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eleuthereus
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: eleuthereus on 31/05/2007 21:09:40
I am a Goon -- a director, no less -- about to give everyone an insider's take on:
1) life in 0.0 space;
2) the ongoing war in the South;
3) the BoB/devs/GMs "scandal"; and
4) the recent Goonswarm threadnaught against CCP that resulted in such a flurry of postings, accusations, arguments, name-calling, and all around traumas (see here and here and here).
I am posting in "General Discussion" for the benefit of everyone interested in such matters, especially empire pilots who may want to know a bit more about what it's like to live in 0.0 space as part of a large power block alliance. I am also posting this thread as a kind of cathartic purge, a way of putting behind me what has been a very long year and a half, and hopefully, move on to new adventures in Eve.
Allow me to begin by revealing the fact that I will not be in Goonswarm much longer. My roles have been deleted, my CEO has been notified, and my belongings are safe in empire. Let me further say that at this point that I am actually one of the more impartial/neutral, although by know means most knowledgeable, observers when it comes to the aforementioned issues. Why is that? There are a few reasons:
1. I have fought on both sides of this current war within a relatively short timeframe;
2. I have been in each of my alliances for such short periods of time that my loyalty/allegience has not grown so intense as to cloud my objectivity;
3. I have always prided myself on being as fair as possible -- i.e., I try hard to see where others are coming from.
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Le Bon
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Le Bon on 31/05/2007 21:10:41
ibtcatl
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Guillaume Yu
Freelance Assassins
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:13:00 -
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WOOT \o/ second in a Goon thread, and before the lock
I'm too lazy to make a sig...
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Moraguth
Amarr
Rangers
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:13:00 -
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me too.
/me gets popcorn, flamethrower, and flame-proof suit
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eleuthereus
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:13:00 -
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Section 1 - Life in 0.0 Space
ALLIANCE #1: ASCN
Time In Alliance = 10 months
I joined Celestial Horizon Corp. under the leadership of the legendary CYVOK on Feb 9, 2006. It was my first player-corp; my first alliance. I was ecstatic. I knew a lot about ASCN. Who didn't? The alliance had been around since early in the game's history. It was powerful, large, respected. I thought it'd be a great place to make great friends and have great experiences, especially in 0.0 -- a place I'd never been. I was an agent-runner in empire back then, and proud of it. I figured I'd have plenty of time to get used to the idea of going to 0.0 before I actually made the trip. I was . . . let's just say, a bit hesitant. Then BoB attacked. The Pendulum War began in Sept. 2006, and I was called "Home" to help make a defense.
The next thing I knew I was in Feythabolis, being thrust into fleet battles when I had never even been on TeamSpeak, seen a dreadnaught (or carrier), flown to a POS, or been in a "gang." It was a real eye-opener. I was actually shaking and sweating, with heart beating almost out of my chest, as I flew toward my first fleet battle. I died - fast. I died rather quickly in the next battle, too. Of course, having no real idea what I was doing, there could harldy be any other outcome. Then, one day, much to my surprise, I survived a fleet engagement, and foud myself struggling back to the POS with 20% armor, hull on fire, smoke everywhere. It was glorious. A day later, I got on my first killmail. Soon afterward I got my first final blow! Then, CYVOK unveiled the first Titan in Eve when I happened to be in the same system. I stayed there floating in space about 50km off from him until he left, just snapping screen shot after screen shot -- WOW -- what a day that was.
For weeks and weeks I fought my heart out -- never ratted a single day. Running missions became a thing of the past. I'd just log in, find a gang, and fight. I thought we'd win. I hoped we'd win.
But as fate would have it, BoB outgunned and outsmarted us, fought under some absolutely incredible FCs, and had in place some highly competent spies. It quickly went from bad to worse, especially when BoB brought out its Titan. We soon lost a key system near our capital AZN, and then another system near AZN fell. Finally, our Titan died -- and down in its flames went ASCN. I was just about to be asked to take a leadership postion, too. Darn. Oh well, too bad for me. All of us were scattered to the furthest corners of Eve. I will always remember with great fondness my days in ASCN and the players with whom I flew -- mature, kind, intelligent, clever, witty, and loyal. I only wish I could have actually spent more time relaxing in 0.0. with them. Although I wonder if that's really the point of 0.0 anyway.
ALLIANCE #2: Lotka Volterra
Time In Alliance = 9 weeks
After fleeing Feythabolis, along with just about everyone else, I found myself flying though Omist, into Tenerifis, with everything I owned in a hauler and BoB hot on my tail. I quickly asked for sanctuary with adeptus gattacus of Lotka Volterra. They were, after all, allies of ASCN. What better way to continue the fight? They said, yes, join us. So I moved into Omist, then quickly into 77s (Detorid).
I met some great guys (and gals) in LV, and hoped I'd be able to kick back with them for a long time in 0.0 -- something I'd wanted to do with ASCN, but hadn't been able to do because of BoB's invasion. I knew LV had been at war with Red Alliance for over a year, but that whole conflict seemed stale-mated. So, I figured it'd just keep going on forever. I hadn't taken Goonswarm into consideration -- my error.
(TO BE CONTINUED)
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eleuthereus
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:14:00 -
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ALLIANCE #3: Goonswarm PART ONE
Time In Alliance = 3 1/2 months
No sooner had I joined LV in December 2006, I found myself fighting endlessless everyday -- again. Then, oddly, I suddenly found myself allied with none other than Band of Brothers!!! Okay, fine. Whatever. So I fought with BoB, side by side, and was able to see them in action from their side of the frontlines. Say what you will about them cheating, about their arrogance, about their Eve-O propaganda -- blah, blah blah -- but BoB fields some of the most experienced, skilled, intelligent, and crafty pilots and FCs in Eve. And their ships are fitted with wonderous toys. Unfortunately, they couldn't help out LV enough.
Lotka was literally swarmed over by enemies that just kept coming, and coming, and coming. I rememebr one night, during the battle of JV1V, we braced ourselves to fight against a fleet of 1000 enemy ships that were on their way. 1000! Sadly, the node crashed. Most of us in LV were unable to get back in, and well, that was really the beginning of the end. JV1V fell, as did 9-9, and 77s. I hadn't even been in LV for 2 months before my second alliance was already on its way to being destroyed!! Was I cursed?? It sure felt like it. And this time, I hadn't really gotten to know very many of the guys/gals too well. Nor was I tied in that closely with communications, especially because I had some RL projects I had to get out of the way. When I stepped away from the game for only a day or two to take care of RL business, I returned to find all my worldly 0.0 possessions (ships, mods, ammo, everything) nestled in a hostile station now under the control of Goonswarm -- my corpmates were all gone. They had fled in carriers and freightors. The entire alliance, in fact, would not last much longer. What to do? Naturally, join Goonswarm.
I really had no choice but to join Goonswarm, even though I had heard a LOT of bad things about them. I thought to muself, they can't be all that bad." And I had not personally run into them before or had any dealings with them as a player. So why not give them a chance, see what they're like. I'll always give someone a chance. Besides, they were already enemies with BoB, so it would be just like being back in ASCN -- sort of. Well, not really, but I'll get to that.
The night came, finally, when I simply convo'd a random Goon in local and asked about joining. He seemed nice enough, and told me I should convo Lenny Lowcut of Ultrapolite Socialites. I did just that. Lenny in turn asked me a few questions, then requested that we talk further on Teamspeak. "Sure," I said. So we talked - and again, he seemed like a very fine, upstanding guy. He said I could join the swarm -- IF I sang for the alliance on TeamSpeak. Huh? What? Well, okay, a bit odd, but whatever. I just happen to actually be a preofessional singer, so that would be no problem. I plugged in my keyboard and sang "Let It Be." WooHoo! Bravo! They loved it. I was in, and I was known from that day forward as THE SINGING SPY. "Hey," I thought, these guys aren't so bad after all. Kinda fun-loving and light-hearted about everything. Maybe I have a home now."
Alas, it was not to be.
TO BE CONTINUED --
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eleuthereus
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: eleuthereus on 31/05/2007 21:19:50
ALLIANCE #3: Goonswarm PART TWO
Now, without being too mean-spirited or rude, allow me to give my assessment of Goonswarm -- and moderators, please, this is not trolling (if you read completely, you will see why).
To be blunt, most of the pilots in Goonswarm might best be described as unholy hybrids born via crossbreeding between the orcs in The Lord of the Rings and skinheads. Or, you can just imagine an entire alliance populated with carbon-copies of Terance & Philip from Southpark. Goons are a bunch of uncouth, savage, crass, foul-mouthed, vulgar, immature, racist-epithet-uttering ogres who can't seem to say one sentence or make a single joke without using the worst of the worst profanity (or referring to some body function, bodily fluid, or body part, then giggling like a 10-year-old). Generally speaking, they are a pretty offensive crowd of @%^!@!^&, who are not very nice.
Now, bear inmind, what I have just said is NOT trolling. It's not trolling because what I have said wouldn't even be considered insults by Goons, but rather, compliments -- get the picture? As supportive evidence, I refer to the way they describe themselves as players and individuals. Consider a few of the remarks just from this week's Goonswarm State of the Union Address, as read by Mawg Spawn, May 30, 2007 (see here). For example, Mawg plainly declared that corporately speaking, they do indeed share in common an "offensive sense of humor." He also made the following statemets, which are quite enlightening:
"We are fundamentally in this game to have fun at the expense of the people that we don't like, and that means 90% of Eve."
"We are not here to be nice. We are here to be a**holes that make the rest of the galaxy p**s themeselves when they contemplate being invaded by us. We accomplish this by being the meanest, cruelest, most sadistic group in the game."
"And we are proud of our pariah status. It is a badge of our warped honor."
"Griefing Pranks - We're jerks, we've always been jerks. When we try not to be jerks, we stop having fun. . . . We have had our most fun in this game when we have been at our cruelest. When we are nice, we get bored"
"Our focus in this game is wrecking people we don't like."
Aaaannnywho, that's Goonswarm -- plain and simple. Needless to say, not long after joining GS, I had pretty much had my fill of hearing Nig**** this and Nig*** that, Co***ucker this,********-that, and really sick of the word rape, rape, *****(as well as all possible permutations of rape). Don't get me wrong. I'm not a prude, by no means. But geez people, alright already! A male's sexual appendage, along with various holes and smells, can only be so funny so often. But I digress. The fact is -- I just never fit into Goonswarm. I am not a jerk. Not an a**hole. Not cruel. And I don't want to be around pilots who are. That's not why I come into this game. I get enough of that in RL with people I have to endure everyday. It was only a matter of time. And now that time has been fulfilled. I'm outta here. (TO BE CONTINUED)
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eleuthereus
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:16:00 -
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ALLIANCE #3: Goonswarm PART THREE
Time In Alliance = 3 1/2 months
I leave the Goons today, not only because of what I have already mentioned, but also because of their overall philosophy of game playing with which I disagree (this is not a problem with ALL Goons, only some of them, but from what I have seen, too many of them for my taste):
1. GS pilots engage in acts of piracy. I prefer an anti-pirate corp/alliance. Nothing against all of you pirates out there. It's just not what I want to be a part of. Pirating, of course, is well within game bounds and is a personal choice. And just not my choice.
2. GS pilots regularly scam noobs, trusting pilots/corps/alliances, and pubbies. I don't want to be a part of that.
Scamming, of course, like pirating, is well within game bounds and is a personal choice. And just not my choice.
However, I must also add on this issue that unbelievable fact that Goons have actually scammed noobs/pubbies seeking to join Goonswarm! The scam is to interview the pilot and tell them that there has been a problem with corp spies, theives, etc. and that in order to join goons there is a XXX million ISK collateral fee that is paid up front, which is then returned after X amount of days. I have seen this amount be as high as 400million ISK. The unsuspecting wannabe-Goon hands over the ISK, and is then told to f*** off. Ha Ha Ha. As one Goon posted on the forums: "goonfleet has never and will never recruit from pubbies, and has stated this time and time and time again, also there is a long and storied history of goons scamming pubbies looking to join goonfleet" (Telefishopolis, April 26, 2007, Post #31). The miost recent example of this that I found being guffawed at in the fourms occured in April. The chat between the pubbie and two Goonswarm members (Khefron and Dionysus Davinci) and a pilot seeking to join Goonswarm (dardwonder) was posted by Remedial on April 22, 2007 under the subject "A Great Corp Has 2 Cheaters." SO PUBBIES BEWARE - DO NOT TRY TO JOIN GOONFLEET OR GIVE THEM ANY ISK.
There was actually a time when even empire corps/alliances who wanted to join the Goonswarm Free Trade Zone were seen as potential victims of this kind of scamming. If memory serves me correctly, one corp was indeed scammed in this way. This, however, was stopped by The Mittani because it would have eventually ruined the GS plan to set up the FTZ. Oddly, The Mittani did NOT say stop scamming allies!!!! he simply said stop scamming them in this way using GS mains -- in other words, use alts and scam them other ways! I quote his post: "Don't do either [scam non-GS pilots trying to join the Free Trade Zone or the Swarm], it'd undoubtedly confuse pubbies about the FTZ. Scam them for other things that don't negatively impact our strategic interests (and thus make me want to stab you in the face)" (The Mittani, April 26, 2007, Post #18)
TO BE CONTINUED
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eleuthereus
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:17:00 -
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ALLIANCE #3: Goonswarm PART FOUR
Time In Alliance = 3 1/2 months
3. GS pilots attack noobs in high sec. The most recent action of this kind being committed by Cardian, who used his raven to smartbomb noobs in Empire's Perimeter system (.95) at a popular station, resulting in numerous ships and pods destroyed (at least 1 hauler, 8 kestrels, 11 pods). These were not war targets. These were not enemies. They were simply pilots enjoing the game in hi-sec. Destroyed in the hauler was about 100-115million ISK worth of Dysporite -- hard earned, I am sure, by the pilot. Not funny, at least not to me. It's not what I want to be a part of, unlike many other Goons who thought it was funny:
"that is amazing honestly this man is a hero" (horace friendly, May 28, 2007, Post #12)
"If at least one of these newbies decides not to convert to a paying account because of this than you have more than made up for the $15 you paid CCP for this month" (Academion, GS director, May 28, 2007, Post #13)
"oh god this is the best way of protesting CCP, bone them out of new players. then, work standing back up, do it again" (Cymoro, May 28, 2007, Post #14)
4. And finally, in close connection to the last to posts I quoted in #3 above, there has indeed been talk about trying to ruin Eve gameplay or Eve-O forums for others. This is wrong, wrong, wrong. It is akin to some idiot shooting a bunch of people in McDonalds because they are angry at corporate America. I submit the following posts from Goon forums as examples of such negative aspiration:
"The easiest way to 'fix' Eve is to ruin CCP's credibility in the industry, and totally ******* ruin the launch and first few months of their White Wolf RPG by epic degrees of****gotry and griefing, so that the only thing they have left is Eve. Eventually someone will see them as a profitable takeover target, and a company that isn't run by ******s will buy them out. The headquarters for game development will be moved to a country that isn't populated by unprofessional ice nig***s." (Dawnfiend, post #1880)
"Trolling BoB threads on eve-o is universally encouraged" (Sesfan QuLah, GS CEO, "Standing Orders 5/30/2007")
So, now I leave Goonswarm. And, unlike the times I left ASCN and LV, I am glad to go. I posted all of this information about GS so that EVE can see what kind of alliance it is. Those of you who wish to join this kind of group of players, now know where you can go to sign up. Those of you NOT wishing to join this kind of group of players, now know which alliance to avoid. I have, in other words, by these posts, to my last day in Goonswarm, been faithful to my position as RECRUITMENT DIRECTOR - fulfilling my role. I have pointed people both to, and away from, Goonswarm -- depending on what kind of person you are.
TO BE CONTINUED
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eleuthereus
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:18:00 -
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ALLIANCE #3: Goonswarm PART FIVE
Conclusions
For all of you empire pilots, 0.0 can be very, very fun. It is a dangerous place to live, but it is also filled with vast riches and adventures. And its daily grind, although harsh, can bring together pilots in a way found nowhere else in EVE -- much the same way that adversity forges friendships in RL. Life in 0.0 is extremely different than in empire -- from having to constantly monitor local, to the need for cooperation with others, to the willingness to help out when needed, to the desire to put the needs of your alliance ahead of your needs. Hmmm, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." Now who who said that? Hmm. : - )
My bottom lines from these first two posts are as follows:
ASCN = A tragic loss to Eve.
LV = I wish I could have gotten to know all of you better. You were a great bunch of guys/gals.
GOONS = No further comments.
UltraPolite Socialtes (my Goon corp) = You are all much to good for Goonswarm. Lenny, take your best pilots and leave GS for a more honorable, nicer, more mature, intelligent, level-headed, civilized alliance. You always treated me and our corpies with respect and honor. get out while you can. Goonswarm's days are numbered. They will be huddled in Scalding Pass, hated by Eve, and the forces of Eve will come to destroy you. Don't be caught there.
You will find all of the corp's BPOs I had access to, still sitting in the corp hangar where they belong, still tucked away nice and neat where I found them. See, I told you when I joined up that I wasn't a thief or a spy -- and that I never would be, not for you, not for anyone, because that was not how I played.
I want to point out, however, and this is important, that had I chosen to play my game according to the Goon philosphy -- i.e., "not be nice," play "to be a**holes," play to be "the meanest, cruelest, most sadistic" pilot I could be, play as a jerk, and be my "cruelest" -- then, my friend, you would no longer have any of your BPOs. I could have taken all of them in the true spirit of being a Goon -- an a**hole.
But instead, I leave you, and Ultrapolite Socialites, having been true to my promises. I leave with my integrity and loyalty intact.Good luck. Fly safe.
Threads to be Posted:
Section 2 (Current State of the Southern War - Why Bob Has Already Won);
Section 3 (The BoB/devs/GMs "scandal");
Section 4 (The Goonswarm Threadnaught)
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eleuthereus
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:18:00 -
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SECTION 2 - Current State of the Southern War
BOTTOM LINE on the Southern War -- It's over. Well, at least insofar as Goonswarm continuing to take space goes, and also when it comes to them holding Tenerifis, Omist, and Detorid. Goons are pulling out. They simply conquered too much space for them to maintain. They swept through 0.0 like they were . . . . BoB. But unlike BoB, they did not have the ISK, the experience, the leadership, or the advanced pilot skills/ships of general players to hold all that 0.0 space. So, now, after wrecking various empires, they are retreating back into their hole called Scalding Pass -- this, according to the GS most recent State of the Union speech (May 30, 2007).
My prediction is that Goonswarm will not be around much longer. If BoB destroyed ASCN, which had better leaders, better pilots, better discipline, far more isk, and wildly greater industrial backbone, well, the fate of Goons is fairly obvious if BoB ever said, "Time to kill GoonSwarm once and for all." It would not be difficult. GS is too disorganized, noobish, immature (on so many different levels), and undisciplined to hold together as a cohesive unit. Leadership is absolutely dismal at this point. No one knows what to do, where to go, how to proceed -- except, of course, to run back to Scadling Pass now and hunker down. ISK is short, very short at the moment in GS. The even featured a "We're Broke" thread posted last week or so, although Goons are about 80%-90% away from having enough materials/funds to build a Titan. Main CEO Remedial is gone. The Mittani, his successor, has quit. Our new CEO, or so it seems, is a fairly good FC, but a CEO? Who knows. I suppose he can't be any worse than The Mitanni, who ordered the now infamous threadnaught of this last weekend, then quit. A brilliant move. Some goons are angry. Others are just plain confused. Many of them are still just joking around and have no idea of what's really going on. And a few, to be honest, are too high or drunk to even realize they are still logged into the game.
Something happened between the week that GS took over the 9-9 and 77s area and now. Everything came to a grinding halt about 1-2 weeks after 77s fell. GS leadership seemd to simply run out of ideas and plans -- It was like, "Well, uhm, uhm, what do we do now?" GS went on a colossal rampage through the universe conquering system after system, with apparently no real plan that covered exactly how they were going to hold those systems. Ooops - big time. The GS forums quickly digressed into reveling about 1 or 2 BoB T2 ships blown up here or there at the expense of a two dozen frigates and cruisers. I kept thinking, "You guys have got to be kidding. THIS is how you're going to defeat BoB?" The war has actually been over for weeks now. And this week's GS State of the Union speech just made that official.
So, BoB, congratulations. You're basically mopping up now.
LV folks, if you're still out there, you'll prolly be getting back your systems real soon. Hold tight. It won't be long.
Threads to be Posted:
Section 3 (The BoB/devs/GMs "scandal");
Section 4 (The Goonswarm Threadnaught)
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:19:00 -
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IITMOAMP! \o/
(In in the middle of a multipost!)
Also: TL;DR.
I mean I started too, then I saw how long it already was and realised I don't care THIS much..........
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eleuthereus
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:19:00 -
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Section 3 - The BoB/devs/GMs "scandal"
Okay, I'll make these points short and sweet --
1.The main issue: It is the consensus among Eve players that: No alliance, corp, or player should receive in-game preferential treatment, expedited requests for information, or accelerated assistance with in-game problems via MSN, cellphones, email, or anyother means of direct communication with any devs/GM's/ISD members just because they enjoy friendships with such individuals. This is not an unreasonable position for Eve players to hold. Kinda simple actually. CCP should listen to their concerns.
2. And the corollary: Given the widespread mistrust of CCP due to the t20 scandal, and evidenced by the many posts in response to the GS threadnaught, it would be wise for CCP to implement and announce some new policies designed to prevent any CCP employee/volunteer from giving in-game preferential treatment, expedited requests for information, or accelerated assistance with in-game problems to any pilot, corp, or alliance via MSN, cellphones, email, or any other means of communication. Again, fairly simple.
3. A tertiary point: Any CCP employee/volunteer should be able to be friends with whomever they want to be friends with -- not only in the game, but also outside the game. And should, IMHO, be able to talk to those friends in-game whenever they want to talk to them. The problem to many players, of course, is when that in-game or out-of-game communication gives any degree of unfair advantage to a certain pilot, corp or alliance.
4. Furthermore: As has been pointed out by CCP, employees/volunteers need to play the game under a wide variety of circumstances on tranquility, in different areas of space, in different situations -- some of which can only be replicated during things like actual manufacturing of items, warfare between alliances, fleet battles, etc. Such scenarieos can only be experienced, obviously, by being in the thick of things to see what is going on. This allows not only continued improvements to gameplay, but expansion of content where needed, and the squashing of bugs. Most players probably understand and accept this, but probably just want CCP to assure them that it can/will be done without violating #1 above.
5. Finally -- After this controversy, it seems that CCP has to make some kind of an announcement, show of good faith, change in policy -- something -- to indicate to the player base that they can be trusted, and that everyone is indeed playing on a level field. I have no idea how they might do this. No one is paying me to think up a solution.
TO BE CONTINUED --
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:20:00 -
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Section 3 - The BoB/devs/GMs "scandal" - PART 2
To my mind, we still have several statement by BoB members that seem to indicate SOME Band of Brothers pilots not only enjoy friendships with CCP employees/volunteers (not wrong), but that these same Band of Brothers pilots use their friendships in-game to receive assistance, favors, help, and other perks. I submit the following three statements that suggest as much, all posted by Dianabolic, Reikoku, Chief Diplomat of Band of Brothers Alliance:
"You do realise that, in a previous witch hunt, the fact that many of us speak to the devs / gm's / employees of CCP on a regular basis as friends is already common knowledge? And you're now complaining thatw e speak to these people, who are also our friends, about stuff in-game?" (5/26/07 01:15:00 Post #335)
"We have a 'special' line (if you want to call msn that) to our FRIENDS. Even devs need friends, you know, they're not robots" (5/26/07 01:20:00 Post #347)
IN RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION: "So basically you do have a special line straight to the devs and presumably get special favors because of that?" [asked by Azerrad InExile]
"tbf guys, if you're all so offended by the fact that we've built up a relationship with the makers of this game over FOUR YEARS of playing it, perhaps you shoudl start acting your age and, instead of looking to sacrifice them for your own gains at every opportunity, engage with them to make this game what we all want it to be?"
(5/26/07 02:11:00 Post #510)
TO CCP - Clearly, these issue need to be dealt with ASAP to regain the trust of your player base. Forget about Goons for now. Time and other allinces will probably take care of them. Think about the rest of the corps/alliances that are troubled by the comments such as those uttered by Dianabolic (and BTW, dude, I hold nothing against you, personally)..
TO BoB - I know, I know, I know. Not all of you have direct contacts with devs/GM's/ISD/whoever - only a select few of you do. 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? Who knows? THEY are the ones everyone is, or rather SHOULD BE, screaming at and ticked off at. To the rest of you - keep being the finest pilots you can be. Keep your integrity, maturity, and training at the highest levels. Stand for what you know is right. To those BoB pilots who may be using their friendships to help BoB win -- you might want to reconsider such actions. I mean, really, it's not like you actually need it, mmkay? So, if you can see your way clear to it, just stop using inside channels of communiucation to CCP in order to gain an advantage -- even though, technically, it may not be cheating, using any such means of assistance in-game kinda goes against the spirit of fairplay. If you want to report a bug, or problem, or glitch, or whatever - I want to be the first to say, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. But beyond that, I think the other pilots in the game are asking you to please don't do it.
TO everyone else - Try to have fun. Now drop it and go have fun. CCP knows how you feel. If they didn't before this last weekend, they sure do now. Either they will, or they either will, or they won't do something about it. If you can't hang with that - then quit. If you can -- I'll see you in space.
Threads to be Posted:
Part 4 (The recent Goonswarm Threadnaught)
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Edited by: eleuthereus on 31/05/2007 21:21:13
Part 4 - The Goonswarm Threadnaught
I begin this final post with what I wrote in the offical thread that CCP opened regarding the charges leveled against CCP by Goonswarm (here). In Post #4227, May 27, 2007, I stated: "Do I agree with how this whole thing was handled by Goons? In all honesty, I just don't know. I can really see both sides of that debate. It was indeed an extreme action. Maybe too extreme. Perhaps far more dramatic that was needed. At the same time, many folks in GS just saw no other alternative. They truly did not. SO, they did what they felt they HAD to do to HELP the game -- not hurt it. As for me, personally, would I have done it this way? No. That's why I didn't participate in the threadnaught. I have only posted in this thread. And now I have said all I have to say."
Alow me to elaborate.
First, it is true that general speaking, most of the Goons, if not all of them, did actually believe that something nefarious had gone on with Sharkbait -- and they did actually believe that launching a threadnaught would help them, as well as the game. Believe me, or don't believe me. Whatever. That's the impression I got from most rank-n-file Goons.
Second, I saw NOTHING in the GS forum posts leading up to the threadnaught that indicated to me that there was some deliberate, planned, coordinated-with-the-holidays kind of assault planned as a way of bringing down CCP, EVE, or the Eve-O forums. This does not mean that no such plan was hatched by leadership -- i.e., the ones who gave the order, specifically, The Mittani. However, that kind of plot did not come through on the forums, in chats, or personal messages I received. And again, I couldn't see any rank-n-file Goons viewing the threadnaught as anything other than "hey, this will get CCP's attention. They're gonna HAVE to listen to our fears now." Also, the threadnaught was only released after The Mittani posted a fairly sedate thread on Eve-O asking about the perceived problems. It was quickly deleted (the worst thing that could have been done). Everyone saw one recourse as a response -- threadnaught. At the same time, however, I must say that the issues raised by GS should have DEFINITELY been persued for much longer through various other channels before going into siege mode -- in my opinion.
Third, I am not sure if anyone could have foreseen the ferocity of response from Goons when ordered to post on Eve-O. I certainly didn't. I mean, I thought maybe, you know, a dozen or so posters, maybe a few more, might post a couple times to a few different areas. But OMG! It shut down the Eve-O forums. That surprised me. And I am not sure that shutting down Eve-O was actually what the majority of Goons were after. So, I don't think that particular act -- threadnaught -- was designed to intentionally do anything malicious from what I saw/heard.
And now, I am done. I am sure that most of you are glad of that -- I am, too. I am off to run missions, buy, sell, salvage, and trade. I am worn out. The drama over this last weekend was the last straw. I am heading back to empire to have some fun again. Run some missions. Play in COSMOS. Maybe make a ship or two. Perhaps one day, join another corp/alliance. For now, though, I am on combat leave.
TO BE CONTINUED ---
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TrevorReznik
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:21:00 -
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 Originally by: eleuthereus
A male's sexual appendage ... can only be so funny so often.
You take that back! It's always funny.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:23:00 -
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Part 4 - The Goonswarm Threadnaught - LAST
I conclude with something I posted a few days ago when this whole mess started: "To all you BoB members who have been playing your guts out honestly, fighting hard with integrity, following orders, honing your skills, and becoming uber T2 pilots in the way that fairplay in this game offers -- I have nothing but respect to you and your accomplishments. And I am sure it's probably MOST of you in BOB. At least, I am hoping it is. Keep it up. I really have NOTHING against BOB per se. I have said this before. I am simply against cheaters and and disheartened by how cheating gives advantages to one alliance, while others are denied those same advantages. Any group that wins anything by those means receives, IMHO, a hollow victory" (Post #4227, May 27, 2007).
And again, I quote myself, "I have notihng against BOB as an alliance per se. Heck, I fought with you while I was in LV -- AGAINST Goons. I've even had several chats with Blacklight, who I very much enjoyed speaking with, and who I actually like quite a bit from what I know about him and my interaction with him. So, to me, at least, this is all JUST about fair play -- period. FOR ALL OF US -- you included. I would also add that BNC is actually my favorite BOB corp. From what I have seen, you are a great bunch of guys and I have often found myslef agreeing with much of what you from BNC have had to say. And I certainly respect Blacklight. If said to me, which BOB would you ever want to be part of, it would have to be BNC. Sooo, clearly, I have nothing against you, or BNC, or BOB per se. It's just all about getting to what is ture and having a balanced playing field for all of us to enjoy.
I have tried to be fair, impartial, honest, loyal, truthful, kind, firm, balanced to all sides. Flame me if you must. But as Winston Churchill said, "The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is."
END/OUT
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Valrandir
Gallente
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:24:00 -
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Reserved
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This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware
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Neveren
Caldari
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:26:00 -
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Hella long story sir!
STC recruiting!
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:27:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Neveren
Hella long story sir!
yeah, a year and a half of my life in Eve.
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Prism Project Technologies
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:27:00 -
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tl;dr
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Killdren
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:27:00 -
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hey man lighten up
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Itzena
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:28:00 -
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calm down |
Ryle
Caldari
Righteous-Indignation
Ghosts Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:28:00 -
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Well yeah you got it about right, and most of those are reasons I like GoonSwarm.
Proud to be a SA Goon, even if I don't play Eve with them (and often shoot at them).
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Menkaure
Amarr
Vanitas Corp.
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Menkaure on 31/05/2007 21:27:41
Bloody hell, long post.
Just finished reading it.... and to everyone sticking tl;dr in here, I'd suggest going back and going over it properly!
Excellent post...
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Haloskeeter
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:30:00 -
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Donges.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:32:00 -
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Short form: eleuthereus didn't fit into Goonswarm. He doesn't like their sense of humor, or their policies. He also has a lot of time on his hands.
He makes no mention of the hundreds upon hundreds of people who like being in GS just fine.
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Haloskeeter
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:32:00 -
[28]
Edited by: Haloskeeter on 31/05/2007 21:31:42
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
Short form: eleuthereus didn't fit into Goonswarm. He doesn't like their sense of humor, or their policies. He also has a lot of time on his hands.
He makes no mention of the thousands upon thousands of people who like being in GS just fine.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:33:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Ryle
Well yeah you got it about right, and most of those are reasons I like GoonSwarm. Proud to be a SA Goon, even if I don't play Eve with them (and often shoot at them).
Indeed, as I said, this was my ultimate way of fulfilling my role as Recruitment Director as my last act. Direct people either to, or away from, GS -- depending on what kind of player they are. Also, to let Eve know about GS from the inside, using documentation. I hope it helps everyone.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:33:00 -
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Props to you for leaving.
I hold ties to the goons off of Eve, and I always defended them. I thought they would be a good addition to this game. I -thought- that despite their superficial attitudes, that they would make some good decisions and keep things clean. I don't know how or why I thought that.
Obviously they don't care about you leaving, or what any of us think... But they also obviously have failed to hold their space and can't do much other than meta game.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: eleuthereus on 31/05/2007 21:34:03
Edited by: eleuthereus on 31/05/2007 21:33:43
Edited by: eleuthereus on 31/05/2007 21:33:05
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
Short form: eleuthereus didn't fit into Goonswarm. He doesn't like their sense of humor, or their policies. He also has a lot of time on his hands. He makes no mention of the hundreds upon hundreds of people who like being in GS just fine.
I didn't say the guys in GS don't like being in GS, that's obvious, or else, like me, they would quit. But for you - There are hundreds upon hundreds (thousands upon thousands) of people who like being in GS just fine.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Haloskeeter
Edited by: Haloskeeter on 31/05/2007 21:31:42
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
Short form: eleuthereus didn't fit into Goonswarm. He doesn't like their sense of humor, or their policies. He also has a lot of time on his hands.
He makes no mention of the thousands upon thousands of people who like being in GS just fine.
fixt
I was going to say thousands, but I cba to check your current numbers. A cubic buttload, to be sure.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Sanctuary
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:35:00 -
[33]
Goodness. Very interesting and thanks for that.
I wonder how this will play out?
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Haloskeeter
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:35:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Frug
Props to you for leaving.
I hold ties to the goons off of Eve, and I always defended them. I thought they would be a good addition to this game. I -thought- that despite their superficial attitudes, that they would make some good decisions and keep things clean. I don't know how or why I thought that.
Obviously they don't care about you leaving, or what any of us think... But they also obviously have failed to hold their space and can't do much other than meta game.
hey man, be nice dont be insultin' mah peeps bro
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acompton
Gallente
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:36:00 -
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Seems like a rational well thought out post.
It also seems unlikely that they won't follow it up with ad hominem attacks on you.
Good luck on your journey.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:36:00 -
[36]
10/10 This was good stuff. I think the best post I have read about this topic so far.
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Stargate Jita
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:37:00 -
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/respect to the op
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Haloskeeter
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:38:00 -
[38]
Originally by: acompton
Seems like a rational well thought out post.
It also seems unlikely that they won't follow it up with ad hominem attacks on you.
Good luck on your journey.
Honestly, goons don't care about it. It's his choice to leave, if these *******s want to make a stink about it, more power to 'em.
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coracao ardente
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
Props to you for leaving.
I hold ties to the goons off of Eve, and I always defended them. I thought they would be a good addition to this game. I -thought- that despite their superficial attitudes, that they would make some good decisions and keep things clean. I don't know how or why I thought that.
Obviously they don't care about you leaving, or what any of us think... But they also obviously have failed to hold their space and can't do much other than meta game.
Same.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:39:00 -
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goons are getting awefully vocal for a group that doesn't care 
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
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The Pointless
Gallente
Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme
goons are getting awefully vocal for a group that doesn't care
Ditto that!
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Haloskeeter
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:41:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
goons are getting awefully vocal for a group that doesn't care
MY INTERNET HOMIES
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Tetsujin
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:43:00 -
[43]
too long; didn't read
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 31/05/2007 21:42:36
Originally by: The Pointless
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
goons are getting awefully vocal for a group that doesn't care
Ditto that!
Its seriously time you kept your nose out of things mate - Its undignified
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:44:00 -
[45]
Interesting, informative, a fair bit of storey mixed in, and 11 posts long... never thought i'd see that in general discussion .
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Aindrias
Amarr
Fomus-Amarr Industrial
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:44:00 -
[46]
In the words of Randy Jackson...
"Wooooooooooooooow"
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neutralizer
Caldari
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:45:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Menkaure
Edited by: Menkaure on 31/05/2007 21:27:41
Bloody hell, long post.
Just finished reading it.... and to everyone sticking tl;dr in here, I'd suggest going back and going over it properly!
Excellent post...
Agreed, really shed light on what the goons really were like from the inside.
Thanks OP.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:46:00 -
[48]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 31/05/2007 21:46:52
AND LET ME BE CLEAR -- I am the Recruitment Director of LOVEU (Ultrapolite Socialites, a GS corp). I am not, nor did I intend to imply that I am/was a Director of the entire Alliance.
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Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:50:00 -
[49]
nice and fairly epic post.
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bystander
Lightning Fish
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: bystander on 31/05/2007 21:50:23
It does sound like you're more a BoB kind of person than a Goonie Cultural Jammer kind of person.
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Edited by: slothe on 31/05/2007 21:51:17
but but but
read this in context with other recent posts and the only logical conclusion is...
BoB = the good guys (the hobbits) and the goons = the bad guys (the trolls etc)
Say it aint so       
[excellent post btw]
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:52:00 -
[52]
Goons were good to you and you gave us a weepy wall of text in return, thanks for this.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:52:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Haloskeeter
hey man, be nice dont be insultin' mah peeps bro
Your peeps should stick to messing with games that deserve it and have got to start thinking for yourselves more.
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ishkabibble
Gallente
Black Avatar
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:52:00 -
[54]
Wow, just wow.
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Itzena
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:53:00 -
[55]
Originally by: slothe
but but but
read this in context with other recent posts and the only logical conclusion is...
BoB = the good guys (the hobbits) and the goons = the bad guts (the trolls etc)
Say it aint so
[excellent post btw]
No, you've gotten it wrong: BoB = the bad guys, Goons = the worse guys.
But you already know that, being a BoB pet. 
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Freelance Assassins
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:53:00 -
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Good luck to you sir, i'm sure you will find better places to fly that aren't defiled by the Goons. Every Goon that engages me in small talk in local I make sure they know where to put the sand they can go and pound. And that goes for Remedial as well.
Yeah sig would be here.
Ah heck with it Bree time.
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Academion
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:54:00 -
[57]
haha yeah you pwned those scrubs eleuthereus
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:54:00 -
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Very good read.
Good post(s).
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Machine Delta
Gamma Haulers Against Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:54:00 -
[59]
He's right, we suck.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:55:00 -
[60]
mods please change the thread title to "GOONSWARM: THE NOVEL" tia
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GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: eleuthereus
So, now I leave Goonswarm. And, unlike the times I left ASCN and LV, I am glad to go.
Looks like you and the rest of Goonswarm finally have something in common.
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Kiih
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:55:00 -
[62]
in every post of yours (and there's too goddamn many of them) you seem to do everything you can in attempt to make yourself look more important than you are.
that doesn't exactly work well when it comes to keeping friends in your numerous ex alliances now does it?
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Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 31/05/2007 21:56:28
Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 31/05/2007 21:56:13
That's a lot of ******* words. I'm not reading that.
Originally by: slothe
BoB = the good guys (the hobbits) and the goons = the bad guys (the trolls etc)
God I hope so.
Anyway, as a wise man once said: "You can take the pubbie out of the ****got but you can't take the ****got out of the pubbie."
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Machine Delta
Gamma Haulers Against Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Guillaume Yu
Good luck to you sir, i'm sure you will find better places to fly that aren't defiled by the Goons. Every Goon that engages me in small talk in local I make sure they know where to put the sand they can go and pound. And that goes for Remedial as well.
Oh hey you guy, I've been waiting for you to show up in local. I've wanted to talk to you for a long time. When's a good time to convo you?
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Unholy Preacher
Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:56:00 -
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Good post, well thought out and clear. Many issues that affect eve are summarized well in these posts. And yes i remember back in the day of ASCN flying with ye Eleuthereus, were good times.
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GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:56:00 -
[66]
YOU CANNOT WIN A DEFENSIVE WAR - Kurt Cobain
HOTDROP - Sun Tzu
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GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:56:00 -
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This thread would be much better if you had sang these posts and given us the mp3.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:58:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Goons were good to you and you gave us a weepy wall of text in return, thanks for this.
The Goons did take me in, at the risk of me being a spy. I appreciated that. But I was not, nor could I have ever become, a true Goon -- as the identity of a Goon was defiend very well last night by Mawg. In his own words: "jerks," "not nice" "a pariah," "cruel," "sadistic," "a**holes."
If I lived up to that way of playing, Ultrapolite Socialites would now have no more BPOs, I had access to all of them (dozens of them, some very nice), as well as their corp wallet, me being a director. I left it all where it belonged. I was not a GOON -- a good thing for Ultrapolite Socialites.
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Machine Delta
Gamma Haulers Against Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:59:00 -
[69]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Goons were good to you and you gave us a weepy wall of text in return, thanks for this.
The Goons did take me in, at the risk of me being a spy. I appreciated that. But I was not, nor could I have ever become, a true Goon -- as the identity of a Goon was defiend very well last night by Mawg. In his own words: "jerks," "not nice" "a pariah," "cruel," "sadistic," "a**holes."
If I lived up to that way of playing, Ultrapolite Socialites would now have no more BPOs, I had access to all of them (dozens of them, some very nice), as well as their corp wallet, me being a director. I left it all where it belonged. I was not a GOON -- a good thing for Ultrapolite Socialites.
Sorry you didn't have the balls to go out like a champ.
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:59:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Frug
Props to you for leaving.
I hold ties to the goons off of Eve, and I always defended them. I thought they would be a good addition to this game. I -thought- that despite their superficial attitudes, that they would make some good decisions and keep things clean. I don't know how or why I thought that.
Obviously they don't care about you leaving, or what any of us think... But they also obviously have failed to hold their space and can't do much other than meta game.
AGREED
I am glad for ONE, though, that at least ONE PERSON realized how worthless and shameless GOONS REALLY ARE!
THEY MADE FUN OF THE DEATH OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING FFS!
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Laustin Spayce
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:00:00 -
[71]
That entire wall of text. I read it all, and I have to say. With what you said, I have never been as proud as I am now to be a goon. :patriot:
fofofofofofofofofofofofofofofofofofofo!
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:00:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Nimdok
This thread would be much better if you had sang these posts and given us the mp3.
Quoted because it's not too late to redeem this thread.
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Kiih
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:01:00 -
[73]
Originally by: eleuthereus
But I was not, nor could I have ever become, a true Goon
that's quite accurate as goon doesn't mean a member of goonswarm or even goonfleet
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Dyfed
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:01:00 -
[74]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Main CEO Remedial is gone. The Mittani, his successor, has quit. Our new CEO, or so it seems, is a fairly good FC, but a CEO? Who knows. I suppose he can't be any worse than The Mitanni, who ordered the now infamous threadnaught of this last weekend, then quit. A brilliant move.
Now now, Nate Hammertown is an excellent FC, but he is surely even a better CEO. I mean come on, it's Nate Hammertown for god's sake.
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Sochin
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:01:00 -
[75]
Very nice, well thought out post(s).
My only comment would be that I think people misinterpreted Dianabolic's comments. He readily admitted that some BoB members were friendly with developers, because he doesn't see anything wrong with that. He did not admit to using these contacts to gain any sort of advantage.
Regardless, this forum needs more levelheaded posters like you, and less hysterical tinfoil type stuff.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Nikos Iscariot
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:02:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Laustin Spayce
fofofofofofofofofofofofofofofofofofofo!
Jesus christ, stop! Surely you know that those two forbidden letters will cause retroactive lag to everyone but goonswarm members.
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Lsf XXi
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:02:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Lsf XXi on 31/05/2007 22:04:24
If BoB destroyed ASCN, which had better leaders, better pilots, better discipline, far more isk, and wildly greater industrial backbone, well, the fate of Goons is fairly obvious
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MMMMOOOONSTER TROLL!
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Itzena
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:02:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Nikos Iscariot
Originally by: Laustin Spayce
fofofofofofofofofofofofofofofofofofofo!
Jesus christ, stop! Surely you know that those two forbidden letters will cause retroactive lag to everyone but goonswarm members.
This.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:03:00 -
[79]
Interesting read. No overtones of conspiracy, and very human.
Rational take on the MSN issue (similar to what I've suggested myself, if not identical)
As for goons, mostly similar to what I've heard elsewhere, with a few exception, but no reason to debate those here (would be seen as goon trashing, and I try in limit that to goon threads trashing bob)
Over all an informative post, thank you.
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Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:03:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Sochin
My only comment would be that I think people misinterpreted Dianabolic's comments. He readily admitted that some BoB members were friendly with developers, because he doesn't see anything wrong with that. He did not admit to using these contacts to gain any sort of advantage.
Jesus Christ.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:04:00 -
[81]
If some nobber told me to 'sing a song' for entrance to a corp - I would join an alliance dedicated to bringing down Ebil alliances - make their life hell in empire. Dec BoB - Coincidentaly suddenly get Nerfed after 6 months with no explanation - Then remain bitter for the forseeable future
SKUNK
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:04:00 -
[82]
You're not allowed to leave until you sing on teamspeak 
Also, donges.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:04:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 31/05/2007 22:03:36
changed my mind
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:04:00 -
[84]
Edited by: DarkMatter on 31/05/2007 22:03:27
Very good read.
But who honestly didn't know GS was full of aholes???
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Vitaki
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:05:00 -
[85]
You misinterpret goon humor. It's so meta that people completely miss that fact. Using a ton of foul and racist language is in actuality poking fun at people who find that offensive. Why should you be offended by black or Jewish people using their own racist language at themselves. Or other people using it against them, when it is all in good humor with no real bite.
The hatred that arises aimed at goons for using this language when it really carries no real weight (arguing on the Internet etc.) is hilarious. As is the outrage that people can feel because of it. If you just roll with the punches you find that there is nothing of substance when a stranger is yelling at you over the internet, and especially visa versa.
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Etien Aldragoran
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:05:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
goons are getting awefully vocal for a group that doesn't care
Quite the opposite in fact, we've removed the eve-o forum ban that was in effect. Hope you like to drown in ****, because given what the GF forums look like, the brown tide is rising here, and I approve.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:06:00 -
[87]
Oh my, the thread is being swarmed by goons to try to get it locked!
Who ever thought?
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Dianabollox
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:06:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll
Originally by: Sochin
My only comment would be that I think people misinterpreted Dianabolic's comments. He readily admitted that some BoB members were friendly with developers, because he doesn't see anything wrong with that. He did not admit to using these contacts to gain any sort of advantage.
Jesus Christ.
What wrong with that post?
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VCBEE 2023
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:06:00 -
[89]
Hey Euth, first, let me say thanks for the recruitment propaganda.
Second, I have to say that during your time in the swarm I did not get the chance to know you better. I'm pleased to see that not doing so was clearly the best usage of my time. I can only hope that the next alliance you join suffers an inglorious death just like the first two you were inflicted upon.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:06:00 -
[90]
right, cause everyone takes goons so seriously
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
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Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:06:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Oh my, the thread is being swarmed by goons to try to get it locked!
Who ever thought?
You should go pray that it stays open. The Lord Jesus Christ will help us out here.
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Stradiot
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:07:00 -
[92]
Dear Respectable Sirs and Madams of the splendiferous Eve Universe,
It has come to my attention after some considerable time fraternizing with the player entity known as Goonswarm that fundamental societal differences betwixt they and I has doomed our relationship together; while I am a cultured adult who extends his honorable conduct to the lawless reaches of this internet spaceship video game, the unfortunate souls who have let their morals slip to the darkside have surely offended the one true God and also Jesus. In conclusion buttes; furthermore,
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:07:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Sochin
Very nice, well thought out post(s).
My only comment would be that I think people misinterpreted Dianabolic's comments. He readily admitted that some BoB members were friendly with developers, because he doesn't see anything wrong with that. He did not admit to using these contacts to gain any sort of advantage.
Regardless, this forum needs more levelheaded posters like you, and less hysterical tinfoil type stuff.
AGREED
DIana even SAID that it was mostly used to fix bugs!
Like bugged 10/10s in BoB space for example!
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Nikos Iscariot
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:07:00 -
[94]
Originally by: VCBEE 2023
Hey Euth, first, let me say thanks for the recruitment propaganda.
Second, I have to say that during your time in the swarm I did not get the chance to know you better. I'm pleased to see that not doing so was clearly the best usage of my time. I can only hope that the next alliance you join suffers an inglorious death just like the first two you were inflicted upon.
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More like first three, am i rite?
