious barley juice helping your fav dev through bad situations)
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Kaemper
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.31 13:19:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Kaemper on 31/05/2007 13:20:18
Its sad that an entire player segment (goons) would be willing to destroy the reputation of a game and a company in a vain attempt to get ahead.. one has to wonder y they dont just leave the game altogether - their so called leaders already have.. tnx for that btw. Alot can be said about BoB, but the recent distorted propaganda campaign from the goons and partially the coalition in general vs CCP goes way beyond whatever rubbish BoB has done in the past - at least they did it in a manner that didnt affect the game in general. I couldnt care less what happens to goons, but the ppl who were a part of this should rly consider what they r doing here. Maybe its time to p*ss off and let the ppl who actually enjoy playing EVE do so. Sounds like a case of "if we cant win, we'll ruin it for every1 else and ***** and moan in the process". Well you wont succeed and you'll only portray urselves as the tw*ts u are.
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DarkFenix
Caldari
Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.05.31 13:22:00 -
[51]
Poor devs, that 3 day weekend must have been the longest time in years they've had to remain sober  .
I'll adopt one so long as he's house trained and doesn't smell too bad (rules out most of them I'll bet  ).
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Imager
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 13:26:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Kaemper
Edited by: Kaemper on 31/05/2007 13:20:18
Its sad that an entire player segment (goons) would be willing to destroy the reputation of a game and a company in a vain attempt to get ahead.. one has to wonder y they dont just leave the game altogether - their so called leaders already have.. tnx for that btw. Alot can be said about BoB, but the recent distorted propaganda campaign from the goons and partially the coalition in general vs CCP goes way beyond whatever rubbish BoB has done in the past - at least they did it in a manner that didnt affect the game in general. I couldnt care less what happens to goons, but the ppl who were a part of this should rly consider what they r doing here. Maybe its time to p*ss off and let the ppl who actually enjoy playing EVE do so. Sounds like a case of "if we cant win, we'll ruin it for every1 else and ***** and moan in the process". Well you wont succeed and you'll only portray urselves as the tw*ts u are.
qft. goonies 
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.31 13:34:00 -
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Glad to see a much improved response. The over-inflated claims debunked, and a nice, solid statement from the internal affairs team that all complaints about ccp staff and volunteers are to be routed through them and the petition system. This is about as good a response gets, kids. A problematic situation occured with a bad result, so it was investigated, and the systems put in place (or the players reminded of them being in place, in this case) to prevent it happening again. Beats 19 kinds of crap out of the response to the t20 situation, which was essentially "There is no T20."
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.31 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: Elmicker on 31/05/2007 13:33:58
double, disregard
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Pvt Sammich
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 14:51:00 -
[55]
Yeah I love how it has become an open season on goons but hey we accually like it.
Quote:
Either CCP employees need to remove all BoB contacts and place them on ignore or CCP should publish the MSN contacts for all members to be able to have a direct line to the developers.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.31 15:14:00 -
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bahaha boo hoo poor goonswarm, unseat bob for us cause we cant do it ourselves
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.31 15:17:00 -
[57]
Originally by: John Thorlake
I can understand how you see this.
And I hope more people would feel the same way you do. But clearly this is not the case here. Just read the loads and loads of post concerning this.
And I am only adressing the problem. Not putting any weight on any side of the allegations/rumours and such. I dont care who said what and when to whomever.
In the end there are more Bad publicity than good out there due to all of this.
And as I see it it is only one "official" way out of this. Besides turning more than half the playerbase around. Which can be hard to do.
I hope more people would see abit further ahead as you have.
"Lots and lots of posts," eh. Yes-- posts by GoonFleet. Short on credibility, just a little.
What we see here, on either side, is the voice of the vocal minority. The forum game is rigged in that it's played only by those who care enough to post. My guess is that, if everyone who really thinks CCP favors BoB unfairly were to quit, the game would be down by maybe a few thousand players. Right now, that would be fine with me.
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Galan Amarias
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.31 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Amarria Black
Originally by: Galan Amarias
some stuff you can see near the bottom of page 1
-Galan
Not that I buy into 100% of the conspiracy fluff that's floating around ATM, but I'd like to address this little chunk of fail.
Ever read one of the nastier corporate NDAs? I've seen provisions to monitor your personal phone calls. You sign the agreement, you agree, so long as they don't directly violate your constitutional rights (assuming we're dealing with a nation governed by rule of law). Last I checked, outside dissemination of trade secrets doesn't qualify as protected speech.
You're still right, though. People are arguing both sides of a point that they will never, ever have any sort of evidence for or against.
Ahh but that's kind of the clincher eh? I work in Fraud prevention for one of the major American telecom companies. Trust me my NDA was about as toothy as you could want. Even there and even with the contract labor who should be insta-can-able a rash of lawsuits by outgoing losers has made getting rid of useless people vastly more difficult.
What constitutes a "trade secret" certainly anything that was released about the mechanical side of the universe, how their interface functions graphics, software secrets, yeah they could certainly start a row over that. But "Hey man how you been?" on MSN off duty? "Did you see that fight in X?" "Stuff blew up" How do you prove that discussion of events within a fictious universe violates an NDA?
More to the point it looks like CCP got blind sided by the need to have contractual statements like that. Bad on them but a typical bit of idealism common to non-fraud prevention/law enforcment types. I see it daily. So they have to cook up the legaliese and it has to be up to snuff for American and Netherlands legal code since they have employees here and there.
Then they can implement it. Not before and they may have to get people to sign it and employees who were hired w/o that contract could probably make a legal case that they should't have to sign it. Also it can't punish transgressions that happened before it was implemented. Double Jepordy and all.
It's a mess. They are rolling with it, but since there is no Sadam syle crusificafiuon of the prev dev no no on U-Tube some of the wich hunt folks will never be happy.
Thus, trust the devs and have fun playing the game, or don't trust them and move on. I hear WOW is hard on devs, mabey that makes the game more fun :P
-Galan
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.31 15:20:00 -
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the fact that the goonies themselves havent left yet is proof enough that they dont take their OWN allegations seriously
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.31 15:30:00 -
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The very fact that goons keep answering these threads and admit that they were at the origin of the attack on the forum just proves one thing in my opinion.
They are partly right : BoB and CCP do have common points. When goons fight them, goons lose.
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