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cal nereus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:07:00 -
[95]
Edited by: cal nereus on 31/05/2007 22:06:59
Edited by: cal nereus on 31/05/2007 22:06:45
You're right, Goons would take comments like "savage" and "racist" as compliments. I know a Goon IRL. He's... annoying to say the least, but very intelligent (hard to believe, but true). He annoys others intentionally, with full knowledge of the consequences. Much of what most of the Goons do to gain their hated reputation in EVE is totally intentional, and they throw respect out the window in exchange for what is fun to them: being a nuisance and having a ball messing with others. Goonswarm is like an alliance of 3,000 griefers and maybe 500+ others. I guess the OP is either one of those 500+ others, or he's one of the 3,000 in which he truly IS loyal to Goonswarm and this is just another attempt at confusing us in a grand scheme of EVE-wide griefing. In which case: awesome, dude. :D You totally got me.
I <3 Goons!
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:08:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Lsf on 31/05/2007 22:07:31
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Lsf XXi
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:08:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Oh my, the thread is being swarmed by goons to try to get it locked!
Who ever thought?
Yah....That.
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nicnivin
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:08:00 -
[98]
Edited by: nicnivin on 31/05/2007 22:08:26
tl;dr: Wait... When were you a director exactly?
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Pattern Clarc
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:09:00 -
[99]
I feel like joining bob after reading that.
Proves what we all suspected though tbh.
much luck
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Valdis Corick
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:09:00 -
[100]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Goon was defiend very well last night by Mawg. In his own words: "jerks," "not nice" "a pariah," "cruel," "sadistic," "a**holes."
I thought that was a speech written beforehand that Mawg just read because he has an awesome voice. Mawg would never use words like that by himself!
I suspect Nate Hammertown. He's a damn good CEO but sometimes that man goes too far!
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General Brusilov
Magellanic Itg
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:09:00 -
[101]
The hell were you a director of?
You mean a director in some crappy pubbie filled corp that we haven't kicked out solely because we like Lenny Lowcut?
Have fun roleplaying or whatever it is you pubbies do when you're not crying about***** jokes.
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Scavok
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:09:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Scavok on 31/05/2007 22:08:31
Some pubbies assimilate, some pubbies go **** goons. I always liked you though.
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Oh my, the thread is being swarmed by goons to try to get it locked!
Who ever thought?
Welcome to the new CAOD 
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:09:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Oh my, the thread is being swarmed by goons to try to get it locked!
Who ever thought?
If we were trying to get this locked you would be drowning in tall****.jpg by now, we just came to say goodbye to our dear friend eleutherius.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:09:00 -
[104]
Longest post that's been worth to read, ever.
Delictum 23216 Official forums |
deadtear
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:10:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Oh my, the thread is being swarmed by goons to try to get it locked!
Who ever thought?
Who ever thought that you'd keep posting stupid crap all the time?
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:10:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Sir Lolle
Originally by: Sochin
Very nice, well thought out post(s).
My only comment would be that I think people misinterpreted Dianabolic's comments. He readily admitted that some BoB members were friendly with developers, because he doesn't see anything wrong with that. He did not admit to using these contacts to gain any sort of advantage.
Regardless, this forum needs more levelheaded posters like you, and less hysterical tinfoil type stuff.
AGREED
DIana even SAID that it was mostly used to fix bugs!
Like bugged 10/10s in BoB space for example!
Hey, Sir Lolle - I need an invite into your corp.
Get onto MSN, k?
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:11:00 -
[107]
Quote:
You're right, Goons would take comments like "savage" and "racist" as compliments. I know a Goon IRL. He's... annoying to say the least, but very intelligent (hard to believe, but true). He annoys others intentionally, with full knowledge of the consequences. Much of what most of the Goons do to gain their hated reputation in EVE is totally intentional, and they throw respect out the window in exchange for what is fun to them: being a nuisance and having a ball messing with others. Goonswarm is like an alliance of 3,000 griefers and maybe 500+ others. I guess the OP is either one of those 500+ others, or he's one of the 3,000 in which he truly IS loyal to Goonswarm and this is just another attempt at confusing us in a grand scheme of EVE-wide griefing. In which case: awesome, dude. :D You totally got me.
Sounds like some ppl I know, the ones with no real lives... They get beat up a lot, and don't get to have sex much, if at all... Does not mean they should get to ruin a game...
Building the homestead
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:12:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Oh my, the thread is being swarmed by goons to try to get it locked!
Who ever thought?
And you need to keep your nose out to - Its not dignified
SKUNK
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Bratu Alteis
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:12:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Haloskeeter
Donges.
Buttes.
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deadtear
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:13:00 -
[110]
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
You're right, Goons would take comments like "savage" and "racist" as compliments. I know a Goon IRL. He's... annoying to say the least, but very intelligent (hard to believe, but true). He annoys others intentionally, with full knowledge of the consequences. Much of what most of the Goons do to gain their hated reputation in EVE is totally intentional, and they throw respect out the window in exchange for what is fun to them: being a nuisance and having a ball messing with others. Goonswarm is like an alliance of 3,000 griefers and maybe 500+ others. I guess the OP is either one of those 500+ others, or he's one of the 3,000 in which he truly IS loyal to Goonswarm and this is just another attempt at confusing us in a grand scheme of EVE-wide griefing. In which case: awesome, dude. :D You totally got me.
Sounds like some ppl I know, the ones with no real lives... They get beat up a lot, and don't get to have sex much, if at all... Does not mean they should get to ruin a game...
Projecting like that isnt healthy you know.
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nicnivin
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:13:00 -
[111]
No, really, you were never a Goon Director. GTFO
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Innominate
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:13:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Innominate on 31/05/2007 22:12:51
Edited by: Innominate on 31/05/2007 22:12:28
eleuthereus, you're a ******** pubbie who never "got" goons. You're still pretty damn :shobon: though.
http://www.innomi.com/singingspy.mp3
Just sayin'.
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Machine Delta
Gamma Haulers Against Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:13:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Oh my, the thread is being swarmed by goons to try to get it locked!
Who ever thought?
Hahaha.
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Stradiot
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:13:00 -
[114]
Originally by: cal nereus
Edited by: cal nereus on 31/05/2007 22:06:59
Edited by: cal nereus on 31/05/2007 22:06:45
You're right, Goons would take comments like "savage" and "racist" as compliments. I know a Goon IRL. He's... annoying to say the least, but very intelligent (hard to believe, but true). He annoys others intentionally, with full knowledge of the consequences. Much of what most of the Goons do to gain their hated reputation in EVE is totally intentional, and they throw respect out the window in exchange for what is fun to them: being a nuisance and having a ball messing with others. Goonswarm is like an alliance of 3,000 griefers and maybe 500+ others. I guess the OP is either one of those 500+ others, or he's one of the 3,000 in which he truly IS loyal to Goonswarm and this is just another attempt at confusing us in a grand scheme of EVE-wide griefing. In which case: awesome, dude. :D You totally got me.
I <3 Goons!
We of the Goonswarm community are elitist intellectuals that have carefully woven our intricate internet pseudo-personas in order to offend the common sensibilities of the highly respectable average Eve player. We do so to highlight their own narrowminded and genuinely hateful or xenophobic tendencies. Furthermore,
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Myk Taison
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:13:00 -
[115]
too long didn't read posting anyway
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Franky Mouse
DarkSide Industries
Dark Wolf Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:14:00 -
[116]
I too was a former Goonswarm director, and would like to share my insights. 'Round the swarm's parts, there's three kinds of people. Goons, friends of goons, and f****ts.
Now it's real obvious who's a goon, and it's real easy to make friends with 'em cause they're so trusting and naive. ****, you get friendly with the goons and they'll not only invite you to dinner, but they'll even let you camp up in the hayloft and maybe even **** their sister. Or show you pictures of their sister fingering another chick.
Once you get used to it, life amongst the goons is downright idyllic. You get lots of money without hardly trying and there's always some hootin' an' hollerin' excitement a-goin' on. You might even get yerself one o' them-thar spacestations 't look after, if you can keep it.
But don't let them catch you being a f****t. Ain't nothing those goons hate more than f****try from someone who ain't a goon like they is. And once they catch a whiff of pubbie f****t on ya, well boy, you might as well just pack your **** and head for empire because a mob of goons will drag ass all over 0.0 just to ruin your day. And goons don't never get over a grudge.
In fact, it seems that lots of times the goons will make friends just secretly hoping that one day that friend will turn out to be a f****t after all, just so they have more people for their endless feudin' and fightin'.
It's just their way, ain't no understandin' it.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:14:00 -
[117]
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
You're right, Goons would take comments like "savage" and "racist" as compliments. I know a Goon IRL. He's... annoying to say the least, but very intelligent (hard to believe, but true). He annoys others intentionally, with full knowledge of the consequences. Much of what most of the Goons do to gain their hated reputation in EVE is totally intentional, and they throw respect out the window in exchange for what is fun to them: being a nuisance and having a ball messing with others. Goonswarm is like an alliance of 3,000 griefers and maybe 500+ others. I guess the OP is either one of those 500+ others, or he's one of the 3,000 in which he truly IS loyal to Goonswarm and this is just another attempt at confusing us in a grand scheme of EVE-wide griefing. In which case: awesome, dude. :D You totally got me.
Sounds like some ppl I know, the ones with no real lives... They get beat up a lot, and don't get to have sex much, if at all... Does not mean they should get to ruin a game...
This is absolutely true, were I sexually satisfied I would be mining Scordite in Yulai.
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Itzena
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:14:00 -
[118]
If it was really being swarmed, CCP would have killed the forums and blamed it on us by now.
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:15:00 -
[119]
Originally by: deadtear
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
You're right, Goons would take comments like "savage" and "racist" as compliments. I know a Goon IRL. He's... annoying to say the least, but very intelligent (hard to believe, but true). He annoys others intentionally, with full knowledge of the consequences. Much of what most of the Goons do to gain their hated reputation in EVE is totally intentional, and they throw respect out the window in exchange for what is fun to them: being a nuisance and having a ball messing with others. Goonswarm is like an alliance of 3,000 griefers and maybe 500+ others. I guess the OP is either one of those 500+ others, or he's one of the 3,000 in which he truly IS loyal to Goonswarm and this is just another attempt at confusing us in a grand scheme of EVE-wide griefing. In which case: awesome, dude. :D You totally got me.
Sounds like some ppl I know, the ones with no real lives... They get beat up a lot, and don't get to have sex much, if at all... Does not mean they should get to ruin a game...
Projecting like that isnt healthy you know.
Not projecting, just find the description of his GS friend pretty uncanny...
Building the homestead
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deadtear
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:16:00 -
[120]
Originally by: DarkMatter
Originally by: deadtear
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
You're right, Goons would take comments like "savage" and "racist" as compliments. I know a Goon IRL. He's... annoying to say the least, but very intelligent (hard to believe, but true). He annoys others intentionally, with full knowledge of the consequences. Much of what most of the Goons do to gain their hated reputation in EVE is totally intentional, and they throw respect out the window in exchange for what is fun to them: being a nuisance and having a ball messing with others. Goonswarm is like an alliance of 3,000 griefers and maybe 500+ others. I guess the OP is either one of those 500+ others, or he's one of the 3,000 in which he truly IS loyal to Goonswarm and this is just another attempt at confusing us in a grand scheme of EVE-wide griefing. In which case: awesome, dude. :D You totally got me.
Sounds like some ppl I know, the ones with no real lives... They get beat up a lot, and don't get to have sex much, if at all... Does not mean they should get to ruin a game...
Projecting like that isnt healthy you know.
Not projecting, just find the description of his GS friend pretty uncanny...
Right, you look in the mirror and bam thats what you see.
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: squidgee on 31/05/2007 22:19:00
FYI he isn't a director, he's a spy we let into GS because he sang to us on TS. And yes, we knew he was a spy. But he sang so pretty.
Also pretty much everything in there is true except for us trying to bring down CCP, and being allowed to scam allies. But yea we do generally enjoy making pubbies' lives miserable.
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Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:17:00 -
[122]
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
You're right, Goons would take comments like "savage" and "racist" as compliments. I know a Goon IRL. He's... annoying to say the least, but very intelligent (hard to believe, but true). He annoys others intentionally, with full knowledge of the consequences. Much of what most of the Goons do to gain their hated reputation in EVE is totally intentional, and they throw respect out the window in exchange for what is fun to them: being a nuisance and having a ball messing with others. Goonswarm is like an alliance of 3,000 griefers and maybe 500+ others. I guess the OP is either one of those 500+ others, or he's one of the 3,000 in which he truly IS loyal to Goonswarm and this is just another attempt at confusing us in a grand scheme of EVE-wide griefing. In which case: awesome, dude. :D You totally got me.
Sounds like some ppl I know, the ones with no real lives... They get beat up a lot, and don't get to have sex much, if at all... Does not mean they should get to ruin a game...
I don't know if you realize it, but you play a MMORPG.
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Arl
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:17:00 -
[123]
Let's talk about movie deals.
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Machine Delta
Gamma Haulers Against Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:17:00 -
[124]
Originally by: DarkMatter
Edited by: DarkMatter on 31/05/2007 22:14:52
Originally by: deadtear
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
You're right, Goons would take comments like "savage" and "racist" as compliments. I know a Goon IRL. He's... annoying to say the least, but very intelligent (hard to believe, but true). He annoys others intentionally, with full knowledge of the consequences. Much of what most of the Goons do to gain their hated reputation in EVE is totally intentional, and they throw respect out the window in exchange for what is fun to them: being a nuisance and having a ball messing with others. Goonswarm is like an alliance of 3,000 griefers and maybe 500+ others. I guess the OP is either one of those 500+ others, or he's one of the 3,000 in which he truly IS loyal to Goonswarm and this is just another attempt at confusing us in a grand scheme of EVE-wide griefing. In which case: awesome, dude. :D You totally got me.
Sounds like some ppl I know, the ones with no real lives... They get beat up a lot, and don't get to have sex much, if at all... Does not mean they should get to ruin a game...
Projecting like that isnt healthy you know.
Not projecting, just find the description of his GS friend pretty uncanny...
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This is absolutely true, were I sexually satisfied I would be mining Scordite in Yulai.
I should have been more clear, don't get to have sex much with women, with animals on the other hand...
DPG aren't goons k?
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:17:00 -
[125]
Dear Civilized Posters;
Do not engage the GoonTrolls in conversation, 9/10 doctors agree it kills more brain cells than tv and booze combined.
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
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Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:18:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 31/05/2007 22:17:19
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
Dear Civilized Posters;
People with avatars like yours aren't allowed to use the word "civilized".
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Jamie Roxburgh
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:18:00 -
[127]
Originally by: DarkMatter
I should have been more clear, don't get to have sex much with women, with animals on the other hand...
i'm pretty sure urmom wouldn't appreciate being called an animal
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:19:00 -
[128]
This thread roughly highlights why CCP should stop spying on GS forums as part of internal affairs investigations. Most ******* pubbies just do not understand GS culture and are too engaged in seeking moral high grounds to attempt to do so.
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Swinton Wolsoncroft
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:19:00 -
[129]
Im da offensive goon in da OP
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:19:00 -
[130]
Edited by: DarkMatter on 31/05/2007 22:18:23
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I don't know if you realize it, but you play a MMORPG.
Actually, I don't play anymore... EVE has too many ppl like you playing it nowadays...
Building the homestead
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Combustion Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Mhaerdirne Solveig on 31/05/2007 22:18:47
somethingawful.com's a pretty cool site
this is my official uninformed take on this issue
questions may be directed to my dog pluto
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:20:00 -
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Exit complete = banned from GS forums. That was fast.
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deadtear
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:20:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
Dear Civilized Posters;
Do not engage the GoonTrolls in conversation, 9/10 doctors agree it kills more brain cells than tv and booze combined.
Not a single person posting in this thread can even remotely claim to be "civilized." You especially Professional forum dweller Tortun "not an alt I swear" Nahme.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:20:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Scatim Helicon on 31/05/2007 22:19:14
Why couldn't you announce your exit by smartbombing our undock point like everyone else does?
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Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:20:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 31/05/2007 22:19:42
Originally by: DarkMatter
Edited by: DarkMatter on 31/05/2007 22:18:23
Quote:
I don't know if you realize it, but you play a MMORPG.
Actually, I don't play anymore... EVE has too many ppl like you playing it nowadays...
Then why are you still here?
That's a serious question, by the way.
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Schlieren Altiprlayle
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:20:00 -
[136]
i didnt read a single word of this thread
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Sitten Spynne
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:20:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
Dear Civilized Posters;
Sorry man this is as far as anyone on Eve-o is going to get
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:20:00 -
[138]
Originally by: DarkMatter
Edited by: DarkMatter on 31/05/2007 22:18:23
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I don't know if you realize it, but you play a MMORPG.
Actually, I don't play anymore... EVE has too many ppl like you playing it nowadays...
So you just come back here for the sparkling conversation then.
Maybe you should make some friends.
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Vahl
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:21:00 -
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The least you could have done was steal some stuff or blow up some unsuspecting goons on your way out.
I'm disappointed...
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Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:21:00 -
[140]
Edited by: DarkMatter on 31/05/2007 22:21:39
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll
Originally by: DarkMatter
Edited by: DarkMatter on 31/05/2007 22:18:23
Quote:
I don't know if you realize it, but you play a MMORPG.
Actually, I don't play anymore... EVE has too many ppl like you playing it nowadays...
Then why are you still here?
Unfortunately, used 6 month sub intervals on my accounts...
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So you just come back here for the sparkling conversation then.
Oh absolutely, lol... None of you know who my forum banned main is, or even care, so you really don't know why I'm here, LOL!
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Plaetean
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:22:00 -
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Excellent post, thanks for taking the time to write it, makes me wonder how you ended up in GS. The Goons have made it clear they aim to ruin eve, this just confirms my suspicions about them.
Thanks again for writing this, it must have taken a while, but it was worth the read.
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Stucks
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
I should have been more clear, don't get to have sex much with women, with animals on the other hand...
Thats illegal you know.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kiih
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Oh my, the thread is being swarmed by goons to try to get it locked!
Who ever thought?
if there was anything done right on these forums you'd have been thrown right the **** out before you even made your first post
Remember those card you posted all over the forums?
Forum actions do not affect in-game events, right?
You seem to be forgetting this as you spam the forums...
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Divus
Black Omega Security
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:23:00 -
[144]
Originally by: eleuthereus
BoB fields some of the most experienced, skilled, intelligent, and crafty pilots and FCs in Eve. And their ships are fitted with wonderous toys.
/me points eleutereus in that direction
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ChironV
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:23:00 -
[145]
Well written, nicely executed, and informative.
Plus you didnt ravish the corp BP's or wallet...
You're right, you're the antithesis of a goon.
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The Pointless
Gallente
Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: The Pointless on 31/05/2007 22:23:07
Originally by: Le Skunk
Edited by: Le Skunk on 31/05/2007 21:42:36
Originally by: The Pointless
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
goons are getting awefully vocal for a group that doesn't care
Ditto that!
Its seriously time you kept your nose out of things mate - Its undignified
SKUNK
What's that stench? Oh, it's just Skunk. Seriously. Shut up.
It was a Goon that helped me out when I first started EVE. Advised me on what skills to train. Even gave me some stuff he left in a Caldari station, even when I said there was no need. He's still in my buddy list. As a result, I was under the assumption that GS was OK. None of the Goons I came across caused me any trouble, nor did I see them giving anyone greif. And they seemed like a decent enough alliance.
Now, do you have any idea how I feel about GS as an alliance after the threadnaught and this? You don't want to know. 
In anycase, got nowt but respect for the OP.
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Machine Delta
Gamma Haulers Against Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:24:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Kiih
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Oh my, the thread is being swarmed by goons to try to get it locked!
Who ever thought?
if there was anything done right on these forums you'd have been thrown right the **** out before you even made your first post
Remember those card you posted all over the forums?
Forum actions do not affect in-game events, right?
You seem to be forgetting this as you spam the forums...
So you've basically never affected anything?
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Itzena
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:24:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
You seem to be forgetting this as you spam the forums...
...says the one-man forum DOS.
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Etien Aldragoran
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Stucks
Originally by: DarkMatter
I should have been more clear, don't get to have sex much with women, with animals on the other hand...
Thats illegal you know.
Only if you harm the animal Stucks, some**** up in Washington ruptured his colon getting pounded in the ass by a horsecock and couldn't be charged because he wasn't on the giving end. I would finish that off with a blatent Bobbit troll but whats the point, odds are this'll get cleared out anyway.
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GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:22:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Kiko Goatbiter
Honestly that doesn't surprise me at all, I bet you post in GBS a lot.
People in GBS have busy pant-****ting lives away from their computers.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:22:00 -
[151]
Edited by: Snowden Vel on 31/05/2007 23:21:59
Okay, here goes:
- we took him in when he came from a hostile alliance
- goons helped him access his assets that were trapped various former LV stations
- LOVEU made him a director
- Goons made and gave him his own bee on the forums. I can count all the goons with their own bee on one hand. It's a pretty big gesture.
It's pretty clear we didn't make him our veldspar slave or push him around.
And it looks truthful to you because you've already bought into his extremely slanted argument, which vastly oversimplifies the ethic and motivation of the average goon.
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Anti Derivative
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:22:00 -
[152]
I like goons. They are friendly kittens ^_^
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Golden Dove on 31/05/2007 23:21:37
Originally by: PKlavins
Originally by: Cringeley
Edited by: Cringeley on 31/05/2007 23:15:58
You have to ask yourself where this play style came from.
Goonfleet, and previously the individuals who founded goonfleet, have been getting shat on by Eve's so-called community from the time they joined. They were victims of Istvaan Shogatsu. Then goonfleet was formed and started getting wailed on by the entire population of Syndicate, and then D2.
After fighting ourselves to exhaustion in XZH we faced a grudge war from BoB aimed at making us give up and quit the game, which your precious LV decided to follow up by sending elite gankers into our space to kill our newbies in their ospreys.
So if you want to know why there is a hint of bitterness and hate in our rhetoric (but only in our rhetoric) this is why: Because Eve's "community" is a hate filled, cruel, miserable "community" and it has taught us well.
Go them. Why? Because you chose to use probably the most despised legit combat tactic in the game: blobbing. Not even blobbing with skill (back then), unlike others. So yea. Blobbing = bad, and since that makes up 100% of your combat, you = bad. Combine that with your personalities and IQ's, and you get so much worse than 'bad'.
hell ya /signed
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Atreus Minmatarius
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: Atreus Minmatarius on 31/05/2007 23:21:46
nice story... if i didn't tlike iron that much i would havep prob been a goon myself
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Intentional Negligence
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:23:00 -
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For those of you that want a spam-free, always unlocked, easy to read version of his story, check out EVE-Blogger in my signature. You can comment there about it.
Admin of EVE-Blogger.com
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 01/06/2007 00:48:03
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Bu Jinkan
Amarr
Rens 911
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: nickycakes
@op: weren't you the ****** in LV that made a whine thread about someone selling medium cap batteries for 100k isk each?
not gonna defend goons, but lets just say i'm not surprised to see a cry thread of this magnitude coming from you...
pretty much. he was probably the best treated pubbie in GS history. and maybe like two or three people have their own bee. he even got free carrier jumps to move his stuff out when he joined.
all for a ******** dramabomb. and he didn't even steal LOVEU's BPOs. if he had done that i at least could see he was competent at eve.
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Plexreticle
Ero Guro
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:26:00 -
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Uncool quoting players in a negative context.
Even if it's true,I doubt it was stated with the intent of it being published in the forums.
*snip* Please do not use such profanity -Eldo ([email protected]) Goons have gone from zero to major player in the Eve universe almost over night.
I suggest the OP is a spy by the way he just fronted out GoonSwarm in the forums.
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AegriSomnia
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:26:00 -
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Fairly undignified exit if you ask me. I realize what you say about RL issues you have and not wanting to deal with a*holes in game, too, but there is also a certain sense of levity that you obviously LACK when playing A GAME. Obviously, you have very disconnected relationships with REAL PEOPLE that you hold these NOT REAL relationships with people IN A GAME so seriously.
Anyway, before I go off, and I dont wish to bump this thread as its just the ramblings of a freaking maniac, nice way to bow out. You could have just left and identified it for what it is. You didnt fit in. But no, you had to be a commie/fascist (hows that for a paradox, hmmm?) and flame.
See you around, Eleuthereus.....
Originally by: grayson 34
Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Kiko Goatbiter
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: PKlavins
Originally by: Cringeley
Edited by: Cringeley on 31/05/2007 23:15:58
You have to ask yourself where this play style came from.
Goonfleet, and previously the individuals who founded goonfleet, have been getting shat on by Eve's so-called community from the time they joined. They were victims of Istvaan Shogatsu. Then goonfleet was formed and started getting wailed on by the entire population of Syndicate, and then D2.
After fighting ourselves to exhaustion in XZH we faced a grudge war from BoB aimed at making us give up and quit the game, which your precious LV decided to follow up by sending elite gankers into our space to kill our newbies in their ospreys.
So if you want to know why there is a hint of bitterness and hate in our rhetoric (but only in our rhetoric) this is why: Because Eve's "community" is a hate filled, cruel, miserable "community" and it has taught us well.
Go them. Why? Because you chose to use probably the most despised legit combat tactic in the game: blobbing. Not even blobbing with skill (back then), unlike others. So yea. Blobbing = bad, and since that makes up 100% of your combat, you = bad. Combine that with your personalities and IQ's, and you get so much worse than 'bad'.
I agree, Newbies should be forced to stay in empire until they have 15million SP
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GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: DeckardIRL
Originally by: Etien Aldragoran
The funny part is you think this is a threadnaught rather than goons being goons.
Edit: Seriously did you even read the OP, we're worse than this to our own.
Yeah I read the OP, check out CAOD... I got to this thread on the first page... by the time I hit post reply it was 6 pages long and locked for editing... so yes its a threadnaught and not just gooners being w4nkers (sorry themselves..)
You do realize we are the largest corp in eve, right? This is not a threadnaught, this isn't even close the volume of posting that goes on in our internal forums.
Pretty good post, apart for all the self serving moral posturing and the inaccurate stuff about Goons scamming allies. I don't expect anyone here to believe this, but we actually love our allies and scamming them gets you kicked out so fast your head will spin. Yes, even on alts.
Shame you never really fit in, Eleuthereus, but I'm not going to argue that GS is for everyone.
I guess this will teach us not to show pubbies mercy or something. Lesson learned.
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rycar
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
I'm a goon.
Not in Goonfleet/Goonswarm, and not active any time recently, but I'm a goon.
I didn't register there under this name though, so you'll never know who
Give us a hint
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Krazy Kraker
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:30:00 -
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1)He definately hit our mentality on the head.
2)We do want to ruin eve for everyone else, because our fun is the only thing that matters to us. Yes we are selfish and everything else. Think of it this way, if we werent here you would be bored to tear because most of the crap that is talked about wouldnt be around for you to read or write about. God, EVE would suck.
3)Last time I read the Forums, it was BOB saying we were dead and there were no more GOONS. HMMMmmmmm. Good job guys. Way to break our Industrial backbone.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:33:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: eleuthereus
And it is odd that so many GS seem miffed by this post.
Probably because for those of us with firsthand knowledge of how well you were treated you come off like a passive-aggressive weasel. I see the text but what I'm reading is "hey guys I know you did a lot to show me mercy and help me out and even gave me my own bee but we have some fundamental disagreements so instead of just leaving with dignity I'm going to write a short novel about them and cherry-pick a few people's quotes to attack you on the forums so hopefully I can score some pubbie street cred to get recruited elsewhere."
How well you treated me?
Well, you let me into GS. TY. It's not like you gave me all kinds of free ships, fronted me millions of ISk, or taught me the ropes of 0.0. Give it a rest. I was a seasoned 0.0 pilot with lots of battles, kills, loses, ships, and ISk in my pocket when I joined. I appreciated you letting me in, as I have always said. But our styles of play crossed. Hence, my extrication of self from said allaince -- leaving behind me some extremely valuable assets to LOVEU and GS. So, really, it was how well I treated you. I call that leaving with dignity -- fulfilling the promises to my CEO not to steal or spy.
And as for the Bee symbol, I paid for that just like others. And I also paid for my forum sig. Finally, I need no "street cred," as you put it, to get some kind of invitation to another alliance. I explained exactly why I wrote the multi-post. And clearly, I have only documented what Goons themselevs have said. I made nothing up. You can read the quotes yourself. I didn't make them up. best to ya.
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
Ahahahahaha!
Yeah, Goons were wide-eyed innocents coming into EVE, looking around in wonder and awe for friendship and understanding before ebil BoB smacked you down and FORCED you to become a bunch of useless ****s.
Right.
Nobody is saying that goons are wide-eyed innocents. He is saying that most of you are no better than goons in the morals department. You roll your eyes at their tongue in cheek racism, only to gleefully make completely bigoted terms like "logoffski" part of the Eve pubbie vernacular. |
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Posted - 2007.05.31 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: AegriSomnia
Fairly undignified exit if you ask me. I realize what you say about RL issues you have and not wanting to deal with a*holes in game, too, but there is also a certain sense of levity that you obviously LACK when playing A GAME. Obviously, you have very disconnected relationships with REAL PEOPLE that you hold these NOT REAL relationships with people IN A GAME so seriously.
Anyway, before I go off, and I dont wish to bump this thread as its just the ramblings of a freaking maniac, nice way to bow out. You could have just left and identified it for what it is. You didnt fit in. But no, you had to be a commie/fascist (hows that for a paradox, hmmm?) and flame.
See you around, Eleuthereus.....
Talk about hypocrisy "Leave quitly, don't stir up a mess" from the Goons?
I'll call BS to Dev Fanbois when they say it and I'll call BS to players when they say it.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:17:00 -
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What amazes me most is that he never clued into what makes goons who they are in the game.
For insight into goon psychology, feel free to visit the well-known forum whose humor is based on ironic meta-mockery. I don't expect everyone to "get it", but then, not everyone can be a goon.
From day 1 as a smallish swarm of t1 frigates we have been called a "cancer" and accused of everything up to and including destroying the universe IRL (omg teh goonies r so evil!). We make fun of that by pretending to be what people think we are. IN A GAME. ON THE INTERNET.
We are not actually out to destroy eve. We are not actually out to destroy CCP. We love this game and we want to see it grow and prosper, but there are serious problems that need to be addressed with it that eventually really will destroy EvE if something is not done soon.
Whether you agree with the way we decided (or were forced to,) address those problems, we know our intentions were good. Feel free to not believe me, but it's the honest truth.
Yes, goons play evil monstrous bastards in an internet spaceship game. No one (particularly goons) is going to argue against that. Anyone who takes it too seriously needs to unglue themselves from the keyboard go outside for a while to absorb some sunlight.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:28:00 -
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Thread scrubbed. Stop trolling and derailing the thread to get it locked, or your posting privileges will be short lived.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:48:00 -
[169]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 01:00:19
Post accidentally doubled after scrubbing.
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Svaha Norbu
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GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:50:00 -
[170]
Stop spamming the thread Eleuthereus.
Honestly, you are your own worst enemy.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:54:00 -
[171]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 01:05:49
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 01:01:43
Originally by: nickycakes
@op: weren't you the ****** in LV that made a whine thread about someone selling medium cap batteries for 100k isk each? not gonna defend goons, but lets just say i'm not surprised to see a cry thread of this magnitude coming from you...
No, actually, I was criticizing a single LV guy for bloating prices in LV space during wartime when med caps were cruicial for ospreys trying to rep. It was standard ASCN practice to not pull that kind of market stuff during war.
Originally by: nickycakes
pretty much. he was probably the best treated pubbie in GS history. and maybe like two or three people have their own bee. he even got free carrier jumps to move his stuff out when he joined.
Uhm, as I said. I paid for that bee like everyone who has an avatar in GS. And as for a free carrier jump of my stuff out of GS space -- ROFL. Wrong. Don't post about what you know nothing of. When I joined GS -- read mu OP -- I already had all my stuff in LV space, which you took over. All my stuff was already there. Moreover, when I had all my stuff jumped out over the last week or so, I offered to pay THAT carrier pilot, and I DID pay that carrier pilot. Go ask him. Do you even know who he was?
And I think if I would have stolen ANYTHING from LOVEU, you and the others would have reacted with firey indignation -- the same way you all reacted to that other pilot, who before he left a month or so ago did INDEED steal BPOs from a corp. You guys went ballistic.
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Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:55:00 -
[172]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: eleuthereus
And it is odd that so many GS seem miffed by this post.
Probably because for those of us with firsthand knowledge of how well you were treated you come off like a passive-aggressive weasel. I see the text but what I'm reading is "hey guys I know you did a lot to show me mercy and help me out and even gave me my own bee but we have some fundamental disagreements so instead of just leaving with dignity I'm going to write a short novel about them and cherry-pick a few people's quotes to attack you on the forums so hopefully I can score some pubbie street cred to get recruited elsewhere."
How well you treated me?
Well, you let me into GS. TY. It's not like you gave me all kinds of free ships, fronted me millions of ISk, or taught me the ropes of 0.0. Give it a rest. I was a seasoned 0.0 pilot with lots of battles, kills, loses, ships, and ISk in my pocket when I joined. I appreciated you letting me in, as I have always said. But our styles of play crossed. Hence, my extrication of self from said allaince -- leaving behind me some extremely valuable assets to LOVEU and GS. So, really, it was how well I treated you. I call that leaving with dignity -- fulfilling the promises to my CEO not to steal or spy.
And as for the Bee symbol, I paid for that just like others. And I also paid for my forum sig. Finally, I need no "street cred," as you put it, to get some kind of invitation to another alliance. I explained exactly why I wrote the multi-post. And clearly, I have only documented what Goons themselves have said. I made nothing up. You can read the quotes yourself. I didn't make them up. best to ya.
You really think highly of yourself, don't you?
But it's cool, if you ever come by where I live I'll buy you a glass of milk ^_^
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:56:00 -
[173]
Edited by: DarkMatter on 01/06/2007 00:59:27
Quote:
We are not actually out to destroy eve. We are not actually out to destroy CCP. We love this game and we want to see it grow and prosper, but there are serious problems that need to be addressed with it that eventually really will destroy EvE if something is not done soon.
Don't you realize that the main problem with this game is players like you?
CCP is quite generous to allow a band of disruptive players like yourselves to continue to exist in this game, I'd be thanking them for not banning your asses like most other game companies would if I were you...
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unsmith
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:57:00 -
[174]
Edited by: unsmith on 01/06/2007 00:55:54
Originally by: DarkMatter
CCP is quite generous to allow a band of disruptive players like yourselves to continue to exist in this game, I'd be thanking them for not banning your asses like most other gane companies would if I were you...
Quoting this because DAMN SON
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Kiko Goatbiter
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 00:57:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Psilocin
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: eleuthereus
And it is odd that so many GS seem miffed by this post.
Probably because for those of us with firsthand knowledge of how well you were treated you come off like a passive-aggressive weasel. I see the text but what I'm reading is "hey guys I know you did a lot to show me mercy and help me out and even gave me my own bee but we have some fundamental disagreements so instead of just leaving with dignity I'm going to write a short novel about them and cherry-pick a few people's quotes to attack you on the forums so hopefully I can score some pubbie street cred to get recruited elsewhere."
How well you treated me?
Well, you let me into GS. TY. It's not like you gave me all kinds of free ships, fronted me millions of ISk, or taught me the ropes of 0.0. Give it a rest. I was a seasoned 0.0 pilot with lots of battles, kills, loses, ships, and ISk in my pocket when I joined. I appreciated you letting me in, as I have always said. But our styles of play crossed. Hence, my extrication of self from said allaince -- leaving behind me some extremely valuable assets to LOVEU and GS. So, really, it was how well I treated you. I call that leaving with dignity -- fulfilling the promises to my CEO not to steal or spy.
And as for the Bee symbol, I paid for that just like others. And I also paid for my forum sig. Finally, I need no "street cred," as you put it, to get some kind of invitation to another alliance. I explained exactly why I wrote the multi-post. And clearly, I have only documented what Goons themselves have said. I made nothing up. You can read the quotes yourself. I didn't make them up. best to ya.
You really think highly of yourself, don't you?
But it's cool, if you ever come by where I live I'll buy you a glass of milk ^_^
Well he DID write a huge thread about his detailed history that people are only caring about because it's about dem evil goonies
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:00:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Edited by: Snowden Vel on 31/05/2007 23:21:59
Okay, here goes:
- we took him in when he came from a hostile alliance
true
Originally by: Snowden Vel
- goons helped him access his assets that were trapped various former LV stations
untrue. I possessed/moved my own stuff.
Originally by: Snowden Vel
- LOVEU made him a director
true
Originally by: Snowden Vel
- Goons made and gave him his own bee on the forums. I can count all the goons with their own bee on one hand. It's a pretty big gesture.
true. And paid for it, like the otehrs. But it was a nice gesture to give me a unique bee.
Originally by: Snowden Vel
It's pretty clear we didn't make him our veldspar slave or push him around.
true
Originally by: Snowden Vel
And it looks truthful to you because you've already bought into his extremely slanted argument, which vastly oversimplifies the ethic and motivation of the average goon.
I tried to be anything but simplistic.
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Edited by: LUH 3471 on 01/06/2007 01:09:05
@op
excellent post 10/10
very nice read
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DiuxDium
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:02:00 -
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The butt-hurt goons ITT make it all worth while baby. Seriously, you guys are whining because a guy you bestowed the holy bee upon thinks you're idiots.
How is that not the height of comedy?
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Calderio
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:15:00 -
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i havent read any of the replys and thats probally a good thing, but this guy talked about alot of interesting things in how different allainces work and his personal viewpoints on the game.
i give it a 9/10 for it being a good and interesting read, also i covered this thread on bob radio.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:16:00 -
[180]
Originally by: DarkMatter
Edited by: DarkMatter on 01/06/2007 00:59:27
Quote:
We are not actually out to destroy eve. We are not actually out to destroy CCP. We love this game and we want to see it grow and prosper, but there are serious problems that need to be addressed with it that eventually really will destroy EvE if something is not done soon.
Don't you realize that the main problem with this game is players like you?
CCP is quite generous to allow a band of disruptive players like yourselves to continue to exist in this game, I'd be thanking them for not banning your asses like most other game companies would if I were you...
Please explain at greater length why goons should be banned for behaving exactly the same as thousands of other players, goon and non-goon alike.
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Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:22:00 -
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Props to the poster; you're actually respectable. Detailed, and fairly unbiased, I don't know what your ex-alliance mates are whining about.
Anti-props to the Goons, who are spamming threads they don't care about.
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Please explain at greater length why goons should be banned for behaving exactly the same as thousands of other players, goon and non-goon alike.
Also, "behaving exactly the same as thousands of other players" only applies because your alliance of several thousand + their non-GoonSwarm alts are the ones that behave that way.
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Vio Geraci
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: DiuxDium
The butt-hurt goons ITT make it all worth while baby. Seriously, you guys are whining because a guy you bestowed the holy bee upon thinks you're idiots.
We're not trying to get this thread closed, dear. Nor are we whining. We're basking in the attention like playful seals in the sun.
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Recluse Viramor
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:25:00 -
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Stay ontopic -Eldo ([email protected])
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Duff Man
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:28:00 -
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Read the whole thing and I must admit, even after fighting Goons for so long I literally had no idea....
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CrispyKritters
Caldari
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:28:00 -
[185]
The Internet is Serious Business.
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Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:30:00 -
[186]
Originally by: CrispyKritters
The Internet is Serious Business.
The seriousesest. Which is why you guys spend so much time here talking about how serious it is. :)
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:30:00 -
[187]
Stay on topic DS. -Eldo ([email protected])
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Plexreticle
Uncool quoting players in a negative context. Even if it's true,I doubt it was stated with the intent of it being published in the forums.
Here's the oddity of it all, as I explained in my OP, the Goons revel in their odious philosophy of game play. I have merely documented it. And placed it in the context of my own experiences and philosophy of game play.
Originally by: Plexreticle
I suggest the OP is a spy by the way he just fronted out GoonSwarm in the forums.
lol. uh . . . no. I was no spy.
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:37:00 -
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WTF.. this guy was a goon?
Someone point out the fact that he's a male singer... and said he cant "fit in" to goon... maybe some goons would like to point out why.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:39:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Psilocin
You really think highly of yourself, don't you?
NO. Not really. I am who I am. I know what I know. I play how I play. I have a lot to learn. And I have a lot to give. That's all. I write lengthy posts because, well, I enjoy writing.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:39:00 -
[191]
Edited by: Snowden Vel on 01/06/2007 01:44:16
Originally by: Anille Kole
"behaving exactly the same as thousands of other players" only applies because your alliance of several thousand + their non-GoonSwarm alts are the ones that behave that way.
I'll go ahead and break it down then, using the OP as a source.
- piracy: Goons pirate. You have us there. I love it. But so do many other pilots who I've seen around lowsec. In fact, most lowsec pirates aren't goons, because we usually fight in 0.0.
- profanity/racism: First off, I've seen non-goon pilots unleash massive, mind-bending torrents of profanity at myself and other goons all across the galaxy, usually for stuff like cloaked idling or piracy. As for racism, it's already been pointed out, but it's generally tongue in cheek stuff that happens on our private forums, as opposed to the blatant "logoffski" style racism that many, many people constantly use ingame.
- scamming: Scams using ingame mechanics have been around long before goons, and will be around long after we all leave for the POTBS beta in a week.
- forums posting: plenty of people in this thread have posted just as much as goons, it's simply a function of the fact that if you make thread about goons, it will involve more goons than other pilots.
- highsec ganking: this is a totally legitimate mechanic - highsec isn't totally safe, just safer. Hell, even generally respected groups like Outbreak have done it.
- attitude: I've read enough black-and-red colored pirate bios to know there's plenty of random pilots out there who like griefing other players. Most goons simply reflect the general disdain we receive from the community. How could we not love blowing you up, after all we've experienced?
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Dark Kavar
Caldari
Aionios Diadochi
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:45:00 -
[192]
Uhhh can someone explain what a pubbie is?
Kind of like the Triforce in Zelda, only not quite as potent.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:45:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
- piracy: Goons pirate. You have us there. I love it. But so do many other pilots who I've seen around lowsec. In fact, most lowsec pirates aren't goons, because we usually fight in 0.0.
And as I said, it's a style of play well within Eve bounds. enjoy. it's just not me. Plz, undertand, as I tried to explain, this was more than just a trying to bash goons thread, it was a personal expression to the Eve community of my own experiences in 3 large alliance in 3 large wars.
Originally by: Snowden Vel
- profanity/racism: First off, I've seen non-goon pilots unleash massive, mind-bending torrents of profanity at myself and other goons all across the galaxy, usually for stuff like cloaked idling or piracy. As for racism, it's already been pointed out, but it's generally tongue in cheek stuff that happens on our private forums, as opposed to the blatant "logoffski" style racism that many, many people constantly use ingame.
Again, as I said, I am no prude. And was simply giving insight into the GS alliance and my personal reaons for leaving. Thikn of it as a story of sorts. Now, I will also say, as for your comment regarding the racist stuff that "happens on our private forums" - not entirely true. When I was in LV, for example, in Dg- (or perhaps 0-w) we blew up a Goon ship named "400lb.Nig**Rapist" Mkay, that's not on private forums -- and there are otehr examples.
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Intentional Negligence
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:47:00 -
[194]
Originally by: eleuthereus
I write lengthy posts because, well, I enjoy writing.
You're welcome to write for EVE-Blogger any day. 
I have a lot of respect for you.
Admin of EVE-Blogger.com
"Your number one source for EVE blogs!"
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:47:00 -
[195]
Edited by: Snowden Vel on 01/06/2007 01:46:14
eleuthereus, I was replying to the rabid "CCP is generous you should all be banned" post, not you. I just couldn't get a solid answer from that poster about why we should be banned, so I hijacked your points.
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:48:00 -
[196]
Originally by: umop 3pisdn
WTF.. this guy was a goon?
Someone point out the fact that he's a male singer... and said he cant "fit in" to goon... maybe some goons would like to point out why.
Because he is a mature, intelligent player on the lookout for a mature, intelligent, REAL WORLD WIDE ALLIANCE
Also good luck Ele I hope you get into EO or RISE or whatever worthless pubbie corp is willing to take you in so you may fulfill your life-long dream of paying rent to BOB
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:49:00 -
[197]
Edited by: Sir Lolle on 01/06/2007 01:48:03
Originally by: Dark Kavar
Uhhh can someone explain what a pubbie is?
You.
You are a pubbie.
You are the pubbie in the op.
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Dark Kavar
Caldari
Aionios Diadochi
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:50:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Sir Lolle
Edited by: Sir Lolle on 01/06/2007 01:48:03
Originally by: Dark Kavar
Uhhh can someone explain what a pubbie is?
You.
You are a pubbie.
You are the pubbie in the op.
Yes becuase that totally explains it
Kind of like the Triforce in Zelda, only not quite as potent.
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Kage Getsu
Knowledge Industries Geological Research
Ghosts Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:50:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Dark Kavar
Uhhh can someone explain what a pubbie is?
It's a word that many SA regulars use to describe people that aren't them. It's usually used in an arrogant manner because a lot of them believe they are superior because they paid ten dollars to post on a forum.
Goonfleet alts: Please note that I've been a member of SA for nearly 7 years, so I think I'm allowed to comment on stuff like that.
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Dark Kavar
Caldari
Aionios Diadochi
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:52:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Dark Kavar
Uhhh can someone explain what a pubbie is?
It's a word that many SA regulars use to describe people that aren't them. It's usually used in an arrogant manner because a lot of them believe they are superior because they paid ten dollars to post on a forum.
thanks
Kind of like the Triforce in Zelda, only not quite as potent.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:52:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Dark Kavar
Uhhh can someone explain what a pubbie is?
It's a word that many SA regulars use to describe people that aren't them. It's usually used in an arrogant manner because a lot of them believe they are superior because they paid ten dollars to post on a forum.
The distinction has a lot less to do with ten dollars and a lot more to do with threads like this.
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Svaha Norbu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:52:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Dark Kavar
Uhhh can someone explain what a pubbie is?
It's a bit like a muggle in a Harry Potter novel.
Goonfleet is a lot like Hogwarts you see...
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Kage Getsu
Knowledge Industries Geological Research
Ghosts Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:54:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
The distinction has a lot less to do with ten dollars and a lot more to do with threads like this.
I don't know what you mean by that, every thread about a multiplayer game in the Games forum is pubbies this, pubbies that.
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Kramer Verone
Amarr
TeamMX
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:55:00 -
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BOB damage control looks so amateurish, but their pets never were that bright to begin with, and they are the only ones needing convincing to remain loyal.
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Dark Kavar
Caldari
Aionios Diadochi
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:55:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Svaha Norbu
Originally by: Dark Kavar
Uhhh can someone explain what a pubbie is?
It's a bit like a muggle in a Harry Potter novel.
Goonfleet is a lot like Hogwarts you see...
so what does that make mudbloods?
Kind of like the Triforce in Zelda, only not quite as potent.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:55:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: Snowden Vel
The distinction has a lot less to do with ten dollars and a lot more to do with threads like this.
I don't know what you mean by that, every thread about a multiplayer game in the Games forum is pubbies this, pubbies that.
I'm talking about the negative connotations attached to the term, not the definition itself.
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Talkie Toaster
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.01 01:55:00 -
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a hugely interesting insight into a world of eve that i havnt even thought about joining in on. if the way goons are and the way you are have come accross accurately i'm amazed you managed to last as long as you did.
also nice to see a post thats been well thought out with big long words. interesting to see how many couldnt be bothered to read it but COULD be bothered to post that they couldnt be bothered to read it
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Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:01:00 -
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Quote:
"The easiest way to 'fix' Eve is to ruin CCP's credibility in the industry, and totally ******* ruin the launch and first few months of their White Wolf RPG by epic degrees of****gotry and griefing, so that the only thing they have left is Eve. Eventually someone will see them as a profitable takeover target, and a company that isn't run by ******s will buy them out. The headquarters for game development will be moved to a country that isn't populated by unprofessional ice nig***s." (Dawnfiend, post #1880)
Well, thats nice... Online vandalism and industrial sabotage ftw, eh.
To the OP: Good post(s). A real eye opener.
To the goons guilty of what was described by OP: Get yourself real lives and do something productive rather than try and destroy an online game for other players. Really pathetic.
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:02:00 -
[209]
Edited by: DarkMatter on 01/06/2007 02:02:23
Edited by: DarkMatter on 01/06/2007 02:01:48
Quote:
Please explain at greater length why goons should be banned for behaving exactly the same as thousands of other players, goon and non-goon alike.
Maybe because you act childish, and your intent is to **** over the game and CCP both on TQ and on the forums, and even try to deface CCP elsewhere on the net in a combined, planned group effort. If I was CCP, and you hurt my bottom line at all because of such actions, your asses would be banned.
Honestly, does it really need explanation?
You're the ones who want to be percievd as aholes, guess what, you succeded in that goal and then some... Congratulations!
Even if this is just an MMO, your goal is to be aholes??? Are you not aholes enough in real life for even wanting to play an MMO that way in the first place? You actually plan to play this gam that way until the game dies... I'm sorry, but that does speak volumes about a person who sits down to play a game on the net with "friends"...
It's hard for ppl not to envision you guys as children pounding sand...
You're actually proud to show your faces at events such as fanfest? Honestly?
Building the homestead
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FireFox McProwler
Caldari
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:05:00 -
[210]
Edited by: FireFox McProwler on 01/06/2007 02:06:13
Just another reminder of how people are in mmorpgs.
I just wish the non factors who use a crutch to get something leave the game. But they will go to another game n do the same stuff. Only difference is they will get banned in the end.
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Yet i do need to give CCP alot of respect and props for putting up with what is going on now. Other game corps would just outright remove the problem by account removal.
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Vio Geraci
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:06:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Tecam Hund
To the OP: Good post(s). A real eye opener.
To the goons guilty of what was described by OP: Get yourself real lives and do something productive rather than try and destroy an online game for other players. Really pathetic.
Immediately following that quote was a ton of goons telling him to shut up. Don't accept quotes like that without context, dear.
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Guillaume Yu
Freelance Assassins
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:16:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: Guillaume Yu
Good luck to you sir, i'm sure you will find better places to fly that aren't defiled by the Goons. Every Goon that engages me in small talk in local I make sure they know where to put the sand they can go and pound. And that goes for Remedial as well.
Oh hey you guy, I've been waiting for you to show up in local. I've wanted to talk to you for a long time. When's a good time to convo you?
Why don't you come over to A-Z in Syndicate, you know where that is where the Goons were chased from. Or I could come to Omist, but you were chased from there too.
Yeah sig would be here.
Ah heck with it Bree time.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:21:00 -
[213]
Originally by: DarkMatter
Maybe because you act childish, and your intent is to **** over the game and CCP both on TQ and on the forums
Bloated rhetoric by a select few. I don't want to **** over CCP, I don't want to **** over EVE, I want to **** over you, because you deserve it.
Quote:
even try to deface CCP elsewhere on the net in a combined, planned group effort.
There's nothing wrong with vocally demanding responsive customer service when you're initially rebuffed. For most goons, I'm pretty sure it was a good faith effort, though I can't speak personally because I didn't participate.
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If I was CCP, and you hurt my bottom line at all because of such actions, your asses would be banned.
Goons have done a lot for CCP's bottom of line. We've recruited thousands of new players to this game (who often get multiple accounts), and done a lot more good than harm for their bottom line.
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Honestly, does it really need explanation?
Well obviously most people here are willing to take anything bad said about goons at face value, but that doesn't make an unsupported argument valid.
Quote:
Are you not aholes enough in real life for even wanting to play an MMO that way in the first place? You actually plan to play this gam that way until the game dies... I'm sorry, but that does speak volumes about a person who sits down to play a game on the net with "friends"...
This is incoherent and maybe I could form a rebuttal if I could untangle your reasoning.
We obviously weren't cut out to be e-BFF's but you really need to get a grip and realize that in such a vast universe of opportunities there's more than one valid way to play the game.
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CrispyKritters
Caldari
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:23:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Anille Kole
Originally by: CrispyKritters
The Internet is Serious Business.
The seriousesest. Which is why you guys spend so much time here talking about how serious it is. :)
If it was so serious, maybe you should have use a real word or at least spell a nonexistant word correctly instead of "seriousesest"
Originally by: Guillaume Yu
Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: Guillaume Yu
Good luck to you sir, i'm sure you will find better places to fly that aren't defiled by the Goons. Every Goon that engages me in small talk in local I make sure they know where to put the sand they can go and pound. And that goes for Remedial as well.
Oh hey you guy, I've been waiting for you to show up in local. I've wanted to talk to you for a long time. When's a good time to convo you?
Why don't you come over to A-Z in Syndicate, you know where that is where the Goons were chased from. Or I could come to Omist, but you were chased from there too.
If we were chased from Syndicate, where is LV now?
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Magritz
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:29:00 -
[215]
*snip* Stay on topic - Karass Sayfo
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CrispyKritters
Caldari
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:31:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Magritz
Good recruiting thread. Where do I sign up?
Give me :10bux:
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Svaha Norbu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:31:00 -
[217]
Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 01/06/2007 02:31:18
Let's not get this thread locked again ok?
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Magritz
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:37:00 -
[218]
*snip* Stay on topic - Karass Sayfo
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:37:00 -
[219]
Edited by: DarkMatter on 01/06/2007 02:36:59
Quote:
We obviously weren't cut out to be e-BFF's but you really need to get a grip and realize that in such a vast universe of opportunities there's more than one valid way to play the game
Do you consider acting like a **** every minute you play other games valid?
What if you sit down to play a board game with your family?
What if you're playing something with your GF or wife?
I doubt you would think it valid to play like that in those instances, as you'd soon find you no longer have a family who wants to be near you, and lose anyone who cared about you...
Now because it's an MMO, and it's on-line where you don't have to face ppl, you think playing the ahole persona 100% of the time is valid and good for the game... That's fine if you're a pirate playing within the rules & moral guidlines of decent play. However, time & time again GS croses those lines, lines you would never have the balls to cross in RL situations while facing another human being, which makes your on-line bravado even more pathetic...
This goes beyond simply playing as a pirate, grifing or even exploiting... Trying to **** with others play, CCP and the forums is way out of line, and if you are proud of those actions, you really are not mature enough to play an MMO...
I wish I was going to fanfest to face some of you people IRL, I'd be interested to talk to some of you face to face...
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:41:00 -
[220]
Originally by: DarkMatter
Edited by: DarkMatter on 01/06/2007 02:36:59
Quote:
We obviously weren't cut out to be e-BFF's but you really need to get a grip and realize that in such a vast universe of opportunities there's more than one valid way to play the game
Do you consider acting like a **** every minute you play other games valid?
What if you sit down to play a board game with your family?
What if you're playing something with your GF or wife?
I doubt you would think it valid to play like that in those instances, as you'd soon find you no longer have a family who wants to be near you, and lose anyone who cared about you...
Now because it's an MMO, and it's on-line where you don't have to face ppl, you think playing the ahole persona 100% of the time is valid and good for the game... That's fine if you're a pirate playing within the rules & moral guidlines of decent play. However, time & time again GS croses those lines, lines you would never have the balls to cross in RL situations while facing another human being, which makes your on-line bravado even more pathetic...
This goes beyond simply playing as a pirate, grifing or even exploiting... Trying to **** with others play, CCP and the forums is way out of line, and if you are proud of those actions, you really are not mature enough to play an MMO...
I wish I was going to fanfest to face some of you people IRL, I'd be interested to talk to some of you face to face...
Guys look you are only allowed to have fun this way ok otherwise get out. When CCP calls Eve a universe of infinite possibilities they actually only mean one.
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Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:42:00 -
[221]
Edited by: TrevorReznik on 01/06/2007 02:41:42
I saw this thread and immediately fell in love to the point that I began travelling to KZF to join Goonfleet. I PMed Remedial about joining but now I haven't heard anything back from you and I feel like my chances are slipping away, especially with certain people in my current corp PM'ing you telling you lies about me involving Sexually Transmitted Diseases.
Please consider what a great guy you are depriving this lovely corp of.
My roommates hate me and I hate them!
I make fun of my mentally handicapped cousins!
I'm successful enough to own this shirt which ****es people off when I wear it!
http://www.threadless.com/product/844/Spoilt
I hate my roommate's cats, and hit them when they get near me, so they now have scars where they are missing their fur.
200m ISK and a Raven if you can introduce me to your recruiting officer! Others have expressed willingness to contribute too!
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CrispyKritters
Caldari
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:44:00 -
[222]
*snip* trolling and stay on topic - Karass Sayfo
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:45:00 -
[223]
Originally by: DarkMatter
Edited by: DarkMatter on 01/06/2007 02:36:59
Quote:
We obviously weren't cut out to be e-BFF's but you really need to get a grip and realize that in such a vast universe of opportunities there's more than one valid way to play the game
Do you consider acting like a **** every minute you play other games valid?
What if you sit down to play a board game with your family?
What if you're playing something with your GF or wife?
I doubt you would think it valid to play like that in those instances, as you'd soon find you no longer have a family who wants to be near you, and lose anyone who cared about you...
Now because it's an MMO, and it's on-line where you don't have to face ppl, you think playing the ahole persona 100% of the time is valid and good for the game... That's fine if you're a pirate playing within the rules & moral guidlines of decent play. However, time & time again GS croses those lines, lines you would never have the balls to cross in RL situations while facing another human being, which makes your on-line bravado even more pathetic...
This goes beyond simply playing as a pirate, grifing or even exploiting... Trying to **** with others play, CCP and the forums is way out of line, and if you are proud of those actions, you really are not mature enough to play an MMO...
I wish I was going to fanfest to face some of you people IRL, I'd be interested to talk to some of you face to face...
I don't know how you play Monopoly but generally I try to take everything from the competition, with no interludes for ratting or exploration.
You still haven't explained how those vile goonies are somehow ethically reprehensible in comparison with the average pirate, you've just made a bunch of ridiculous and generalized assertions that we're entirely devoted to acting like ****s. I don't even understand what you're talking about when you say "trying to **** with other players." The only way we can **** with you is ingame, in the same way that thousands of other PvPers **** with you.
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:47:00 -
[224]
Quote:
Maybe you should take the stick out of the rear end and learn to separate real life and "internet life/virtual life"
Intentionally crashing a game forum is not real life enough for you?
This has nothing to do with being a bad guy in an MMO, and all about being idiots IRL trying to mess up a game companies product because you want to act like children...
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CrispyKritters
Caldari
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:49:00 -
[225]
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 02:51:38
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
Maybe you should take the stick out of the rear end and learn to separate real life and "internet life/virtual life"
Intentionally crashing a game forum is not real life enough for you?
This has nothing to do with being a bad guy in an MMO, and all about being idiots IRL trying to mess up a game companies product because you want to act like children...
Obviously everything on the internet is true.
Those evil goonies, how dare they attack CCP with DDOS/HAX0R/HAX IP ADDRESS/SPAM/PHISH attacks, I won't have none of that!
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:50:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Vitaki
You misinterpret goon humor. It's so meta that people completely miss that fact. Using a ton of foul and racist language is in actuality poking fun at people who find that offensive. Why should you be offended by black or Jewish people using their own racist language at themselves. Or other people using it against them, when it is all in good humor with no real bite.
The hatred that arises aimed at goons for using this language when it really carries no real weight (arguing on the Internet etc.) is hilarious. As is the outrage that people can feel because of it. If you just roll with the punches you find that there is nothing of substance when a stranger is yelling at you over the internet, and especially visa versa.
So Meta...
Thats got to be about the most pathetic excuse for being a racist homophobe I've ever seen.
I don't think there is any misinterpreting how those words make some people feel. Doing it to get a rise out of people on the internet doesn't change the fact that doing it at all makes you a racist/homophobe/anti-whoever else your "humor" insults.
Whether you like it or not...
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:50:00 -
[227]
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
Maybe you should take the stick out of the rear end and learn to separate real life and "internet life/virtual life"
Intentionally crashing a game forum is not real life enough for you?
This has nothing to do with being a bad guy in an MMO, and all about being idiots IRL trying to mess up a game companies product because you want to act like children...
The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal.
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Vasant
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:51:00 -
[228]
Title of thread is misleading.
1) ex-ascn, ex-lv, soon to be bob pubbie - not a goon
2) director of ultrapolite socialites, a goonswarm member corp. has absolutely no power or influence in the day to day of goonswarm. would be laughed at, mocked, etc by the majority of goonfleet proper.
Everything you posted is no more than a poorly disguised flame than any bitter pubbie with spacegbs access could conjure with a misleading title so someone might actually read your wall of words.
If this thread was about anyone other than goonswarm it would be deleted on grounds of trolling, out of game content, flaming, not being in CoAD, etc, etc..
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sesanti
Minmatar
Universal Exports
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:52:00 -
[229]
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
Maybe you should take the stick out of the rear end and learn to separate real life and "internet life/virtual life"
Intentionally crashing a game forum is not real life enough for you?
This has nothing to do with being a bad guy in an MMO, and all about being idiots IRL trying to mess up a game companies product because you want to act like children...
Well said. Goons are a cancer for this game. They dont want to have fun, their fun is destroying CCP and everything we care and love.
We should wipe them out of the game. NOW and for good!
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:56:00 -
[230]
Edited by: DarkMatter on 01/06/2007 03:01:37
Quote:
The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal.
Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face...
Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it...
Look, I don't even play anymore, I just have a few days left on my sub. I see this game in it's current state, and the path the playerbase is headed. And after being here since beta, it really sucks to see what's going on...
I know it's just a game, but man, 4 years of ppl you meet on-line is not just a game man...
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CrispyKritters
Caldari
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:56:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
So Meta...
Thats got to be about the most pathetic excuse for being a racist homophobe I've ever seen.
I don't think there is any misinterpreting how those words make some people feel. Doing it to get a rise out of people on the internet doesn't change the fact that doing it at all makes you a racist/homophobe/anti-whoever else your "humor" insults.
Whether you like it or not...
Obviously posting about logoffskis, Russian complex hoggers, Chinese Isk Farmers is done with the best intentions in mind because they're in third world countries, they have to play eve to support their family.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:57:00 -
[232]
*snip* discussing moderation - Karass Sayfo
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:58:00 -
[233]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 02:57:40
Originally by: Vasant
Title of thread is misleading.
1) ex-ascn, ex-lv, soon to be bob pubbie - not a goon
Sry, not a pubbie.
Originally by: Vasant
2) director of ultrapolite socialites, a goonswarm member corp.
Never said any differently 1) A Recruitment Director; 2) Last I checked Goonswarm still under my name.
Originally by: Vasant
has absolutely no power or influence in the day to day of goonswarm.
never said I did.
Originally by: Vasant
would be laughed at, mocked, etc by the majority of goonfleet proper.
rly? don't think so. I had GF members refer folks to me for recruitment, and had other GS members in other GS corps convo me about joining LOVEU.
Originally by: Vasant
Everything you posted is no more than a poorly disguised flame than any bitter pubbie with spacegbs access could conjure with a misleading title so someone might actually read your wall of words.
yeah, well, whatever.
Originally by: Vasant
If this thread was about anyone other than goonswarm it would be deleted on grounds of trolling, out of game content, flaming, not being in CoAD, etc, etc.
Actually, if you read closely, I actually do talk about many other issues besides just Goons. Check it out.
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sesanti
Minmatar
Universal Exports
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:58:00 -
[234]
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal.
Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face...
Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it...
Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do.
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Coniglietta Magica
Guys With Strippers
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:59:00 -
[235]
Ele, we have missed you buddy. Chat us up and at least chill with us for a bit ;)
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HUGO DRAX
DRAX INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:59:00 -
[236]
Thanks for posting this, They do not represent the kind of player I would want to associate with. They should go back to WoW. It seems like this would be the best place for them or Xbox360 live games.
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CrispyKritters
Caldari
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.01 02:59:00 -
[237]
*snip* replying to moderated post - Karass Sayfo
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:00:00 -
[238]
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal.
Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face...
Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it...
Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do.
The guy obviously doesn't like goons too much- why would he lie about this point?
Or are you only believing the anti-goon parts and ignoring the ones that break your assumptions?
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:00:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Coniglietta Magica
Ele, we have missed you buddy. Chat us up and at least chill with us for a bit ;)
CONI!!! Yo bro. I'll be popping into the channel to hang with you for sure and say hi all round.
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Obron Mettlo
Minmatar
Black Omega Security
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:04:00 -
[240]
Originally by: DarkMatter
Do you consider acting like a **** every minute you play other games valid?
I enjoy being the biggest **** possible in other games. Shooting my team-mates, flash-banging my team, killing hostages, ninja-looting. Anything for a laugh. I play games for entertainment.
As to your question about board games with family, my grandfather would send me to my room if I didn't sell him the properties he wanted in Monopoly.
Maybe it's genetic.
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sesanti
Minmatar
Universal Exports
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:05:00 -
[241]
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal.
Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face...
Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it...
Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do.
The guy obviously doesn't like goons too much- why would he lie about this point?
Or are you only believing the anti-goon parts and ignoring the ones that break your assumptions?
"The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal."
That was said by Snowden Vel... and who i was referring that was lying. Read his past posts.
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<I am a guy... don't mind the portrait> |
Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:06:00 -
[242]
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:06:57
Ultrapolite Socialites
Member of GoonSwarm since 2006.07.20
official website
HI!
Ultrapolite Socialites consists of 59 members
Does being a director of a 59 member corp really count as being a director in the 4000 person entity that is Goonswarm?
Real question
Edit: Might as well be a member of the next Corp in goonswarm:
"Man Train Inc.
Member of GoonSwarm since 2006.08.24
official website
I am the way into the doleful city,I am the way into eternal grief,I am the way to a forsaken race.Abandon all hope, ye who climb aboard, for I am THE MAN TRAIN.
Man Train Inc. consists of 8 members" 
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:07:00 -
[243]
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal.
Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face...
Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it...
Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do.
The guy obviously doesn't like goons too much- why would he lie about this point?
Or are you only believing the anti-goon parts and ignoring the ones that break your assumptions?
"The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal."
That was said by Snowden Vel... and who i was referring that was lying. Read his past posts.
YOU read the OP for the answer to this.
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DiuxDium
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:08:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Ultrapolite Socialites
Member of GoonSwarm since 2006.07.20
official website
HI!
Ultrapolite Socialites consists of 59 members
Does being a director of a 59 member corp really count as being a director in the 4000 person entity that is Goonswarm?
Real question
The answer is yes.
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mynnna
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:08:00 -
[245]
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal.
Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face...
Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it...
Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do.
Lets apply a little critical thinking, shall we? If the goal is to get information out into the open, then causing the medium through which that information is conveyed to become inoperable is definitely the best way to do it, right?
(Hint: Its sarcasm.)
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:10:00 -
[246]
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:09:11
Originally by: DiuxDium
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Ultrapolite Socialites
Member of GoonSwarm since 2006.07.20
official website
HI!
Ultrapolite Socialites consists of 59 members
Does being a director of a 59 member corp really count as being a director in the 4000 person entity that is Goonswarm?
Real question
The answer is yes.
If we're adhering to the strict definitions of the words and ignoring the spirit, I guess you're right. Does the OP make it read like he was the recruitment director for the entire alliance in the OP? Go back and see.
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sesanti
Minmatar
Universal Exports
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:11:00 -
[247]
Originally by: mynnna
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal.
Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face...
Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it...
Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do.
Lets apply a little critical thinking, shall we? If the goal is to get information out into the open, then causing the medium through which that information is conveyed to become inoperable is definitely the best way to do it, right?
(Hint: Its sarcasm.)
Exactly, I am saying the idea here on EVE forums was not get the information out into the open but to spam EVE forums. Some threads here would have done it. Not THOUSANDS when EVE forums shows up to 30 or so per page.
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Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:12:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Obron Mettlo
Originally by: DarkMatter
Do you consider acting like a **** every minute you play other games valid?
I enjoy being the biggest **** possible in other games. Shooting my team-mates, flash-banging my team, killing hostages, ninja-looting. Anything for a laugh. I play games for entertainment.
As to your question about board games with family, my grandfather would send me to my room if I didn't sell him the properties he wanted in Monopoly.
Maybe it's genetic.
Games are for engaging in activites that can't be engaged in in real life. We enjoy games because they provide stimuli and opportunities that the day to day grind doesn't.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:13:00 -
[249]
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:13:27
Originally by: sesanti
Exactly, I am saying the idea here on EVE forums was not get the information out into the open but to spam EVE forums. Some threads here would have done it. Not THOUSANDS when EVE forums shows up to 30 or so per page.
Read the OP, who you can believe over the dozens of goonfleeters who have said this same thing: They spammed the forum after CCP tried to censor them by deleting all references to the allegations.
Did it work in getting information where normal methods failed? Did it succeed in opening community dialogue?
The kind of people who believe this is a bad thing probably also believe that Americans questioning the motivation and planning of the Iraq war were unpatriotic because they 'hurt the troops.'
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Tabouli
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:14:00 -
[250]
Hey wait is it
1) All goons are prejudiced cancers on society and should be outcast and hated by everyone.
or is it
2) Prejudice is bad and people shouldn't hate others simply because they belong to a certain social group.
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Janu Hull
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Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:14:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Cringeley
Edited by: Cringeley on 31/05/2007 23:15:58
You have to ask yourself where this play style came from.
Goonfleet, and previously the individuals who founded goonfleet, have been getting shat on by Eve's so-called community from the time they joined. They were victims of Istvaan Shogatsu. Then goonfleet was formed and started getting wailed on by the entire population of Syndicate, and then D2.
After fighting ourselves to exhaustion in XZH we faced a grudge war from BoB aimed at making us give up and quit the game, which your precious LV decided to follow up by sending elite gankers into our space to kill our newbies in their ospreys.
So if you want to know why there is a hint of bitterness and hate in our rhetoric (but only in our rhetoric) this is why: Because Eve's "community" is a hate filled, cruel, miserable "community" and it has taught us well.
Alright, I'll bite. So why return the favor on noobs? If you've got a beef with the Alliances because they have it coming, give it to them without vaseline or a reacharound. Why hammer on the noobs who are in much the same position you were in once? Doesn't that put you right up there with the idjits you're avenging yourself upon?
Just for the record, I'm neither here nor there about the Goons. I've had one encounter with Goonfleet, and while y'all kicked my ass, I did enjoy the fight and got a laugh out of it because y'all used Cormorants to do it (I've got a small place in my heart for'em).
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sesanti
Minmatar
Universal Exports
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:14:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Originally by: Obron Mettlo
Originally by: DarkMatter
Do you consider acting like a **** every minute you play other games valid?
I enjoy being the biggest **** possible in other games. Shooting my team-mates, flash-banging my team, killing hostages, ninja-looting. Anything for a laugh. I play games for entertainment.
As to your question about board games with family, my grandfather would send me to my room if I didn't sell him the properties he wanted in Monopoly.
Maybe it's genetic.
Games are for engaging in activites that can't be engaged in in real life. We enjoy games because they provide stimuli and opportunities that the day to day grind doesn't.
Acting like an ******* ingame within the defined rules of this world is ok (for instance, pirating or even corp thieving which is quite frowned upon).
Trying to discredit the company and destroy the game from outside when you are losing is another complete different thing. If you had BOB by the throat you would have never done this stuff.
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DiuxDium
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:15:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:09:11
Originally by: DiuxDium
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Ultrapolite Socialites
Member of GoonSwarm since 2006.07.20
official website
HI!
Ultrapolite Socialites consists of 59 members
Does being a director of a 59 member corp really count as being a director in the 4000 person entity that is Goonswarm?
Real question
The answer is yes.
If we're adhering to the strict definitions of the words and ignoring the spirit, I guess you're right. Does the OP make it read like he was the recruitment director for the entire alliance in the OP? Go back and see.
Yes, it does.
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:15:00 -
[254]
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: mynnna
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal.
Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face...
Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it...
Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do.
Lets apply a little critical thinking, shall we? If the goal is to get information out into the open, then causing the medium through which that information is conveyed to become inoperable is definitely the best way to do it, right?
(Hint: Its sarcasm.)
Exactly, I am saying the idea here on EVE forums was not get the information out into the open but to spam EVE forums. Some threads here would have done it. Not THOUSANDS when EVE forums shows up to 30 or so per page.
Only making one or two threads to get your message out totally works when CCP locks and deletes them within minutes of their opening. The threadnaught is a sad necessity brought on by CCP's inability to understand that customer relations isn't composed entirely of telling your customers to shut up and go away if they have a complaint.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:15:00 -
[255]
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:14:27
Originally by: Tabouli
Hey wait is it
1) All goons are prejudiced cancers on society and should be outcast and hated by everyone.
or is it
2) Prejudice is bad and people shouldn't hate others simply because they belong to a certain social group.
oh god euro-liberal dilemma
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sesanti
Minmatar
Universal Exports
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:15:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Originally by: sesanti
Exactly, I am saying the idea here on EVE forums was not get the information out into the open but to spam EVE forums. Some threads here would have done it. Not THOUSANDS when EVE forums shows up to 30 or so per page.
Read the OP, who you can believe over the dozens of goonfleeters who have said this same thing: They spammed the forum after CCP tried to censor them by deleting all references to the allegations.
I think the OP is wrong in that point. You see, i do not blindly believe what i am told, I form my own opinion. And what was seen on the forums and outside, I believe, was a real coordinated attack.
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Ska La
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:17:00 -
[257]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 31/05/2007 23:13:40
Originally by: Kiko Goatbiter
Originally by: Cooter Lik
Originally by: Stradiot
I wasn't even the target of your rage and my feelings got hurt.
Well, he is a pubbie afterall, he's not the cleverest at managing to direct his insults accurately.
Calling Dark Shikari a pubbie is an insult to pubbies everywhere.
Want irony?
I'm a goon.
Not in Goonfleet/Goonswarm, and not active any time recently, but I'm a goon.
I didn't register there under this name though, so you'll never know who
You're probably right. All you subforum Tentacle Warehouse mouth-breathing hentai anime Japanese fetishists all post the same.
We'll never know which one you are... or care.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:18:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:06:57
Ultrapolite Socialites
Member of GoonSwarm since 2006.07.20
official website
HI!
Ultrapolite Socialites consists of 59 members
Does being a director of a 59 member corp really count as being a director in the 4000 person entity that is Goonswarm?
Kind of odd, this ongoing fixation on me considering myself a Goonswarm Director. Almost as if that is really the only thing that can possibly be criticized -- if twisted properly. For the record, I used the term "Goon Director" to simply mean I am a director (of whatever kind) in Goonswarm. A fairly simply concept.
As a Recruitment director, I was given acccess to corp wallet, all BPOs, and gave input regarding the direction of corp (such as where I thought we needed to re-locate to).
Would it help to say I had been an FC at least one time? Okay, I was an FC one time. I helped coordinate the insertion of my 45-man gang that had been gathered in 77s, but unable to get into a very hostile 9-9 system. Gates were camped. I coordinated on channel-command TS how to get us into 9-9. Under heavy fire as various gangs (hostile and friendly were engaging), our gang jumped safely into the target system, and got to the POS without losing a single ship -- even though we were all doomsday's by BoB. The gang under me dubbed us all the Lucky 77s and all said they'd be glad to fly under me again.
So, okay, fair enough? Satisfied. And no, I did not on a daily basis run Goonswarm or help run Goonswarm. My directorship was limited to corp responsibilities.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:18:00 -
[259]
Originally by: sesanti
Acting like an ******* ingame within the defined rules of this world is ok (for instance, pirating or even corp thieving which is quite frowned upon).
Trying to discredit the company and destroy the game from outside when you are losing is another complete different thing. If you had BOB by the throat you would have never done this stuff.
I submit that they would have, because they want the game to prosper, instead of continuing at an uneven, unfair status quo. Where's your proof? I don't have any. This is all unfounded opinion based on previous bias. I'm going to trust me, because I can type better than you and I don't blindly trust authority.
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sesanti
Minmatar
Universal Exports
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:18:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Sir Lolle
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: mynnna
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal.
Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face...
Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it...
Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do.
Lets apply a little critical thinking, shall we? If the goal is to get information out into the open, then causing the medium through which that information is conveyed to become inoperable is definitely the best way to do it, right?
(Hint: Its sarcasm.)
Exactly, I am saying the idea here on EVE forums was not get the information out into the open but to spam EVE forums. Some threads here would have done it. Not THOUSANDS when EVE forums shows up to 30 or so per page.
Only making one or two threads to get your message out totally works when CCP locks and deletes them within minutes of their opening. The threadnaught is a sad necessity brought on by CCP's inability to understand that customer relations isn't composed entirely of telling your customers to shut up and go away if they have a complaint.
Ahh, it is correct because it was a bad necessity. Cool, I will go to the SA forums and post 4000 threads on it so i can convey a message efficiently, if i am not taking seriously on my initial post.
And then whine if they want to sue me for spamming the forums and making them unreadable. After all, i was a bad necessity.
/sarcasm off
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GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:19:00 -
[261]
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal.
Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face...
Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it...
Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do.
The guy obviously doesn't like goons too much- why would he lie about this point?
Or are you only believing the anti-goon parts and ignoring the ones that break your assumptions?
"The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal."
That was said by Snowden Vel... and who i was referring that was lying. Read his past posts.
What purpose would bringing down the forums serve us? Without the forums people can't read the message, if people don't read the message then the chance of a coverup is still possible.
That said there is no grand Goons vs CCP conspiracy. Friday night on a 3 day weekend was just when the **** hit the fan on our forums about DS1 and we decided to go post about it. Actually there were posts in our director section about waiting until Monday or Tuesday for better exposure but we decided to go with it because we have pretty short attention sp..hey lets go ride bikes.
In general we love EVE, it has the best PVP hands down of any game on the market. The industrial side is something to behold as well, from production to moon mining to trading the market there is so much to do vs the rigid put tab A into slot A "industry" you get on most MMO games.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:19:00 -
[262]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:06:57
Ultrapolite Socialites
Member of GoonSwarm since 2006.07.20
official website
HI!
Ultrapolite Socialites consists of 59 members
Does being a director of a 59 member corp really count as being a director in the 4000 person entity that is Goonswarm?
Kind of odd, this ongoing fixation on me considering myself a Goonswarm Director. Almost as if that is really the only thing that can possibly be criticized -- if twisted properly. For the record, I used the term "Goon Director" to simply mean I am a director (of whatever kind) in Goonswarm. A fairly simply concept.
As a Recruitment director, I was given acccess to corp wallet, all BPOs, and gave input regarding the direction of corp (such as where I thought we needed to re-locate to).
Would it help to say I had been an FC at least one time? Okay, I was an FC one time. I helped coordinate the insertion of my 45-man gang that had been gathered in 77s, but unable to get into a very hostile 9-9 system. Gates were camped. I coordinated on channel-command TS how to get us into 9-9. Under heavy fire as various gangs (hostile and friendly were engaging), our gang jumped safely into the target system, and got to the POS without losing a single ship -- even though we were all doomsday's by BoB. The gang under me dubbed us all the Lucky 77s and all said they'd be glad to fly under me again.
So, okay, fair enough? Satisfied. And no, I did not on a daily basis run Goonswarm or help run Goonswarm. My directorship was limited to corp responsibilities.
I'm not a goonfleeter; I have no interest in discrediting you. The unclear nature of your post was self-aggrandizing and suspect, especially given your extreme verbosity in every other tiny detail. Thanks for the clarification.
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:21:00 -
[263]
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:21:00 -
[264]
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:20:58
Originally by: sesanti
Ahh, it is correct because it was a bad necessity. Cool, I will go to the SA forums and post 4000 threads on it so i can convey a message efficiently, if i am not taking seriously on my initial post.
And then whine if they want to sue me for spamming the forums and making them unreadable. After all, i was a bad necessity.
/sarcasm off
If you had the capacity and you saw a serious issue of corruption that you couldn't get into the public eye any other way, that would be within your rights.
PS- I still value your opinions less because you don't know how to use English properly.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:24:00 -
[265]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 03:28:07
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 03:27:01
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
If we're adhering to the strict definitions of the words and ignoring the spirit, I guess you're right. Does the OP make it read like he was the recruitment director for the entire alliance in the OP? Go back and see.
Well, goodness, if that's all that's bugging you, then I'll go in and make sure, right up front that it says I am the director for Ultrapolite Socialites. On my way now to make the post perfectly acceptable to you. Thnaks for the heads-up. I'm always open to constructive criticism.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:24:00 -
[266]
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:23:27
Originally by: Terket
Honestly guys, what did you all expect?
How's being banished from your traditional recruiting grounds on Something Awful treating you?
It's bannable to post about EVE anywhere but a tiny, flaming, meta-humor forum on Something Awful now.
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CrispyKritters
Caldari
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:24:00 -
[267]
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 03:25:06
Originally by: sesanti
Ahh, it is correct because it was a bad necessity. Cool, I will go to the SA forums and post 4000 threads on it so i can convey a message efficiently, if i am not taking seriously on my initial post.
And then whine if they want to sue me for spamming the forums and making them unreadable. After all, i was a bad necessity.
/sarcasm off
Obviously we organized 1000s of people to post and we're liable for getting sued out of millions.
Why don't you cancel your accounts because you're cause lag in eve and its disrupting my gameplay
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:23:27
Originally by: Terket
Honestly guys, what did you all expect?
How's being banished from your traditional recruiting grounds on Something Awful treating you?
It's bannable to post about EVE anywhere but a tiny, flaming, meta-humor forum on Something Awful now.
Quite well now because all I could do was post about Eve on SA but they banned me.
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sesanti
Minmatar
Universal Exports
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:25:00 -
[268]
*snip* please remain on-topic - Karass Sayfo
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Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:25:00 -
[269]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
If we're adhering to the strict definitions of the words and ignoring the spirit, I guess you're right. Does the OP make it read like he was the recruitment director for the entire alliance in the OP? Go back and see.
Well, goodness, if that's all that's bugging you, then I'll go in and make sure, right up front that it says I am the director for Ultrapolite Socialites. On my way now to make the post perfectly acceptable to you. Thnaks for the heads-up. I'm always open to constructive criticism.
Thanks
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:26:00 -
[270]
*snip* stay on topic - Karass Sayfo
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Hanns Choibman
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:27:00 -
[271]
Edited by: Hanns Choibman on 01/06/2007 03:26:03
I'm pretty keen to go ride bikes
- hay let's go ride bikes, seriously.
Thats what this thread is about right? I'm keen as beans to ride bikes.
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Urikko
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:27:00 -
[272]
Edited by: Urikko on 01/06/2007 03:29:19
Are you that gimp that begged and begged to get into GS until a very drunk Lenny Lowcut forced you to sing on TS and out of sympathy let you in? Oh yeah, you are.
Who cares if you leave, we never cared if you liked us. Get out spy.
PS. LOVEU should be kicked out of GS if they allowed you director roles. Because seriously, who didn't this douchebag was a spy?
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:27:00 -
[273]
I can confirm that most of what Eleuthereus is pretty spot on.
Except for him being a GoonSwarm director, that's simply him not understanding what a director is, so bear with him.
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:28:00 -
[274]
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:23:27
Originally by: Terket
Honestly guys, what did you all expect?
How's being banished from your traditional recruiting grounds on Something Awful treating you?
It's bannable to post about EVE anywhere but a tiny, flaming, meta-humor forum on Something Awful now.
I dunno, man. "Games" has always been a cesspool, so I never really hung out there. I'm more of an A/T troll. Or TGD. It's cool, eleuthereus didn't ever really seem like a good fit for GS. No hard feelings, more targets or whatever the latest GF :eve-o: catchphrase is. Also:
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:31:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Terket
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:23:27
Originally by: Terket
Honestly guys, what did you all expect?
How's being banished from your traditional recruiting grounds on Something Awful treating you?
It's bannable to post about EVE anywhere but a tiny, flaming, meta-humor forum on Something Awful now.
I dunno, man. "Games" has always been a cesspool, so I never really hung out there. I'm more of an A/T troll. Or TGD. It's cool, eleuthereus didn't ever really seem like a good fit for GS. No hard feelings, more targets or whatever the latest GF :eve-o: catchphrase is. Also:
Yeah, it doesn't really matter except for recruitment. I don't know how many people you get on a weekly basis now, but the brand new folks aren't going to be reading your exploits anymore. Will it be a big issue? How far can you attrit people before it becomes a problem?
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:31:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Urikko
Are you that gimp that begged and begged to get into GS until a very drunk Lenny Lowcut forced you to sing on TS and out of sympathy let you in? Oh yeah, you are.
Actually, I'm not - you must be thinking about someone else. Read the OP. There was another guy who sang too a few days before me, I believe.
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:32:00 -
[277]
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
So Meta...
Thats got to be about the most pathetic excuse for being a racist homophobe I've ever seen.
I don't think there is any misinterpreting how those words make some people feel. Doing it to get a rise out of people on the internet doesn't change the fact that doing it at all makes you a racist/homophobe/anti-whoever else your "humor" insults.
Whether you like it or not...
Obviously posting about logoffskis, Russian complex hoggers, Chinese Isk Farmers is done with the best intentions in mind because they're in third world countries, they have to play eve to support their family.
Stereotypes are stereotypes. None of those have the weight of history the other epithets in play here have. Maybe your bloated, ignorant, mollycoddled first-world upbringing prohibit you from cognizing this.
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Urikko
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:32:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Terket
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:23:27
Originally by: Terket
Honestly guys, what did you all expect?
How's being banished from your traditional recruiting grounds on Something Awful treating you?
It's bannable to post about EVE anywhere but a tiny, flaming, meta-humor forum on Something Awful now.
I dunno, man. "Games" has always been a cesspool, so I never really hung out there. I'm more of an A/T troll. Or TGD. It's cool, eleuthereus didn't ever really seem like a good fit for GS. No hard feelings, more targets or whatever the latest GF :eve-o: catchphrase is. Also:
There is a games forum on SA?? Aren't we all FYAD superstars?
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Treylis
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:32:00 -
[279]
Originally by: Guillaume Yu
Why don't you come over to A-Z in Syndicate, you know where that is where the Goons were chased from. Or I could come to Omist, but you were chased from there too.[:(
Yeah, man, goons were totally run out of A-Z in Syndicate, I was there, it was a massacre.
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:32:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Originally by: Terket
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:23:27
Originally by: Terket
Honestly guys, what did you all expect?
How's being banished from your traditional recruiting grounds on Something Awful treating you?
It's bannable to post about EVE anywhere but a tiny, flaming, meta-humor forum on Something Awful now.
I dunno, man. "Games" has always been a cesspool, so I never really hung out there. I'm more of an A/T troll. Or TGD. It's cool, eleuthereus didn't ever really seem like a good fit for GS. No hard feelings, more targets or whatever the latest GF :eve-o: catchphrase is. Also:
Yeah, it doesn't really matter except for recruitment. I don't know how many people you get on a weekly basis now, but the brand new folks aren't going to be reading your exploits anymore. Will it be a big issue? How far can you attrit people before it becomes a problem?
I give us two weeks, tops.
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Kvarium Ki
legion of qui
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:32:00 -
[281]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Interesting, now you attack your own? Perfect.
And it is odd that so many GS seem miffed by this post.
1. As I said, my post was actually my last act as a Recruitment Director, informing Eve of what GS is like so that: a) those interested in being a**holes can go where they are appreciated; and b)those not interested can avoid GS -- and not get scammed by giving ISK to any GS member who says they can join for XXXmillion ISK.
2. I have said nothing that they themselves have not already stated, and stated with great pride, I might add. I simply put it all in context, the context of my life in 0.0.
3. I am not crying about anything. Simply expressed I don't share in the typical Goon sense of humor, right vs. wrong perceptions, and definition of "fun." Not really crying, is it?
Ok so, I made it to page 5.
When I first read your post I was like "i hate these goons".
Then I read the goons replies, they really are a funny bunch. I kind of like them now.
Then I read your reply on page 5 and tought "Ok the first post was good but you can shut the **** up now."
Kind of weird in a strange way.
KK.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:32:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
I can confirm that most of what Eleuthereus is pretty spot on. Except for him being a GoonSwarm director, that's simply him not understanding what a director is, so bear with him.
Well, I know what a director is, but I phrased it badly. My apologies. It has been edited now to be more clear upfront in first post.
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Urikko
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:33:00 -
[283]
Edited by: Urikko on 01/06/2007 03:32:35
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Urikko
Are you that gimp that begged and begged to get into GS until a very drunk Lenny Lowcut forced you to sing on TS and out of sympathy let you in? Oh yeah, you are.
Actually, I'm not - you must be thinking about someone else. Read the OP. There was another guy who sang too a few days before me, I believe.
You are still a douchebag.
And this is the title of your thread of the GF forums "SINGING SPY LEAVES". So are you a liar and douchebag or just a douchebag?
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:33:00 -
[284]
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: Sir Lolle
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: mynnna
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal.
Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face...
Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it...
Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do.
Lets apply a little critical thinking, shall we? If the goal is to get information out into the open, then causing the medium through which that information is conveyed to become inoperable is definitely the best way to do it, right?
(Hint: Its sarcasm.)
Exactly, I am saying the idea here on EVE forums was not get the information out into the open but to spam EVE forums. Some threads here would have done it. Not THOUSANDS when EVE forums shows up to 30 or so per page.
Only making one or two threads to get your message out totally works when CCP locks and deletes them within minutes of their opening. The threadnaught is a sad necessity brought on by CCP's inability to understand that customer relations isn't composed entirely of telling your customers to shut up and go away if they have a complaint.
Ahh, it is correct because it was a bad necessity. Cool, I will go to the SA forums and post 4000 threads on it so i can convey a message efficiently, if i am not taking seriously on my initial post.
And then whine if they want to sue me for spamming the forums and making them unreadable. After all, i was a bad necessity.
/sarcasm off
That is such a great analogy I do not know where to start. When CCP locks your threads, censors your posts, threatens to ban you when you petition and asks you to stop wasting their time when you email them you really do not have that many options.
But whatev it's all the goons fault la~
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:34:00 -
[285]
Edited by: Sir Lolle on 01/06/2007 03:33:57
Originally by: Terket
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Originally by: Terket
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:23:27
Originally by: Terket
Honestly guys, what did you all expect?
How's being banished from your traditional recruiting grounds on Something Awful treating you?
It's bannable to post about EVE anywhere but a tiny, flaming, meta-humor forum on Something Awful now.
I dunno, man. "Games" has always been a cesspool, so I never really hung out there. I'm more of an A/T troll. Or TGD. It's cool, eleuthereus didn't ever really seem like a good fit for GS. No hard feelings, more targets or whatever the latest GF :eve-o: catchphrase is. Also:
Yeah, it doesn't really matter except for recruitment. I don't know how many people you get on a weekly basis now, but the brand new folks aren't going to be reading your exploits anymore. Will it be a big issue? How far can you attrit people before it becomes a problem?
I give us two weeks, tops.
Didn't you hear there are no Goons BoB is camping us into our stations in Syndicate we'll be dead in a matter of days.
Edit: They have to run out of frigs sometime
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:34:00 -
[286]
Originally by: Urikko
Originally by: Terket
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:23:27
Originally by: Terket
Honestly guys, what did you all expect?
How's being banished from your traditional recruiting grounds on Something Awful treating you?
It's bannable to post about EVE anywhere but a tiny, flaming, meta-humor forum on Something Awful now.
I dunno, man. "Games" has always been a cesspool, so I never really hung out there. I'm more of an A/T troll. Or TGD. It's cool, eleuthereus didn't ever really seem like a good fit for GS. No hard feelings, more targets or whatever the latest GF :eve-o: catchphrase is. Also:
There is a games forum on SA?? Aren't we all FYAD superstars?
Yes. And then no. Only Epsilon, broham.
Eleuthereus: Was this your shining altruistic moment, to air our "dirty laundry" as it were? An honest question, I don't quite see the point. Everyone pretty much already knew, or had made up their minds.
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Whiskey Juvenile
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:35:00 -
[287]
itt i post about my experience as a goonfleet director
1) how I learned to kick other directors from teamspeak randomly
2) itt i post on eveo
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CrispyKritters
Caldari
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:36:00 -
[288]
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 03:40:32
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
Stereotypes are stereotypes. None of those have the weight of history the other epithets in play here have. Maybe your bloated, ignorant, mollycoddled first-world upbringing prohibit you from cognizing this.
:psyduck: did you just argue about stereotypes by stereotyping?
:pandoras box:
Obviously African Americans, Jews, Gypies, whoever else have all suffered more then Russians or Chinese, heck they're commies, they aren't even people.
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:36:00 -
[289]
Originally by: Sir Lolle
Edited by: Sir Lolle on 01/06/2007 03:33:52
Originally by: Terket
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Originally by: Terket
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:23:27
Originally by: Terket
Honestly guys, what did you all expect?
How's being banished from your traditional recruiting grounds on Something Awful treating you?
It's bannable to post about EVE anywhere but a tiny, flaming, meta-humor forum on Something Awful now.
I dunno, man. "Games" has always been a cesspool, so I never really hung out there. I'm more of an A/T troll. Or TGD. It's cool, eleuthereus didn't ever really seem like a good fit for GS. No hard feelings, more targets or whatever the latest GF :eve-o: catchphrase is. Also:
Yeah, it doesn't really matter except for recruitment. I don't know how many people you get on a weekly basis now, but the brand new folks aren't going to be reading your exploits anymore. Will it be a big issue? How far can you attrit people before it becomes a problem?
I give us two weeks, tops.
Didn't you hear there are no Goons BoB is camping us into our stations in Syndicate we'll be dead in a matter of days.
Edit: They have to run out of frigs sometime
SGBS is worse than BYOB, so I never hear about any of this stuff until like a month after it happens, and Degaaaaaaaaaaal posts a thread about it in Epsilon.
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:36:00 -
[290]
Originally by: Terket
Originally by: Urikko
Originally by: Terket
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:23:27
Originally by: Terket
Honestly guys, what did you all expect?
How's being banished from your traditional recruiting grounds on Something Awful treating you?
It's bannable to post about EVE anywhere but a tiny, flaming, meta-humor forum on Something Awful now.
I dunno, man. "Games" has always been a cesspool, so I never really hung out there. I'm more of an A/T troll. Or TGD. It's cool, eleuthereus didn't ever really seem like a good fit for GS. No hard feelings, more targets or whatever the latest GF :eve-o: catchphrase is. Also:
There is a games forum on SA?? Aren't we all FYAD superstars?
Yes. And then no. Only Epsilon, broham.
Eleuthereus: Was this your shining altruistic moment, to air our "dirty laundry" as it were? An honest question, I don't quite see the point. Everyone pretty much already knew, or had made up their minds.
He has to clear his name so that he can get into BNC, obviously.
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Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:40:00 -
[291]
Edited by: Terket on 01/06/2007 03:40:00
Originally by: Sir Lolle
Originally by: Terket
Originally by: Urikko
Originally by: Terket
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:23:27
Originally by: Terket
Honestly guys, what did you all expect?
How's being banished from your traditional recruiting grounds on Something Awful treating you?
It's bannable to post about EVE anywhere but a tiny, flaming, meta-humor forum on Something Awful now.
I dunno, man. "Games" has always been a cesspool, so I never really hung out there. I'm more of an A/T troll. Or TGD. It's cool, eleuthereus didn't ever really seem like a good fit for GS. No hard feelings, more targets or whatever the latest GF :eve-o: catchphrase is. Also:
There is a games forum on SA?? Aren't we all FYAD superstars?
Yes. And then no. Only Epsilon, broham.
Eleuthereus: Was this your shining altruistic moment, to air our "dirty laundry" as it were? An honest question, I don't quite see the point. Everyone pretty much already knew, or had made up their minds.
He has to clear his name so that he can get into BNC, obviously.
I guess I don't see how making such a trite post that could be summarized as "Goons are a bunch of jerks, pubbies beware." could clear his name, unless BNC/BoB(by extension) is far less stringent in their recruiting procedures than advertised.
Edit: I mean, seriously. He was a in a member corp of the GoonSwarm alliance, and we're prone to forums attack. What if this is some colossal, orchestrated prankeapple, as we're all so (apparently) well-known for?
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GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:41:00 -
[292]
Originally by: Sir Lolle
He has to clear his name so that he can get into BNC, obviously.
Pfft no worries there, just MSN your buddy dev and have him clear the corp history. No goons shown = free ride into BoB!
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:41:00 -
[293]
Originally by: Sir Lolle
He has to clear his name so that he can get into BNC, obviously.
I don't really see why you think he would want to join BoB, those princes of space, with their wonderful gear and skillful fleet commanders. Their dedication and training are top notch and everything they do is military in precision. Why do you think this thread has anything to do with joining them?
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:42:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Urikko
Originally by: Sir Lolle
He has to clear his name so that he can get into BNC, obviously.
Pfft no worries there, just MSN your buddy dev and have him clear the corp history. No goons shown = free ride into BoB!
Wait, everyone Goons don't like has a Dev contact now?
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:43:00 -
[295]
Edited by: Erichk Knaar on 01/06/2007 03:44:22
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
Stereotypes are stereotypes. None of those have the weight of history the other epithets in play here have. Maybe your bloated, ignorant, mollycoddled first-world upbringing prohibit you from cognizing this.
:psyduck: did you just argue about stereotypes by stereotyping?
I wasn't arguing about stereotypes. They are what they are. I was commenting on the fact that the only people who think the word N****r is funny are Klansmen and bloated, ignorant, mollycoddled, first-world youth.
You edited, you sneaky goon.
No, obviously they haven't. However, the point stands. Chinese isk farmer is not the same as N****r...
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:43:00 -
[296]
Originally by: Terket
Eleuthereus: Was this your shining altruistic moment, to air our "dirty laundry" as it were? An honest question, I don't quite see the point. Everyone pretty much already knew, or had made up their minds.
Honest answer - the post pretty much gives all the various reasons for the post. Forums are filled with posts about people's experiences in Eve, from first ganks, to adventures in 0.0, to funniest moments. So, there you go. My experiences just happen to involve some fairly hot issues now. And I thought it'd all be not olny an interesting read, but a good release of my own thoughts and perceptions to the world And, I am verbose, because I simply love to write and I love detail.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:44:00 -
[297]
Edited by: Bippa on 01/06/2007 03:42:52
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Wait, everyone Goons don't like has a Dev contact now?
God, no wonder Goons hate pubbies, you are stupid.
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:44:00 -
[298]
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Originally by: Urikko
Originally by: Sir Lolle
He has to clear his name so that he can get into BNC, obviously.
Pfft no worries there, just MSN your buddy dev and have him clear the corp history. No goons shown = free ride into BoB!
Wait, everyone Goons don't like has a Dev contact now?
Yes. We all operate on the same persecution complex which is dictated from the powers that bee. (Get it, bees. GoonSwarm is a lot like a beehive, you see.)
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Svaha Norbu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:46:00 -
[299]
This thread is headed towards a lock if you guys don't stop feeding the trolls. Just sayin'
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:46:00 -
[300]
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
bloated, ignorant, mollycoddled, first-world youth.
This IS a big issue and I think a big part of the 'edgy' humor that goons are so fond of.
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:46:00 -
[301]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Terket
Eleuthereus: Was this your shining altruistic moment, to air our "dirty laundry" as it were? An honest question, I don't quite see the point. Everyone pretty much already knew, or had made up their minds.
Honest answer - the post pretty much gives all the various reasons for the post. Forums are filled with posts about people's experiences in Eve, from first ganks, to adventures in 0.0, to funniest moments. So, there you go. My experiences just happen to involve some fairly hot issues now. And I thought it'd all be not olny an interesting read, but a good release of my own thoughts and perceptions to the world And, I am verbose, because I simply love to write and I love detail.
Fair enough. I wasn't really referring to the entirety of the post. I was just amazed, really, at the amount of space taken up by what could have been a much more clear and concise point that, as suspected: Goons are *******s.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:48:00 -
[302]
Originally by: Bippa
Edited by: Bippa on 01/06/2007 03:42:52
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Wait, everyone Goons don't like has a Dev contact now?
God, no wonder Goons hate pubbies, you are stupid.
The unhappy smiley is meant to indicate my disbelief in the authenticity of the statement. I was attempting to imply that the joke was kind of bad because the "enemies=dev MSN lolololol" joke only really works on BoB, and not too well there.
Kill yourself.
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Adm Tecumseh
Caldari
The Templars Knights
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:48:00 -
[303]
What you need to keep in mind is that most of these guys are having fun. They really enjoy being idiotic. The get drunk and appoint the newest guy around to command them in battle. The find new and more creative ways to uselessly die. All then while they call themselves names. They constantly make fun of everything around them.
All the time I have spent reading their forums and flying in their gangs ( I am not telling you as who, I am not the singing spy) I have come to find that these guys for the most part just don't care about eve they care about having what they consider fun. So far this looks like a pro-goon post.
IT IS NOT.
They have a leadership core that is totally and completely rotten. The top of this pyramid scam has bilked billions of isk from the players, they have scammed the very people they claim to champion. They are corrupt and full of hate. They are racist, bigotted, and homophobic. The comments that are made are often repeated by much newer goons thinking that they are jokes, but they are not. They champion the use of crude pictures such as Will Smith stomping down the World Trade Centre or a man punching a woman as they enter court in their signatures.
But the worst thing about them is that they will find everything I said as a reason to get more crass and make more vile images. They feed of this like catfish on sewage.
They are sick, twisted and vile and it is tragic that most of the fun loving goons are falling head over heels in love with them.
I completely agree with what goonfleet does, It introduces noobs to 0.0 and fleet combat. It breaks them in and makes the game fun for people that have spent a month or 2 missioning in high sec and want to see something else. There is tons of room in eve for that part of goonfleet, But for4 the people at the top, it is only a matter of time before they really screw up in game or rl and are forced to leave.
I will sit back and continue to enjoy the antics of the lower level goons while despising and collecting the stupidity of the ones who believe that they are truely above the law and eula.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:48:00 -
[304]
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal.
Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face...
Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it...
Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do.
The guy obviously doesn't like goons too much- why would he lie about this point?
Or are you only believing the anti-goon parts and ignoring the ones that break your assumptions?
"The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal."
That was said by Snowden Vel... and who i was referring that was lying. Read his past posts.
I hate to interrupt your rambling and willful disregard of the firsthand experience of an anti-goon (who has gone to great length to air our dirty laundry), but you should be aware that we've threadnaughted several times before without bringing down the forums and had no reason to expect things would be any different this time around.
PS. Are you guys still living in that unpronounceable system in Molden Heath lowsec?
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:49:00 -
[305]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Terket
Eleuthereus: Was this your shining altruistic moment, to air our "dirty laundry" as it were? An honest question, I don't quite see the point. Everyone pretty much already knew, or had made up their minds.
Honest answer - the post pretty much gives all the various reasons for the post. Forums are filled with posts about people's experiences in Eve, from first ganks, to adventures in 0.0, to funniest moments. So, there you go. My experiences just happen to involve some fairly hot issues now. And I thought it'd all be not olny an interesting read, but a good release of my own thoughts and perceptions to the world And, I am verbose, because I simply love to write and I love detail.
I think you just like the attention.
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Thesas
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:50:00 -
[306]
I find it interesting that this post wasnÆt locked immediately.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:51:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Adm Tecumseh
What you need to keep in mind is that most of these guys are having fun. They really enjoy being idiotic. The get drunk and appoint the newest guy around to command them in battle. The find new and more creative ways to uselessly die. All then while they call themselves names. They constantly make fun of everything around them.
All the time I have spent reading their forums and flying in their gangs ( I am not telling you as who, I am not the singing spy) I have come to find that these guys for the most part just don't care about eve they care about having what they consider fun. So far this looks like a pro-goon post.
IT IS NOT.
They have a leadership core that is totally and completely rotten. The top of this pyramid scam has bilked billions of isk from the players, they have scammed the very people they claim to champion. They are corrupt and full of hate. They are racist, bigotted, and homophobic. The comments that are made are often repeated by much newer goons thinking that they are jokes, but they are not. They champion the use of crude pictures such as Will Smith stomping down the World Trade Centre or a man punching a woman as they enter court in their signatures.
But the worst thing about them is that they will find everything I said as a reason to get more crass and make more vile images. They feed of this like catfish on sewage.
They are sick, twisted and vile and it is tragic that most of the fun loving goons are falling head over heels in love with them.
I completely agree with what goonfleet does, It introduces noobs to 0.0 and fleet combat. It breaks them in and makes the game fun for people that have spent a month or 2 missioning in high sec and want to see something else. There is tons of room in eve for that part of goonfleet, But for4 the people at the top, it is only a matter of time before they really screw up in game or rl and are forced to leave.
I will sit back and continue to enjoy the antics of the lower level goons while despising and collecting the stupidity of the ones who believe that they are truely above the law and eula.
Source on the isk theft?
The OP just carefully explained how the nasty stuff is intended as a meta-joke at the people LIKE YOU who are offended by it and you come in here with this half-ass, surface level drek?
Read the OP and then come back.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:52:00 -
[308]
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:51:11
Originally by: Thesas
I find it interesting that this post wasnÆt locked immediately.
A distrustful person might say that the anti-goon beginning of the OP has shielded the pro/neutral-goon ending from retribution.
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:52:00 -
[309]
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Terket
Eleuthereus: Was this your shining altruistic moment, to air our "dirty laundry" as it were? An honest question, I don't quite see the point. Everyone pretty much already knew, or had made up their minds.
Honest answer - the post pretty much gives all the various reasons for the post. Forums are filled with posts about people's experiences in Eve, from first ganks, to adventures in 0.0, to funniest moments. So, there you go. My experiences just happen to involve some fairly hot issues now. And I thought it'd all be not olny an interesting read, but a good release of my own thoughts and perceptions to the world And, I am verbose, because I simply love to write and I love detail.
I think you just like the attention.
I think you might be on to something, Stoffer ol' Ninjapirate. (and I'm not talking about that Icelandic guy who was a heavy investor in Newcastle Ale (You know what I mean))
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Adm Tecumseh
Caldari
The Templars Knights
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:53:00 -
[310]
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
I think you just like the attention.
Actually I have flown with him for his whole career (in a variety of characters) in Eve, he would realy have made the best choice as Goonfleet CEO. at least compared to the fools that were choosen by the other fools.
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Vio Geraci
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:53:00 -
[311]
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
I don't really see why you think he would want to join BoB, those princes of space, with their wonderful gear and skillful fleet commanders. Their dedication and training are top notch and everything they do is military in precision. Why do you think this thread has anything to do with joining them?
Hm, I wonder if this has anything to do with clearing his corp history.
I think it's quite clear that eleutherus isn't a friend of goonswarm and it should be safe to let him into your organization even if you're fighting goonswarm. Just like that time Vilerat got thrown out of the swarm.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:53:00 -
[312]
This thread isn't locked yet?
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Marvin
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:53:00 -
[313]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Neveren
Hella long story sir!
yeah, a year and a half of my life in Eve.
Well....I've been here a bit longer than 4 years, and you sir are trolling.
Have fun ingame, this out of game bull**** is way tiring.
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TastySacks
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:55:00 -
[314]
Everything written is preety much true.
Goons love dark humor.
Goons love being bad guys
Goons think "Dongs" is a funny word.
Goons like to make other people angry, sad, or buttes.
I also wrote a long story about what would happen if goons directed a **** movie and how your points illustrate that, but it was basically too long and ridiculous to post on these forums. But nontheless good post eleuthesaurus, I enjoy reading your post. A+++ would recommend again. I would suggest putting up this post in our 'how to join' section in the wiki.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:56:00 -
[315]
Originally by: Marvin
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Neveren
Hella long story sir!
yeah, a year and a half of my life in Eve.
Well....I've been here a bit longer than 4 years, and you sir are trolling.
Have fun ingame, this out of game bull**** is way tiring.
I shall leave that up to the moderators. I see no trolling, which I discussed in the OP.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:56:00 -
[316]
Originally by: Adm Tecumseh
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
I think you just like the attention.
Actually I have flown with him for his whole career (in a variety of characters) in Eve, he would realy have made the best choice as Goonfleet CEO. at least compared to the fools that were choosen by the other fools.
So you think a whiny attention seeker who doesn't approve of or fit in with the core values and heart of Goonfleet should have been CEO of Goonfleet?
You're a manager of people the world has never seen before- you're going to rock this little planet and make it your OWN as soon as you step away from that computer and into the light of your nascent fame.
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:56:00 -
[317]
Terket your impressive postrate has been noticed in SPYAD.
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:56:00 -
[318]
Originally by: James Duar
This thread isn't locked yet?
We're having a pretty good discourse here on the internal workings of GoonSwarm, okay? Fly away troll.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:57:00 -
[319]
Originally by: James Duar
This thread isn't locked yet?
no
if you have any more questions just ask I will be happy to answer them
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:58:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Terket your impressive postrate has been noticed in SPYAD.
get your goon codes out of here
what are you trying to do, hack the forum
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Vital Efters
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:59:00 -
[321]
I thought you were awesome when you first joined, and you were a good singer, and always seemed to be a pretty likeable guy.
Im still hoping this is just an amazingly epic fakepost.
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:00:00 -
[322]
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Terket your impressive postrate has been noticed in SPYAD.
get your goon codes out of here
what are you trying to do, hack the forum
No, remember GoonSwarm exists solely to ruin everyone else's experience and/or lives (You see, a lot of people make EvE Online into a Second Life (as it were)). So by forcing our lingo and manner of speech on everyone, we're furthering our wave of terror.
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Marvin
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:02:00 -
[323]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Marvin
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Neveren
Hella long story sir!
yeah, a year and a half of my life in Eve.
Well....I've been here a bit longer than 4 years, and you sir are trolling.
Have fun ingame, this out of game bull**** is way tiring.
I shall leave that up to the moderators. I see no trolling, which I discussed in the OP.
Heh, I'll go like a prhophet, and say...you'll still be in goonswarm in x time.
Then again I can't prove it, and you can't prove me wrong...muhahaha....:)
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Tenath
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:04:00 -
[324]
Please consider, dear readers. Both sides can be right and wrong at the same time. The conclusions reached herein... might not be mutually exclusive.
Don't let your brain explode.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:04:00 -
[325]
Originally by: Marvin
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Neveren
Hella long story sir!
yeah, a year and a half of my life in Eve.
Well....I've been here a bit longer than 4 years
Do you have Production Efficiency V?
Will you help us build our Titan?
Your signature has been removed due to a lack of EVE-related content. Email [email protected] if you have any questions. Thanks, Hango |
Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:04:00 -
[326]
There is no trolling going on here, this thread is awesome.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:06:00 -
[327]
Originally by: Terket
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Terket your impressive postrate has been noticed in SPYAD.
get your goon codes out of here
what are you trying to do, hack the forum
No, remember GoonSwarm exists solely to ruin everyone else's experience and/or lives (You see, a lot of people make EvE Online into a Second Life (as it were)). So by forcing our lingo and manner of speech on everyone, we're furthering our wave of terror.
well you succeeded I got the terrors
damn your overbearing ways goosn
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:06:00 -
[328]
Edited by: Terket on 01/06/2007 04:08:42
Edited by: Terket on 01/06/2007 04:07:07
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
There is no trolling going on here, this thread is awesome.
I am in agreeance, good sir. Though I sincerely wonder how long Eleuthereus will keep up this charade (make sure you pronounce that as pretentuously [edit: I spell (and smell) good.] as possible), and the claim that he was just "Journaling" his time in EvE.
[additional edit: I was pointing out that I spelled it wrong.]
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:07:00 -
[329]
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 04:06:57
Originally by: Tenath
Please consider, dear readers. Both sides can be right and wrong at the same time. The conclusions reached herein... might not be mutually exclusive.
Don't let your brain explode.
Wow, you are deep like my philosophy 101 teacher (I took it in grade 10 at the community college I am a bit of a prodigy tbqh)
important ideas like this are what will change the face of the game and clarify the thoughts of the shattered playerbase
the reunification of all our hearts comes now
Glad you could join us and help with the process of rebirth
and joy
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CrispyKritters
Caldari
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:07:00 -
[330]
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 04:07:04
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 04:06:28
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
I wasn't arguing about stereotypes. They are what they are. I was commenting on the fact that the only people who think the word N****r is funny are Klansmen and bloated, ignorant, mollycoddled, first-world youth.
You edited, you sneaky goon.
No, obviously they haven't. However, the point stands. Chinese isk farmer is not the same as N****r...
Since you sound somewhat serious... I'll give you a somewhat serious answer. You argue all high and mighty about racism but yet you stereotype: by linking "goons/goonies" as racist immature homophobes.
You are also stereotyping about "goons" as being "first-world" spoiled "youths", neglecting the fact that maybe some of them are third world diseased and dirty immigrants.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:09:00 -
[331]
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 04:07:04
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 04:06:28
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
I wasn't arguing about stereotypes. They are what they are. I was commenting on the fact that the only people who think the word N****r is funny are Klansmen and bloated, ignorant, mollycoddled, first-world youth.
You edited, you sneaky goon.
No, obviously they haven't. However, the point stands. Chinese isk farmer is not the same as N****r...
Since you sound somewhat serious... I'll give you a somewhat serious answer. You argue all high and mighty about racism but yet you stereotype: by linking "goons/goonies" as racist immature homophobes.
You are also stereotyping about "goons" as being "first-world" spoiled "youths", neglecting the fact that maybe some of them are third world diseased and dirty immigrants.
As a diseased immigrant I object to this goon bigotry and tyranny.
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Stradiot
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:11:00 -
[332]
BoB is having a pos-spamming party this week to celebrate our failure cascade.
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:11:00 -
[333]
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 04:07:04
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 04:06:28
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
I wasn't arguing about stereotypes. They are what they are. I was commenting on the fact that the only people who think the word N****r is funny are Klansmen and bloated, ignorant, mollycoddled, first-world youth.
You edited, you sneaky goon.
No, obviously they haven't. However, the point stands. Chinese isk farmer is not the same as N****r...
Since you sound somewhat serious... I'll give you a somewhat serious answer. You argue all high and mighty about racism but yet you stereotype: by linking "goons/goonies" as racist immature homophobes.
You are also stereotyping about "goons" as being "first-world" spoiled "youths", neglecting the fact that maybe some of them are third world diseased and dirty immigrants.
I don't know about you, pal, but I was under the impression that we all lived in mansions and drove Audi S8s. My world is shattering around me.
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Stradiot
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:12:00 -
[334]
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 04:07:04
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 04:06:28
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
I wasn't arguing about stereotypes. They are what they are. I was commenting on the fact that the only people who think the word N****r is funny are Klansmen and bloated, ignorant, mollycoddled, first-world youth.
You edited, you sneaky goon.
No, obviously they haven't. However, the point stands. Chinese isk farmer is not the same as N****r...
Since you sound somewhat serious... I'll give you a somewhat serious answer. You argue all high and mighty about racism but yet you stereotype: by linking "goons/goonies" as racist immature homophobes.
You are also stereotyping about "goons" as being "first-world" spoiled "youths", neglecting the fact that maybe some of them are third world diseased and dirty immigrants.
As a diseased immigrant I object to this goon bigotry and tyranny.
Greetings fellow diseased immigrant. Watchu got? I got teh AIDS.
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Stradiot
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:14:00 -
[335]
Originally by: Terket
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 04:07:04
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 04:06:28
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
I wasn't arguing about stereotypes. They are what they are. I was commenting on the fact that the only people who think the word N****r is funny are Klansmen and bloated, ignorant, mollycoddled, first-world youth.
You edited, you sneaky goon.
No, obviously they haven't. However, the point stands. Chinese isk farmer is not the same as N****r...
Since you sound somewhat serious... I'll give you a somewhat serious answer. You argue all high and mighty about racism but yet you stereotype: by linking "goons/goonies" as racist immature homophobes.
You are also stereotyping about "goons" as being "first-world" spoiled "youths", neglecting the fact that maybe some of them are third world diseased and dirty immigrants.
I don't know about you, pal, but I was under the impression that we all lived in mansions and drove Audi S8s. My world is shattering around me.
You drive yourself? Pff and you call yourself a a first-world spoiled youth. I is chauffeured. In a helicopter.
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:16:00 -
[336]
Originally by: Stradiot
Originally by: Terket
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 04:07:04
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 04:06:28
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
I wasn't arguing about stereotypes. They are what they are. I was commenting on the fact that the only people who think the word N****r is funny are Klansmen and bloated, ignorant, mollycoddled, first-world youth.
You edited, you sneaky goon.
No, obviously they haven't. However, the point stands. Chinese isk farmer is not the same as N****r...
Since you sound somewhat serious... I'll give you a somewhat serious answer. You argue all high and mighty about racism but yet you stereotype: by linking "goons/goonies" as racist immature homophobes.
You are also stereotyping about "goons" as being "first-world" spoiled "youths", neglecting the fact that maybe some of them are third world diseased and dirty immigrants.
I don't know about you, pal, but I was under the impression that we all lived in mansions and drove Audi S8s. My world is shattering around me.
You drive yourself? Pff and you call yourself a a first-world spoiled youth. I is chauffeured. In a helicopter.
Man. You called my bluff. Oh well, after all, I am from Epsilon. vv
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CrispyKritters
Caldari
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:16:00 -
[337]
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 04:16:21
Originally by: Terket
I don't know about you, pal, but I was under the impression that we all lived in mansions and drove Audi S8s. My world is shattering around me.
You can drive that middle class heap of crap off the cliff for all I care. I'm going to take the BMW my parents bought me and drive over a few immigrants brought over for my entertainment.
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cal nereus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:16:00 -
[338]
Most Goons are griefers at heart, and I have to admit I love them for that. If I wasn't so scared for my precious EVE character's life and I wasn't so squeemish about hurting other people's feelings, I'd try joining Goonswarm. They're a pretty awesome bunch of guys, albeit racist, crude, immoral, and annoying. But still, an awesome bunch of guys. :D
I <3 Goons.
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Marvin
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:18:00 -
[339]
Edited by: Marvin on 01/06/2007 04:19:09
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Marvin
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Neveren
Hella long story sir!
yeah, a year and a half of my life in Eve.
Well....I've been here a bit longer than 4 years
Do you have Production Efficiency V?
Will you help us build our Titan?
hehe...Naw, I don't have the skills for such a production, but I'm flattered.
Just for your information, no I'm not politically biased, just a concerned EVE player that has seen too much trolling that will never lead to any good.
And Seeing what you guys stand for, I'm thinking your kinda trolling, even if your stating that your leaving or left and posting stuff, you need 1-2 years untill I even consider listening to you, that's your reputation.
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:19:00 -
[340]
Edited by: Terket on 01/06/2007 04:28:00
Originally by: cal nereus
Most Goons are griefers at heart, and I have to admit I love them for that. If I wasn't so scared for my precious EVE character's life and I wasn't so squeemish about hurting other people's feelings, I'd try joining Goonswarm. They're a pretty awesome bunch of guys, albeit racist, crude, immoral, and annoying. But still, an awesome bunch of guys. :D
I <3 Goons.
And we <3 you, my friend. As a de facto diplomat, I encourage you to fly to any of our stations and we will accept you with open arms.
edit: I MEAN DE JURE.
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Alias11
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:27:00 -
[341]
I travel everywhere in a solid-gold jet when I'm not riding poor people like horses
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Stradiot
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:28:00 -
[342]
Edited by: Stradiot on 01/06/2007 04:27:45
Originally by: Alias11
I travel everywhere in a solid-platinum spaceship when I'm not riding middle-class people like horses
fixed for accuracy
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:30:00 -
[343]
Originally by: Stradiot
Edited by: Stradiot on 01/06/2007 04:27:45
Originally by: Alias11
I travel everywhere in a solid-platinum spaceship when I'm not riding middle-class people like horses
fixed for accuracy
Middle class people shod with poor people?
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Benvolio GrrrKrishnakk
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:35:00 -
[344]
Noone cared in our forums, why would they here?
Oh wait.
Pubbies.
Signature removed, please email us with a link to the signature if you wish to know why. -Ivan K |
WarFireV
Gallente
Lockheed Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:42:00 -
[345]
I don't think this topic is going to be locked no matter how bad it gets.
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DiuxDium
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:42:00 -
[346]
Edited by: DiuxDium on 01/06/2007 06:43:52
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Hello America |
Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:46:00 -
[347]
Originally by: DiuxDium
Edited by: DiuxDium on 01/06/2007 04:42:06
Originally by: AxeManiac
Hey, where did you get this file from? A PROFESSIONAL voice actor is saying you used the internet to steal it and now he can't be a PROFESSIONAL voice actor because you stole his voice.
I think that is what he said. You tell me:
"howdy sir.
There is a link in the "State of the goonion" thread in "Your Consloe sucks" subforum which contains a recording of my voice reading a speech last night to members of goonfleet on our private team speak server.
This recording is copywritten material, with the copyright owned by me.
I am a professional voice actor, and parts of this recording are possibly to be used in a revenu generating music recording which is currently being worked on by myself and several other members of goonfleet.
I am not trying to create a drama situation, nor do I have any beef with anyone, but permission was never granted for this recording to be posted here in any manner whatsoever.
I therefore am asking you if you could remove the link to the file.
Thank you."
Mods, don't delete this, as it's public. For those interested in hearing the "State of the Goonion(R)). Click Here!
It contains NO foul language unless you are a MEMBER of somethingawful.com (LCC,R,C,PH.D). So I don't feel this violates any forum rules. Remember, keep it civil guys!
e; for those who dislike the something awful forums. Here's a link to some hilarious audio! Goons, Goons, Goons, Goons, Goons. Did I mention, Goons?
I've never really posted on EvE-O before, but hasn't everyone already heard these atrocious public addresses that the leadership unleashes upon us regularly?
For those of you who may not have, prepare to experience GoonSwarm in it's full glory.
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Moonlight Express
Amarr
Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:47:00 -
[348]
Edited by: Moonlight Express on 01/06/2007 15:10:38
Yea, you got to love the goons, especially if you are poor. You have a bunch of goon layers doing a world a favor and become public defenders to help defend the poor. All that racist behavior and bigotry does not mean a thing when a minority defender stands in front of a judge while being defended by a goon lawyer.
They are doing those poor minority and *** people a favor by helping them in to those nice, clean cells. Almost makes me want to join SomethingAwful and resist arrest next time I go out, so I can be cool like the goons. IÆm sure a goon lawyer will be there to save me. ThatÆs whom I want to defend me.
I can hear it now. æYour honor. This ******* *** cop hit my clientÆs fist with his face. IÆm pretty sure that this ***, ***** cop has you on MSN. If you convict my client, I will have my very respectable humanitarian organization, SomethingAwful community elect you out of office by flooding every news organization with undeniable evidence of your bias and corruptionÆ
That will show them. Go goons, go. See you in NOL or in court, whichever comes first.
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DiuxDium
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:49:00 -
[349]
Edited by: DiuxDium on 01/06/2007 06:44:40
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Hello America |
Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:50:00 -
[350]
Originally by: Terket
For those of you who may not have, prepare to experience GoonSwarm in it's full glory.
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Svaha Norbu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:51:00 -
[351]
Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 01/06/2007 04:52:35
Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 01/06/2007 04:52:01
Originally by: DiuxDium
Mods, don't delete this, as it's public. For those interested in hearing the "State of the Goonion(R)). Click http://forums.somethingawful.com]Here![/url]
It contains NO foul language unless you are a MEMBER of somethingawful.com (LCC,R,C,PH.D). So I don't feel this violates any forum rules. Remember, keep it civil guys!
e; for those who dislike the something awful forums. Here's a link to some hilarious audio! Goons, Goons, Goons, Goons, Goons. Did I mention, Goons?
That first link is probably not a good idea seeing as there is an "foul language" right in the title of the thread.
I guess that's up to the mods to decide though.
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DiuxDium
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:51:00 -
[352]
Edited by: DiuxDium on 01/06/2007 06:45:04
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Hello America |
rinseout000
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:53:00 -
[353]
Let me see if I have this right.
This guy has jumped sides what...4 times in the last few months? And yet all the BoD pets are scurrying to tell him how noble he is for quitting goons? lol.
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Lenny Lowcut
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:55:00 -
[354]
Edited by: Lenny Lowcut on 01/06/2007 04:54:31
Ele,
I must say that I am a little disappointed in you. Jesus always stood by the sick and never turned his back on them. He stood with them through thick and thin. You're Judas side has just shown itself. Why? You sang your song for us!
I suppose now is the time to actually reveal to you the humor of goonswarm. True, it is uncouth. True, it is rowdy. It is, quite frankly, not very polite. But there is an underbelly to the beast as well. Lenny Bruce sums it up quite nicely by saying, "If you can take the hot lead enema, then you can cast the first stone." I think that means that you shouldn't dish out what you can't take. So bare with me.
Goonswarm was a revelation of sorts when we first joined. And make no mistake about it. We joined them to get access to the best level four agents in the game. We were playas and we still are. But something clicked...
It was a forum post where everybody was posting pictures of themselves and the rest of the alliance were making mostly snide comments about whatnots. One of the pictures posted happened to be of a black gentleman. No big deal, except that the post immediately after that just so happened to be an animated .gif of a man walking up to a secured door and in flashing neon glow above it were the words "Ni**er Alert!" and the guy proceeds to freak out about it. Now, without thinking or rationalizing or doing any of the above, I started laughing my ass off. In no lesser terms, that shyt was funny.
But why ele? Why was that funny? Was it funny because I don't like black people and that put them in their place? Or was it funny because it addressed a very real life issue in which people tend to be fearful of black people? Granted the use of the word ni**er is usually reserved for either racists or black people themselves, but here I was facing a white guy (presumably) calling a black fellow a ni**er. It is a sensitive subject and one that cannot be breached, usually, unless very serious and formal subconscious processes take place. But here it is, open for all to see, making fun of the word itself. Making fun of the word ******. And that's what it is Ele, making fun of the word itself. If there were a true racist in Goonswarm he would be kicked immediately. I'm sorry you never caught on and that you didn't realize that for yourself. The same goes for the Jewish references and the homosexual references.
We are all God's people Ele. Goonswarm simply makes fun of the public's perception of the differences among us. I have left your posting and reading rights open on the goonswarm forums. I do know you well enough to know that you are of strong enough character to have a rational discourse concerning your issues on our forums. I look forward to your posts.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:59:00 -
[355]
Originally by: WarFireV
I don't think this topic is going to be locked no matter how bad it gets.
How strange.
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:59:00 -
[356]
Originally by: Lenny Lowcut
Edited by: Lenny Lowcut on 01/06/2007 04:54:31
Ele,
I must say that I am a little disappointed in you. Jesus always stood by the sick and never turned his back on them. He stood with them through thick and thin. You're Judas side has just shown itself. Why? You sang your song for us!
I suppose now is the time to actually reveal to you the humor of goonswarm. True, it is uncouth. True, it is rowdy. It is, quite frankly, not very polite. But there is an underbelly to the beast as well. Lenny Bruce sums it up quite nicely by saying, "If you can take the hot lead enema, then you can cast the first stone." I think that means that you shouldn't dish out what you can't take. So bare with me.
Goonswarm was a revelation of sorts when we first joined. And make no mistake about it. We joined them to get access to the best level four agents in the game. We were playas and we still are. But something clicked...
It was a forum post where everybody was posting pictures of themselves and the rest of the alliance were making mostly snide comments about whatnots. One of the pictures posted happened to be of a black gentleman. No big deal, except that the post immediately after that just so happened to be an animated .gif of a man walking up to a secured door and in flashing neon glow above it were the words "Ni**er Alert!" and the guy proceeds to freak out about it. Now, without thinking or rationalizing or doing any of the above, I started laughing my ass off. In no lesser terms, that shyt was funny.
But why ele? Why was that funny? Was it funny because I don't like black people and that put them in their place? Or was it funny because it addressed a very real life issue in which people tend to be fearful of black people? Granted the use of the word ni**er is usually reserved for either racists or black people themselves, but here I was facing a white guy (presumably) calling a black fellow a ni**er. It is a sensitive subject and one that cannot be breached, usually, unless very serious and formal subconscious processes take place. But here it is, open for all to see, making fun of the word itself. Making fun of the word ******. And that's what it is Ele, making fun of the word itself. If there were a true racist in Goonswarm he would be kicked immediately. I'm sorry you never caught on and that you didn't realize that for yourself. The same goes for the Jewish references and the homosexual references.
We are all God's people Ele. Goonswarm simply makes fun of the public's perception of the differences among us. I have left your posting and reading rights open on the goonswarm forums. I do know you well enough to know that you are of strong enough character to have a rational discourse concerning your issues on our forums. I look forward to your posts.
Lenny, your words are an inspiration to us all.
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DiuxDium
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:03:00 -
[357]
Edited by: DiuxDium on 01/06/2007 06:45:30
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Fracking Beach
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:04:00 -
[358]
Quote:
What to do? Naturally, join Goonswarm.
So, as soon as you face hard times in your alliance/corp - the natural choice for you is to jump ship and switch to the other side. Then when you leave, you go out and spill all details of your alliance matters on forums. You sir, are an untrustworthy flip flop.
"bob..blah..blah..gm..friends...other perks". Off course to raise some karma points, you want to bark at your old friends and join the forum mob, while throwing a round groundless accusations and simply making stuff up as you go. Great work champ! Proof or stf...
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Vesel4ak
OEG
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:05:00 -
[359]
When I look at long post of eleuthereus and think about his big work for make it I do following conclusion:
eleuthereus are one of GM's alt in GS and just want to some washing of CCP reputation.
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Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:13:00 -
[360]
Originally by: Vesel4ak
eleuthereus are one of GM's alt in GS and just want to some washing of CCP reputation.
Actually, the GS members posting here have done a pretty good job of that - they're kinda confirming the sentiment of the OP.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:13:00 -
[361]
Originally by: DiuxDium
Maybe he should give your next state of the goonion thread. Can't do much worse than the last one.
Lenny Lowcut on Teamspeak while under the influence is one of the great pleasures of EVE and Goonswarm.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:14:00 -
[362]
Originally by: Lenny Lowcut
Dramatic BS with some touch of reality swamped with self righteous stink.
If only you guys weren't acting like stupid little children about this whole Eve thing and throwing a tantrum in a way that really just messes up our game for no reason, I'd agree with you.
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BOOO!! - Ductoris
Neat look what I found - Kreul
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DiuxDium
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:16:00 -
[363]
Edited by: DiuxDium on 01/06/2007 06:44:04
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:17:00 -
[364]
Edited by: Terket on 01/06/2007 05:16:29
Originally by: DiuxDium
normal goons
Nice oxymoron.
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:19:00 -
[365]
Originally by: Frug
Originally by: Lenny Lowcut
Dramatic BS with some touch of reality swamped with self righteous stink.
If only you guys weren't acting like stupid little children about this whole Eve thing and throwing a tantrum in a way that really just messes up our game for no reason, I'd agree with you.
Goons have alot of growing up to do tbqh imho 
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Potenza
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:23:00 -
[366]
lol Goons???
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Hesh Ballantine
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:24:00 -
[367]
Edited by: Hesh Ballantine on 01/06/2007 05:23:45
He's right you know, we really do hate you all and have just the grandest time ruining your fun. |
State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:24:00 -
[368]
Originally by: Potenza
lol Goons???
Quote dis if ur down
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Potenza
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:26:00 -
[369]
Edited by: Potenza on 01/06/2007 05:24:52
Originally by: Hesh Ballantine
Edited by: Hesh Ballantine on 01/06/2007 05:23:45
He's right you know, we really do hate you all and have just the grandest time ruining your fun.
Did Mittari really get kicked out of his (eve) house? I should have started reading SA earlier you guys are funny.
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:28:00 -
[370]
Originally by: Potenza
Edited by: Potenza on 01/06/2007 05:24:52
Originally by: Hesh Ballantine
Edited by: Hesh Ballantine on 01/06/2007 05:23:45
He's right you know, we really do hate you all and have just the grandest time ruining your fun.
Did Mittari really get kicked out of his (eve) house? I should have started reading SA earlier you guys are funny.
that thread is funny stuff alright
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Machine Delta
Gamma Haulers Against Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:28:00 -
[371]
So you posted this in SGBS, posted a novella here, crossposted this to CAOD, and now have been posting in this thread for over 5 hours.
Do you want us to DIGG and slashdot this for you too?
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Svaha Norbu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:29:00 -
[372]
Originally by: DiuxDium
Originally by: Vesel4ak
When I look at long post of eleuthereus and think about his big work for make it I do following conclusion:
eleuthereus are one of GM's alt in GS and just want to some washing of CCP reputation.
No, goons* really are bad people... -
*Goonswarm goons. Stop sullying the good names of us normal goons, who don't sue internet websites about our copyrighted 36 minute oral morale blogs.
Oh damn. It looks like YCS is leaking out of that link that f4t4l guy posted earlier. I hope you know what you did f4t4l guy.
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:30:00 -
[373]
Originally by: Potenza
Edited by: Potenza on 01/06/2007 05:24:52
Originally by: Hesh Ballantine
Edited by: Hesh Ballantine on 01/06/2007 05:23:45
He's right you know, we really do hate you all and have just the grandest time ruining your fun.
Did Mittari really get kicked out of his (eve) house? I should have started reading SA earlier you guys are funny.
no that was remedial 
basically his house got taken away when he went to jail (temporarily) . he is part of this libertarian group trying to turn new england into a tax free zone , and part of that was not paying ANY taxes as a principle . him and the other people in the group went on national tv to sell the idea, which got them found out  
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Hesh Ballantine
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:31:00 -
[374]
Edited by: Hesh Ballantine on 01/06/2007 05:30:58
Originally by: Potenza
Edited by: Potenza on 01/06/2007 05:24:52
Originally by: Hesh Ballantine
Edited by: Hesh Ballantine on 01/06/2007 05:23:45
He's right you know, we really do hate you all and have just the grandest time ruining your fun.
Did Mittari really get kicked out of his (eve) house? I should have started reading SA earlier you guys are funny.
who cares its not like any of us even really like the guy, talk about a svengali complex
its our fault though, goons love to create cults of personality and then tear them down when they fail to live up to our totally unreasonable expectations
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:31:00 -
[375]
YCS has little in common with EVE-O aside from the quality of the posting.
Your signature has been removed due to a lack of EVE-related content. Email [email protected] if you have any questions. Thanks, Hango |
State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:32:00 -
[376]
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: Potenza
Edited by: Potenza on 01/06/2007 05:24:52
Originally by: Hesh Ballantine
Edited by: Hesh Ballantine on 01/06/2007 05:23:45
He's right you know, we really do hate you all and have just the grandest time ruining your fun.
Did Mittari really get kicked out of his (eve) house? I should have started reading SA earlier you guys are funny.
no that was remedial
basically his house got taken away when he went to jail (temporarily) . he is part of this libertarian group trying to turn new england into a tax free zone , and part of that was not paying ANY taxes as a principle . him and the other people in the group went on national tv to sell the idea, which got them found out
Hahah...Hahahah... Link please.
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Potenza
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:33:00 -
[377]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
YCS has little in common with EVE-O aside from the quality of the posting.
Can you explain it to us non SA people. To me seems like 90% of SA hates you guys and moved you all to a noob fourm while banning many of your leaders. Is this all a joke?
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Machine Delta
Gamma Haulers Against Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:34:00 -
[378]
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Snowden Vel
YCS has little in common with EVE-O aside from the quality of the posting.
Can you explain it to us non SA people. To me seems like 90% of SA hates you guys and moved you all to a noob fourm while banning many of your leaders. Is this all a joke?
90% of us think you're pulling numbers out of your ass.
*snip* Your signature is inappropriate. Do not post it again. If you have questions, email [email protected] with a link to your signature graphic. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) |
Svaha Norbu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:34:00 -
[379]
Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 01/06/2007 05:34:30
Originally by: Potenza
Did Mittari really get kicked out of his (eve) house? I should have started reading SA earlier you guys are funny.
The Mittani has left goonswarm and eve forever. May he forever bathe in a golden bathtub filled with the delicious bitter tears of his foes.
He was a pretty epic jerk.
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:35:00 -
[380]
Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Snowden Vel
YCS has little in common with EVE-O aside from the quality of the posting.
Can you explain it to us non SA people. To me seems like 90% of SA hates you guys and moved you all to a noob fourm while banning many of your leaders. Is this all a joke?
90% of us think you're pulling numbers out of your ass.
from reading the thread, it seems closer to 99%..other than mawg getting perma-banned in that thread, it seems everyone on sa thinks you guys cry butter.
c/d?
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Machine Delta
Gamma Haulers Against Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:36:00 -
[381]
Oh sweet you can say ass. I wonder if you can say *******.
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:36:00 -
[382]
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Snowden Vel
YCS has little in common with EVE-O aside from the quality of the posting.
Can you explain it to us non SA people. To me seems like 90% of SA hates you guys and moved you all to a noob fourm while banning many of your leaders. Is this all a joke?
90% of us think you're pulling numbers out of your ass.
from reading the thread, it seems closer to 99%..other than mawg getting perma-banned in that thread, it seems everyone on sa thinks you guys cry butter.
c/d?
99% of all goons think you're the easiest person in the world to fool.
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Machine Delta
Gamma Haulers Against Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:36:00 -
[383]
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Snowden Vel
YCS has little in common with EVE-O aside from the quality of the posting.
Can you explain it to us non SA people. To me seems like 90% of SA hates you guys and moved you all to a noob fourm while banning many of your leaders. Is this all a joke?
90% of us think you're pulling numbers out of your ass.
from reading the thread, it seems closer to 99%..other than mawg getting perma-banned in that thread, it seems everyone on sa thinks you guys cry butter.
c/d?
You don't "get" SA or YCS do you?
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:36:00 -
[384]
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Snowden Vel
YCS has little in common with EVE-O aside from the quality of the posting.
Can you explain it to us non SA people. To me seems like 90% of SA hates you guys and moved you all to a noob fourm while banning many of your leaders. Is this all a joke?
Obviously a frantic fifteen-person circlejerk in the worst subforum on SA is representative of the 60,000 goons out there, so yeah, you hit the nail on the head.
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:38:00 -
[385]
Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Snowden Vel
YCS has little in common with EVE-O aside from the quality of the posting.
Can you explain it to us non SA people. To me seems like 90% of SA hates you guys and moved you all to a noob fourm while banning many of your leaders. Is this all a joke?
90% of us think you're pulling numbers out of your ass.
from reading the thread, it seems closer to 99%..other than mawg getting perma-banned in that thread, it seems everyone on sa thinks you guys cry butter.
c/d?
You don't "get" SA or YCS do you?
i'm not too sure there's much to get. while ycs has a rich and deep history of lambasting anyone and everyone, they seem to reserve a special love for you butter trolls.
here, enjoy this - axemaniac asked for this to be posted here. Axe Maniac - The Musical
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:38:00 -
[386]
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Snowden Vel
YCS has little in common with EVE-O aside from the quality of the posting.
Can you explain it to us non SA people. To me seems like 90% of SA hates you guys and moved you all to a noob fourm while banning many of your leaders. Is this all a joke?
90% of us think you're pulling numbers out of your ass.
from reading the thread, it seems closer to 99%..other than mawg getting perma-banned in that thread, it seems everyone on sa thinks you guys cry butter.
c/d?
Are you suggesting that Goons hate each other
No no don't be silly that is impossible whoever heard of drama within goon organizations
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:39:00 -
[387]
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Snowden Vel
YCS has little in common with EVE-O aside from the quality of the posting.
Can you explain it to us non SA people. To me seems like 90% of SA hates you guys and moved you all to a noob fourm while banning many of your leaders. Is this all a joke?
90% of us think you're pulling numbers out of your ass.
from reading the thread, it seems closer to 99%..other than mawg getting perma-banned in that thread, it seems everyone on sa thinks you guys cry butter.
c/d?
You don't "get" SA or YCS do you?
i'm not too sure there's much to get. while ycs has a rich and deep history of lambasting anyone and everyone, they seem to reserve a special love for you butter trolls.
here, enjoy this - axemaniac asked for this to be posted here. Axe Maniac - The Musical
When I say that ycs is the worst forum on all of SA I mean it is even worse than gbs and jesus christ
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cal nereus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:39:00 -
[388]
No one makes fun of Goons quite as well as other Goons. That said, Goons don't hold anything sacred. Did I mention I <3 Goons? Well, I do. :D
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:40:00 -
[389]
Edited by: State OFMInd on 01/06/2007 05:40:00
Originally by: Sir Lolle
When I say that ycs is the worst forum on all of SA I mean it is even worse than gbs and jesus christ
at least ycs posters don't look like this.Average Goon
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Potenza
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:42:00 -
[390]
Edited by: Potenza on 01/06/2007 05:42:07
"It's true, I've been in goonfleet since its inception and hardly anyone plays the game anymore.."
"Honestly, can we make EVE bannable "
"This is ******** of the highest degree, congratulations on being below trekkies on the social scale."
gotta love that goon culture
Actual goon pic
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:42:00 -
[391]
Originally by: State OFMInd
Edited by: State OFMInd on 01/06/2007 05:40:00
Originally by: Sir Lolle
When I say that ycs is the worst forum on all of SA I mean it is even worse than gbs and jesus christ
at least ycs posters don't look like this.Average Goon
All goons are freakishly ugly trolls it is pretty much a rule I do not know where you are going with this dawg
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:43:00 -
[392]
Originally by: Sir Lolle
Originally by: State OFMInd
Edited by: State OFMInd on 01/06/2007 05:40:00
Originally by: Sir Lolle
When I say that ycs is the worst forum on all of SA I mean it is even worse than gbs and jesus christ
at least ycs posters don't look like this.Average Goon
All goonswarm members are freakishly ugly trolls it is pretty much a rule I do not know where you are going with this dawg
quote this if ur down
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:44:00 -
[393]
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Sir Lolle
Originally by: State OFMInd
Edited by: State OFMInd on 01/06/2007 05:40:00
Originally by: Sir Lolle
When I say that ycs is the worst forum on all of SA I mean it is even worse than gbs and jesus christ
at least ycs posters don't look like this.Average Goon
All goonswarm members are freakishly ugly trolls it is pretty much a rule I do not know where you are going with this dawg
quote this if ur down
dis
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Machine Delta
Gamma Haulers Against Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:45:00 -
[394]
Originally by: State OFMInd
Edited by: State OFMInd on 01/06/2007 05:40:00
Originally by: Sir Lolle
When I say that ycs is the worst forum on all of SA I mean it is even worse than gbs and jesus christ
at least ycs posters don't look like this.Average Goon
:iceburn:
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:46:00 -
[395]
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Sir Lolle
Originally by: State OFMInd
Edited by: State OFMInd on 01/06/2007 05:40:00
Originally by: Sir Lolle
When I say that ycs is the worst forum on all of SA I mean it is even worse than gbs and jesus christ
at least ycs posters don't look like this.Average Goon
All goonswarm members are freakishly ugly trolls it is pretty much a rule I do not know where you are going with this dawg
quote this if ur down
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:46:00 -
[396]
Most Goonfleet-related YCS posting I've seen has more to do with how they hate EVE so if you're going to hop on that bandwagon you might want to contemplate why you're posting about it with an EVE account.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:47:00 -
[397]
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Sir Lolle
Originally by: State OFMInd
Edited by: State OFMInd on 01/06/2007 05:40:00
Originally by: Sir Lolle
When I say that ycs is the worst forum on all of SA I mean it is even worse than gbs and jesus christ
at least ycs posters don't look like this.Average Goon
All goonswarm members are freakishly ugly trolls it is pretty much a rule I do not know where you are going with this dawg
quote this if ur down
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:47:00 -
[398]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Most Goonfleet-related YCS posting I've seen has more to do with how they hate EVE so if you're going to hop on that bandwagon you might want to contemplate why you're posting about it with an EVE account.
just a shame thats the only place eve related posts are allowed now huh.
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:48:00 -
[399]
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Most Goonfleet-related YCS posting I've seen has more to do with how they hate EVE so if you're going to hop on that bandwagon you might want to contemplate why you're posting about it with an EVE account.
just a shame thats the only place eve related posts are allowed now huh.
you do know that we don't use SA for eve related things right?
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CrispyKritters
Caldari
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:48:00 -
[400]
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 05:47:19
Originally by: State OFMInd
Edited by: State OFMInd on 01/06/2007 05:40:00
Originally by: Sir Lolle
When I say that ycs is the worst forum on all of SA I mean it is even worse than gbs and jesus christ
at least ycs posters don't look like this.Average Goon
At least theres a woman in that picture
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:49:00 -
[401]
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 05:47:19
Originally by: State OFMInd
Edited by: State OFMInd on 01/06/2007 05:40:00
Originally by: Sir Lolle
When I say that ycs is the worst forum on all of SA I mean it is even worse than gbs and jesus christ
at least ycs posters don't look like this.Average Goon
At least theres a woman in that picture
thats his mother...
Originally by: Mittani
Summary:
1. YCS poster Kassoon digs up funny,nerd rage 30 minute Goonfleet speech and edits it
http://www.sendspace.com/file/zqwejr
2. Mawg sends angry PM AxeManiac saying posters in YCS are breaking copyright laws since he is a professional voice actor and the inspirational goonfleet speech is copyrighted material. Therefore he has a right to sue people who download the goonfleet speech off a public website and create parody mixes of it.
3. AxeManiac creates a rap themed parody of the original angering Mawg even more
http://rapidshare.com/files/3452895...uadrap.mp3.html
4. After some more mod sass and spewing of Eve Online conspiracy theories Mawg gets sent on a vacation
mittani is mad
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rycar
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:50:00 -
[402]
Originally by: State OFMInd
here, enjoy this - axemaniac asked for this to be posted here. Axe Maniac - The Musical
pro-click
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Potenza
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:50:00 -
[403]
Edited by: Potenza on 01/06/2007 05:50:14
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Most Goonfleet-related YCS posting I've seen has more to do with how they hate EVE so if you're going to hop on that bandwagon you might want to contemplate why you're posting about it with an EVE account.
No its just interesting that you always talk about how you love SA and don't really care about EVE but in reality most SA hate you guys and you made a 30min whine speach with a voice actor that you tryed to claim copyright on. Even BOB has never tryed anything that bad.
I could go into alot of rl stuff aswell (both your ex CEOs lol) but what Ive posted is enough lol irony pwned for now
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:51:00 -
[404]
btw, according to sgbs, you guys are supposed to pretend the whole 'imma sue you over copyright violations' is a joke...so....pretend that you totally rolled us now please
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CrispyKritters
Caldari
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:52:00 -
[405]
Originally by: Frug
Originally by: Lenny Lowcut
Dramatic BS with some touch of reality swamped with self righteous stink.
If only you guys weren't acting like stupid little children about this whole Eve thing and throwing a tantrum in a way that really just messes up our game for no reason, I'd agree with you.
I'm sorry about YOUR game. I'll try to respect and value your opinions more. In fact, I value everyone's opinion and I would like to hear them at [email protected]
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Potenza
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:52:00 -
[406]
Originally by: State OFMInd
btw, according to sgbs, you guys are supposed to pretend the whole 'imma sue you over copyright violations' is a joke...so....pretend that you totally rolled us now please
Mawg didnt seem to think it was funny =/
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:52:00 -
[407]
Originally by: CrispyKritters
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 04:07:04
Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 04:06:28
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
I wasn't arguing about stereotypes. They are what they are. I was commenting on the fact that the only people who think the word N****r is funny are Klansmen and bloated, ignorant, mollycoddled, first-world youth.
You edited, you sneaky goon.
No, obviously they haven't. However, the point stands. Chinese isk farmer is not the same as N****r...
Since you sound somewhat serious... I'll give you a somewhat serious answer. You argue all high and mighty about racism but yet you stereotype: by linking "goons/goonies" as racist immature homophobes.
You are also stereotyping about "goons" as being "first-world" spoiled "youths", neglecting the fact that maybe some of them are third world diseased and dirty immigrants.
There are so many layers of irony at work here, I had to open a new bottle of rum...
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:54:00 -
[408]
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: State OFMInd
btw, according to sgbs, you guys are supposed to pretend the whole 'imma sue you over copyright violations' is a joke...so....pretend that you totally rolled us now please
Mawg didnt seem to think it was funny =/
he was in on it man, it's all a joke..god you guys are so stupid!!!!!!!!
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Kaplanelle
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:55:00 -
[409]
It is kind of amusing that the OP didn't catch the gist of what Goons are--but hey, that's cool.
A few things to note:
* Someone made you a custom avatar within a week, wholly unsolicited
* We do have love-ins with our alliance members
* After Mitanni's "we're broke" thread, goons independantly fundraised/debt forgave a very hefty sum over one weekend.
* There a more than a few black and/or *** people in GS. Hell, we gots a tranny too.
El, ya kinda missed the entire point. There are some
goons, like me, that were sponsored and have no SA affiliation. But you you don't need to be from SA to get how GS people ass around. We trade catchphrases, bicker like little children and say crude things for the sheer joy of playing in the mud of the taboo. And oh, there's malice--but its mainly for stupidity and weak humor, and lol fittings. (Laser Ravens, or fitting s/m/l guns on a BS)
If a member of the Goonswarm community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of ***gotry, we bid you good luck in finding an alliance that meets your needs.
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Potenza
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:55:00 -
[410]
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: State OFMInd
btw, according to sgbs, you guys are supposed to pretend the whole 'imma sue you over copyright violations' is a joke...so....pretend that you totally rolled us now please
Mawg didnt seem to think it was funny =/
he was in on it man, it's all a joke..god you guys are so stupid!!!!!!!!
State I've decided that all my posts are copyright worthy so no one better quote me or I'll be forced to hire goons special lawyer and sue you.
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 05:58:00 -
[411]
Edited by: State OFMInd on 01/06/2007 05:59:52
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: State OFMInd
btw, according to sgbs, you guys are supposed to pretend the whole 'imma sue you over copyright violations' is a joke...so....pretend that you totally rolled us now please
Mawg didnt seem to think it was funny =/
he was in on it man, it's all a joke..god you guys are so stupid!!!!!!!!
State I've decided that all my posts are copyright worthy so no one better quote me or I'll be forced to hire goons special lawyer and sue you.
darn let me get out my checkbook to pay you the sum of 0 dollars to make up for your losses
more from mittani.
Originally by: Mittani
Basically the economy of Goonfleet is based around luring in impressionable newbies and brainwashing them into spending all their time making money for the group, like Scientology.
seems there newbie drives are taking a hit
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WARPIG3
Gallente
Iron Dragon Corp
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:03:00 -
[412]
To me this Post is more like a kick'em while they are down type, while kissing Someones behind (BOB).
Just Post A "" Looking to join BOB"" thread in Recruitment Portion on Forums.
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:04:00 -
[413]
it keeps getting better
Originally by: Hydrosan
anyways, the whole thing about ccp cheating is pretty funny..
Basically somehow we (goonfleet) dug up a few pretty insignificant accusations against the operators of eve, that they were helping our enemies or helping them spy or something (since there is no way we could be losing the war because we suck), a thread was posted on the eve-o forums which was so over-run with spamming posts that it crashed the entire forum for about 2 hours...
And since CCP didn't like, fire every employee or whatever in response a lot of goons are quitting and crying about it.
hydrosan is a goon director, or ham monster, or something.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:04:00 -
[414]
Originally by: Potenza
lol irony pwned
ok seriously what's a self-respecting YCS poster like yourself doing with an EVE account?
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Potenza
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:06:00 -
[415]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Potenza
lol irony pwned
ok seriously what's a self-respecting YCS poster like yourself doing with an EVE account?
I don't have an SA account (not since you had to pay anyway). Just interesting to see what goons really think of goonfleet. No wonder you guys are so angry.
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Svaha Norbu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:07:00 -
[416]
Originally by: State OFMInd
btw, according to sgbs, you guys are supposed to pretend the whole 'imma sue you over copyright violations' is a joke...so....pretend that you totally rolled us now please
Where does it say that?
Yeah mawg spawn is stupid, and we are doomed.
UNLESS...
*frantically pulls some levers and fiddles with some apparatus*
Nope. Doomed.
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:08:00 -
[417]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Potenza
lol irony pwned
ok seriously what's a self-respecting YCS poster like yourself doing with an EVE account?
shes not really a ycs poster, she just followed a link given by some dude earlier in the thread. i came from some link by some dude in that thread linked by the dude in this thread from where he linked too from that thread the message to come to this thread from axemaniac and post about how pathetic you all are was in that thread (the thread linked earlier in this thread that is)
did i mention most of sa (fyad\ycs\helldump) think you guys are a taint on the good goon name? -good goon name- GGN, that's copyrighted btw.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:08:00 -
[418]
Originally by: DiuxDium
Originally by: Vesel4ak
When I look at long post of eleuthereus and think about his big work for make it I do following conclusion:
eleuthereus are one of GM's alt in GS and just want to some washing of CCP reputation.
No, goons* really are bad people... -
*Goonswarm goons. Stop sullying the good names of us normal goons, who don't sue internet websites about our copyrighted 36 minute oral morale blogs.
signed.
- - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - -
If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO
BOOO!! - Ductoris
Neat look what I found - Kreul
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:11:00 -
[419]
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Potenza
lol irony pwned
ok seriously what's a self-respecting YCS poster like yourself doing with an EVE account?
I don't have an SA account (not since you had to pay anyway). Just interesting to see what goons really think of goonfleet. No wonder you guys are so angry.
SA hates us so much thousands have joined us.
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Murph Dog
The Flying Tigers
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:12:00 -
[420]
Well written by the OP, not so much by those who followed
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:13:00 -
[421]
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Potenza
lol irony pwned
ok seriously what's a self-respecting YCS poster like yourself doing with an EVE account?
I don't have an SA account (not since you had to pay anyway). Just interesting to see what goons really think of goonfleet. No wonder you guys are so angry.
SA hates us so much thousands have joined us.
you should post on the games forum about eve
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:15:00 -
[422]
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Potenza
lol irony pwned
ok seriously what's a self-respecting YCS poster like yourself doing with an EVE account?
I don't have an SA account (not since you had to pay anyway). Just interesting to see what goons really think of goonfleet. No wonder you guys are so angry.
SA hates us so much thousands have joined us.
you should post on the games forum about eve
as much as i hate to repeat myself: we don't actually use the SA forums for eve talk, goonfleet has a homepage remember.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:15:00 -
[423]
You see, Goonfleet is a lot like a filter, you run goon population through and it picks up all the fat dirty chunks.
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Machine Delta
Gamma Haulers Against Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:16:00 -
[424]
Originally by: State OFMInd
it keeps getting better
hydrosan is a goon director, or ham monster, or something.
Hydrosan is 2nd in line for succession to the throne of the eastern capital of the holy scalding pass empire. Upon his succession to the throne he will engage in glorious mortal combat with the pretender from the western capitol Nate Hammertown. May his reign preserve the swarm.
*snip* Your signature is inappropriate. Do not post it again. If you have questions, email [email protected] with a link to your signature graphic. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) |
State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:17:00 -
[425]
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Potenza
lol irony pwned
ok seriously what's a self-respecting YCS poster like yourself doing with an EVE account?
I don't have an SA account (not since you had to pay anyway). Just interesting to see what goons really think of goonfleet. No wonder you guys are so angry.
SA hates us so much thousands have joined us.
you should post on the games forum about eve
as much as i hate to repeat myself: we don't actually use the SA forums for eve talk, goonfleet has a homepage remember.
who cares. you will always be remembered as the morons that threatened to sue somethingawful for stealing your voice acting skills. we dont really care if you dont care we do care how hilarious your attempts to defend your selves are. you guys should stop by fyad some time and tell us a little bit about your selves.
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Machine Delta
Gamma Haulers Against Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:19:00 -
[426]
Originally by: State OFMInd
you guys should stop by fyad some time
u should have stayed tbqh
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:20:00 -
[427]
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Potenza
lol irony pwned
ok seriously what's a self-respecting YCS poster like yourself doing with an EVE account?
I don't have an SA account (not since you had to pay anyway). Just interesting to see what goons really think of goonfleet. No wonder you guys are so angry.
SA hates us so much thousands have joined us.
you should post on the games forum about eve
as much as i hate to repeat myself: we don't actually use the SA forums for eve talk, goonfleet has a homepage remember.
who cares. you will always be remembered as the morons that threatened to sue somethingawful for stealing your voice acting skills. we dont really care if you dont care we do care how hilarious your attempts to defend your selves are. you guys should stop by fyad some time and tell us a little bit about your selves.
we have clearly lost the battle of e-respect.
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:21:00 -
[428]
Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: State OFMInd
you guys should stop by fyad some time
u should have stayed tbqh
Originally by: Remedial
Hey guys my dumptruck full of cheetos just arrived afk 5 mins. also, i'm getting kicked out of my home for not having paid taxes, so ive got to resign.
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Potenza
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:21:00 -
[429]
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Potenza
lol irony pwned
ok seriously what's a self-respecting YCS poster like yourself doing with an EVE account?
I don't have an SA account (not since you had to pay anyway). Just interesting to see what goons really think of goonfleet. No wonder you guys are so angry.
SA hates us so much thousands have joined us.
you should post on the games forum about eve
as much as i hate to repeat myself: we don't actually use the SA forums for eve talk, goonfleet has a homepage remember.
Well if SA guys don't hate you why can't you post on games? Honestly seems like you guys are being forced to seperate from SA.
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Machine Delta
Gamma Haulers Against Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:22:00 -
[430]
Originally by: State OFMInd
[quote=Remedial
Hey guys my dumptruck full of cheetos just arrived afk 5 mins. also, i'm getting kicked out of my home for not having paid taxes, so ive got to resign.
BOOYA
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Svaha Norbu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:22:00 -
[431]
Originally by: State OFMInd
did i mention most of sa (fyad\ycs\helldump) think you guys are a taint on the good goon name? -good goon name- GGN, that's copyrighted btw.
You should listen to this man. fyad\ycs\helldump is a internet wide international authority concerning taints on the internet.
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:23:00 -
[432]
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Potenza
lol irony pwned
ok seriously what's a self-respecting YCS poster like yourself doing with an EVE account?
I don't have an SA account (not since you had to pay anyway). Just interesting to see what goons really think of goonfleet. No wonder you guys are so angry.
SA hates us so much thousands have joined us.
you should post on the games forum about eve
as much as i hate to repeat myself: we don't actually use the SA forums for eve talk, goonfleet has a homepage remember.
Well if SA guys don't hate you why can't you post on games? Honestly seems like you guys are being forced to seperate from SA.
dont confuse them with logic, their brains are so clotted by all the butter and hotpockets they sufficate them selves with they might have a stroke if you make them think too hard.
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Potenza
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:23:00 -
[433]
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: State OFMInd
you guys should stop by fyad some time
u should have stayed tbqh
Originally by: Remedial
Hey guys my dumptruck full of cheetos just arrived afk 5 mins. also, i'm getting kicked out of my home for not having paid taxes, so ive got to resign.
Not as funny as Mittari wanting goons to pay for a "Titan" (aka his college tuition)
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:23:00 -
[434]
Edited by: State OFMInd on 01/06/2007 06:23:06
Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: State OFMInd
[quote=Remedial
Hey guys my dumptruck full of cheetos just arrived afk 5 mins. also, i'm getting kicked out of my home for not having paid taxes, so ive got to resign.
BOOYA
learn to use an internet messaging forum. youd think all the time you spent circle jerking on sgbs would teach you how to quote correctly
e; quoting this before you fix your inability to count brackets
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Machine Delta
Gamma Haulers Against Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:24:00 -
[435]
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Potenza
lol irony pwned
ok seriously what's a self-respecting YCS poster like yourself doing with an EVE account?
I don't have an SA account (not since you had to pay anyway). Just interesting to see what goons really think of goonfleet. No wonder you guys are so angry.
SA hates us so much thousands have joined us.
you should post on the games forum about eve
as much as i hate to repeat myself: we don't actually use the SA forums for eve talk, goonfleet has a homepage remember.
Well if SA guys don't hate you why can't you post on games? Honestly seems like you guys are being forced to seperate from SA.
We're too meta for games now
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:25:00 -
[436]
How is "**** You And Die" hating certain goons over stupid **** the least bit remarkable? You're just throwing a few more fatties on top of a big pile, you don't need to take out an ad or anything.
Your signature has been removed due to a lack of EVE-related content. Email [email protected] if you have any questions. Thanks, Hango |
Machine Delta
Gamma Haulers Against Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:25:00 -
[437]
Originally by: State OFMInd
Edited by: State OFMInd on 01/06/2007 06:23:06
Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: State OFMInd
[quote=Remedial
Hey guys my dumptruck full of cheetos just arrived afk 5 mins. also, i'm getting kicked out of my home for not having paid taxes, so ive got to resign.
BOOYA
learn to use an internet messaging forum. youd think all the time you spent circle jerking on sgbs would teach you how to quote correctly
e; quoting this before you fix your inability to count brackets
Calling eve-o an internet messaging forum is tenuous at best.
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:25:00 -
[438]
Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Potenza
lol irony pwned
ok seriously what's a self-respecting YCS poster like yourself doing with an EVE account?
I don't have an SA account (not since you had to pay anyway). Just interesting to see what goons really think of goonfleet. No wonder you guys are so angry.
SA hates us so much thousands have joined us.
you should post on the games forum about eve
as much as i hate to repeat myself: we don't actually use the SA forums for eve talk, goonfleet has a homepage remember.
Well if SA guys don't hate you why can't you post on games? Honestly seems like you guys are being forced to seperate from SA.
We're too meta for games now
more like you were breaking the tables
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Machine Delta
Gamma Haulers Against Drama
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:27:00 -
[439]
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Potenza
lol irony pwned
ok seriously what's a self-respecting YCS poster like yourself doing with an EVE account?
I don't have an SA account (not since you had to pay anyway). Just interesting to see what goons really think of goonfleet. No wonder you guys are so angry.
SA hates us so much thousands have joined us.
you should post on the games forum about eve
as much as i hate to repeat myself: we don't actually use the SA forums for eve talk, goonfleet has a homepage remember.
Well if SA guys don't hate you why can't you post on games? Honestly seems like you guys are being forced to seperate from SA.
We're too meta for games now
more like you were breaking the tables
Why don't you 403 about it? uote]
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Tetsujin
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:27:00 -
[440]
Originally by: State OFMInd
who cares. you will always be remembered as the morons that threatened to sue somethingawful for stealing your voice acting skills. we dont really care if you dont care we do care how hilarious your attempts to defend your selves are. you guys should stop by fyad some time and tell us a little bit about your selves.
no-one threatened to sue SA for anything you dummy
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:30:00 -
[441]
Edited by: State OFMInd on 01/06/2007 06:30:04
Originally by: Tetsujin
Originally by: State OFMInd
who cares. you will always be remembered as the morons that threatened to sue somethingawful for stealing your voice acting skills. we dont really care if you dont care we do care how hilarious your attempts to defend your selves are. you guys should stop by fyad some time and tell us a little bit about your selves.
no-one threatened to sue SA for anything you dummy
Originally by: Mawg
"Hello,
There is a link in the "State of the goonion" thread in "Your Consloe sucks" subforum which contains a recording of my voice reading a speech last night to members of goonfleet on our private team speak server.
This recording is copywritten material, with the copyright owned by me.
I am a professional voice actor, and parts of this recording are possibly to be used in a revenu generating music recording which is currently being worked on by myself and several other members of goonfleet.
I therefore must demand that you remove this link immediately as it is in violation of US copyright laws. "
yeah, telling him he needs to remove it because its copyrighed is in no way a threat.
mawg - butter trolls unleash the album (RnB)
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Muro Deez
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:30:00 -
[442]
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: State OFMInd
you guys should stop by fyad some time
u should have stayed tbqh
Originally by: Remedial
Hey guys my dumptruck full of cheetos just arrived afk 5 mins. also, i'm getting kicked out of my home for not having paid taxes, so ive got to resign.
Not as funny as Mittari wanting goons to pay for a "Titan" (aka his college tuition)
yeah damn that mittari guy
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:34:00 -
[443]
Edited by: State OFMInd on 01/06/2007 06:32:51
Originally by: Muro Deez
Originally by: Potenza
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Machine Delta
Originally by: State OFMInd
you guys should stop by fyad some time
u should have stayed tbqh
Originally by: Remedial
Hey guys my dumptruck full of cheetos just arrived afk 5 mins. also, i'm getting kicked out of my home for not having paid taxes, so ive got to resign.
Not as funny as Mittari wanting goons to pay for a "Titan" (aka his college tuition)
yeah damn that mittari guy
mawg
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:34:00 -
[444]
This was probably a long time coming because EVE threads on SA have been almost uniformly terrible.
(much like my/your/goonfleet's/ycs's posting)
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:35:00 -
[445]
Goons who play MMOs are in general just big idiots I mean who would want to pay to play some dumb game online especially a game as dumb as eve LOL
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:35:00 -
[446]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
This was probably a long time coming because EVE threads on SA have been almost uniformly terrible.
(much like my/your/goonfleet's/ycs's posting)
all posts everywhere are terrible. you should stop posting ill follow suit ( scouts honor )
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Muro Deez
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:37:00 -
[447]
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Snowden Vel
This was probably a long time coming because EVE threads on SA have been almost uniformly terrible.
(much like my/your/goonfleet's/ycs's posting)
all posts everywhere are terrible. you should stop posting ill follow suit ( scouts honor )
aren't ycs just all the gamefaq posters that mowed enough lawns for tenbux anyway
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:37:00 -
[448]
Originally by: Sir Lolle
Goons who play MMOs are in general just big idiots I mean who would want to pay to play some dumb game online especially a game as dumb as eve LOL
maybe you should get some sun
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Effects
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:37:00 -
[449]
Originally by: Frug
Originally by: DiuxDium
Originally by: Vesel4ak
When I look at long post of eleuthereus and think about his big work for make it I do following conclusion:
eleuthereus are one of GM's alt in GS and just want to some washing of CCP reputation.
No, goons* really are bad people... -
*Goonswarm goons. Stop sullying the good names of us normal goons, who don't sue internet websites about our copyrighted 36 minute oral morale blogs.
signed.
Holy crap aren't you that guy who was ****ting up the original thread before it was moved to YCS?
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:39:00 -
[450]
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Snowden Vel
This was probably a long time coming because EVE threads on SA have been almost uniformly terrible.
(much like my/your/goonfleet's/ycs's posting)
all posts everywhere are terrible. you should stop posting ill follow suit ( scouts honor )
ok i'll stop i'm going to bed ~goodnight~
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State OFMInd
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:40:00 -
[451]
Edited by: State OFMInd on 01/06/2007 06:39:38
Originally by: Muro Deez
Originally by: State OFMInd
Originally by: Snowden Vel
This was probably a long time coming because EVE threads on SA have been almost uniformly terrible.
(much like my/your/goonfleet's/ycs's posting)
all posts everywhere are terrible. you should stop posting ill follow suit ( scouts honor )
aren't ycs just all the gamefaq posters that mowed enough lawns for tenbux anyway
quoting muro deez itt
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 06:56:00 -
[452]
Originally by: Effects
Originally by: Frug
Originally by: DiuxDium
Originally by: Vesel4ak
When I look at long post of eleuthereus and think about his big work for make it I do following conclusion:
eleuthereus are one of GM's alt in GS and just want to some washing of CCP reputation.
No, goons* really are bad people... -
*Goonswarm goons. Stop sullying the good names of us normal goons, who don't sue internet websites about our copyrighted 36 minute oral morale blogs.
signed.
Holy crap aren't you that guy who was ****ting up the original thread before it was moved to YCS?
Hahaha it totally is hello friend Frug I am pleased to see you! Sorry about Eve being banned from SA but I am sure you will find somewhere else to whine endlessly about da ebil haxsploiting goons soon enough!
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Ladyah Liandri
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.06.01 07:27:00 -
[453]
I applaude eleuthereus for his courage, openness and outstanding writing style. Just one excellent post that should get a sticky.
It is rather hilarious how Goons actually confirmed every bit eleuthereus had to said about them with their replies.
Nice move I'd say.
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Dop Sutol
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Posted - 2007.06.01 07:39:00 -
[454]
This thread reminds me of smoking sherm, it is surreal. I don't think I have ever seen a MMORPG quite like this one with its weirdness.
I'm now at a point where I could care less if CCP were to admit to spawning BoB Titans or Goonfleet were to say "We are mad genius social engineers trying to take down CCP for double the pleasure and fun." I think after this day, I am permanently addicted to Eve.
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Kiko Goatbiter
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 07:41:00 -
[455]
Why don't you troll eve-o about it
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.06.01 07:49:00 -
[456]
Edited by: Frug on 01/06/2007 07:49:42
Originally by: Dop Sutol
This thread reminds me of smoking sherm, it is surreal. I don't think I have ever seen a MMORPG quite like this one with its weirdness.
I'm now at a point where I could care less if CCP were to admit to spawning BoB Titans or Goonfleet were to say "We are mad genius social engineers trying to take down CCP for double the pleasure and fun." I think after this day, I am permanently addicted to Eve.
All this is just so wonderfully odd.
It really, really is. The goons are banning themselves from their own forums over this. If you think you're confused, you should see what's going on over there. Heck, a goon made this:
http://goonion.ytmnd.com/
Mainly because these goons are not those goons, but these goons act like they represent all goons goon goonerie goonionationization ugh.
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Davey Oaks
Minmatar
Original Pirating Material
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Posted - 2007.06.01 08:15:00 -
[457]
Great read, definetly explained the whole goonswarm thing with out having to traul through lots of spam.
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Lydia Brightlance
Gallente
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.06.01 08:20:00 -
[458]
Originally by: Cringeley
Edited by: Cringeley on 31/05/2007 23:15:58
You have to ask yourself where this play style came from.
Goonfleet, and previously the individuals who founded goonfleet, have been getting shat on by Eve's so-called community from the time they joined. They were victims of Istvaan Shogatsu. Then goonfleet was formed and started getting wailed on by the entire population of Syndicate, and then D2.
After fighting ourselves to exhaustion in XZH we faced a grudge war from BoB aimed at making us give up and quit the game, which your precious LV decided to follow up by sending elite gankers into our space to kill our newbies in their ospreys.
So if you want to know why there is a hint of bitterness and hate in our rhetoric (but only in our rhetoric) this is why: Because Eve's "community" is a hate filled, cruel, miserable "community" and it has taught us well.
Actually, this play style has been used by the Goons before they even came to Eve. It has nothing to do with the way they were treated (or maybe they were treated because of their style in the first place). The Goons have acted in this exact way in dozens of other games and online communities and 90% of the time their behaviour has caused upheaval, damage and outrage.
I know they are just trying to have fun (and trying to impress the webmaster of SA) and that their behaviour is not meant to be of any substance, but no matter if they mean it to be so or not, if you act abusive or rude it will be seen as such, if you meant it or not.
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Ladyah Liandri
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.06.01 08:21:00 -
[459]
Originally by: Kiko Goatbiter
Why don't you troll eve-o about it
'cause your trolling is sufficient.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.06.01 08:27:00 -
[460]
To the OP: Ok. Hope you got it all out of your system. You must have struck a nerve judging by the spam...
To the Goons: Goony poo poo goon goony loving sweet caress?
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Faith Black
Minmatar
Rolls Roids
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Posted - 2007.06.01 08:27:00 -
[461]
*moderated* completely inappropriate - Karass
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Salastils Alt
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 08:59:00 -
[462]
The funny part is, this is the exact same tactic we used to field so many GIA agents. Drama bomb occurs and you want to leave the evil Goonswarm to protect you, E-honor, assets, or fun in the game. Just last time we did it alot more flashy with the VCBee's. |
BobFromMarketing
Amarr
H.Y.D.R.A.
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 09:17:00 -
[463]
Originally by: Laustin Spayce
That entire wall of text. I read it all, and I have to say. With what you said, I have never been as proud as I am now to be a goon. :patriot:
This
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.06.01 09:20:00 -
[464]
Originally by: Effects
Holy crap aren't you that guy who was ****ting up the original thread before it was moved to YCS?
No.
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If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO
BOOO!! - Ductoris
Neat look what I found - Kreul
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Killdren
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 09:24:00 -
[465]
Hey instead of playing a game and enjoying ourselves let's post about honor on eve-o and use stupid catchphrases or maybe we could make long pointless speeches about our internet empire on teamspeak then try to sue something awful I think that would be more fun don't you agree
anyway I'm going to bed I don't plan on skimming this thread for responses in the morning
:colbert:
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Dynamist
Antipodean inc.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.01 09:25:00 -
[466]
Respect to me for reading your entire story.
However, more respect to the OP for writing it all out!
My first 0.0 was also ASCN just as the war was kicking off. Made for some fun times anyway! A good read, and nice to get some balanced perspective on life in the south.
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Alerion
Acquire
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Posted - 2007.06.01 09:35:00 -
[467]
To the OP: It was long but a very well written and interesting post.
If anything can make me reconsider my account cancelling, this post was it.
See you in space!
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Chill Yo
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Posted - 2007.06.01 09:47:00 -
[468]
To eleuthereus:
Thank you and respect.
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Skape Gote
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.01 09:47:00 -
[469]
I've listened to the "State of the Goonian" address and all I could do was shake my head in despair.
Goons are a cancer on this game and they need some serious chemo.
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endeavour x
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Posted - 2007.06.01 09:49:00 -
[470]
So GS are imature, rude, scam and gank.
BoB use devs to get things done faster than normal routes.
Have we learnt anything in the last few days? Any one? Anything at all.....?
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Andrachim Tar'nar
The first genesis
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Posted - 2007.06.01 09:51:00 -
[471]
Woah, one of the best things I have ever read on the EVE-O forums.
Hats off!
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Erotic Irony
RONA Deepspace
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Posted - 2007.06.01 10:13:00 -
[472]
Can anyone really be as naive as the op?
While we're on the subject of perceived pathological deviance, I saw this a few pages back:
Wheee furries.
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Tetsujin
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 10:21:00 -
[473]
Originally by: Skape Gote
Goons are a cancer on this game and they need some serious chemo.
Much like your mother.
I'm sorry to be the one who broke the bad news.
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Cheval Blanc
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Posted - 2007.06.01 10:29:00 -
[474]
So remember kids: you too, can join Goonswarm, and become a director (or not really one but think you are!). All you need to do is be at the right place, at the right time (i.e. stuck in your LV base), sign some songs on TS and voila, you're now a ***got!
I laugh at the pubbies that take this guy's opinion as if he were worth a single ISK. Seems that anything longer than a page will get chants and applause, despite it being a lolercoaster of ***gotry and drama. I could write a poem about EVE, make a pdf and GD would be all over it.
Enjoy your new position in BoB!
ps **** goons
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Adm Tecumseh
Caldari
The Templars Knights
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Posted - 2007.06.01 10:31:00 -
[475]
Edited by: Adm Tecumseh on 01/06/2007 10:46:08
self moderated.
Lets all work together to ease the burden of the over worked mods.
Starting with goons stop posting
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Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.01 10:35:00 -
[476]
Edited by: Anille Kole on 01/06/2007 10:34:59
Note: Sorry to post this so late after the original posts, but the thread grew pretty fast while I was asleep, and the guy I'm responding to recently posted.
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Edited by: Snowden Vel on 01/06/2007 01:44:16
Originally by: Anille Kole
"behaving exactly the same as thousands of other players" only applies because your alliance of several thousand + their non-GoonSwarm alts are the ones that behave that way.
I'll go ahead and break it down then, using the OP as a source.
- piracy: Goons pirate. You have us there. I love it. But so do many other pilots who I've seen around lowsec. In fact, most lowsec pirates aren't goons, because we usually fight in 0.0.
- profanity/racism: First off, I've seen non-goon pilots unleash massive, mind-bending torrents of profanity at myself and other goons all across the galaxy, usually for stuff like cloaked idling or piracy. As for racism, it's already been pointed out, but it's generally tongue in cheek stuff that happens on our private forums, as opposed to the blatant "logoffski" style racism that many, many people constantly use ingame.
- scamming: Scams using ingame mechanics have been around long before goons, and will be around long after we all leave for the POTBS beta in a week.
- forums posting: plenty of people in this thread have posted just as much as goons, it's simply a function of the fact that if you make thread about goons, it will involve more goons than other pilots.
- highsec ganking: this is a totally legitimate mechanic - highsec isn't totally safe, just safer. Hell, even generally respected groups like Outbreak have done it.
- attitude: I've read enough black-and-red colored pirate bios to know there's plenty of random pilots out there who like griefing other players. Most goons simply reflect the general disdain we receive from the community. How could we not love blowing you up, after all we've experienced?
Originally by: Snowden Vel
eleuthereus, I was replying to the rabid "CCP is generous you should all be banned" post, not you. I just couldn't get a solid answer from that poster about why we should be banned, so I hijacked your points
If you paid attention to what you were actually posting about, you'd know that the "disruptive behavior" is probably:
A) Exploiting, openly and often.
B) Spamming, again, openly and often.
C) Trolling, often, but behind your alts(or your mains, which can also be seen as alts given what their employment status is and therefore being an unknown), typically in an organized fashion, or just at the mention of BoB, devs, CCP, Goons, donges, or whatever your meme of the hour is.
D) Smacking in local, (third time is the charm) openly and often. Smacktalk is like oxygen to GoonSwarm members I've been in local with.
E) A fairly obvious and organized attempt(even though there was no public evidence that the GoonSwarm leaders premeditated it, there's plenty of obvious reasons why it was.) to try to make CCP look ebil and mean.
This means that most people aren't mad at you for pirating, talking, being disrespectful, scamming, or ganking. They're mad at you for exploiting, spamming, trolling, smacktalking as a standard, and trying to attack CCP. This is only the stuff you've done in the past few weeks, too. People like myself, who have known your group longer, know much more about your "fun".
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Cheval Blanc
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Posted - 2007.06.01 10:39:00 -
[477]
Get off your horse, Anille Kole. As if BoB has never exploited either? As if goons' desires to ruin the game EVE makes the admins and other alliances, who have exploited far more than the goons have in terms of affecting the real 0.0 politics of EVE, makes them angels? Your pulling out more straw men than a farmer in the South would (no pun intended).
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Atari Party
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 10:46:00 -
[478]
When has Goonfleet ever not been a massive riot of hooligans and maniacs? Why is this news to anybody? |
Cheval Blanc
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Posted - 2007.06.01 10:48:00 -
[479]
Originally by: Atari Party
When has Goonfleet ever not been a massive riot of hooligans and maniacs? Why is this news to anybody?
Some people are a bit slow. Especially specific subgroups on EVE.
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Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.01 10:50:00 -
[480]
Originally by: Cheval Blanc
Get off your horse, Anille Kole. As if BoB has never exploited either? As if goons' desires to ruin the game EVE makes the admins and other alliances, who have exploited far more than the goons have in terms of affecting the real 0.0 politics of EVE, makes them angels? Your pulling out more straw men than a farmer in the South would (no pun intended).
Please note, Goon/Goon-alt, that none of my positions are straw men arguments. I listed things GoonSwarm is openly known to do, or known to have done.
I did not mention BoB. I am not comparing them to BoB in any way. BoB is irrelevant, no matter what you may think. This thread is about GoonSwarm, and GoonSwarm alone. Any other assumption is merely to draw focus away from the issue by sending it all to BoB. I mean, it's not like it's obvious when most of the supporters of GoonSwarm call out BoB for everything any time someone tries to say that they aren't very nice...
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Microsoft Sam
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.06.01 10:51:00 -
[481]
Originally by: Tetsujin
Originally by: Skape Gote
Goons are a cancer on this game and they need some serious chemo.
Much like your mother.
I'm sorry to be the one who broke the bad news.
Personal attacks? what are you 5?
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.06.01 10:54:00 -
[482]
Originally by: Anille Kole
Please note, Goon/Goon-alt, that none of my positions are straw men arguments.
[SNIP]
BoB is irrelevant, no matter what you may think.
Ignore that enormous chunk of space they control, and the even bigger one they influence. /jedimindtrick
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Cheval Blanc
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Posted - 2007.06.01 10:58:00 -
[483]
Originally by: Anille Kole
Originally by: Cheval Blanc
Get off your horse, Anille Kole. As if BoB has never exploited either? As if goons' desires to ruin the game EVE makes the admins and other alliances, who have exploited far more than the goons have in terms of affecting the real 0.0 politics of EVE, makes them angels? Your pulling out more straw men than a farmer in the South would (no pun intended).
Please note, Goon/Goon-alt, that none of my positions are straw men arguments. I listed things GoonSwarm is openly known to do, or known to have done.
I did not mention BoB. I am not comparing them to BoB in any way. BoB is irrelevant, no matter what you may think. This thread is about GoonSwarm, and GoonSwarm alone. Any other assumption is merely to draw focus away from the issue by sending it all to BoB. I mean, it's not like it's obvious when most of the supporters of GoonSwarm call out BoB for everything any time someone tries to say that they aren't very nice...
Sorry, maybe I should make my references more explicit when miming BoB's exact strategy in blaming Goonfleet, as seen during the 'scandal', and how they are trying to 'destroy EVE', which they are open about. Breaking news, Goonfleet has a potty mouth, news at 8.
And if you indeed claim you are not putting out straw men, then you are in fact accepting double standards against Goonfleet. They are just as bad as many other corps/alliances in terms of exploitation and poor manners. In fact, I'd argue many are even worse. POS bowling? Hell Goonfleet doesn't even the ships to do such things, the poor ****tards.
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cal nereus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.06.01 11:02:00 -
[484]
Goons are griefing EVE, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I think it is awesome that Goonswarm exists. The gigantic blobs, the griefing, the lolz: EVE just wouldn't be the same without it. In fact, EVE might actually become SERIOUS without Goons around. *gasp* I know, hard to believe, taking games seriously. Who does such a silly thing? :D
I <3 Goons.
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Chequrself
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.01 11:02:00 -
[485]
Man at first I thought this was a recruitment drive thread ;p
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Cheval Blanc
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Posted - 2007.06.01 11:05:00 -
[486]
you'd think EVE would appreciate some comedic relief.
all that would be left would be: macro miners, pirates & pubbies (same thing in most respects), and a bunch of too serious "omgomg petition!!" alliances trying to fight over 0.0 in some eternal pendulum war. oh, and of course t2 BPOs would still be made for certain people, communicated through certain programs.
wait, isn't that exactly what we wanted? down with the goons!
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Nefera Sen
The Senators of The Confederation
The Confederation
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Posted - 2007.06.01 11:22:00 -
[487]
I think we should all war dec goons on mass... come one eve, lets show em people power!
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Atari Party
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 11:28:00 -
[488]
Edited by: Atari Party on 01/06/2007 11:28:16
Originally by: Cheval Blanc
Originally by: Atari Party
When has Goonfleet ever not been a massive riot of hooligans and maniacs? Why is this news to anybody?
Some people are a bit slow. Especially specific subgroups on EVE.
Apparently. All of a sudden it's like this big shock.
"Oh my word! They... they did what? To whom? My lord, what scoundrels and rapscallions! Shackle the lot of them and pray they seek pennance for their cruel and barbarous misdoings!"
Originally by: Microsoft Sam
Originally by: Tetsujin
Originally by: Skape Gote
Goons are a cancer on this game and they need some serious chemo.
Much like your mother.
I'm sorry to be the one who broke the bad news.
Personal attacks? what are you 5?
You DO realize calling goons a cancer is an attack too, right? Did the logic bus just magically skip a few stops today?
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Jaikar Isillia
The Vinlanders
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.01 11:32:00 -
[489]
Everyones just so angry :(
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Atari Party
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 11:32:00 -
[490]
Originally by: Jaikar Isillia
Everyones just so angry :(
The internet is SERIOUS BUISNESS
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cal nereus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.06.01 11:36:00 -
[491]
Originally by: Atari Party
Originally by: Jaikar Isillia
Everyones just so angry :(
The internet is SERIOUS BUSINESS
I took the liberty of correcting your spelling error, as such mistakes are a great injustice to the EVE community. You deserve nothing less than a slap on the wrist for such a grave error.
I <3 Goons.
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Dyfed
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 11:36:00 -
[492]
Originally by: Jaikar Isillia
Everyones just so angry :(
Yeah I know.
Hey, to cancel out the anger does anyone want a free lawl?
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Tetsujin
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 11:38:00 -
[493]
Originally by: Chequrself
Man at first I thought this was a recruitment drive thread ;p
Well we do seem to be out one person who wasn't a director but for some reason thought he was if you're interested.
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Atari Party
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 11:38:00 -
[494]
Originally by: cal nereus
Originally by: Atari Party
Originally by: Jaikar Isillia
Everyones just so angry :(
The internet is SERIOUS BUSINESS
I took the liberty of correcting your spelling error, as such mistakes are a great injustice to the EVE community. You deserve nothing less than a slap on the wrist for such a grave error.
I <3 Goons.
Trap sprung.
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Chequrself
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.01 11:38:00 -
[495]
Edited by: Chequrself on 01/06/2007 11:37:58
Originally by: Atari Party
rapscallions!
And the word for the day children is "rapscallions" .. say it with me now "rapscallions"
Now in a sentence "All eve pirates are rapscallions". Excellent work children, no go play. :lol:
In all seriousness tho, why would all of eve decend on GS simply for being rapscallions, lol I love that word, when they can't even get motivated to do something about an alliance that has been openly exposed as cheats.
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Minmatar
Universal Exports
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Posted - 2007.06.01 11:56:00 -
[496]
Originally by: Chequrself
Edited by: Chequrself on 01/06/2007 11:37:58
Originally by: Atari Party
rapscallions!
And the word for the day children is "rapscallions" .. say it with me now "rapscallions"
Now in a sentence "All eve pirates are rapscallions". Excellent work children, no go play. :lol:
In all seriousness tho, why would all of eve decend on GS simply for being rapscallions, lol I love that word, when they can't even get motivated to do something about an alliance that has been openly exposed as cheats.
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Actually all this came to be after the Coalition tried to take on BOB for being cheats (i mean, everyone already hated BOB but this was the last straw - i am talking about the t20-gate), but falling back, eventually getting stagnant into a loss position and THEN, as a consequence, having the Goons deciding that if they are going to lose, then they will try and take down the game from the outside with them, as well.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Anille Kole
A) Exploiting, openly and often.
B) Spamming, again, openly and often.
C) Trolling, often, but behind your alts(or your mains, which can also be seen as alts given what their employment status is and therefore being an unknown), typically in an organized fashion, or just at the mention of BoB, devs, CCP, Goons, donges, or whatever your meme of the hour is.
D) Smacking in local, (third time is the charm) openly and often. Smacktalk is like oxygen to GoonSwarm members I've been in local with.
E) A fairly obvious and organized attempt(even though there was no public evidence that the GoonSwarm leaders premeditated it, there's plenty of obvious reasons why it was.) to try to make CCP look ebil and mean.
Okay my turn again:
a) There's only one thing I can think of that you'd be talking about, and I'm not eve sure it's even ongoing, but last I'd heard CCP had no plans to ban anyone for it and months ago they implemented something that made it moot. If you're talking about some sort of "lagsploits" then you're dumb as hell and completely out of touch with reality.
b) What? The volume of goon posting is a function of our size, not frequency. If you're talking about the threadnaught thing, that's not "often". If you're talking about fofo, that's one line by each goon and happens approximately once in a blue moon.
c) We're being accused of alt trolling by the University of Caille? Thanks for this. Though I'm sure I've seen a few goon CAOD altposts here and there over the last few months that's no different than the rest of the EVE population. There's nothing extraordinary or ban-worthy about this.
d) Goons have a still-standing "no local" rule so please screenshot all incidents of this and forward them to Arghy. On fleet ops, I barely ever see anything in local unless Tolon is drunk. Most goons realize how ******** arguing in local sounds and will make fun of any goons who do it. In contrast, I refer you to the "mind-bending torrent of profanity" I've seen from other players in local. I'm fairly sure goons actually smack far less than most pilots. Regardless, none of this is bannable and it's a fairly common point across the EVE community.
e) We've already discussed intent at great length at the thread, so I'm just going to say that heavy-handed moderation of our initial inquiries did a far better job of casting CCP in that light than we ever could have. If goons really hated this game they'd quit without a fight.
Again, none of this is bannable or even uncommon across the community.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:06:00 -
[498]
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: Chequrself
Edited by: Chequrself on 01/06/2007 11:37:58
Originally by: Atari Party
rapscallions!
And the word for the day children is "rapscallions" .. say it with me now "rapscallions"
Now in a sentence "All eve pirates are rapscallions". Excellent work children, no go play. :lol:
In all seriousness tho, why would all of eve decend on GS simply for being rapscallions, lol I love that word, when they can't even get motivated to do something about an alliance that has been openly exposed as cheats.
.
Actually all this came to be after the Coalition tried to take on BOB for being cheats (i mean, everyone already hated BOB but this was the last straw - i am talking about the t20-gate), but falling back, eventually getting stagnant into a loss position and THEN, as a consequence, having the Goons deciding that if they are going to lose, then they will try and take down the game from the outside with them, as well.
So we're trying to bring down CCP with one hand yet continuing to pay them $50,000 a month in subscription fees with the other? That makes no sense (because it's completely untrue).
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Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:07:00 -
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First, to the OP, great post.
Personally, I can't wait till the Goons leave EvE. Their entry into this game has been a litany of hijacked threads, premature and immature 1 man corp posts, a constant and disgusting barrage of racism and sexism, with no regard to themselves, the community, or CCP. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Dead By Dawn
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:13:00 -
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Good read m8
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Minmatar
Universal Exports
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:22:00 -
[501]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: Chequrself
Edited by: Chequrself on 01/06/2007 11:37:58
Originally by: Atari Party
rapscallions!
And the word for the day children is "rapscallions" .. say it with me now "rapscallions"
Now in a sentence "All eve pirates are rapscallions". Excellent work children, no go play. :lol:
In all seriousness tho, why would all of eve decend on GS simply for being rapscallions, lol I love that word, when they can't even get motivated to do something about an alliance that has been openly exposed as cheats.
.
Actually all this came to be after the Coalition tried to take on BOB for being cheats (i mean, everyone already hated BOB but this was the last straw - i am talking about the t20-gate), but falling back, eventually getting stagnant into a loss position and THEN, as a consequence, having the Goons deciding that if they are going to lose, then they will try and take down the game from the outside with them, as well.
So we're trying to bring down CCP with one hand yet continuing to pay them $50,000 a month in subscription fees with the other? That makes no sense (because it's completely untrue).
I am afraid one thing does not exclude the other. Specially when it is not 50k per goon but just 15 +/- per month.
And when there are many ways to achieve that goal without ever leaving the game, for example, what you all just did some days ago, remember?
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:23:00 -
[502]
Edited by: Garia666 on 01/06/2007 12:35:47
Edited by: Garia666 on 01/06/2007 12:23:58
I have no good word at all for you.. YOu back stabbed LV back stabbed ADGA and my trust.
I will make sure all future corperations / alliance`s will know where u came from and what you did..
My advise is its better for you to stick where you are with the GOONs.
Thats where you belong..
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GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:27:00 -
[503]
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: Chequrself
Edited by: Chequrself on 01/06/2007 11:37:58
Originally by: Atari Party
rapscallions!
And the word for the day children is "rapscallions" .. say it with me now "rapscallions"
Now in a sentence "All eve pirates are rapscallions". Excellent work children, no go play. :lol:
In all seriousness tho, why would all of eve decend on GS simply for being rapscallions, lol I love that word, when they can't even get motivated to do something about an alliance that has been openly exposed as cheats.
.
Actually all this came to be after the Coalition tried to take on BOB for being cheats (i mean, everyone already hated BOB but this was the last straw - i am talking about the t20-gate), but falling back, eventually getting stagnant into a loss position and THEN, as a consequence, having the Goons deciding that if they are going to lose, then they will try and take down the game from the outside with them, as well.
So we're trying to bring down CCP with one hand yet continuing to pay them $50,000 a month in subscription fees with the other? That makes no sense (because it's completely untrue).
I am afraid one thing does not exclude the other. Specially when it is not 50k per goon but just 15 +/- per month.
And when there are many ways to achieve that goal without ever leaving the game, for example, what you all just did some days ago, remember?
I didn't say it's impossible, I said it's illogical. The goons who really were sick of this game voted with their feet and quit.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:28:00 -
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To all the people thinking the OP is a good post. Why? He takes 10 pages to say he's content to join and leave alliances so he can sit in the same few stations in 0.0 . If he liked LV so much then why didn't he move with them to NPC space before they fell apart? Also, the pages and pages about goons being self-righteous hypocritical racist mean idiotic peoples is only going to be embraced by any goon I know. He's not telling anything new nor insulting any goons.
OP is a coward who spends a large amount of time justifying his cowardice.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: vildmand on 01/06/2007 12:27:58
Edited by: vildmand on 01/06/2007 12:27:47
Really nice post there by the OP.
Respect
allways nice with a little story during dt.
ooh well back to the game.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:30:00 -
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during dt....
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:32:00 -
[507]
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: Chequrself
Edited by: Chequrself on 01/06/2007 11:37:58
Originally by: Atari Party
rapscallions!
And the word for the day children is "rapscallions" .. say it with me now "rapscallions"
Now in a sentence "All eve pirates are rapscallions". Excellent work children, no go play. :lol:
In all seriousness tho, why would all of eve decend on GS simply for being rapscallions, lol I love that word, when they can't even get motivated to do something about an alliance that has been openly exposed as cheats.
.
Actually all this came to be after the Coalition tried to take on BOB for being cheats (i mean, everyone already hated BOB but this was the last straw - i am talking about the t20-gate), but falling back, eventually getting stagnant into a loss position and THEN, as a consequence, having the Goons deciding that if they are going to lose, then they will try and take down the game from the outside with them, as well.
So we're trying to bring down CCP with one hand yet continuing to pay them $50,000 a month in subscription fees with the other? That makes no sense (because it's completely untrue).
I am afraid one thing does not exclude the other. Specially when it is not 50k per goon but just 15 +/- per month.
And when there are many ways to achieve that goal without ever leaving the game, for example, what you all just did some days ago, remember?
You seem to confuse most people's frustration with CCP's complete lack of policies, questionable hiring practice and oh yeah t20 owns part of the company no wonder nothing happened with that, disclosure much with actual distaste for EVE.
People like EVE. Goons like EVE. At this point I, them and plenty of unrelated parties on the forum don't like CCP. That in hot blood, I, them and others would say that we hope CCP goes down is perhaps an expression of how much we love the game and wish they'd stop screwing with it.
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Amarr
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:38:00 -
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Long, but good read - thank you.
Personaly I think that having DEV's and other CCP staff playing the game is great for both parties. Ok so we all want TomB in our team, but I said it first OK? Only j/k.
Btw I saw a BMW X5 with the number plate V8 7OMB the other day... real shame I did not have the gear to take a photo.
anyway back to topic, I do strongly belive that CCP need and must be allowed to play the game to be able to fully understand player and game issues only to be found on the main server. I also dont for a moment think that CCP would want to help "BoB" and no one else, as it would also be foolish to think that t20 was a stand alone issue. I do think that CCP now has there house in order and that more comunication between player and GM's/Devs are only to be promoted. The last thing we need is GM's and DEV's hiding behind the "post only" firewall.
A small suggestion that may help the petition system would be to have (like in real life) another person (CEO or similar) to have a say when the stakes are very high, loss of captial ships, banning etc. This may help to stop lots of petitions of the same subject.
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sesanti
Minmatar
Universal Exports
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:43:00 -
[509]
Originally by: James Duar
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: Chequrself
Edited by: Chequrself on 01/06/2007 11:37:58
Originally by: Atari Party
rapscallions!
And the word for the day children is "rapscallions" .. say it with me now "rapscallions"
Now in a sentence "All eve pirates are rapscallions". Excellent work children, no go play. :lol:
In all seriousness tho, why would all of eve decend on GS simply for being rapscallions, lol I love that word, when they can't even get motivated to do something about an alliance that has been openly exposed as cheats.
.
Actually all this came to be after the Coalition tried to take on BOB for being cheats (i mean, everyone already hated BOB but this was the last straw - i am talking about the t20-gate), but falling back, eventually getting stagnant into a loss position and THEN, as a consequence, having the Goons deciding that if they are going to lose, then they will try and take down the game from the outside with them, as well.
So we're trying to bring down CCP with one hand yet continuing to pay them $50,000 a month in subscription fees with the other? That makes no sense (because it's completely untrue).
I am afraid one thing does not exclude the other. Specially when it is not 50k per goon but just 15 +/- per month.
And when there are many ways to achieve that goal without ever leaving the game, for example, what you all just did some days ago, remember?
You seem to confuse most people's frustration with CCP's complete lack of policies, questionable hiring practice and oh yeah t20 owns part of the company no wonder nothing happened with that, disclosure much with actual distaste for EVE.
People like EVE. Goons like EVE. At this point I, them and plenty of unrelated parties on the forum don't like CCP. That in hot blood, I, them and others would say that we hope CCP goes down is perhaps an expression of how much we love the game and wish they'd stop screwing with it.
I agree with your post, I do not like CCP practices either and I think the majority of EVE will agree with us, but you fail to see that the only group that perpetrated the forum spamming attack were the Goons.
As much as I disliked BOB for what came up with T20 I did not plot to take the forums down in a coordinated attack. Neither did I made up stuff manipulating info on Sharkbait's petition, RP events rigging or taking for a fact a stupid brag of a BOB member who said they would get the ISD guy banned over the MSN with his DEV friend (when in reality he raised a petition, as was proven later). And I didn't try to discredit CCP on every possible online place spamming thousands of posts based on lies, either
Nor did anyone in my Alliance and I believe none in yours or any other. None took place in the forums attack nor the libel campaign outside this site within minutes of difference.
People were very vocal here, there were many threads, but manageable, not THOUSANDS of "spontaneous" threads all belonging to the same ingame group.
That's what I mean. In no way do I approve CCP lack of proper politics, just as you and the rest of the community probably don't.
But i also fail to see how a DoS attack, and massive desacreditation based on lies, from only ONE group, would help the situation. Hell, I fail to see how it could not be on purpose to have thousands of people post in different places in just a few hours. No other group of people ingame other than the GOONS did it. What transpired is obvious.
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Originally by: sesanti
That's what I mean. In no way do I approve CCP lack of proper politics, just as you and the rest of the community probably don't.
But i also fail to see how a DoS attack, and massive desacreditation based on lies, from only ONE group, would help the situation. Hell, I fail to see how it could not be on purpose to have thousands of people post in different places in just a few hours. No other group of people ingame other than the GOONS did it. What transpired is obvious.
No, it's not obvious just because you say it is, particularly when ele specifically says otherwise. It was an attempt to raise the profile of the issue to the point where CCP had to address it. Whether there was no fire where we saw smoke is largely irrelevant as to intent; at the time things looked bad to us since DS1's initial inquiries about the Sharkbait thing were deleted and buried by CCP without a response.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:51:00 -
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Ugh, playing the game with super capitals in the field is actually so boring now that it's more entertaining to write 20 page forum write ups about EVE ethics?
I can't say I'm terribly surprised, I guess this is what happens when you have to watch 4 titans try to bounce things out of a POS for hours while being immune to everything in the game, get your friends at CCP to declare it not an exploit, then get them to declare it an exploit once again the second your enemies use it against you.
Seriously CCP, do you see what you're making people resort to with these things? Just move super capitals off to some other universe and get them off TQ. Otherwise your forums are going to become more busy than your 0.0 system servers.
I think it's time to go to Jita and create a superweapon using thousands of frigates and smartbombs to create a similar effect.
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Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:52:00 -
[512]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: sesanti
That's what I mean. In no way do I approve CCP lack of proper politics, just as you and the rest of the community probably don't.
But i also fail to see how a DoS attack, and massive desacreditation based on lies, from only ONE group, would help the situation. Hell, I fail to see how it could not be on purpose to have thousands of people post in different places in just a few hours. No other group of people ingame other than the GOONS did it. What transpired is obvious.
No, it's not obvious just because you say it is, particularly when ele specifically says otherwise. It was an attempt to raise the profile of the issue to the point where CCP had to address it. Whether there was no fire where we saw smoke is largely irrelevant as to intent; at the time things looked bad to us since DS1's initial inquiries about the Sharkbait thing were deleted and buried by CCP without a response.
Exactly. A coordinated attack wouldn't have needed any content about something people were actually concerned about. Motivating the internet to post 1000's of messages about "donges" and "buttes" is hardly a monumental task.
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GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Kiih on 01/06/2007 13:19:22
Originally by: State OFMInd
who cares. you will always be remembered as the morons that threatened to sue somethingawful for stealing your voice acting skills. we dont really care if you dont care we do care how hilarious your attempts to defend your selves are. you guys should stop by fyad some time and tell us a little bit about your selves.
has anyone claiming to be a fyad poster on another forum ever not lied about it in a snide attempt to look cool
because if this thread was in fyad and you were posting on your forums account im pretty sure youd be laughed at much like here as well
you are incredibly unfyad
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Let talk about something fun instead. The goonies arent allowed to talk about EVE on their favorite forums anymore (somethingawful) becouse they made a threat to sue the owner of the forums for not removing links to their state of the gonnian that was edited by other SA members to mock them.
And on top of that their new CEO has been banned for life from said forums, and the rest of the goonies are being mocked by all the people at SA forums.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: DiuxDium on 01/06/2007 13:43:26
You know, I try to post in ships and modules forum, and yet somehow my post goes here. GOON HAXSPLOITS ITT!
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Originally by: Snowden Vel
Whether there was no fire where we saw smoke is largely irrelevant as to intent; at the time things looked bad to us since DS1's initial inquiries about the Sharkbait thing were deleted and buried by CCP without a response.
Perhaps it was just smoke and mirrors.
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[517]
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll
Originally by: Sochin
My only comment would be that I think people misinterpreted Dianabolic's comments. He readily admitted that some BoB members were friendly with developers, because he doesn't see anything wrong with that. He did not admit to using these contacts to gain any sort of advantage.
Jesus Christ.
Wait? BoB has contacts with Jesus Christ too? Now we're ALL screwed!
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Gallente
Aliastra
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Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 14:08:33
Originally by: Tetsujin
Well we do seem to be out one person who wasn't a director but for some reason thought he was if you're interested.
Originally by: Cheval Blanc
So remember kids: you too, can join Goonswarm, and become a director (or not really one but think you are!). All you need to do is be at the right place, at the right time
me thinks this may be the same person, or else two individuals who can only think of this red herring to throw into the mix as a way of seeking to detract from my OP. As I have already said in prior answers -- maybe you missed it:
- "For the record, I used the term "Goon Director" to simply mean I am a director (of whatever kind) in Goonswarm. A fairly simply concept. As a Recruitment Director, I was given acccess to corp wallet, all BPOs, and gave input regarding the direction of corp (such as where I thought we needed to re-locate to)" (Posted - 2007.06.01 03:18:00 - [289]).
- "Well, I know what a director is, but I phrased it badly. My apologies. It has been edited now to be more clear upfront in first post" (Posted - 2007.06.01 03:32:00 - [313]).
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Shadow Of The Light
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Posted - 2007.06.01 14:15:00 -
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Well, I haven't had time to read the epic 19-pages worth of replies, but I enjoyed reading what you wrote eleuthereus. Made me feel even better about my decision to switch sides then I did in the first place! Anyway, it's nice to read a long, relatively negative post like that, that doesn't devolve in to ranting and tin-foil-hattery.
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coracao ardente
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Edited by: Iorya Dragon on 01/06/2007 14:19:37
Interesting point of view, thanks for the story. And for the short minded people.
Good and Bad are very relative. For you BOB it might be bad, or Goons, For me let say i found them neutral, not bad, not good, i found most of the Goons brainless chickens runing around, but thats another story, but when i see them, i for sure i shoot first.
Seeing somebody as Good or Bad, depends from the angle you look too, hehe. This is not a movie, this is not a story, there Good and Bad are pretty straight forward...
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Excellent post eleuthereus, I enjoyed reading it.
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Gallente
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Dang. What a big post.
Thank you for your post. Really enlightening
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Gallente
Aliastra
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Originally by: Vio Geraci
Hm, I wonder if this has anything to do with clearing his corp history.
no. See OP for posting reasons.
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
So you think a whiny attention seeker who doesn't approve of or fit in with the core values and heart of Goonfleet should have been CEO of Goonfleet?
Not sure where anything in the OP was whining. With regard to GS, it simply documented what GS members have been saying about themselevs all along -- they are griefers in the game and love it. Also, I merely substantiated what non-GS pilots have been saying all along as well. As Atari Party has said in this very thread, "When has Goonfleet ever not been a massive riot of hooligans and maniacs? Why is this news to anybody? (2007.06.01 10:46:00 - [509]). Argue with Atari Party
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Gallente
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Originally by: Vio Geraci
Hm, I wonder if this has anything to do with clearing his corp history.
no. See OP for posting reasons.
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
So you think a whiny attention seeker who doesn't approve of or fit in with the core values and heart of Goonfleet should have been CEO of Goonfleet?
Not sure where anything in the OP was whining. With regard to GS, it simply documented what GS members have been saying about themselevs all along -- they are griefers in the game and love it. Also, I merely substantiated what non-GS pilots have been saying all along as well. As Atari Party has said in this very thread, "When has Goonfleet ever not been a massive riot of hooligans and maniacs? Why is this news to anybody? (2007.06.01 10:46:00 - [509]). Argue with Atari Party
Originally by: rinseout000
Let me see if I have this right.This guy has jumped sides what...4 times in the last few months? And yet all the BoD pets are scurrying to tell him how noble he is for quitting goons? lol.
Well, you don't have it "right." I did not jump sides "4 times." Did you read the OP? I owuld guess not. Here, I'll break it down:
Alliance 1 = ASCN (Died, crashed destroyed, folded, collapsed -- no more alliance existed).
Alliance 2 = LV (Died, crashed destroyed, folded, collapsed -- no more alliance existed).
Alliance 3 = Resigned
When ASCN folded, LV was its ally, as my post explained. In other words, same side. Then, LV joined up w/ BoB. That might be conisdered switching a side, but not really, since my alliance was the one who pulled BoB in as an ally. And as for joining Goons, LV was gone by that point too. So, I have no idea where you get this notion of me flipping sides and not being loyal (an implication). And as of today, I am in no alliance. And as for it being in just "the last few months," if you would have actually read the OP, you would see that this time frame spans from the frame spans about 6 months.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 14:41:00 -
[525]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 14:40:07
Originally by: Fracking Beach
So, as soon as you face hard times in your alliance/corp - the natural choice for you is to jump ship and switch to the other side. Then when you leave, you go out and spill all details of your alliance matters on forums. You sir, are an untrustworthy flip flop.
Uhm, no, wrong. SEE ABOVE. I never switched sides against anyone, not even now. I'm not in any alliance at the moment. Within a few hours, I'll be back in an NPC corp. I stuck w/ ASCN until pretty much the end. I was fighting in the system w/ ASCN when we lost the Titan. When I left LV, it was already pretty much dead 9-9 was gone, 77s was gone, Omist was just about gone, and DG- / 0-w was gonna fall, too. A my OP says, I returned after a few days of RL business, and MY CORP was gone from station, evacuated via freightors.
Originally by: Garia666
I have no good word at all for you. You back stabbed LV back stabbed ADGA and my trust. I will make sure all future corperations / alliance`s will know where u came from and what you did.
I fought w/ LV day after day for like 10-14 hours and you know it. When I came back from being gone for a few days, you guys were pretty much gone from G-Don and 77s had fallen. Freightors took off without me and my stuff. I was locked in - you guys were gone. But I didn't hold that against you at all. You had to run and you did. I had to stay - and I did. You know I fought my $@$# off fo you guys even though I was new. In fact, truth be told, in the span of 8 weeks, I rose to, and stayed in, the top 10 killers for adeptus gattacus and the top 50, I think, in LV (maybe 100, can't remember). So, I backstabbed no one.
Originally by: This Pilot
To all the people thinking the OP is a good post. Why? He takes 10 pages to say he's content to join and leave alliances so he can sit in the same few stations in 0.0 . If he liked LV so much then why didn't he move with them to NPC space before they fell apart? Also, the pages and pages about goons being self-righteous hypocritical racist mean idiotic peoples is only going to be embraced by any goon I know. He's not telling anything new nor insulting any goons. OP is a coward who spends a large amount of time justifying his cowardice.
See OP and see above. This is a nice attempt at "poisoning the well" as it is known in debate circles -- i.e., try to discredit the source of information, instead of dealing with the information itself.
Originally by: Kaplanelle
* Someone made you a custom avatar within a week, wholly unsolicited
* We do have love-ins with our alliance members
* After Mitanni's "we're broke" thread, goons independantly fundraised/debt forgave a very hefty sum over one weekend.
* There a more than a few black and/or *** people in GS. Hell, we gots a tranny too.
hey, Kap, thanks for the well wishes. let me correct a few things here.
* It was not wholly unsolicited for the bee. I asked for the custom bee to be made. And I paid my avatar fee to get an avatar put up for me (just like all goons).
* ????
* Yes, true. Goons did raise a substantial amount of ISK. Very impressive. My point was that they do NOT have the financial means to maintain the amount of space now controllled -- which is pretty much what was said in the State of Goonion.
* Of that I have no doubt. Good for them. I wish them well.
Cya in space.
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 14:46:00 -
[526]
You're like the Paris Hilton of EVE-O. You've done nothing really special, but you love the attention you're getting.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 14:51:00 -
[527]
Originally by: Microsoft Sam
Originally by: Tetsujin
Originally by: Skape Gote
Goons are a cancer on this game and they need some serious chemo.
Much like your mother.
I'm sorry to be the one who broke the bad news.
Personal attacks? what are you 5?
Irony ITT
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.01 14:53:00 -
[528]
He's actually done a lot. He exposed the mentality of the goons on the forum, for all to see.
He also posted one of the best written posts I saw in the current month. And he actually is neutral in his post, not insulting either side, just stating that their way are not his.
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:05:00 -
[529]
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 15:04:12
Originally by: Ares Lightfeather
He's actually done a lot. He exposed the mentality of the goons on the forum, for all to see.
He also posted one of the best written posts I saw in the current month. And he actually is neutral in his post, not insulting either side, just stating that their way are not his.
Who didn't know this already? No goonfleeter tried to hide it. Let me congratulate you on being thick as a brick if anything in the OP was a surprise to you.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:07:00 -
[530]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 15:07:57
Originally by: Lenny Lowcut
Ele, I must say that I am a little disappointed in you.
I knew you would be. Sry.
Originally by: Lenny Lowcut
Jesus always stood by the sick and never turned his back on them. He stood with them through thick and thin. You're Judas side has just shown itself. Why? You sang your song for us!
Not sure what the Big J has to do with it. But since you brought him up, he healed the sick. I don't think I can heal Goons. As for showing you soime Judas side -- can't really see how you said this. I betrayed you to nobody. Didn't sell you out to BoB as a spy. Didn't take your BPOs. Didn't clear out your Corp wallet. Actually, in fact, threw in some extra low-end mods, a couple frigs, and stuff into the corp hangars for the new guys. And on top of that, sold my hulk to one of our guys at a 200M loss, complete with 2 free haulers, and a bevy of hi and lo end crystals. Judas? I don't think so, Len. What I did do, however, is post some important information for all of Eve regarding: life in 0.0; the current state of the war; Goonswarm; and the Bob/dev/GM scandal. And, truth be told, if you read closely, I exonerated Goonswarm from the implications by CCP that GS had planned a coordinated attack against the forums w/ a deliberate desire to harm CCp and/forums. Please read my post again. Why are Goons not picking up on this? Judas? Hardly.
Originally by: Lenny Lowcut
But why ele? Why was that funny? . . . Granted the use of the word ni**er is usually reserved for either racists or black people themselves, but here I was facing a white guy (presumably) calling a black fellow a ni**er. It is a sensitive subject and one that cannot be breached, usually, unless very serious and formal subconscious processes take place. But here it is, open for all to see, making fun of the word itself.
I understand. And I do NOT say in my post that GS is, generally speaking, filled with racists or white supremacists. I say that they are "racist-epithet-uttering" - and this is true. Now, you and the others may find that funny. Okay, sure. I can deal with that. But as I said, it's not me. Also, as I said in my evemail to you, I am simply not a Goon based on the definition of a Goon as given by Mawg Spawn in the State of Goonion speech. You heard him:
"We are fundamentally in this game to have fun at the expense of the people that we don't like, and that means 90% of Eve."
"We are not here to be nice. We are here to be a**holes . . . We accomplish this by being the meanest, cruelest, most sadistic group in the game."
"And we are proud of our pariah status . . ."
"Griefing Pranks - We're jerks, we've always been jerks. When we try not to be jerks, we stop having fun. . . . We have had our most fun in this game when we have been at our cruelest. When we are nice, we get bored"
"Our focus in this game is wrecking people we don't like" [from the above, that's 90% of Eve]
I don't fit these description, as a person or a player. This thread was made for several reasons I enumerated in the OP:
- for the benefit of everyone interested in such matters
- for empire pilots who may want to know a bit more about what it's like to live in 0.0 space as part of a large power block alliance
- as a kind of cathartic purge, a way of putting behind me what has been a very long year and a half
I've earned the right to make this thread.
Originally by: Lenny Lowcut
Goonswarm simply makes fun of the public's perception of the differences among us.
Perhaps. But it sure doesn't come out that way, not when you have guys naming their ships "400lbNig**Rapist." And some of the other things on the forum that don't need to be quoted here -- that would just be overkill, even for me.
Originally by: Lenny Lowcut
I have left your posting and reading rights open on the goonswarm forums.
Actually, I am banned, at least that's the message reads. And that might be best. Lenny, respect to you. My love to all the LOVEU guys. cya in space.
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Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:11:00 -
[531]
Originally by: Ares Lightfeather
He exposed the mentality of the goons on the forum, for all to see.
Until that post you didn't know we hate most of you guys and kinda hope you fall into a grain silo? Really?
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:12:00 -
[532]
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Ignoring 2/3 of my post ? Convenient. I may reply when you bother to answer it all.
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:16:00 -
[533]
Edited by: Sir Lolle on 01/06/2007 15:15:44
Originally by: HostageTaker
Excellent post eleuthereus, I enjoyed reading it.
So uh you guys going to let him in I mean I hear you have some pretty great space toys and are the way coolest dudes in EVE and I mean just WOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
BoB is soooooooooooooooooo dreamy
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Skape Gote
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:21:00 -
[534]
Originally by: Hroller McKnutt
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll
Originally by: Sochin
My only comment would be that I think people misinterpreted Dianabolic's comments. He readily admitted that some BoB members were friendly with developers, because he doesn't see anything wrong with that. He did not admit to using these contacts to gain any sort of advantage.
Jesus Christ.
Wait? BoB has contacts with Jesus Christ too? Now we're ALL screwed!
Dont worry he only has 8m sp's, however he does have water into wine level 5.
This skillbook is very rare due to IAC buying them all.
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Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:24:00 -
[535]
Originally by: Skape Gote
Originally by: Hroller McKnutt
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll
Originally by: Sochin
My only comment would be that I think people misinterpreted Dianabolic's comments. He readily admitted that some BoB members were friendly with developers, because he doesn't see anything wrong with that. He did not admit to using these contacts to gain any sort of advantage.
Jesus Christ.
Wait? BoB has contacts with Jesus Christ too? Now we're ALL screwed!
Dont worry he only has 8m sp's, however he does have water into wine level 5.
This skillbook is very rare due to IAC buying them all.
BS. Everbody knows Jesus Christ is in FIX.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:30:00 -
[536]
Originally by: Skape Gote
Dont worry he only has 8m sp's, however he does have water into wine level 5. This skillbook is very rare due to IAC buying them all.
Actually, it's Miracles L5. The water into wine book hasn't been released yet, and when it is, I believe you will only need Miracles at III to train it. the only miracle skills now available are healing (req. Miracles III), Natural Phenomena Control (req. Miracles IV), and Fasting, which allows the user to fuel a POS and have the fuel last for 30 days (req. Miracles IV). The only miracle skill that requires full training to Miracle V is Raising the Dead (also not yet released until Kali 2). That skill, of course, allows you to be podded, but when you wake up in the station, you still have your implants.
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Skape Gote
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:37:00 -
[537]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Skape Gote
Dont worry he only has 8m sp's, however he does have water into wine level 5. This skillbook is very rare due to IAC buying them all.
Actually, it's Miracles L5. The water into wine book hasn't been released yet, and when it is, I believe you will only need Miracles at III to train it. the only miracle skills now available are healing (req. Miracles III), Natural Phenomena Control (req. Miracles IV), and Fasting, which allows the user to fuel a POS and have the fuel last for 30 days (req. Miracles IV). The only miracle skill that requires full training to Miracle V is Raising the Dead (also not yet released until Kali 2). That skill, of course, allows you to be podded, but when you wake up in the station, you still have your implants.
Are we basically implying Jesus Christ was the first person to clone jump?
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DiuxDium
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:39:00 -
[538]
Originally by: Skape Gote
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Skape Gote
Dont worry he only has 8m sp's, however he does have water into wine level 5. This skillbook is very rare due to IAC buying them all.
Actually, it's Miracles L5. The water into wine book hasn't been released yet, and when it is, I believe you will only need Miracles at III to train it. the only miracle skills now available are healing (req. Miracles III), Natural Phenomena Control (req. Miracles IV), and Fasting, which allows the user to fuel a POS and have the fuel last for 30 days (req. Miracles IV). The only miracle skill that requires full training to Miracle V is Raising the Dead (also not yet released until Kali 2). That skill, of course, allows you to be podded, but when you wake up in the station, you still have your implants.
Are we basically implying Jesus Christ was the first person to clone jump?
Holy mother of god.
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WredStorm
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:53:00 -
[539]
eleuthereus,
Thanks for the post. As an empire carebear it was very enlightening... I definitely appreciate your having taken the time to post this. Don't let the nay-sayers get you down, just keep laughing.
WredStorm
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Sir Drake
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:56:00 -
[540]
Edited by: Sir Drake on 01/06/2007 15:57:40
Originally by: DiuxDium
Originally by: Skape Gote
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Skape Gote
Dont worry he only has 8m sp's, however he does have water into wine level 5. This skillbook is very rare due to IAC buying them all.
Actually, it's Miracles L5. The water into wine book hasn't been released yet, and when it is, I believe you will only need Miracles at III to train it. the only miracle skills now available are healing (req. Miracles III), Natural Phenomena Control (req. Miracles IV), and Fasting, which allows the user to fuel a POS and have the fuel last for 30 days (req. Miracles IV). The only miracle skill that requires full training to Miracle V is Raising the Dead (also not yet released until Kali 2). That skill, of course, allows you to be podded, but when you wake up in the station, you still have your implants.
Are we basically implying Jesus Christ was the first person to clone jump?
Holy mother of god.
Nonsenses the hindus had that trick down long befor.
Back on topic, thanks for the story.
Nice insight.
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Sig was removed due to derogatory comments towards a group of people. -Karl Chroimcer
I like that.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 15:58:00 -
[541]
Edited by: Xilimyth Derlin on 01/06/2007 15:58:34
Originally by: DiuxDium
Originally by: Skape Gote
Are we basically implying Jesus Christ was the first person to clone jump?
Holy mother of god.
This is perfect. I can finally tell my parents that video games aren't the source of all evil and I got some religious values out of it :D
*Edited for Compactness*
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Angel Devereux
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Posted - 2007.06.01 16:00:00 -
[542]
Eleuthereus:
Firstly, as a person who's spent their whole time in the game so far in Empire space, thank you for your post.
I'm still a newbie, I think, based on my only being a part of this game from February of this year. However, I've been watching this fiasco with great interest.
Based on your post, and the posts of quite a few GoonSwarm people, I can see that my basic definition of "fun" doesn't quite match up to theirs. Additionally, you've managed to explain an entire section of the game that I have not yet been able to grasp the reasons behind. The griefing.
Finally, you've also managed to explain fleet operations to a point that I feel much better knowing about this section of the game, as I have not yet experienced it.
Thank you for your, in my opinion, fair minded and even handed explanation. Those of us that are not directly involved in this mess appreciate it.
I feel I learned a lot in this thread, and that's always a good thing.
Fly safe.
This is my main. I am not a part of, or affiliated with GS, BoB, or any other alliance.
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Carl Bowmore
North Star Networks
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.06.01 16:08:00 -
[543]
To the OP: interesting and well written with a very resonable tone.
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Bozse
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.01 16:24:00 -
[544]
Interesting read, best of luck finding a home that's more fitting to u.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE is designed to be a dark and harsh world
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Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 16:26:00 -
[545]
Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 01/06/2007 16:29:04
Originally by: sesanti
I agree with your post, I do not like CCP practices either and I think the majority of EVE will agree with us, but you fail to see that the only group that perpetrated the forum spamming attack were the Goons.
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If somebody had actually responded to the original thread nothing would've have happened but one thread posted, questions answered. It would've been pretty much like the big giant thread that then occured, just without the threadnaught occuring.
The problem is that it is apparently CCP policy to respond to anything like that with a lock, a delete and a "shut the hell up" rather than a "hey, we'll look into this."
CCP's CS is, quite frankly, pretty lousy in this respect. It's almost paranoid.
I had to call Pelican Products yesterday to get a replacement pin for a case handle. They sent me a pin for free (they're serious about their warrenty and reputation). If Pelican ran their CS folks like CCP it would've been:
Phelan: Hey, I had a pin go missing from a 1610.
Pelican: You little bastard! You pulled it out with pliers and threw it at an old lady! I'm hanging up and deleting every record that exists of this phone call and I hope you get AIDS!
And then the only way I could get a pin would be if I called them 1000 times saying "I need a pin."
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Vital Efters
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 16:28:00 -
[546]
This thread is dumb.
eleuthereus you seem to care about leaving goonswarm a lot more than anyone in goonswarm does.
You only joined to get your stuff out of the stations you left there as an LV member. And Goonswarm has never denied doing and being all these things you accuse us of.
Basically you're some random singing dude who joins lots of alliances then jumps ship when he feels its getting tough or going down hill.
This 10 page digitalcommunist style essay is just something he can put on his resume when he goes to join the next alliance.
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Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.06.01 16:30:00 -
[547]
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll
Phelan: Hey, I had a pin go missing from a 1610.
Pelican: You little bastard! You pulled it out with pliers and threw it at an old lady! I'm hanging up and deleting every record that exists of this phone call and I hope you get AIDS!
Haven't read this monster of a thread, but this made me rofl
/Ki
Joy to the world
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DiuxDium
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.01 16:37:00 -
[548]
Originally by: Vital Efters
This thread is dumb.
eleuthereus you seem to care about leaving goonswarm a lot more than anyone in goonswarm does.
You only joined to get your stuff out of the stations you left there as an LV member. And Goonswarm has never denied doing and being all these things you accuse us of.
Basically you're some random singing dude who joins lots of alliances then jumps ship when he feels its getting tough or going down hill.
This 10 page digitalcommunist style essay is just something he can put on his resume when he goes to join the next alliance.
He's not really insulting you guys, just giving us "pubbies" an insiders look into your alliance. Honestly, the only reason to consider this an insult is if you consider your own actions to be objectionable.
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 16:51:00 -
[549]
Originally by: Vital Efters
This thread is dumb.
eleuthereus you seem to care about leaving goonswarm a lot more than anyone in goonswarm does.
You only joined to get your stuff out of the stations you left there as an LV member. And Goonswarm has never denied doing and being all these things you accuse us of.
Basically you're some random singing dude who joins lots of alliances then jumps ship when he feels its getting tough or going down hill.
This 10 page digitalcommunist style essay is just something he can put on his resume when he goes to join the next alliance.
Hopefully it wil be BNC have you heard about how great they are I mean it is AMAZING!
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Elmo Noguchi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.01 16:53:00 -
[550]
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 16:51:59
Originally by: DiuxDium
Originally by: Vital Efters
This thread is dumb.
eleuthereus you seem to care about leaving goonswarm a lot more than anyone in goonswarm does.
You only joined to get your stuff out of the stations you left there as an LV member. And Goonswarm has never denied doing and being all these things you accuse us of.
Basically you're some random singing dude who joins lots of alliances then jumps ship when he feels its getting tough or going down hill.
This 10 page digitalcommunist style essay is just something he can put on his resume when he goes to join the next alliance.
He's not really insulting you guys, just giving us "pubbies" an insiders look into your alliance. Honestly, the only reason to consider this an insult is if you consider your own actions to be objectionable.
The post you're replying to never said they think it's an insult, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
Replying to your own assumptions, maybe?
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Divus
Black Omega Security
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:01:00 -
[551]
and there i thought why would one write such a long boring story and cross-post it and advertice it everywhere? saying hes a goon-director made me lol already. why does he want to badmouth goons anyway? whats his real intention?
so after reading the fallowing im not quite sure if he wrote it as a an application for EVOL or RKK etc. or if he is working for them already.
Originally by: eleuthereus
BoB fields some of the most experienced, skilled, intelligent, and crafty pilots and FCs in Eve. And their ships are fitted with wonderous toys.
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Ciphero
Furious Vendetta
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:02:00 -
[552]
Goons-In-Space vs. Eve-Online
Place your bets on which dies first.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:09:00 -
[553]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 17:10:14
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 17:08:52
Originally by: Divus
why would one write such a long boring story and cross-post it and advertice it everywhere?
answered in OP.
Originally by: Divus
saying hes a goon-director made me lol already.
answered in thread, on this page.
Originally by: Divus
why does he want to badmouth goons anyway?
badmouth? I only documented what you have said about yourselves, not only on forums, but even in this very thread. You guys need to get together and figure out what you want to say, either: a) I am bad mouthing you; or b) I am only saying what you've already been saying and are proud. As it is, Goons are making both of these contradictory points. So which is it?
Originally by: Divus
whats his real intention?
answered in OP, and also answered in my response to CEO Lenny Lowcut on this page.
Originally by: Divus
so after reading the fallowing im not quite sure if he wrote it as a an application for EVOL or RKK etc. or if he is working for them already.
no. not an application for annyone. And BoB does not take apps, as I understand. I am not working for, nor ever have worked for, BoB.
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TrippyX
Caldari
The Syndicate Inc
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:10:00 -
[554]
Much respect to you Eleutherus!
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:11:00 -
[555]
Originally by: Ciphero
Goons-In-Space vs. Eve-Online
Place your bets on which dies first.
In all honesty we would have left like 6 months ago if it weren't for the fact that the only MMO alternative is WoW.
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:15:00 -
[556]
Originally by: eleuthereus
no. not an application for annyone. And BoB does not take apps, as I understand. I am not working for, nor ever have worked for, BoB.
Except for that time you were in LV and worked for BoB.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:18:00 -
[557]
Originally by: Sir Lolle
Originally by: eleuthereus
no. not an application for annyone. And BoB does not take apps, as I understand. I am not working for, nor ever have worked for, BoB.
Except for that time you were in LV and worked for BoB.
Yeah, well, that was not really what you were implying. And besides, I was not working for BoB when i was in LV. I was working for LV, and its leadership allied itself with BoB who then came to help us.
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AegriSomnia
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:21:00 -
[558]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: General Brusilov
The hell were you a director of?
*snip* be nice, and please be more constructive - Karass Sayfo
Interesting, now you attack your own? Perfect.
And it is odd that so many GS seem miffed by this post.
1. As I said, my post was actually my last act as a Recruitment Director, informing Eve of what GS is like so that: a) those interested in being a**holes can go where they are appreciated; and b)those not interested can avoid GS -- and not get scammed by giving ISK to any GS member who says they can join for XXXmillion ISK.
2. I have said nothing that they themselves have not already stated, and stated with great pride, I might add. I simply put it all in context, the context of my life in 0.0.
3. I am not crying about anything. Simply expressed I don't share in the typical Goon sense of humor, right vs. wrong perceptions, and definition of "fun." Not really crying, is it?
I find you morally reprehensible. You took statements out of context, snippets if you will, of private conversations between a select few individuals and used it to paint and ENTIRE ALLIANCE with a broad brush, and that is disgusting. It is propaganda that Paul Joseph Goebbels himself would be proud of. You also took what was meant to be a tongue in cheeck speech, again private, and turn it into an edict. Pathetic. Its nice how you used the retraction of GS into less systems as a "retreat". Again, Joseph, good job. NO EMPIRE IN HISTORY has been able to sustain itself on an imperialist campaign that has NO END. BABYLON FELL. EGYPT FELL. GHENGIS KHAN FELL. ROME FELL. SPAIN FELL. ENGLAND FELL. GERMANY FELL. THE UNITED STATES IS FALLING. Did I make my point yet?
I hope everyone that reads this hellacious post will at least realize that this is this guy is Brutus to our Caesar. He is trying to inflict the fatal blow at a critical point in GS PR campaign. This is a very well timed hit piece.
Originally by: grayson 34
Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:24:00 -
[559]
Edited by: Wylker on 01/06/2007 17:24:53
Originally by: AegriSomnia
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: General Brusilov
The hell were you a director of?
*snip* be nice, and please be more constructive - Karass Sayfo
Interesting, now you attack your own? Perfect.
And it is odd that so many GS seem miffed by this post.
1. As I said, my post was actually my last act as a Recruitment Director, informing Eve of what GS is like so that: a) those interested in being a**holes can go where they are appreciated; and b)those not interested can avoid GS -- and not get scammed by giving ISK to any GS member who says they can join for XXXmillion ISK.
2. I have said nothing that they themselves have not already stated, and stated with great pride, I might add. I simply put it all in context, the context of my life in 0.0.
3. I am not crying about anything. Simply expressed I don't share in the typical Goon sense of humor, right vs. wrong perceptions, and definition of "fun." Not really crying, is it?
I find you morally reprehensible. You took statements out of context, snippets if you will, of private conversations between a select few individuals and used it to paint and ENTIRE ALLIANCE with a broad brush, and that is disgusting. It is propaganda that Paul Joseph Goebbels himself would be proud of. You also took what was meant to be a tongue in cheeck speech, again private, and turn it into an edict. Pathetic. Its nice how you used the retraction of GS into less systems as a "retreat". Again, Joseph, good job. NO EMPIRE IN HISTORY has been able to sustain itself on an imperialist campaign that has NO END. BABYLON FELL. EGYPT FELL. GHENGIS KHAN FELL. ROME FELL. SPAIN FELL. ENGLAND FELL. GERMANY FELL. THE UNITED STATES IS FALLING. Did I make my point yet?
I hope everyone that reads this hellacious post will at least realize that this is this guy is Brutus to our Caesar. He is trying to inflict the fatal blow at a critical point in GS PR campaign. This is a very well timed hit piece.
Your post made me lol. Is the US imperialist? Don't answer that. You find him morally reprehensible? Wow. You joined GoonSwarm, I'm fairly sure you have to check your morals at the door. Don't paint the whole alliance with the same brush? The alliance paints itself with the brush, and is happy to do so. Also, isn't that a bit hyppocritical after all the anti-bob, bob is hax, MSN is teh evil nonsense that has been spouting from your entire alliance? I mean, we'd hate to paint an entire alliance based off of a very small segment wouldnt we?
more lol.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:27:00 -
[560]
Originally by: AegriSomnia
I find you morally reprehensible.
Now, THAT is funny, coming from a Goon.
Originally by: AegriSomnia
You took statements out of context,
Prove it. Show it in context. Eve is waiting.
Originally by: AegriSomnia
snippets if you will, of private conversations between a select few individuals
select few? GS forums is not a select few. and the State of Goonion is on the Internet.
Originally by: AegriSomnia
and used it to paint and ENTIRE ALLIANCE with a broad brush,
read the OP again. I made sure to state that not all Goons behaved as most Goons behave.
Originally by: AegriSomnia
It is propaganda that Paul Joseph Goebbels himself would be proud of.
Wow, no need to even address this one.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:32:00 -
[561]
Originally by: AegriSomnia
You took statements out of context,
wait, isn't that what goons did with the ENTIRE recent allegations?
Originally by: AegriSomnia
snippets if you will, of private conversations between a select few individuals
bahaha and yet private conversations between players and GM/DEVS should be publicised and scrutinized to please you?
Originally by: AegriSomnia
and used it to paint and ENTIRE ALLIANCE with a broad brush,
Hasn't someone been painting an entire company AND an alliance with a smear brush lately?
Originally by: AegriSomnia
It is propaganda that Paul Joseph Goebbels himself would be proud of.
He must have learned from goons
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
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Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:35:00 -
[562]
Originally by: Dop Sutol
Originally by: AegriSomnia
Fairly undignified exit if you ask me. I realize what you say about RL issues you have and not wanting to deal with a*holes in game, too, but there is also a certain sense of levity that you obviously LACK when playing A GAME. Obviously, you have very disconnected relationships with REAL PEOPLE that you hold these NOT REAL relationships with people IN A GAME so seriously.
Anyway, before I go off, and I dont wish to bump this thread as its just the ramblings of a freaking maniac, nice way to bow out. You could have just left and identified it for what it is. You didnt fit in. But no, you had to be a commie/fascist (hows that for a paradox, hmmm?) and flame.
See you around, Eleuthereus.....
Talk about hypocrisy "Leave quitly, don't stir up a mess" from the Goons?
I'll call BS to Dev Fanbois when they say it and I'll call BS to players when they say it.
People have a right to complain.
Wow, talk about "WTH are you saying"? I just thought the 14-post yellow journalism was excessive. He could have generated the same 20 page and still going strong threadnaught by saying "GS SUXORZ". But he is obviously very lonely and wants to join Bob in a big way. Dont say it aint so.....
Originally by: grayson 34
Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Fracking Beach
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:40:00 -
[563]
Edited by: Fracking Beach on 01/06/2007 17:42:31
Edited by: Fracking Beach on 01/06/2007 17:39:15
Originally by: Wylker
Your post made me lol. Is the US imperialist? Don't answer that.
Please, go back to school and rtfm.
First, please dig a dictionary up and look up what imperialism means. Done? Ok, then read some of this stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Imperialism
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sesanti
Minmatar
Universal Exports
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:43:00 -
[564]
Edited by: sesanti on 01/06/2007 17:43:22
Edited by: sesanti on 01/06/2007 17:42:06
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll
Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 01/06/2007 16:29:04
Originally by: sesanti
I agree with your post, I do not like CCP practices either and I think the majority of EVE will agree with us, but you fail to see that the only group that perpetrated the forum spamming attack were the Goons.
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If somebody had actually responded to the original thread nothing would've have happened but one thread posted, questions answered. It would've been pretty much like the big giant thread that then occured, just without the threadnaught occuring.
The problem is that it is apparently CCP policy to respond to anything like that with a lock, a delete and a "shut the hell up" rather than a "hey, we'll look into this."
CCP's CS is, quite frankly, pretty lousy in this respect. It's almost paranoid.
I had to call Pelican Products yesterday to get a replacement pin for a case handle. They sent me a pin for free (they're serious about their warrenty and reputation). If Pelican ran their CS folks like CCP it would've been:
Phelan: Hey, I had a pin go missing from a 1610.
Pelican: You little bastard! You pulled it out with pliers and threw it at an old lady! I'm hanging up and deleting every record that exists of this phone call and I hope you get AIDS!
And then the only way I could get a pin would be if I called them 1000 times saying "I need a pin."
I think that is probably due to CCP having some in place policies regarding this problems.
You spitted everything out on the forums when maybe you should have submitted to CCP all the stuff thru other more proper channels. And then, if they had swept everything under the rug, take it to the forums. But of course, you wouldn't do that.
Let's not forget that these accussations you made were a bunch of lies to begin with, whose only purpose was to begin a witchunt by manipulating and purposefully lying to the ENTIRE community and even people outside this game. What for? To discredit BOB, their allies, the entire game and even CCP.
So if you had taken them silently to CCP they way it should have been done, CCP could have retrieved the evidence, showed it to you, and then you wouldn't have been able to post all this on the forums and generate the repercussions you have made.
And also I do not think the 4000 thousands Goons that play EVE were actually those who did this. Probably the leadership who planned all this stuff must have given orders to their most "trusted" pals, and in turn these to some others, adding up to 500/700 people with a couple of ALTS each to generate the desired effect.
That's why many Goons will deny everything. Because they probably don't know what was indeed ochestrated, and do not believe their leadership capable of this ****. So they will charge forward blindly reassuring everyone that there was not plot. In turn, turning against CCP for what they believe it is an "injustice" and more favoritism towards BOB.
Man, I am not dumb, I have met A LOT of manipulative people during my all my life, and to be honest this STINKS bad. And whoever orchestrated this is so naive as to believe nobody would even notice and things would flow naturally... PFFFTTTT
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:43:00 -
[565]
too much drama kids
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Hroller McKnutt
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:46:00 -
[566]
Originally by: Skape Gote
Originally by: Hroller McKnutt
Wait? BoB has contacts with Jesus Christ too? Now we're ALL screwed!
Dont worry he only has 8m sp's, however he does have water into wine level 5.
This skillbook is very rare due to IAC buying them all.
Those smart IAC guys... I'd buy them a beer but they have the monopoly!
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AegriSomnia
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:49:00 -
[567]
Originally by: SiJira
too much drama kids
/signed
Originally by: grayson 34
Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:52:00 -
[568]
Edited by: AegriSomnia on 01/06/2007 17:55:19
Edited by: AegriSomnia on 01/06/2007 17:53:49
Originally by: Wylker
Don't paint the whole alliance with the same brush? The alliance paints itself with the brush, and is happy to do so.
more lol.
OK,OK, You got me there. We do paint ourselves with brushes and ones with really soft bristles too as not to agitate our baby-soft skin.
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: AegriSomnia
I find you morally reprehensible.
Now, THAT is funny, coming from a Goon.
Originally by: AegriSomnia
You took statements out of context,
Prove it. Show it in context. Eve is waiting.
Originally by: AegriSomnia
snippets if you will, of private conversations between a select few individuals
select few? GS forums is not a select few. and the State of Goonion is on the Internet.
Originally by: AegriSomnia
and used it to paint and ENTIRE ALLIANCE with a broad brush,
read the OP again. I made sure to state that not all Goons behaved as most Goons behave.
Originally by: AegriSomnia
It is propaganda that Paul Joseph Goebbels himself would be proud of.
Wow, no need to even address this one.
Again with the snippets, Dude. You gotta stop this. Its undignified. Just admit you wrote a hit piece and move on. Hey, there are these great things outside called "Girls". You should go find one!
Originally by: grayson 34
Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:54:00 -
[569]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: AegriSomnia
and used it to paint and ENTIRE ALLIANCE with a broad brush,
read the OP again. I made sure to state that not all Goons behaved as most Goons behave.
I just reread the whole thread, inserting the word "most" is the closest you came to making that distinction:
Originally by: eleuthereus
To be blunt, most of the pilots in Goonswarm might best be described as unholy hybrids born via crossbreeding between the orcs in The Lord of the Rings and skinheads. Or, you can just imagine an entire alliance populated with carbon-copies of Terance & Philip from Southpark. Goons are a bunch of uncouth, savage, crass, foul-mouthed, vulgar, immature, racist-epithet-uttering ogres who can't seem to say one sentence or make a single joke without using the worst of the worst profanity (or referring to some body function, bodily fluid, or body part, then giggling like a 10-year-old). Generally speaking, they are a pretty offensive crowd of @%^!@!^&, who are not very nice.
That's not the least bit balanced nor is it an accurate representation of our forums.
Somebody mentioned it earlier, but the other problem is you have absolutely zero knowledge of the history of goons in EVE. We've had veteran players screwing with us from day one, starting with the GHSC infiltration/attempt to enslave us/wardec that blew apart one of the first goon corps and made a lot of us quit. Since then goons dealt with a steady stream of incursions into Syndicate by older players who wanted to pad their killboards with newbies in mining cruisers, including your buddies in LV who thought it was the height of comedy to send cloaking carriers into our space. Goonfleet's pilots were all born under fire. For most of us, playing the game our way isn't aimless nihilism. It's revenge.
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Rekindle
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:55:00 -
[570]
Edited by: Rekindle on 01/06/2007 17:55:36
Edited by: Rekindle on 01/06/2007 17:54:33
With all due respect, the people in Goonswarm responsible for the recent allegations and the social elements that cause people to tell such tales makes the alliance sound like a big ***** scab on the face of Eve online.
Your alliance has offered nothing constructive to the community in all of this in the last while. Any group that supports racial slurs and supports the type of grief play your organization apparantly supports, reflects poorly on the social character of hte people behind the characters - which is not fictious.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:56:00 -
[571]
Very well written. You make your points in a concise manner and your statements are refreshingly unbiased.
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Sir Lolle
Amarr
Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.01 17:59:00 -
[572]
Originally by: Rekindle
Edited by: Rekindle on 01/06/2007 17:55:36
Edited by: Rekindle on 01/06/2007 17:54:33
With all due respect, the people in Goonswarm responsible for the recent allegations and the social elements that cause people to tell such tales makes the alliance sound like a big ***** scab on the face of Eve online.
Your alliance has offered nothing constructive to the community in all of this in the last while. Any group that supports racial slurs and supports the type of grief play your organization apparantly supports, reflects poorly on the social character of hte people behind the characters - which is not fictious.
I find the type of social atmopshere depicted by this former GS member to be a poor reflection of the human condition in general.
Goons have alot of growing up to do
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Delors
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:00:00 -
[573]
It's pretty sad that instead of doing something with your life you spent all this time writing a massive ****post in hopes that someone would sponsor you into EVOL or RKK.
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ElCholo
Minmatar
FarCry Inc
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:01:00 -
[574]
only my opinion but Goons could have attempted to go the IA route first before threadnaught, but thats in the past and cant be changed.
other than that .. Goons will be Goons .. you either are one or are not. get them or do not.
And no - I don't think Goons are out to destroy the game. Just bring their brand of humor and play style to non Goons everywhere.
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AegriSomnia
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:01:00 -
[575]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Edited by: eleuthereus on 31/05/2007 21:19:50
Goons are a bunch of uncouth, savage, crass, foul-mouthed, vulgar, immature, racist-epithet-uttering ogres
You forgot cross-dressing, intellectually devoid, slobbering, stinky, pis-drunk homosexuals
Originally by: grayson 34
Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Elenath
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:03:00 -
[576]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
We've had veteran players screwing with us from day one, starting with the GHSC infiltration/attempt to enslave us/wardec that blew apart one of the first goon corps and made a lot of us quit. Since then goons dealt with a steady stream of incursions into Syndicate by older players who wanted to pad their killboards with newbies in mining cruisers, including your buddies in LV who thought it was the height of comedy to send cloaking carriers into our space. Goonfleet's pilots were all born under fire. For most of us, playing the game our way isn't aimless nihilism. It's revenge.
This is the sort of idiotic, short-sighted and pitiful way that children view the world. Guess what? Most every single player in this game that is part of an alliance living in 0.0 is treated the exact same way. And guess what? They don't lash out at EVERYONE in return. They pick their targets of revenge instead of griefing everyone.
While the Goons may wear the titles of 'childish' and 'malacious' with honor... there is one very fitting adjective for you all that no one can wear with honor - 'stupid'.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:04:00 -
[577]
Originally by: sesanti
You spitted everything out on the forums when maybe you should have submitted to CCP all the stuff thru other more proper channels. And then, if they had swept everything under the rug, take it to the forums. But of course, you wouldn't do that.
Let's not forget that these accussations you made were a bunch of lies to begin with, whose only purpose was to begin a witchunt by manipulating and purposefully lying to the ENTIRE community and even people outside this game. What for? To discredit BOB, their allies, the entire game and even CCP.
So if you had taken them silently to CCP they way it should have been done, CCP could have retrieved the evidence, showed it to you, and then you wouldn't have been able to post all this on the forums and generate the repercussions you have made.
And also I do not think the 4000 thousands Goons that play EVE were actually those who did this. Probably the leadership who planned all this stuff must have given orders to their most "trusted" pals, and in turn these to some others, adding up to 500/700 people with a couple of ALTS each to generate the desired effect.
That's why many Goons will deny everything. Because they probably don't know what was indeed ochestrated, and do not believe their leadership capable of this ****. So they will charge forward blindly reassuring everyone that there was not plot. In turn, turning against CCP for what they believe it is an "injustice" and more favoritism towards BOB.
Man, I am not dumb, I have met A LOT of manipulative people during my all my life, and to be honest this STINKS bad. And whoever orchestrated this is so naive as to believe nobody would even notice and things would flow naturally... PFFFTTTT
This post is completely false starting with the very first sentence. You're arguing that ele, who has spilled his guts to create a huge anti-goon manifesto and leaked a ton of internal information, has arbitrarily decided to lie about one thing and that the actual truth of the matter lies in a vast, completely unsubstantiated conspiracy that you somehow have divined the entire shape of by yourself with absolutely zero firsthand experience.
You are dumber than a bag full of stupid.
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ElCholo
Minmatar
FarCry Inc
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:05:00 -
[578]
Originally by: Delors
It's pretty sad that instead of doing something with your life you spent all this time writing a massive ****post in hopes that someone would sponsor you into EVOL or RKK.
Seemed more like he was suckin up to BNC to me.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:05:00 -
[579]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 18:09:05
Originally by: AegriSomnia
I just thought the 14-post yellow journalism was excessive.
yellow journalism is defined by wiki as "scandal-mongering, sensationalism, jingoism or other unethical or unprofessional practices"
If anything my OP is the very contradiction of all of these things. I did my best to quash scandals (including my exoneration of GS of implications by CCp that the GS had deliberately tried to use the threadnaught to harm Eve-O forums). Ther eis nothing sensational in the OP, no jingoism, and hardly unethical/unprofessional tactics since I directly quoted what has been public knowledge, but simply not coalesced in such a form.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:07:00 -
[580]
Originally by: AegriSomnia
Again with the snippets, Dude. You gotta stop this. Its undignified. Just admit you wrote a hit piece and move on. Hey, there are these great things outside called "Girls". You should go find one!
lol. yeah, got one. been married to her for quite some time now, too. One is enough.
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Delors
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:12:00 -
[581]
Edited by: Delors on 01/06/2007 18:11:01
Originally by: eleuthereus
Ther eis nothing sensational in the OP
yeah except for the GOON DIRECTOR RESIGNS headline when you weren't even a director of goonfleet and so had no actual knowledge of or contribution to alliance policymaking at all
Quote:
no jingoism
except for a 20+ post hack job against GS and pushing for BoB to win I guess
Quote:
and hardly unethical/unprofessional tactics
yeah quitting a corp and airing all your dirty laundry on eve-o complete with private forum posts isnt unprofessional at all
hey so has digitalcommunist come through with that recruitment offer yet
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:13:00 -
[582]
Originally by: Elenath
Originally by: Snowden Vel
We've had veteran players screwing with us from day one, starting with the GHSC infiltration/attempt to enslave us/wardec that blew apart one of the first goon corps and made a lot of us quit. Since then goons dealt with a steady stream of incursions into Syndicate by older players who wanted to pad their killboards with newbies in mining cruisers, including your buddies in LV who thought it was the height of comedy to send cloaking carriers into our space. Goonfleet's pilots were all born under fire. For most of us, playing the game our way isn't aimless nihilism. It's revenge.
This is the sort of idiotic, short-sighted and pitiful way that children view the world. Guess what? Most every single player in this game that is part of an alliance living in 0.0 is treated the exact same way. And guess what? They don't lash out at EVERYONE in return. They pick their targets of revenge instead of griefing everyone.
While the Goons may wear the titles of 'childish' and 'malacious' with honor... there is one very fitting adjective for you all that no one can wear with honor - 'stupid'.
I'm not just talking about getting blown up, I'm talking about persistent allegations of "lagsploits", complaints about blobbing, the whole nine yards of anti-goon rhetoric that came into being without any real substance to it and long before we were trying to play hardball with alliance warfare. After that kind of ridiculous bitterness, why should we want to play nice? Sure, it's arbitrary, but my point is that it's a reaction. Like I said, we're not without purpose.
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Rekindle
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:15:00 -
[583]
anti-goon rhetoric
Do you want a glass of milk and a couple cookies? What_do_you_expect to happen?
What is your expectation under present circumstances?
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Elenath
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:15:00 -
[584]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Somebody mentioned it earlier, but the other problem is you have absolutely zero knowledge of the history of goons in EVE. We've had veteran players screwing with us from day one, starting with the GHSC infiltration/attempt to enslave us/wardec that blew apart one of the first goon corps and made a lot of us quit. Since then goons dealt with a steady stream of incursions into Syndicate by older players who wanted to pad their killboards with newbies in mining cruisers, including your buddies in LV who thought it was the height of comedy to send cloaking carriers into our space. Goonfleet's pilots were all born under fire. For most of us, playing the game our way isn't aimless nihilism. It's revenge.
I would also like to add two comments to this quote... in addition to my previous post.
A. Even *IF* you all are actual victims who are specifically targeted for griefing... who could blame anyone for doing so? You all have ADMITTEDLY moved from game to game to be nothing but malacious and inconsiderate. You all have made a reputation for yourselves... and now you all cry for being treated the same way you all have treated others! Amazing!
B. You all claim to just play the game for fun and to not care. Then stop caring and play the game for fun. As it stands now you all seem terribly interested in more than just playing and having fun.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:17:00 -
[585]
Why dont you goonies go post some on the SA forums? Oh thats right, they hate you just as much as the EVE community my bad.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:17:00 -
[586]
Originally by: Elenath
B. You all claim to just play the game for fun and to not care. Then stop caring and play the game for fun. As it stands now you all seem terribly interested in more than just playing and having fun.
Revenge is fun. Grinding apart the old Southern Coalition bit by bit was one of the most deeply satisfying accomplishments I've experienced in any game, ever.
But you have a point, and I think that's the issue the Hammertown administration will bring back to the fore. Goons need to chillax again.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:18:00 -
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I wish GS could be deleted from existience personally. They represent exactly what is bad about MMORPG game play. Somewhere along the line we thought it a social requirement to foster a community that encourages negative social behaviour.
I maintain people can still play bad guys without having to embrace the worst of human behaviour. From what i've seen the leadership of GS is part of a social problem not part of any solution.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:18:00 -
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Man, you sound like you should be an AGONY pilot.
Best of luck to ya.
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Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:22:00 -
[589]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 18:24:07
Originally by: ElCholo
Seemed more like he was suckin up to BNC to me.
hello ElCholo,
Actually, I've not sucked up to anyone, including BNC. My comments regarding BNC have been based on posts I have read by BNC guys, and a short convo I had with Blacklight as I was leaving ASCN. I convo'd him to ask very plainly, why they attacked ASCN. I wanted to know this since my alliance was dying. He gave me a very straight-up answer, was polite, mature, and what I perceived as being honest. So, I believe in giving credit where credit is do -- to enemies and friends alike. Here, I'll compliment Goons -- What they accomplished in 0.0 such a short short amount of time was nothing short of incredible -- and I will always respect them and be in awe of that. There. As I said, I try to be fair. Truth is truth.
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GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:26:00 -
[590]
Originally by: Rekindle
I maintain people can still play bad guys without having to embrace the worst of human behaviour. From what i've seen the leadership of GS is part of a social problem not part of any solution.
imo ccp should try to get an ASBO on em!!!!!!!
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:29:00 -
[591]
Edited by: AegriSomnia on 01/06/2007 18:35:19
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: AegriSomnia
I just thought the 14-post yellow journalism was excessive.
yeallow journalism is defined by wiki as "scandal-mongering, sensationalism, jingoism or other unethical or unprofessional practices"
If anything my OP is the very contradiction of all of these things. I did my best to quash scandals (including my exoneration of GS of implications by CCp that teh GS had deliberately tried to use the threadnaught to harm Eve-O forums). Ther eis nothing sensational in the OP, no jingoism, and hardly unethical/unprofessional tactics since I directly quoted what has been public knowledge, but simply not coalesced in such a form.
I mean, whatever. I just dont see it that way. I dont read the GS forums and recoil in horror at the rhetoric, as you do. And thats fine, "To Each His Own", thats what I always say. But, your defense of yourself is paper thin. You wrote the longest single post in EVE-O history with the sole intention of driving the final spear into GS side, eh Longinus? And by the response from the masses, well done. Your token comment about GS/CCP whatever doesn't exonerate you from the 1000+ other words designed to kill the last bastion of resistance against the empire that is BoB.
If people cared, they could check into the facts and not believe your bologna. And your definition of yellow journalism fits what you wrote perfectly, despite the martydom you think you achieved.
Originally by: grayson 34
Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:36:00 -
[592]
Originally by: AegriSomnia
You wrote the longest single post in EVE-O history with the sole intention of driving the final spear into GS side, eh Cassius?
If an alliance of 4,000 can be brought down by a single post, it wasn't much of an alliance. Fact is, if GS dies, then it is Goonswarm's fault for making themselves, as was stated in this week's State of Goonion speech a "pariah" in Eve. I didn't do that with my post. Goons did that to themselves.
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sesanti
Minmatar
Universal Exports
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:38:00 -
[593]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: sesanti
You spitted everything out on the forums when maybe you should have submitted to CCP all the stuff thru other more proper channels. And then, if they had swept everything under the rug, take it to the forums. But of course, you wouldn't do that.
Let's not forget that these accussations you made were a bunch of lies to begin with, whose only purpose was to begin a witchunt by manipulating and purposefully lying to the ENTIRE community and even people outside this game. What for? To discredit BOB, their allies, the entire game and even CCP.
So if you had taken them silently to CCP they way it should have been done, CCP could have retrieved the evidence, showed it to you, and then you wouldn't have been able to post all this on the forums and generate the repercussions you have made.
And also I do not think the 4000 thousands Goons that play EVE were actually those who did this. Probably the leadership who planned all this stuff must have given orders to their most "trusted" pals, and in turn these to some others, adding up to 500/700 people with a couple of ALTS each to generate the desired effect.
That's why many Goons will deny everything. Because they probably don't know what was indeed ochestrated, and do not believe their leadership capable of this ****. So they will charge forward blindly reassuring everyone that there was not plot. In turn, turning against CCP for what they believe it is an "injustice" and more favoritism towards BOB.
Man, I am not dumb, I have met A LOT of manipulative people during my all my life, and to be honest this STINKS bad. And whoever orchestrated this is so naive as to believe nobody would even notice and things would flow naturally... PFFFTTTT
This post is completely false starting with the very first sentence. You're arguing that ele, who has spilled his guts to create a huge anti-goon manifesto and leaked a ton of internal information, has arbitrarily decided to lie about one thing and that the actual truth of the matter lies in a vast, completely unsubstantiated conspiracy that you somehow have divined the entire shape of by yourself with absolutely zero firsthand experience.
You are dumber than a bag full of stupid.
If you had taken time to read what i wrote and my previous posts, you would remember ME saying that I do not believe blindly on what the OP said but that i rather draw my own conclusions on what I see.
I am gonna make it clear again, for it seems you have a problem with reading comprehension:
- While Ele did not believe that there was someone behind the attacks, i BELIEVE HIM WRONG in this assumption and my reasons are the ones i mentioned on the post you have just QUOTED.
So READ AND UNDERSTAND what I say before insulting, and read my previous posts to understand it all if you MUST. Another thing, I would appreciate it if you refrained from foulmouthing in your future references to me, mmmkay?
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:43:00 -
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Sorry, I had to change "Cassius" to "Longinus". Longinus was the name of the Roman centurion who drove the spear into Jesus on the cross, he was later renamed "Cassius" before he was canonized.
I am not religious, I just play one on TV
Originally by: grayson 34
Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:46:00 -
[595]
Originally by: AegriSomnia
Sorry, I had to change "Cassius" to "Longinus". Longinus was the name of the Roman centurion who drove the spear into Jesus on the cross, he was later renamed "Cassius" before he was canonized.
Very, very interesting analogy, since Jesus was already dead when Longinus thrust that spear into his side. Are you then saying that you believe Goonswarm is already dead??? Because that is the only thing your analogy points to. In that case, you may be right. Interesting analogy. Seemingly very appropriate.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:50:00 -
[596]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: AegriSomnia
Sorry, I had to change "Cassius" to "Longinus". Longinus was the name of the Roman centurion who drove the spear into Jesus on the cross, he was later renamed "Cassius" before he was canonized.
Very, very interesting analogy, since Jesus was already dead when Longinus thrust that spear into his side. Are you then saying that you believe Goonswarm is already dead??? Because that is the only thing your analogy points to. In that case, you may be right. Interesting analogy. Seemingly very appropriate.
LOL nice burn!
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Immortalis Silens
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 18:56:00 -
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To the OP:
I actually read all of your posts, didnt read any replies cause i dont really care THAT much.
But yeh, good posts. I think its good to let people see what GS is really like because infact...you were right, some people just fit..others dont.
Your views where definately entertaining..good luck with the missions.
As for the whole GS pulling back into scalding pass to make..what was it that was said on the SOTG..ah right "Fortress Region", glad to see I aint the only one who sees that as a mistake. Hm.
Delivering the kick to the jaw of society to stop it from drooling on itself like the ignorant slop it is since 1984.
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Caldari
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GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:07:00 -
[598]
Edited by: AegriSomnia on 01/06/2007 19:07:15
Originally by: Sir Drake
LOL nice burn!
And thus we get the parakeets opinion. Coward.
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: AegriSomnia
Sorry, I had to change "Cassius" to "Longinus". Longinus was the name of the Roman centurion who drove the spear into Jesus on the cross, he was later renamed "Cassius" before he was canonized.
Very, very interesting analogy, since Jesus was already dead when Longinus thrust that spear into his side. Are you then saying that you believe Goonswarm is already dead??? Because that is the only thing your analogy points to. In that case, you may be right. Interesting analogy. Seemingly very appropriate.
Well, it really depends on what you believe. Many historians believe he may NOT have been dead at that point, but again, you twist things to match your own dogma.
Its not the only thing that my analogy points to. My analogy was meant to point out the attempt by you to drive the final blow into GS side, as Longinus did to Jesus.
Just admit you wrote a hit piece and be done with it.
Originally by: grayson 34
Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:07:00 -
[599]
Hrm, this is all very interesting and worth of some processing time in the ol' coconut. It's hard to discern what is truth and what is fiction these days.
First and foremost your posts leave a bad taste in my mouth to be quite honest. Whilst you applaud your old Alliance connections you seem to be carrying quite the heavy grudge against Goonswarm after they took you in from the storm, clothed you, fed you and made sure you had a place within their ranks.
Regarding the Goon rhetoric, why do you make this out to seem so bad? Yes, I'm fully aware that you, yourself don't see eye to eye with the day to day goings on, the manner in which goons conduct themselves, etc. In the end, is it so bad? That is who they are, on the internet. It's refreshing to know that their existence is utterly chaotic, that they're a living, breathing, soul consuming creature. I'm glad they're not like the larger alliances before them. I'm glad that they're an actual swarm, it's new, it's awesome.
Look at their accomplishments, why judge them so unfairly? They're a marching, teeming mass of insanity with seemingly no goals at any given time. However once the swarm switches over to their awe-inspiring form of groupthink you can truly sit back in utter amazement at what they're capable of doing.
It's like watching an anthill, the ants scurrying about, looking bereft of purpose, a chaotic ballet if you will. However when a threat appears upon the horizon they become stalwart in their objectives. They move with an undeniably sadistic rhythm, powerful, chaotic, but with a centralized idea shared amongst them.
Band of Brothers is a marvel of efficiency and organization.\
Both Alliances are beautiful to behold whilst in action, powerful and purposeful in their goals, using two very different means to accomplish them.
It's very easy to jump on the Goonbashing Bandwagon, or the Band of Brothers bashing bandwagon, it seems to be the cool thing to do these days.
It's hard to categorize what a goon is really, the best part about Goonswarm is their variety. They come from all walks of life, all demographics, lower class, middle class, upper class, some are professionals, others work at McDonalds.
To be honest with you eleuthereus, you don't seem like Goonswarm material and I think that you leaving is a beneficial act for both parties. It is great that you left without causing too much disturbance in-game..however after reading all your posts it seems that, well...
This is just my opinion.
It seems you used this entire thing as a thinly veiled attack on Goonswarm while kissing up to older alliances you parted from. You've tested the waters of Lake GoonAWanabago and found them to be too cold for your liking. It seems you've needed to publicly announce that you're a free agent. You, knowing that you need to be in a larger alliance to survive have taken shots at Goonswarm to appease the alliances you wish to join.
That being said, given your history it looks as if you hop from place to place, no real loyalty to anyone but yourself.
You're not as honorable as you're trying to convince people you are.
I do apologize if my post seems confusing and jumbled, my brain is currently under the influence of massive amounts of opiates (Legal, prescribed, I can assure you ISD)
I've said my piece.
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Gallente
Guys With Strippers
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:10:00 -
[600]
OK, ele my final offer is 150 isk
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:11:00 -
[601]
Originally by: sesanti
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: sesanti
You spitted everything out on the forums when maybe you should have submitted to CCP all the stuff thru other more proper channels. And then, if they had swept everything under the rug, take it to the forums. But of course, you wouldn't do that.
Let's not forget that these accussations you made were a bunch of lies to begin with, whose only purpose was to begin a witchunt by manipulating and purposefully lying to the ENTIRE community and even people outside this game. What for? To discredit BOB, their allies, the entire game and even CCP.
So if you had taken them silently to CCP they way it should have been done, CCP could have retrieved the evidence, showed it to you, and then you wouldn't have been able to post all this on the forums and generate the repercussions you have made.
And also I do not think the 4000 thousands Goons that play EVE were actually those who did this. Probably the leadership who planned all this stuff must have given orders to their most "trusted" pals, and in turn these to some others, adding up to 500/700 people with a couple of ALTS each to generate the desired effect.
That's why many Goons will deny everything. Because they probably don't know what was indeed ochestrated, and do not believe their leadership capable of this ****. So they will charge forward blindly reassuring everyone that there was not plot. In turn, turning against CCP for what they believe it is an "injustice" and more favoritism towards BOB.
Man, I am not dumb, I have met A LOT of manipulative people during my all my life, and to be honest this STINKS bad. And whoever orchestrated this is so naive as to believe nobody would even notice and things would flow naturally... PFFFTTTT
This post is completely false starting with the very first sentence. You're arguing that ele, who has spilled his guts to create a huge anti-goon manifesto and leaked a ton of internal information, has arbitrarily decided to lie about one thing and that the actual truth of the matter lies in a vast, completely unsubstantiated conspiracy that you somehow have divined the entire shape of by yourself with absolutely zero firsthand experience.
You are dumber than a bag full of stupid.
If you had taken time to read what i wrote and my previous posts, you would remember ME saying that I do not believe blindly on what the OP said but that i rather draw my own conclusions on what I see.
I am gonna make it clear again, for it seems you have a problem with reading comprehension:
- While Ele did not believe that there was someone behind the attacks, i BELIEVE HIM WRONG in this assumption and my reasons are the ones i mentioned on the post you have just QUOTED.
So READ AND UNDERSTAND what I say before insulting, and read my previous posts to understand it all if you MUST. Another thing, I would appreciate it if you refrained from foulmouthing in your future references to me, mmmkay?
The fact remains that you're disbelieving someone with firsthand experience and no reason to lie in favor of your own ridiculously complex and totally unsubstantiated delusions. This argument wouldn't even make it to Occam's razor before getting cut down.
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Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:20:00 -
[602]
Originally by: AegriSomnia
Many historians believe he may NOT have been dead at that point, but again, you twist things to match your own dogma.
Quite a ways off topic, but I;d sure be interested to see these "Many historians" you talk about regarding this issue. Since, as far as I know the only "historical" account of the event is in the Christian New Testament. Anywho, if you want to simply drop at least, I odn't know, 4-5 historians of the many you seem to know of, that would be enlightening. thanks in advance. I love history.
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Rslorien
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:23:00 -
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good post eleuthereus... its just a bit longer then the normal ones around here
i just dont understand one thing about Goons... if you guys dont care about the post or lossing this specific player why all spams about it? if you dont care about this and all the other things in eve just ignore it and have the suposed fun doing that or whatever you like to to...
about you guys acting like jerks and saying you can only have fun beeing it... imo that make you guys look like a grp of 10 yrs old kids that dunno what to do and just folow what the older guy says even if that one acts like a 12yrs old.
btw "Sticking feathers up your a** does not make you a chicken", so stop thinking you are the ones that know what is right and wrong in eve, leave that "judgement" to the major eve community ... the one that normaly dont act like a 10 yrs old and truly enjoys playing the game.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Drake on 01/06/2007 19:25:05
Originally by: AegriSomnia
And thus we get the parakeets opinion. Coward.
Very droll.
Bring on more entertainment.
PS: Good points Rslorien. Bunch of kiddies lashing out ... so funny.
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Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:26:00 -
[605]
Originally by: Rslorien
good post eleuthereus... its just a bit longer then the normal ones around here
i just dont understand one thing about Goons... if you guys dont care about the post or lossing this specific player why all spams about it? if you dont care about this and all the other things in eve just ignore it and have the suposed fun doing that or whatever you like to to...
about you guys acting like jerks and saying you can only have fun beeing it... imo that make you guys look like a grp of 10 yrs old kids that dunno what to do and just folow what the older guy says even if that one acts like a 12yrs old.
btw "Sticking feathers up your a** does not make you a chicken", so stop thinking you are the ones that know what is right and wrong in eve, leave that "judgement" to the major eve community ... the one that normaly dont act like a 10 yrs old and truly enjoys playing the game.
Page 21, read my post if you can't see the beauty of Goons.
You have to look at things as a whole, not as other people see them, if the general consensus of EVE is that Goons are bad perhaps you should look a little deeper and see if they might be missing something.
I'm not an alt, ffs.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:34:00 -
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Excellent post. Well and truly, excellent. As far as I can tell, it seems to be the most honest and unbiased post on the topic to date.
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Snowden Vel
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:35:00 -
[607]
Edited by: Snowden Vel on 01/06/2007 19:38:39
Originally by: Rslorien
i just dont understand one thing about Goons... if you guys dont care about the post or lossing this specific player why all spams about it?
We looooooove posting on forums.
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if you dont care about this and all the other things in eve just ignore it and have the suposed fun doing that or whatever you like to to...
Havin' fun here boss.
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about you guys acting like jerks and saying you can only have fun beeing it... imo that make you guys look like a grp of 10 yrs old kids that dunno what to do and just folow what the older guy says even if that one acts like a 12yrs old.
what
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btw "Sticking feathers up your a** does not make you a chicken", so stop thinking you are the ones that know what is right and wrong in eve
I don't think Goonfleet have ever tried to be the arbiters of space morality, we're just not under its jurisdiction.
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leave that "judgement" to the major eve community ...
Are you going to find us guilty and ship us off to space prison?
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the one that normaly dont act like a 10 yrs old
This strikes me as a tired and strange way of attempting to claim moral high ground, particularly since my ten year old cousin is more clever, articulate, and likeable than half of the posters in this thread.
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and truly enjoys playing the game.
Hey I enjoy EVE too, can I come judge people and tell them how to play the game?
Edit- don't bother trying to tack the threadnaught onto your space morality argument, that implicated a real world conflict of interest (though nothing came of that allegation) and problems with customer service.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:36:00 -
[608]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 19:37:38
Originally by: Mud Pandemonium
Whilst you applaud your old Alliance connections you seem to be carrying quite the heavy grudge against Goonswarm
incorrect. i carry no grudge against GS. in fact, as I have stated, I made sure to exonenrate them from implications made against them by CCp regarding the threadnaught. that certainly isn't holding a grudge. also, as a director in LOVEU, I had access to the corp wallet before I left. didn't take a 1 ISK. i also had access to BPOs - didn't touch 1 of them. that's not holding a grudge.
Originally by: Mud Pandemonium
Look at their accomplishments, why judge them so unfairly?
i think what what i did was simply reveal their nature, and then say, I don't fit in with that -- part of my self-expression and journaling, if you will, of my experiences and perception for the benefit of Eve players. and in a recent post, i did indeed compliment goons on what they have accomplished.
Originally by: Mud Pandemonium
It seems you used this entire thing as a thinly veiled attack on Goonswarm while kissing up to older alliances you parted from.
if i wanted to attack GS, this isn't the way i would have done it -- i would have stayed in it. you can dmg an alliance from within, far more than from without. and as for kissingup to my older alliances - that would be hard because they are dead. gone. poof. no more.
Originally by: Mud Pandemonium
It seems you've needed to publicly announce that you're a free agent.
No, to do that i would have just contacted folks i know from playing this game since 10/2005.
Originally by: Mud Pandemonium
You, knowing that you need to be in a larger alliance to survive have taken shots at Goonswarm to appease the alliances you wish to join.
Feel free to post any evidence to back this assertion.
Originally by: Mud Pandemonium
That being said, given your history it looks as if you hop from place to place, no real loyalty to anyone but yourself.
Well, since ASCN no longer exists, had no real choice there. Since LV no longer exists, had no real choice there. No, I leave GS, and have not even gone to another alliance. So, not sure what you're talking about here about loyalty. I was even loyal to GS up until my post, reporting on hostiles in various systems as I left Scalding pass and flew to empire.
Originally by: Mud Pandemonium
You're not as honorable as you're trying to convince people you are.
again. feel free to post proof. also, seems you've changed your tune since the beginning of your post where you said, "It's hard to discern what is truth and what is fiction these days." apparently, you've already decided what the truth is about me. ah well.
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Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:37:00 -
[609]
Originally by: spottedgalaxy
OK, ele my final offer is 150 isk
LOL. Jerk. No.
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Ms Freak
Amarr
NCN Corp
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:38:00 -
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Dude,
Honestly, that is probably the best post i have read in months. The forums are so full of s**t these days its just plain silly.
I salute you for an excellent post, honesty and giving respect where respect is due. 
*bows*
I'm sure our alliance could do with more people of your moral caliber!!
Well done.
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Insult to Injury
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:40:00 -
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Awsome post. The best one i've ever read on Eve-O.
This is why i never ransomed Goons. Podkill, no questions asked.
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Ms Freak
Amarr
NCN Corp
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:45:00 -
[612]
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Awsome post. The best one i've ever read on Eve-O.
This is why i never ransomed Goons. Podkill, no questions asked.
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Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:45:00 -
[613]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: AegriSomnia
Many historians believe he may NOT have been dead at that point, but again, you twist things to match your own dogma.
Quite a ways off topic, but I;d sure be interested to see these "Many historians" you talk about regarding this issue. Since, as far as I know the only "historical" account of the event is in the Christian New Testament. Anywho, if you want to simply drop at least, I odn't know, 4-5 historians of the many you seem to know of, that would be enlightening. thanks in advance. I love history.
I hope you have not made up your mind already about this, because if you have, me typing right now is pointless, but I will try because you did say you loved history, so here goes.
The New Testament is a collection of 27 books that were "cannonized" throughout history by several differnet councils like the Council of Trent, the 39 Articles of 1563 and others. During these coucils, the various members approved which books would be included in the cannon and which would be considered "apocryphal". In ancient times there were dozensùperhaps hundredsùof Christian writings claiming Apostolic authorship, or for some other reason considered authoritative by ancient churches, but which were not ultimately included in the 27-book New Testament canon. These works are considered "apocryphal", and are therefore referred to as the New Testament Apocrypha. It includes not only writing favourable to the position of the orthodoxy, but also a large amount of Gnostic writing. Some of these books claim that Jesus may not have dies on the cross, but lived through the ordeal, and lived into old age with children and the whole lot. You see, the "only historical record" you speak of was supremely corrupted by orthodoxy and greed. I'm sorry if that harms your religious belief.
If you want names, how about "Mary Magdeline", Raymond Brown, John Dominic Crossan, Michael Grant, John P. Meier, Robert w. Funk, Gerd Theissen, E.P. Sanders, C. Steven Evans,
Helmut Koester, Paolo Flores d'Arcais, G. Habermas?
Can I get an Amen?
Originally by: grayson 34
Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Ms Freak
Amarr
NCN Corp
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:51:00 -
[614]
Originally by: AegriSomnia
**Snip of completely off-topic carp**
Can I get an Amen?
erm No?
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Zmoke
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Posted - 2007.06.01 19:59:00 -
[615]
Dear Eve Online,
I begged to join the Hells Angels, and then found out they like to swear, and ride motorcycles. Gosh, I sure was shocked! Now let me write a book about it, because I'm sure everyone is concerned about my feelings.
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Lilith Auderlin
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Posted - 2007.06.01 20:06:00 -
[616]
Edited by: Lilith Auderlin on 01/06/2007 20:05:11
edit- welp
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 20:07:00 -
[617]
Edited by: Snowden Vel on 01/06/2007 20:06:40
Originally by: Zmoke
Dear Eve Online,
I begged to join the Hells Angels, and then found out they like to swear, and ride motorcycles. Gosh, I sure was shocked! Now let me write a book about it, because I'm sure everyone is concerned about my feelings.
Beaten, goondolences:
http://tinyurl.com/2rd2pt
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Mourning Starr
Quam Singulari
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.01 20:09:00 -
[618]
Great post dude, LV were great times and it was a blast sharing some of them with you! I remember the sheer respect that greeted your post on the LV forums expalining why you had to leave.
As for Goons, I spent weeks killing them in our old systems in a Recon after we lost them, for two reasons. 1)they were hella dumb and easy to kill, and 2)they deserved it being the utter degenerates most of them are.
Some of the convos I was privvy to between them in local, bios and the assortment of repulsively offensive ship names they tended to plump for. Not to mention the utter balls they used come out with on the BE TS sessions.
So in summing up, this game - or indeed anywhere else where folks interact with one another, that's not the bottom of a pond - will be a far better place without the likes of them.
Good riddance, and GL BoB and anyone else who shoots at GS.
MS out
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cal nereus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.06.01 20:19:00 -
[619]
Edited by: cal nereus on 01/06/2007 20:19:34
Apparently people who are confused about why goons are posting in here forget that goons love to annoy you and me. What better way to annoy people than to do things that make no sense? :D Rhyme and reason can take a hike. Screw facts and logic, and just have a ball! I am not the least bit offended by offensive material, but I'm certainly offended by attacks against people who say offensive things. D:
I <3 Goons.
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Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.01 20:23:00 -
[620]
Originally by: Rslorien
i just dont understand one thing about Goons...
Seems simple to me. They act out for attention. I know a guy like that; his parents ignored him through most of his childhood, and now he'll act simultaneously as a jerk/victim to get as much attention as he can. Just like Goons, except they do it on the internet, which is the "serious business" they spend nearly all of their time on.
Originally by: Amarria Black
Ignore that enormous chunk of space they control, and the even bigger one they influence.[<- In reference to BoB]
Well, considering this is a thread specifically about GoonSwarm, and that there really wasn't any talk about BoB...... it might be me here, but I don't see the connection. Other than "OMG TEY R EBIL, IGNURE US INOCINT BEEEEZ", which goes back to my earlier jerk/victim analysis.
Originally by: Cheval Blanc
Sorry, maybe I should make my references more explicit when miming BoB's exact strategy in blaming Goonfleet, as seen during the 'scandal', and how they are trying to 'destroy EVE', which they are open about. Breaking news, Goonfleet has a potty mouth, news at 8.
And if you indeed claim you are not putting out straw men, then you are in fact accepting double standards against Goonfleet. They are just as bad as many other corps/alliances in terms of exploitation and poor manners. In fact, I'd argue many are even worse. POS bowling? Hell Goonfleet doesn't even the ships to do such things, the poor ****tards.
Well, since you guys(I'm going to keep assuming you're a Goon/Goon alt) are always scapegoating something, such as how you've(as a group, of course) repeatedly said, just in this thread, that your current behavior is a retaliation to getting griefed in your early days, I have no reason to believe that you're actually doing it for any reason, other than to lessen some blame from that stupid threadnaught.
Oh, aren't there tons of accounts of screenshots of threadnaught posts, by GoonSwarm, having nothing but ****/racist/**** imagery? and accounts of flaming in local, and offensive names? Honestly, POS bowling isn't as bad as what GoonSwarm has done in the past. (I'm not even going to bring up the details of the old *beep* *beep* stuff.) I think your statement deserves an "lol". Better yet, "LOL!1!1!1!L!"
Originally by: Snowden Vel
[Reference to accusation of exploits]
Honestly, I can't be bothered to keep up with the exact things all 5k+ members you have do, especially since you have a tendency to spam the threads into oblivion with denials and "donges. lol." However, I do remember the good old days of BP-filled shuttles and cans, swarms of ships with five drones each, not to mention the fact that you've abused the server's inability to hold 3000 pilots at a time a bit. I have no doubt in my mind that GoonSwarm exploits whenever it finds something to exploit. It's not exactly a big leap between exploiting players(which they openly admit to), and exploiting game mechanics.
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What? The volume of goon posting is a function of our size, not frequency.
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Though I'm sure I've seen a few goon CAOD altposts here and there over the last few months that's no different than the rest of the EVE population. There's nothing extraordinary or ban-worthy about this.
Have you ever read the forums? Come back and tell me when you have; and seriously! Not just "lol donge" posts and putting enough thought into it to come up with a copy pasta of your own propaganda! I'm probably asking too much from a group known to do the opposite pretty much always, though.
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I'm fairly sure goons actually smack far less than most pilots.
This deserves some "LOL" too.
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I'm just going to say that heavy-handed moderation of our initial inquiries did a far better job of casting CCP in that light than we ever could have.
Your inquiries were one post accusing CCP of a giant stream of corruption, then 50 pages of GoonSpam. Forgive me for not being more understanding.
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Laustin Spayce
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 20:27:00 -
[621]
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Awsome post. The best one i've ever read on Eve-O.
This is why i never ransomed Goons. Podkill, no questions asked.
/signed
/signed
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 20:28:00 -
[622]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 20:31:22
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 20:29:09
Originally by: AegriSomnia
In ancient times there were dozensùperhaps hundredsùof Christian writings claiming Apostolic authorship, or for some other reason considered authoritative by ancient churches, but which were not ultimately included in the 27-book New Testament canon. These works are considered "apocryphal", and are therefore referred to as the New Testament Apocrypha. It includes not only writing favourable to the position of the orthodoxy, but also a large amount of Gnostic writing. Some of these books claim that Jesus may not have dies on the cross, but lived through the ordeal, and lived into old age with children and the whole lot. You see, the "only historical record" you speak of was supremely corrupted by orthodoxy and greed. I'm sorry if that harms your religious belief.
Departing form thread for amoment folks.
Aegri, you said "many historians" -- but the writers of the Gnostic gospels you name were not historians, they were members of a religious sect, who penned various txts that expressed their esoteric belief system which blended pseudo-Christian concepts, with historical revisionism, and occult-mystery religion doctrines.
Moreover, you neglect to even mention why the early church rejected such writings -- i.e, the Gnostic Gospels. First, they weren't authored until hundreds of years after the fact (c. mid-2nd century). Second, they were written ANONYMOUSLY. No one to date knows who wrote the Gnostic gospels -- the names attached to them are not the names of those who wrote them. What you're basically advocating is on par with The DaVinci Code.
Originally by: AegriSomnia
If you want names, how about "Mary Magdeline", Raymond Brown, John Dominic Crossan, Michael Grant, John P. Meier, Robert w. Funk, Gerd Theissen, E.P. Sanders, C. Steven Evans,
Helmut Koester, Paolo Flores d'Arcais, G. Habermas?
- "Mary Magdeline" = not a real name of author of Gnostic Gospel of Mary
- Michael Grant, historian, which book does he say that Jesus was not dead on the cross when the spear hit its mark?
- John P. Meier, Catholic priest and biblical scholar, where does he say that Jesus was not dead on the cross when the spear hit its mark?
- gerd Theissen, protestant scholar, where does he say that Jesus was not dead on the cross when the spear hit its mark?
-E.P. Sanders, New Testament scholar, where does he say that Jesus was not dead on the cross when the spear hit its mark?
- C. Stephen Evans, Philosophy and Humanities professor, Baylor University, where does he say that Jesus was not dead on the cross when the spear hit its mark?
- Helmut Koester, New Testament scholar, where does he say that Jesus was not dead on the cross when the spear hit its mark?
- Paolo Flores d'Arcais, philosopher and journalist, where does he say that Jesus was not dead on the cross when the spear hit its mark?
- G. Habermas (Gary Habermas?), conservative Christian scholar. Well, here, I don't have to ask where does he say that Jesus was not dead on the cross when the spear hit its mark?" Because he doesn't. And he CERTAINLY wouldn't support anything about the Gnostic Gospels.
- Robert Funk & John Dominic Crossan: These two guys are a joke, both involved with the comical and dubious Jesus Seminar group that decides what is and whatis not history by anonymous votes using little colored buttons in a box. They're hardly historians, or even reliable scholars, for that matter.
In all of your names, I see one true historian. And still see no quote from him about the spear. You can't just name a bunch of names. That's not documenting your assertion that: " Many historians believe he may NOT have been dead at that point."
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Mourning Starr
Quam Singulari
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.01 20:30:00 -
[623]
this thread delivers!!
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Atari Party
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 20:31:00 -
[624]
Originally by: Laustin Spayce
Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Awsome post. The best one i've ever read on Eve-O.
This is why i never ransomed Goons. Podkill, no questions asked.
/signed
/signed
I'd rather be podded anyway, gets me back in a ship faster.
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AegriSomnia
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 20:37:00 -
[625]
Edited by: AegriSomnia on 01/06/2007 20:41:25
I was wondering where you went! Hey thats pretty good, man. Well, its seems I've struck a nerve.
Again, I told you if you had made up your mind about it, then the convo is pointless. And obviously you have. Have you read anything by the aforementioned names, or did you just Wiki them and draw your own conclusions based on their bios? How you can say there is no GOspel of Mary, no Gospel of Judas is pure fanatical religious denial of history which is what most devout christians excal at. You probably didnt administer a campaign of genocide against the poor brown Muslims in Jerusalem either huh? And what was the whole "Spanigh Inquisition" thing about? WWJ have done there?
Obviously, you've read nothing, you're hangin on to outdated dogma, which for centuries has perpetuated the economic and social differneces in our sociey. I'm not here to educate you. I'm only here to get you to admit you wrote a hit piece. Admit it!!
One more thing, I dont mean to pull you halo around your neck and tug you to the ground, but, you did steal from GS. It may not have been ISK or BPOs, but you stole INFORMATION. You stole it and use twisted it to your own ill will.
Originally by: grayson 34
Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Matrius
Slaughters of Scum Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.01 20:40:00 -
[626]
Great post and respect to the OP.
Too bad you actually started another threadnaught by the goons. But just goes to show how they operate. |
eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 20:41:00 -
[627]
Originally by: AegriSomnia
I was wondering where you went! Hey thats pretty good, man. Well, its seems I've struck a nerve.
Actulaly, just kind of a religious buff.
Originally by: AegriSomnia
Again, I told you if you had made up your mind about it, then the convo is pointless. And obviously you have.
Actually, I just asked you to tell me where all of these people, only one of which is a historian BTW, said that Jesus wasn't dead when the spear hit him. The ball is in your court to offer quotes.
Originally by: AegriSomnia
Have you read anything by the aforementioned names, or did you just Wiki them and draw your own conclusions based on their bios?
LOL. Ahh, that's funny, but I can't tell you why. No. I have read all of them, and well, I happen to know Gary Habermas. :)
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Coniglietta Magica
Guys With Strippers
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.01 20:45:00 -
[628]
You obviously do not know ele very well if you are going to attack him with literature... Pure comedy. We still love you ele... =)
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Brobuck
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Posted - 2007.06.01 20:51:00 -
[629]
Edited by: Brobuck on 01/06/2007 20:54:59
Edited by: Brobuck on 01/06/2007 20:51:46
Originally by: eleuthereus
Okay, I was an FC one time. I helped coordinate the insertion of my 45-man gang that had been gathered in 77s, but unable to get into a very hostile 9-9 system. Gates were camped. I coordinated on channel-command TS how to get us into 9-9. Under heavy fire as various gangs (hostile and friendly were engaging), our gang jumped safely into the target system, and got to the POS without losing a single ship -- even though we were all doomsday's by BoB. The gang under me dubbed us all the Lucky 77s and all said they'd be glad to fly under me again.
You were an FC once?? Wow, I guess you really do know what you're talking about then. You managed to fly a gang of 45 pilots into a pos, with no losses (no kills either?). You sir, are a strategerical genius!
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AegriSomnia
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 20:53:00 -
[630]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: AegriSomnia
I was wondering where you went! Hey thats pretty good, man. Well, its seems I've struck a nerve.
Actulaly, just kind of a religious buff.
Originally by: AegriSomnia
Again, I told you if you had made up your mind about it, then the convo is pointless. And obviously you have.
Actually, I just asked you to tell me where all of these people, only one of which is a historian BTW, said that Jesus wasn't dead when the spear hit him. The ball is in your court to offer quotes.
Originally by: AegriSomnia
Have you read anything by the aforementioned names, or did you just Wiki them and draw your own conclusions based on their bios?
LOL. Ahh, that's funny, but I can't tell you why. No. I have read all of them, and well, I happen to know Gary Habermas. :)
All right, I'll admit you got me with my pants down on the Gary Habermas thing, but you admit you wrote a hit piece.
And admit you like donges
Originally by: grayson 34
Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.06.01 20:58:00 -
[631]
Quite good reading actually. Not the usual rant about 0.0 politicks.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 21:02:00 -
[632]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 21:09:37
Originally by: Brobuck
You were an FC once?? Wow, I guess you really do know what you're talking about then. You managed to fly a gang of 45 pilots into a pos, with no losses (no kills either?). You sir, are a strategerical genius!
lol. actually, that's not at all what I meant. it was my attempt to show how petty some accusations have been in this thread, and I was using the FC example as a light-hearted way of indicating this silliness. a'course being an FC once under such conditions ain't no big deal. duh. but it sure was fun for me and the guys at the time, and I was mentioning it to point out that I was partcipating in the action. that's all - no more, no less. But at this point, I do understand that just about anything is being grasped at in an effort to discredit what I posted -- without actually dealing w/ the post itself.
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Khemical
Gallente
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2007.06.01 21:09:00 -
[633]
Epic.
The OP gets major kudos. Fixing Eve by ruining CCP? Do they seriously think that'll work?
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Freddie Freeloader
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Posted - 2007.06.01 21:10:00 -
[634]
Totally off topic (well not totally, I didn't bring this up), but -
Who wrote the Bible? Who decided what was orthodox and what was heresy? Hint: Jesus sure didn't!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mbible3.html
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html
"The traditions of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living." --- incredibly ironic quote from Karl Marx
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AegriSomnia
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 21:27:00 -
[635]
Here, read some of these too. Maybe not by "HISTORIANS" all of them, but I believe enough suspicion has been raised regarding this subject.
The History of the Knights Templars
--Charles G. Addison
Rosslyn: Guardians of the Secret of the Holy Grail
--Tim Wallace-Murphy & Marilyn Hopkins
The Woman With The Alabaster Jar: Mary Magdalene and the Holy Grail
--Margaret Starbird
The Templar Revelation: Secret Guardians of the True Identity of Christ
--Lynn Picknett & Clive Prince
The Goddess in the Gospels: Reclaiming the Sacred Feminine
--Margaret Starbird
Holy Blood, Holy Grail.
--Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, Henry Lincoln
The Search for the Holy Grail and the Precious Blood
--Deike Begg
The Messianic Legacy
--Michael Baigent
The Knights Templar and their Myth
--Peter Partner
The Dead Sea Bible. The Oldest Known Bible
--Martin G. Abegg
The Dead Sea Deception
--Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh
Jesus and the Lost Goddess: The Secret Teachings of the Original Christians
--Timothy Freke, Peter Gandy
When God was a Woman
--Merlin Stone
The Chalice and the Blade. Our History, our Future
--Riane Eisler
Born in Blood
--John J. Robinson
The Malleus Maleficarum
--Heinrich Kramer & James Sprenger
Their Kingdom Come: Inside the secret world of Opus Dei
--Robert A. Hutchison
Beyond the Threshold: A Life in Opus Dei
--Maria Del Carmen Tapia
The Pope's Armada: Unlocking the Secrets of Mysterious and Powerful New Sects in the Church
--Gordon Urguhart
Opus Dei: An Investigation into the Secret Society Struggling for Power Within the Roman Catholic Church
--Michael Walsh
OMG I cant believe you hijacked me into a discussion about theology. DAM YOU!! DAM YOU ALL TO HECK!!!!!
Originally by: grayson 34
Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Airata
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Posted - 2007.06.01 21:29:00 -
[636]
Goons are my superheroes. Go goons!
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 21:37:00 -
[637]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 23:50:50
Originally by: AegriSomnia
[authors author authors]
OMG!! This is all The DaVinci Code stuff. In fact, Brown actually refers to several of these authors in his book - the very stuff he based is fiction book on. lol. I was right. These things -- especially the Holy Blood., Holy Grail guys -- were debunked years ago. The material by the Holy Grail Holy Blood was exposed as a near-hoax, complete with documentation showing that the authors referred to forged documents. ah well. Too far off topic to even bother. But yeah, seriously, whatever, mor power to ya, be happy.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 21:42:00 -
[638]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 21:41:38
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AegriSomnia
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 21:44:00 -
[639]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 21:36:11
Originally by: AegriSomnia
[authors author authors]
OMG!! This is all The DaVinci Code stuff. In fact, Brown actually refers to several of these authors in his book - the very stuff he based is fiction book on. lol. I was right. These things, especially the Holy Blood., Holy Grail guys. Their stuff has been debunked years ago as a near-hoax, complete with documentation showing that the authors referred to forged documents. ah well. Too far off topic to even bother.
Pirated straight off his website!!! Good on ya, Ele. Its too bad yer leavin, you seem like a halfway decent chap, except for the entirety of this thread . Would have loved to debate 9/11 conspiracy with ya, UFO's, NWO, Freemasonry, JFK and the like. But alas, it is not to be. o/
Originally by: grayson 34
Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 21:46:00 -
[640]
Originally by: AegriSomnia
Would have loved to debate 9/11 conspiracy with ya, UFO's, NWO, Freemasonry, JFK and the like. But alas, it is not to be. o/
Ha. Now we actually might have seen eye to eye on some of that stuff. best to ya. fly safe.
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Jack Icegaard
The Omega Project
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Posted - 2007.06.01 21:49:00 -
[641]
eleuthereus, you try to come across as objective and not driven by some grudge verses the alliance you now choose to leave. You are making a big number out of the fact that you could, but did not steal BPOs etc.
You want us to believe that the intention of this post wasn't to hurt the Goons, just to share some information so that anyone can decide for him/herself. You later enter the thread and act surprised that Goon-members are "miffed" by your post.
I don't really buy this. Why do you post the prediction that the Goons will go down soon? Why post the inside information that the Goons are really weak right now and would be killed easily if BoB decided to go for it? Information such as: they are low on ISK, their members are confused and disorganized, leadership is weak etc. No matter if this is true or not, i can easily understand if the average Goon member isn't happy about this being posted about them.
IMO, your post have "weasel" written all over it.
Having said that, this post should not be red as a defense for the demeanor of certain Goon members. The spam attack and the smacktardness is annoying me as much as the next guy.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 22:03:00 -
[642]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 22:02:38
Originally by: Jack Icegaard
I don't really buy this. Why do you post the prediction that the Goons will go down soon? Why post the inside information that the Goons are really weak right now and would be killed easily if BoB decided to go for it? Information such as: they are low on ISK, their members are confused and disorganized, leadership is weak etc. No matter if this is true or not, i can easily understand if the average Goon member isn't happy about this being posted about them.
Good points. You do realize that BoB has spies inside GS? I doubt very seriosuly that i have said anything not already known by BoB. And as for my prediction about them going down - that is simply a matter of deduction based on what I have seen in 0.0 in the last year and a half -- what it takes to control 0.0 space, let a lone a HUGE amount of territory now overrun by Goons. Pure logistics. As for the average Goon not being happy about what I have revealed, that is all pretty much in this week's State of the Goonion speech they've already posted on the web. It's at Eve-Files I believe, even. The mp3 here.
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Adrenochrome
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Posted - 2007.06.01 22:39:00 -
[643]
When you have read one Goon reply , you've read them all...
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Posted - 2007.06.01 22:52:00 -
[644]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 22:02:38
Originally by: Jack Icegaard
I don't really buy this. Why do you post the prediction that the Goons will go down soon? Why post the inside information that the Goons are really weak right now and would be killed easily if BoB decided to go for it? Information such as: they are low on ISK, their members are confused and disorganized, leadership is weak etc. No matter if this is true or not, i can easily understand if the average Goon member isn't happy about this being posted about them.
Good points. You do realize that BoB has spies inside GS? I doubt very seriosuly that i have said anything not already known by BoB. And as for my prediction about them going down - that is simply a matter of deduction based on what I have seen in 0.0 in the last year and a half -- what it takes to control 0.0 space, let a lone a HUGE amount of territory now overrun by Goons. Pure logistics. As for the average Goon not being happy about what I have revealed, that is all pretty much in this week's State of the Goonion speech they've already posted on the web. It's at Eve-Files I believe, even. The mp3 here.
They probably didn't know how desperately you wanted into BoB. Seriously though you guys should let him in see he's one of the good goons aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 23:47:00 -
[645]
Uhm, no need to keep convoing me in-game.
I am not in BoB.
I have not applied to BoB.
BoB has not asked me to join.
I am not a spy.
I am not in CCp.
lol. ahh, this has gotten so strange.
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Deaken Fiss
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.01 23:50:00 -
[646]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Okay, I was an FC one time. I helped coordinate the insertion of my 45-man gang that had been gathered in 77s, but unable to get into a very hostile 9-9 system. Gates were camped. I coordinated on channel-command TS how to get us into 9-9. Under heavy fire as various gangs (hostile and friendly were engaging), our gang jumped safely into the target system, and got to the POS without losing a single ship -- even though we were all doomsday's by BoB. The gang under me dubbed us all the Lucky 77s and all said they'd be glad to fly under me again.
holy ****... we lost our best FC it seems.
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CrasherAlt
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Posted - 2007.06.01 23:51:00 -
[647]
Edited by: CrasherAlt on 01/06/2007 23:55:02
Edited by: CrasherAlt on 01/06/2007 23:51:40
wow.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.01 23:54:00 -
[648]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 01/06/2007 23:54:37
Originally by: Deaken Fiss
holy ****... we lost our best FC it seems.
See above post here, where I talk about this same old tired comment. (Posted - 2007.06.01 21:02:00 - [663])
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Intentional Negligence
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Posted - 2007.06.01 23:55:00 -
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Haha reading all the replies to this thread is almost as entertaining as the first post.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.02 00:54:00 -
[650]
Originally by: Sicks Stringed
Haha reading all the replies to this thread is almost as entertaining as the first post.
It has gotten a bit ... interesting.
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Tenath
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Posted - 2007.06.02 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Adrenochrome
When you have read one Goon reply , you've read them all...
I humbly apologize, the alt appears again. But this lie, too comic to let slide, must be brought forth for laughter.
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Drizit
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.02 01:52:00 -
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eleuthereus, I am surprised that you are replying to the obvious baiting replies being done here by the goons. They just seem to be swamping the thread, hoping that others will not reply since it's so long.
Great read though. I normally skip these kind of threads when it's late at night. You presented your case with the talent of a writer to compel the reader to keep going.
Good luck on finding a new place to start again.
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shuoo
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Posted - 2007.06.02 02:07:00 -
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I think the bigest mistake goons made was making this guy a director. Look at it this way evrey place this guy went turned to crap. 2 of the top alliances only memories. Goons just be happy he left before it was to late lol. No realy.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.02 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: shuoo
I think the bigest mistake goons made was making this guy a director. Look at it this way evrey place this guy went turned to crap. 2 of the top alliances only memories. Goons just be happy he left before it was to late lol. No realy.
That's what I was thinking - I prolly saved goons! lol.
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Kaplanelle
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.02 03:45:00 -
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Edited by: Kaplanelle on 02/06/2007 03:46:12
Originally by: Mud Pandemonium
words words words
Post more, plz. If the forums had more of this stuff, I'd feel a little worse of us crapping up the forums.
El, sorry pal, argue as you may--you weren't equal time, nor circumspect in your appraisal. Rhetoric is not action, as is evident here. You either got very hung up on the shocktalk or are playing dumb. I'm leaning toward the former, but your overdone "oh hay bob & co" comments tell a mixed motive.
PROTIP: Read goon messages two or three times and ponder "Am I being trolled here?"
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Kiko Goatbiter
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.02 04:16:00 -
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Fantastic OP, well stated and I agree with everything you wrote. I wish you good luck in your future endeavours and I respect your decisions and wish you luck in Eve-Online.
May you always fly with honor o7
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Locus Bey
Gallente
Qalandar
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Posted - 2007.06.02 04:16:00 -
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I've seen ONLY 1 Goon post with anything besides trolling in reply to this post, and even he got sidetracked into a religious discussion All I see is a wall of vitriol designed to derail. Maybe, and just maybe, if more than 1/100 Goons had something profitable to say, you wouldn't be so despised. What's more your neverending attempts to derail are beginning to bite you on the bum. Play the game, not the man!
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Kaplanelle
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.02 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Locus Bey
Play the game, not the man!
no u
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SumDum
AirHawk Alliance
Insomnia.
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Posted - 2007.06.02 05:03:00 -
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/me grunts and goes back to pew pew
nice auto-biography though.
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Ladyah Liandri
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.06.02 08:26:00 -
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If someone want's to learn something about EVE he or she just needs to read this very post. Repeating request for sticky.
Keep it up eleuthereus - I really like your style.
Goons keep it up as well - haven't laughed hard enough today.
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Fester Addams
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.02 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Plaetean
Excellent post, thanks for taking the time to write it, makes me wonder how you ended up in GS. The Goons have made it clear they aim to ruin eve, this just confirms my suspicions about them.
Thanks again for writing this, it must have taken a while, but it was worth the read.
Actually you should go back and reread the quoted post.
What the Goon post stated was that the best way to SAVE EvE was to get it away from CCP.
At this time I disagree with that however considering CCP's track record (T20, CCP tinfoil hattery...) any more scandals may just start shifting my opinion.
That wich I really belive is that EvE will not survive the loss of CCP and vice verce, the two are dependent on each other.
CCP needs to take their head out of the sand and takes a critical look at how they handle large community issues.
I would hate to see EvE go away for such a silly reason.
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Horas Redwyne
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Posted - 2007.06.02 09:32:00 -
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Kudos to OP.
Hope you find the corp where you fell like home again! :)
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Xriss Ravana
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Posted - 2007.06.02 10:04:00 -
[663]
So basically what the op is saying is "Goons are juvenille a**holes". But not that they are pure evil. Seems about right to me.
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.02 10:37:00 -
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I get asked so often by alts dropping by the FNA why I'm not in a player corp. I think from now on I'll just link this thread as all the explanation I need.
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Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.02 10:45:00 -
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What, no response to my post? :/
I must not have included enough trollbait or something, I'm sorry.
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Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.02 10:45:00 -
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What, no response to my post? :/
I must not have included enough trollbait or something, I'm sorry.
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Krysta Gemme
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Posted - 2007.06.02 11:29:00 -
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As a new player of Eve, but not a new player of MMO's I have noticed this very human trend of people bashing on a group of people simply due to attitude or experience without truly having knowledge of the underlying cause or history of those they feel disdain for.
The concept of the local pariah has in fact infected many games.
However not many of you would know the history of the "Goons", I sure don't. Yet many of you will raise a finger and point and laugh, simply because others will. You will pick up rocks and toss them, simply because it's said in the realm that they deserve it. You would join the mob for kicks and smear, without truly understanding.
Common human behavior.
From what I've seen, Goonswarm is a crew of people who started small with an intent to fly space and have a blast. Like most young corporations, in it's efforts they included people with similar ideals and intentions. Juvenile as they may be, the hooting and hollering, pillage and scamming, destruction and mayhem of their squad members was something they celebrated and carried with them as a flag into battle.
Eventually, they weren't appreciated by the more civilized members of space, and were attacked repeatedly, under the threat of near destruction. However, somehow, this group of "Immature rapscallions" got together and formed a corps of fleet that not only fought back against their aggressors, but grew to become a strong fleet in itself. Taking over their past aggressors and leaving shreds of steel and blood in its wake.
Like any force that grows in a political universe such as Eve, they will eventually have to involve themselves in politics. Looked down upon by the other Corps, they had to accept them as a force in the universe, if with reluctance, and their disdain would show itself as obvious. The mistakes of the Goonswarm, will have more impact than any other, due in part to that disdain. Those in power would be nothing but happy to see it go, but one cannot ignore. One cannot disrespect the tenacity of a corp of people who made something of themselves and had the gall to have fun while doing it.
From this new member of the universe trying to make his way, all I can see is respect for this crew of people. Who under pressure of politics ingame and out, still refuse to give in, or give up their way of life. There will always be those that others dislike. Much like the Minmatar pirates within the story of Eve, they are a force of illwill pirates that the others hate and would rather see eradicated, but cannot ignore their political presence in the universe.
The bottom line, the world of Eve would not be what it is without its pariah's. The world would be shaped differently if not for people like them. Love them, or hate them, or simply tolerate them... know this. Balance is never achieved through one side of the scale alone. Morality, immaturity, and ethics can only come into play when the conditions that break them exist.
Thank heavens I say for individuals like the Goons who give those with a righteous heart a reason to preach. Who give those with a crazed heart to wreck havoc, to give those that want more from their MMO's than the simple concept of good and evil a reason to truly LOOK at the people who play it and make their own decisions in the game.
It was once said by a Developer that Eve was designed to be a dark and harsh world...
...maybe for some. I don't think it's so dark for a swarm of people out there in space.
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Jiin
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.02 11:35:00 -
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Just posting to say that I didn't read a single word of the OP.
Good luck in EVE!
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.02 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Sejanus
I get asked so often by alts dropping by the FNA why I'm not in a player corp. I think from now on I'll just link this thread as all the explanation I need.
Not really my intention, but I can understand. The fact is that many, many corps/alliances are a great place to be. Even for pilots who are "Goony," Goonswarm would be a great place for them The old, "Birds of a feather ..." cliche. And as I mentioned about the harsh realities of 0.0 life, surviving there in a corp/alliance can indeed bring pilots together in some very unique ways.
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Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.02 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Krysta Gemme
As a new player of Eve, but not a new player of MMO's I have noticed this very human trend of people bashing on a group of people simply due to attitude or experience without truly having knowledge of the underlying cause or history of those they feel disdain for.
etc etc etc....
If you're really a new player that is unfamiliar with Eve and the Goons, let me say that normally I would agree with you to some degree.
However, speaking as someone that knows a LOT about the history of the goonswarm organization, where they come from, where they've been, and what they think about eve, let me tell you something. You are 100% wrong. They deserve no benefit of the doubt, no second chance, they deserve no respect.
There are certainly good people in Goon, and im sure there are entire corps that joined that alliance for some reason or another that most likely don't deserve to be painted with the goonswarm brush. However, they have brought it upon themselves by aligning with a terrible organization and cast their lot with the damned (so to speak). If they don't like the heat, they are more than welcome to leave Goonswarm in order to continue showing the leadership/driving forces behind that penultimate crap pile that their way of gaming is NOT acceptable to the rest of us.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.02 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Snowden Vel on 02/06/2007 14:56:36
Originally by: Anille Kole
Originally by: Snowden Vel
[Reference to accusation of exploits]
bookmarks, drones, and numbers
Okay:
- BPs - most of these allegations came out of our first invasion of XZH, when we were struggling to keep a steady flow of replacements streaming north to offset our losses. To speed this up, we were distributing insta pyramids among the membership, which required a lot of copying. Some goons got blown up doing this en route and some goons got caught doing this when they thought they were safe idling at the station or gate in XZH, but the end result was a few ships full of BMs. The other prong of that allegation, cans, was largely the result of the fact that goons had no sniper instas for XZH, so several FCs took to ordering fast frigates to place cans several hundred KM up, down, and in the cardinal directions to get a warpin for our extremely short ranged fleet. Occasionally a GM would tell us to keep the number of cans down and we'd comply, but it was never punished. The drones have the most to do with a bunch of overeager goons seeing their first dreadnaughts and wanting to be ready with as much damage as possible. As for numbers, were we supposed to turn pilots away when we were fighting tooth and nail for our first conquerable space? Everyone puts as many people as they can on the field. That often has unfortunate outcomes, but it's not an exploit. Lotka Volterra's 400-man gatecamp with 19-some bubbles during the battle of JV1V is just one example.
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What? The volume of goon posting is a function of our size, not frequency.
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Though I'm sure I've seen a few goon CAOD altposts here and there over the last few months that's no different than the rest of the EVE population. There's nothing extraordinary or ban-worthy about this.
Have you ever read the forums? Come back and tell me when you have; and seriously! Not just "lol donge" posts and putting enough thought into it to come up with a copy pasta of your own propaganda! I'm probably asking too much from a group known to do the opposite pretty much always, though.
This doesn't include the threadnaught, but your assertion has no more weight than mine. You're not the only person here capable of reading and counting, and though most people would apparently put long division beyond goons I think I can say with confidence you're wrong.
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goons actually smack far less
"LOL"
Okay, I'm not going to count Tolon while drunk, but otherwise I'm totally confident of this assertion. If you saw any chatlog of our major battles across the south it would largely be endless smacktalk from our friends in V and LV. People who reply in local usually get a barrage of "shut the **** up" responses in gang chat and on teamspeak. And seriously, if you count EVE-O you guys blow us out of the water.
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I'm just going to say that heavy-handed moderation of our initial inquiries did a far better job of casting CCP in that light than we ever could have.
50 pages of GoonSpam.
This was after CCP swept our initial responses under the rug without a reply.
Originally by: Locus Bey
I've seen ONLY 1 Goon post with anything besides trolling in reply to this post, and even he got sidetracked into a religious discussion All I see is a wall of vitriol designed to derail. Maybe, and just maybe, if more than 1/100 Goons had something profitable to say, you wouldn't be so despised. What's more your neverending attempts to derail are beginning to bite you on the bum. Play the game, not the man!
This is cute. We've made plenty of valid points in this thread, just because you disagree it doesn't mean they're trolling.
Originally by: Krysta Gemme
words
"There is not much mental distance between a feeling of having been screwed and the ethic of total retaliation, or at least the random revenge that comes with outraging the public decency." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.02 15:10:00 -
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I would have taken the BPOs if I were you.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.02 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
I would have taken the BPOs if I were you.
I know - that's why you're a Goon, and I am not. :)
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.02 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
I would have taken the BPOs if I were you.
I know - that's why you're a Goon, and I am not. :)
Yep.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.02 15:37:00 -
[675]
Edited by: eleuthereus on 02/06/2007 15:37:48
Originally by: Snowden Vel
... most of these allegations came out of our first invasion of XZH, when we were struggling to keep a steady flow of replacements streaming north to offset our losses. To speed this up, we were distributing insta pyramids among the membership, which required a lot of copying. Some goons got blown up doing this en route and some goons got caught doing this when they thought they were safe idling at the station or gate in XZH, but the end result was a few ships full of BMs. The other prong of that allegation, cans, was largely the result of the fact that goons had no sniper instas for XZH, so several FCs took to ordering fast frigates to place cans several hundred KM up, down, and in the cardinal directions to get a warpin for our extremely short ranged fleet. Occasionally a GM would tell us to keep the number of cans down and we'd comply, but it was never punished. The drones have the most to do with a bunch of overeager goons seeing their first dreadnaughts and wanting to be ready with as much damage as possible. As for numbers, were we supposed to turn pilots away when we were fighting tooth and nail for our first conquerable space? Everyone puts as many people as they can on the field. That often has unfortunate outcomes, but it's not an exploit. Lotka Volterra's 400-man gatecamp with 19-some bubbles during the battle of JV1V is just one example.
Seems reasonable. I didn't see any such exploits when I was in Goons -- and you all know I would tell you if I had. hehe.
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Okay, I'm not going to count Tolon while drunk, but otherwise I'm totally confident of this assertion. If you saw any chatlog of our major battles across the south it would largely be endless smacktalk from our friends in V and LV. People who reply in local usually get a barrage of "shut the **** up" responses in gang chat and on teamspeak
I can verify this. I saw local smacking kept to a minimum, pretty much non-existent. IN fact, I was told to STFU when we were engaging BoB and I happened to see a former ASCN guy in the enemy camp and just said "Hi, welcome to teh system. How you been?" I can only rememebr on one occassion, an FC engaging in local smacking. I can't remember who it was. BUt it indeed may have been a drunk Tolon.
Originally by: Snowden Vel
This was after CCP swept our initial responses under the rug without a reply.
See my OP.
Originally by: Snowden Vel
This is cute. We've made plenty of valid points in this thread, just because you disagree it doesn't mean they're trolling.
Here's where I must disagree. I would say a majority of the GS posts here have been deflection via the use of personal attacks, false accusations, denials, and just plain old misinformation -- all to show how I am unreliable and only bad-mouthing, attacking, smearing the swarm. Oddly, however, some GS posters here -- a minority -- have actually contradicted these other GS posters by saying I described GS pretty much right on. So there seems to be some confusion among the bees as to their identity and philosophy of play.
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Groox
Enterprise Estonia
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Posted - 2007.06.02 16:04:00 -
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Thank you eleuthereus for your time putting toghether this long post. I truly enjoyed it.
It's really good to read one men story trough epic times in EVE. You can feel yourself quite fortunate to experience stuff like birth of the first Titan, defeat of the ASCN, LV. And of course feel of Goons.
Good luck in what ever you are up to next.
PS! Can I send you 1 000 000 isk for your time?
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.02 16:10:00 -
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Send it to me I will forward it to him.
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Groox
Enterprise Estonia
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Posted - 2007.06.02 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Groox on 02/06/2007 16:24:57
lol, eleuthereus convoed me before reading my post here and said that I gave him money by accident.
I think it says a lot about his personality...
indeed he does not fit into goonish profile at all.
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Praznagar Morthaius
Caldari
The Theta Project
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.02 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: eleuthereus
Here's where I must disagree. I would say a majority of the GS posts here have been deflection via the use of personal attacks, false accusations, denials, and just plain old misinformation -- all to show how I am unreliable and only bad-mouthing, attacking, smearing the swarm. Oddly, however, some GS posters here -- a minority -- have actually contradicted these other GS posters by saying I described GS pretty much right on. So there seems to be some confusion among the bees as to their identity and philosophy of play.
Disagree all you want. You took the absolute greatest tribute that Goons give outsiders (near complete trust, acceptance, and a small cult following), and dumped all over it through your own public assertions and perceived understanding. And you have the gall to trivialize what we gave you because you had to pay for your bee to be your avatar.
You didn't take the time to understand things like our use of language that does nothing but disempower the most hateful words in our vocabulary. You complain about their use only because you fail to understand their contextual meaning. You hold yourself aloof, yet lack enlightenment.
And yes, you have a minority of Goons agreeing with you on your original points. Do you know why? Because there are a minority of goons that share the vision you present, and value the concept of being crass, loudmouthed, racist-epithet-spewing ogres that are the scourge of EVE and feared by every pubbie they come across. And they're happy to publicly agree with you on that. And they're most likely to, because they're the ones that won't shut up.
You didn't talk to 4000 goons, though. You didn't talk to a quarter of that. You didn't observe a tenth of our interaction. You fail to mention that random acts of hostility are often balanced by equally random acts of equal kindness. You fail to mention that our most intense and spiteful vitriol is saved for those who have stabbed us in the back, or betrayed our trust, or that just treat us like garbage because they like beating up the "little" guy. And you just can't see that while Goons laugh at hypocritical pubbie concepts of "honor", they have a more powerful (and unacknowledged) sense of honor than most of the people that claim one. But you wouldn't understand THAT either. Hell, most Goons don't understand that.
So here you go. This isn't a deflection, personal attack, or false accusation. And this isn't trolling. This is me informing you publicly that if you care at all to be truthful, kind, impartial, or any of those things you purport to be in your original post, you need to shut up and stop talking about what you don't understand. Your personal and limited understanding isn't truth, describing us as you have in an environment that you know is hostile to us isn't kind, and your own personal moral bias is not impartial.
Have fun wherever you go. And when you go somewhere that they're telling you what you can and can't do, realize that all the foul language, scamming, and piracy was simply symptomatic of a small population of the Swarm taking advantage of the greatest gift that being in GoonSwarm gives: freedom to play internet spaceships how we want to. It's a freedom that we'll fight tooth and nail to protect, so long as we don't have to fail any classes for it. And it's a freedom that not too many people get to have a taste of.
You are right about at least one thing, though. We don't want people coming out to our space, outsiders should really be intelligent about whether or not to trust us in a given circumstance, and explosions are pretty. What I don't get is that I don't see how that makes us any different from any other alliance.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.02 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: eleuthereus on 02/06/2007 17:22:28
PART ONE
Originally by: Praznagar Morthaius
You took the absolute greatest tribute that Goons give outsiders (near complete trust, acceptance, and a small cult following), and dumped all over it through your own public assertions and perceived understanding.
I interacted most intensely with my own corp, Ultrapolite Socialites, and my CEO, Lenny Lowcut. In my OP I made it VERY clear my thoughts regarding THEM. I did not dump all over them. Read the OP again. As for my public assertions and perceived understanding of the broader Goonswarm identity -- i refer you to the State of Goonion speech by mawg that VERY CLEARLY lays out the corporate identity of Goomswarm and Goons in general. Your own leaders revel in describing all of you as "jerks." a**holes," "cruel," "sadistic" griefers who "are fundamentally in this game to have fun at the expense of the people that we don't like, and that means 90% of Eve." And again, he stated, ""Our focus in this game is wrecking people we don't like" -- i.e., 90% of Eve. My friend, that is coming out of the mouths of your own LEADERS. Not me. argue with them. And these things have nothing to do with the much-talked-about supposed Gooney way of using racist epithets and images as an apparent way of trying to show how powerless they really are (a very dicey position, IMHO).
Originally by: Praznagar Morthaius
And you have the gall to trivialize what we gave you because you had to pay for your bee to be your avatar.
No. I trivialized nothing. I was responding to a Goon who said I received that bee FREE and unsolicited.
Originally by: Praznagar Morthaius
You didn't take the time to understand things like our use of language that does nothing but disempower the most hateful words in our vocabulary. You complain about their use only because you fail to understand their contextual meaning. You hold yourself aloof, yet lack enlightenment.
Goons have made it a point to use those supposedly disempowered words and references OUTSIDE of their own contextualized, private, cultural, inner, closed society/circle. Thus, leading to the perception of them being a bunch of racist hooligans. But even if we deal with such behavior/language in a closed environment - it doesn't make it less offensive to people who have seen first-hand, and up close, the devastation and horror that racism can bring to the lives of people in RL. The constant barrage within GS of racist epithets, white supremacist images cartoons of Blacks/Jews taken from some of the virulent racist literature, and animated gifs that mock and degrade non-whites, is very offensive to just about anyone in any cultural circle -- except Goons in GS. It says a lot about the so-called disempowering of such things.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.02 17:22:00 -
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PART TWO
Originally by: Praznagar Morthaius
And yes, you have a minority of Goons agreeing with you on your original points. Do you know why? Because there are a minority of goons that share the vision you present, and value the concept of being crass, loudmouthed, racist-epithet-spewing ogres that are the scourge of EVE and feared by every pubbie they come across. And they're happy to publicly agree with you on that. And they're most likely to, because they're the ones that won't shut up.
I quote your own State of the Goonion speech that DEFINED Goonswarm as an enity. The speech clearly stated, in fact, that Goons had recently moved away slightly from their odeous roots as griefers and pariah status, and NOW it is time to renew that commitment to being disgusting troublemakers to the community. Time to go back to what Goonswarm as always been, and what it was always intended to be. Listen to that speech again. This is not just a few isolated Goons as you seem to think. This is the core identity of the swarm.
Originally by: Praznagar Morthaius
And you just can't see that while Goons laugh at hypocritical pubbie concepts of "honor", they have a more powerful (and unacknowledged) sense of honor than most of the people that claim one.
More powerful? That's quote a statement against the honor that is spread out over a LOT of Eve players. I wouldn't want to make that kind of call and judgment. I didn't even make that kind of judgment on GS. I simply revealed what your own leadership has declared. You are the one who has to live with it.
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Praznagar Morthaius
Caldari
The Theta Project
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.02 18:02:00 -
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Since you're going to cherry pick points you want to contest in order to maintain credibility, I'll go ahead and do the same.
Originally by: eleuthereus
Goons have made it a point to use those supposedly disempowered words and references OUTSIDE of their own contextualized, private, cultural, inner, closed society/circle. Thus, leading to the perception of them being a bunch of racist hooligans. But even if we deal with such behavior/language in a closed environment - it doesn't make it less offensive to people who have seen first-hand, and up close, the devastation and horror that racism can bring to the lives of people in RL. The constant barrage within GS of racist epithets, white supremacist images cartoons of Blacks/Jews taken from some of the virulent racist literature, and animated gifs that mock and degrade non-whites, is very offensive to just about anyone in any cultural circle -- except Goons in GS. It says a lot about the so-called disempowering of such things.
I'll go ahead and point out here that if you were TRULY concerned with being truthful, impartial, and that other BS you claimed, you'd take the opportunity to, instead of highlighting the behavior, explain the behavior. Except that you can't. Because, as I stated, you don't get it.
You assume that because people don't deal with horrible and unavoidable concepts within the world the same way that you do, that they haven't been through it, or seen it first hand. You apparently have been through enough hardship and adversity in your life that you see yourself fit to judge the actions of others.
You never will get it. And none of your responses refute that, or indicate any understanding. Your "insider perspective" is an observer's perspective. You stood at an open door and looked in the building, and saw what was going on in the lobby. That's all.
You're almost borderline. You make some good points. But you're not there, and you're feeding people inaccurate information, regardless of what snippets you're quoting from where.
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Originally by: Praznagar Morthaius
I'll go ahead and point out here that if you were TRULY concerned with being truthful, impartial, and that other BS you claimed, you'd take the opportunity to,
Yeah, you're right. That's why I exonerated GS from CCP implications regarding the deliberate planning of the Threadnaught as a means of trying to hurt forums; defended GS above in post against charges of using exploits, and confirmed in post above that GS had not resorted to smacktalking in local, which was alleged by another post. Yeah, I'm not trying at all to be "truthful, impartial"
Originally by: Praznagar Morthaius
instead of highlighting the behavior, explain the behavior. Except that you can't. Because, as I stated, you don't get it.
Uhm, actually, I do get it. In my last post above I repeated your very own explanation of it, and then expalined why it has serious flaws. Read again.
Originally by: Praznagar Morthaius
You assume that because people don't deal with horrible and unavoidable concepts within the world the same way that you do, that they haven't been through it, or seen it first hand.
I never said that. I said the way they deal with it: 1) has leaked out into the outer non-GS community; 2) is still offensive even within the GS community to some of its members (who, I would assume, end up leaving); 3) sounds a bit hollow of an explanation given the virulent nature of some of the statements/images I have personally seen. C'mon, there is some truly SICK stuff on the GS forums. I mean, really, we're talking stuff culled from racist organizations whose memberes have beat and killed people. If GS members think those kinds of images are funny -- in ANY context -- well, okay then. But don't get all surprised when the rest of the world looks at it, and you, and says -- well, you know what they are saying.
Originally by: Praznagar Morthaius
You apparently have been through enough hardship and adversity in your life that you see yourself fit to judge the actions of others.
Oh, now, c'mon. All of us judge people every day. Laws of civilized society themselves are judgements that determine that certain actions/behaviors are right and wrong. So, that argument holds little water.
Originally by: Praznagar Morthaius
you're feeding people inaccurate information, regardless of what snippets you're quoting from where.
As I said, no snippets. Go listen to this week's State of Goonion -- that's your worst enemy. (see above full quotes, in context, of Goonswarm idenity, as defined in State of Goonion).
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jiin
Just posting to say that I didn't read a single word of the OP.
Good luck in EVE!
This is all you really need to hear:
Originally by: Goonswarm
"The easiest way to 'fix' Eve is to ruin CCP's credibility in the industry, and totally ******* ruin the launch and first few months of their White Wolf RPG by epic degrees of****gotry and griefing, so that the only thing they have left is Eve. Eventually someone will see them as a profitable takeover target, and a company that isn't run by ******s will buy them out. The headquarters for game development will be moved to a country that isn't populated by unprofessional ice nig***s." (Dawnfiend, post #1880)
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Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Snowden Vel
Okay:
- BPs - most of these allegations came out of our first invasion of XZH, when we were struggling to keep a steady flow of replacements streaming north to offset our losses. To speed this up, we were distributing insta pyramids among the membership, which required a lot of copying. Some goons got blown up doing this en route and some goons got caught doing this when they thought they were safe idling at the station or gate in XZH, but the end result was a few ships full of BMs. The other prong of that allegation, cans, was largely the result of the fact that goons had no sniper instas for XZH, so several FCs took to ordering fast frigates to place cans several hundred KM up, down, and in the cardinal directions to get a warpin for our extremely short ranged fleet. Occasionally a GM would tell us to keep the number of cans down and we'd comply, but it was never punished. The drones have the most to do with a bunch of overeager goons seeing their first dreadnaughts and wanting to be ready with as much damage as possible. As for numbers, were we supposed to turn pilots away when we were fighting tooth and nail for our first conquerable space? Everyone puts as many people as they can on the field. That often has unfortunate outcomes, but it's not an exploit. Lotka Volterra's 400-man gatecamp with 19-some bubbles during the battle of JV1V is just one example.
Uh, I've seen pictures of you guys doing organized raids of nothing but Gallente frigates with as many drones as possible(and they bumped, too), Goon shuttle scans showing nothing but massive amounts of BPs(and not labeled, just random things), and untold amounts of fofo'ing. So, I guess it's all up to whatever side people want to believe. I can't argue with the numbers, really, because your alliance is so large, but you guys understand the limits too, and it's an easy conclusion if you guys crash a system, that you did it on purpose.
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This doesn't include the threadnaught, but your assertion has no more weight than mine. You're not the only person here capable of reading and counting, and though most people would apparently put long division beyond goons I think I can say with confidence you're wrong.
Whatever you say, VCBee9000.
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Okay, I'm not going to count Tolon while drunk, but otherwise I'm totally confident of this assertion. If you saw any chatlog of our major battles across the south it would largely be endless smacktalk from our friends in V and LV. People who reply in local usually get a barrage of "shut the **** up" responses in gang chat and on teamspeak. And seriously, if you count EVE-O you guys blow us out of the water.
Seriously, I don't think you've ever been in local with anyone from GoonSwarm who wasn't being watched by the leadership. I don't care if you say there's a ban, honestly, since I don't blindly trust the GoonSwarm leadership, and I actually play the game, instead of posting 1/3 of the posts in a 20+ page thread.
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Your inquiries were one post accusing CCP of a giant stream of corruption, then 50 pages of GoonSpam.
This was after CCP swept our initial responses under the rug without a reply.
I added the part you cut out. The one making your current "point" moot.
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This is cute. We've made plenty of valid points in this thread, just because you disagree it doesn't mean they're trolling.[In response to Locus Bey]
Actually, most of your "valid" points are contradictory, or are just outright stupid, like what eleuthereus has to put up with nearly every single post he does to respond to you guys.
By the way, nice find, Thanos Draicon.
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You took the absolute greatest tribute that Goons give outsiders (near complete trust, acceptance, and a small cult following), and dumped all over it through your own public assertions and perceived understanding.
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hypocritical pubbie concepts of "honor"
*blinks*
You are aware Goons are human like everyone else and not a seperate species, right?
Jesus, all this 'outsiders' and 'pubbie' stuff makes you sound straight out of Royston Vasey
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Anille Kole
By the way, nice find, Thanos Draicon.
I just felt it sums up this entire thread very accurately. Thanks though.
"The easiest way to 'fix' Eve is to ruin CCP's credibility in the industry, and totally ******* ruin their White Wolf RPG by epic degrees of ****gotry and griefing"
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Posted - 2007.06.02 20:24:00 -
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I can't imagine Eve without the Goons.
Nice post, interesting read.
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Originally by: Krysta Gemme
:words:
:shobon:
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Originally by: Thanos Draicon
This is all you really need to hear:
Originally by: Goonswarm
"The easiest way to 'fix' Eve is to ruin CCP's credibility in the industry, and totally ******* ruin the launch and first few months of their White Wolf RPG by epic degrees of****gotry and griefing, so that the only thing they have left is Eve. Eventually someone will see them as a profitable takeover target, and a company that isn't run by ******s will buy them out. The headquarters for game development will be moved to a country that isn't populated by unprofessional ice nig***s." (Dawnfiend, post #1880)
I'm not sure the Goons are intelligent enough to realize that comments such as this are well within the bounds of legal action. If the Goons are smart (and, as I stated, they are not) they will start cutting and running and seperate ASAP, because statements like the one above are going to create the need to pay attorneys fees very, very soon.
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Posted - 2007.06.02 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Elenath on 02/06/2007 20:50:09
I would also like to add (and this is coming from someone with genuine legal experience) -
It's still astounding to see the Goons defending these actions. It's also amazing to see people so free of critical thinking skills that they are not able to seperate fact from fiction.
Is CCP free of blame? No, probably not. It's obvious that their policies regarding GM/player interaction needs some review... and I'd suspect that they're addressing it now.
I'm also capable of realizing that since the Goons have repeatedly stated that they are in the business of griefing players and ruining gameplay and gaming companies that they have clearly crossed the boundary from 'kind of funny and offensive' to 'premeditated financial harm'. Their desire to win a popularity contest among Internet gamers and the Something Awful audience is about to cast them into the legal world.
The best thing for them to do is either dissolve very soon... or start hiring some legal counsel.
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Originally by: Elenath
Edited by: Elenath on 02/06/2007 20:50:09
I would also like to add (and this is coming from someone with genuine legal experience) -
It's still astounding to see the Goons defending these actions. It's also amazing to see people so free of critical thinking skills that they are not able to seperate fact from fiction.
Is CCP free of blame? No, probably not. It's obvious that their policies regarding GM/player interaction needs some review... and I'd suspect that they're addressing it now.
I'm also capable of realizing that since the Goons have repeatedly stated that they are in the business of griefing players and ruining gameplay and gaming companies that they have clearly crossed the boundary from 'kind of funny and offensive' to 'premeditated financial harm'. Their desire to win a popularity contest among Internet gamers and the Something Awful audience is about to cast them into the legal world.
The best thing for them to do is either dissolve very soon... or start hiring some legal counsel.
As an experienced internet lawyer with great knowledge of icelandic law and international law I disagree with your statement.
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Astral Mexicans
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Posted - 2007.06.02 21:09:00 -
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yet another goon tread shrug!
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Posted - 2007.06.02 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Kar Strike on 02/06/2007 21:10:37
Edited by: Kar Strike on 02/06/2007 21:10:19
Originally by: She's Primary
As an experienced internet lawyer with great knowledge of icelandic law and international law I disagree with your statement.
The many hours I have spent playing Phoenix Wright games give me sufficient qualifications to concur.
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Originally by: Anille Kole
I've seen pictures of you guys doing organized raids of nothing but Gallente frigates with as many drones as possible(and they bumped, too), Goon shuttle scans showing nothing but massive amounts of BPs(and not labeled, just random things), and untold amounts of fofo'ing. So, I guess it's all up to whatever side people want to believe. I can't argue with the numbers, really, because your alliance is so large, but you guys understand the limits too, and it's an easy conclusion if you guys crash a system, that you did it on purpose.
You're seriously counting VCBee and Velator ops as horrible exploits? Those are just a fun way to blow of some steam, it's not like 80 Velators is any real threat. Lag has ruined our chances just as often as it's helped us, nobody enjoys huge module activation delays and your ship handling like it's in molasses. As for the fofos, that's a post-battle victory cry and always has been, has never been proven to cause real lag, and by the time it happens the fight's over and it's not going to make a difference even if it did.
What's really ridiculous about all this is that there are enough really legitimate reasons to dislike goons without resorting to all the bitterly personal exploit accusations. Putting aside whether ele is right about us being a bunch of neanderthals, yes, goons love offensive humor, yes, goons sometimes pirate, yes, goons sometimes scam. Those who don't have still thrown their lots in with the rest of us. If you don't like pirates, I understand that, and that's perfectly reasonable. But it's ridiculous that some people can't separate the game from life, which is what people are failing to do when they resort to calling us a bunch of cheats and ten year olds. You're letting your distaste bleed beyond the reasonable boundaries of the game.
Obviously, some people are going to keep coming back to the threadnaught as evidence that goons are taking things out of game, but as ele has said, that was a good faith effort (and Anille, there were ignored petitions and attempted escalations prior to it hitting the forums) to ensure that the devs were staying honest.
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Posted - 2007.06.02 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Anille Kole
You're seriously counting VCBee and Velator ops as horrible exploits? Those are just a fun way to blow of some steam, it's not like 80 Velators is any real threat.
Again, lol, I'm gonna have tvo side with Goons on this one. The above is not a sploit - It's goons being Kooky. A slosh op, sort of. Like teh night we all fitted haulers and went out hunting. C'mon Snowden, say something stupid so I can disgaree with you.
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Posted - 2007.06.02 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 02/06/2007 22:40:28
Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 02/06/2007 22:39:28
Originally by: Thanos Draicon
The easiest way to 'fix' Eve is to ruin CCP's credibility in the industry, and totally BEEP ruin the launch and their White Wolf RPG by epic degrees of BEEP and griefing."
-Dawnfiend, Goonswarm member #3456 who holds no leadership position and was told he was an idiot repeatedly by other goons 5 seconds after posting his misguided opinion.
Fixed. This is why quoting from private internal forums out of context is a really really terrible way to form an opinion about anyone. Especially people who are known for not being inhibited about saying stupid things on the internet.
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Posted - 2007.06.02 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Svaha Norbu
Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 02/06/2007 22:40:28
Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 02/06/2007 22:39:28
Originally by: Thanos Draicon
The easiest way to 'fix' Eve is to ruin CCP's credibility in the industry, and totally BEEP ruin the launch and their White Wolf RPG by epic degrees of BEEP and griefing."
-Dawnfiend, Goonswarm member #3456 who holds no leadership position and was told he was an idiot repeatedly by other goons 5 seconds after posting his misguided opinion.
Fixed. This is why quoting from private internal forums out of context is a really really terrible way to form an opinion about anyone. Especially people who are known for not being inhibited about saying stupid things on the internet.
Ironic how the actions of a single member of an organization can cause multiple people to jump to conclusions regarding the entirety of that organization, eh?
The easiest way to 'fix' Eve is to ruin CCP's credibility in the industry, and totally BEEP ruin the launch and their White Wolf RPG by epic degrees of BEEP and griefing."
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Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.02 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: eleuthereus on 02/06/2007 22:53:14
Originally by: Svaha Norbu
Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 02/06/2007 22:40:28
Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 02/06/2007 22:39:28
Originally by: Thanos Draicon
The easiest way to 'fix' Eve is to ruin CCP's credibility in the industry, and totally BEEP ruin the launch and their White Wolf RPG by epic degrees of BEEP and griefing."
-Dawnfiend, Goonswarm member #3456 who holds no leadership position and was told he was an idiot repeatedly by other goons 5 seconds after posting his misguided opinion.
Fixed. This is why quoting from private internal forums out of context is a really really terrible way to form an opinion about anyone. Especially people who are known for not being inhibited about saying stupid things on the internet.
Now, Svaha, you go and do this and just FORCE me to post more information. tsk tsk tsk. This is not going to end well. Alright, though, since you are pressing me. The fact is that within GS, and you know this to be true, for every comment like this one, there will indeed be someone smart enough, or several smart enough to say -- "YOU IDIOT." But in GS, there is also a large number, I would say a majority of bees, who will cheer such comments and say, "Yarrrrr! Yes! Woo Hoo. Let's do it."
Leadership nowhere said in the State of Goonion, at least in my memory, that it was adamantly against causing grief to Eve. Rather, the whole address seems like a very subtle, or not-so-subtle incite to terrorism. Just my opinion. This was already being expected by various long-time members of the swarm. I give you the words of Khefron, Goon since August 2006, who in 1V local was talking to some Goons voicing concerns about GS possibly disbanding and leaving EVe. He said, as follows:
----Begin Local Chat Log
[14:41:20] EVE System > Channel changed to 1V-LI2 Local Channel
[15:21:13] Khefron > if only you kids knew what was going to happen next.
[15:26:41] Khefron > The game will wish we were gone, but we're not going anywhere unless we all get banned.
[16:36:44] Khefron > listen to the State of the Goonion tonight.
[16:36:53] Khefron > all shall be revealed.
------- END
Ths certainly leaves room for the kind of actions suggested by Dawnfiend. No explicit approval, but it belies a permeating attitude thorughout GS that boils down to making Eve a living hell with griefing the game, players, and whoever else they don't like (remember, according to the State of Goonion speech, 90% of Eve).
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Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 02/06/2007 23:22:47
Originally by: eleuthereus
Now, Svaha, you go and do this and just FORCE me to post more information. tsk tsk tsk. This is not going to end well. Alright, though, since you are pressing me. The fact is that within GS, and you know this to be true, for every comment like this one, there will indeed be someone smart enough, or several smart enough to say -- "YOU IDIOT." But in GS, there is also a large number, I would say a majority of bees, who will cheer such comments and say, "Yarrrrr! Yes! Woo Hoo. Let's do it."
Leadership nowhere said in the State of Goonion, at least in my memory, that it was adamantly against causing grief to Eve. Rather, the whole address seems like a very subtle, or not-so-subtle incite to terrorism. Just my opinion. This was already being expected by various long-time members of the swarm. I give you the words of Khefron, Goon since August 2006, who in 1V local was talking to some Goons voicing concerns about GS possibly disbanding and leaving EVe. He said, as follows:
----Begin Local Chat Log
[14:41:20] EVE System > Channel changed to 1V-LI2 Local Channel
[15:21:13] Khefron > if only you kids knew what was going to happen next.
[15:26:41] Khefron > The game will wish we were gone, but we're not going anywhere unless we all get banned.
[16:36:44] Khefron > listen to the State of the Goonion tonight.
[16:36:53] Khefron > all shall be revealed.
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Ths certainly leaves room for the kind of actions suggested by Dawnfiend. No explicit approval, but it belies a permeating attitude thorughout GS that boils down to making Eve a living hell with griefing the game, players, and whoever else they don't like (remember, according to the State of Goonion speech, 90% of Eve).
Griefing other players inside the game, within the rules of the game. There was nothing in the state of the goonion that condones or encourages destroying CCP or EvE, and there is nothing in Khefron's statement that encourages it either.
All he says is that the only thing that will end goonswarm as an alliance is all of us being banned. How is that an encouragement to go out and get banned harming eve?
Answer: It isn't. It's a statement of resolve to keep fighting no matter what.
Tell me. Did you ever once see goons performing any of the many exploits we are regularly accused of on a regular basis? Besides the threadnaught (which was an effort to make CCP accountable when every other avenue to do so was closed) did you ever see anything that could be considered a concentrated and coordinated effort to "destroy EVE"?
Because I never did. All I ever saw were people playing the game the way it was designed to be played, in the way that suited them best.
In addition, Khefron's statement is completely and utterly out of context with the recent SOTG by months. I have to say eleuthereus, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt before, but it's pretty clear what your intentions are when you deliberately mislead people like this.
Originally by: Thanos Draicon
Ironic how the actions of a single member of an organization can cause multiple people to jump to conclusions regarding the entirety of that organization, eh?
Indeed. I could elaborate on this, but It would involve events that really should not be brought up in this thread, so I'll just agree with you and leave it there.
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Posted - 2007.06.02 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Svaha Norbu
words
"Oh, bother!" said Pooh. "It is so tiring when dealing with bees."
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Originally by: Svaha Norbu
Tell me. Did you ever once see goons performing any of the many exploits we are regularly accused of on a regular basis? Besides the threadnaught (which was an effort to make CCP accountable when every other avenue to do so was closed) did you ever see anything that could be considered a concentrated and coordinated effort to "destroy EVE"?
Because I never did. All I ever saw were people playing the game the way it was designed to be played, in the way that suited them best.
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Svaha Norbu
words
"Oh, bother!" said Pooh. "It is so tiring when dealing with bees."
Yeah. That's what I thought.
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Originally by: Svaha Norbu
Tell me. Did you ever once see goons performing any of the many exploits we are regularly accused of on a regular basis?
Well, the responses of your fellow goons seems to support the idea that they approve of and participate in such actions, at the least.
The easiest way to 'fix' Eve is to ruin CCP's credibility in the industry, and totally BEEP ruin the launch and their White Wolf RPG by epic degrees of BEEP and griefing."
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Posted - 2007.06.02 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: eleuthereus on 02/06/2007 23:51:04
Edited by: eleuthereus on 02/06/2007 23:49:51
Originally by: Svaha Norbu
Originally by: Svaha Norbu
Tell me. Did you ever once see goons performing any of the many exploits we are regularly accused of on a regular basis? Besides the threadnaught (which was an effort to make CCP accountable when every other avenue to do so was closed) did you ever see anything that could be considered a concentrated and coordinated effort to "destroy EVE"? Because I never did. All I ever saw were people playing the game the way it was designed to be played, in the way that suited them best.
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Svaha Norbu
words
"Oh, bother!" said Pooh. "It is so tiring when dealing with bees."
Yeah. That's what I thought.
And sadly, THAT'S what I thought. I had hoped, however, that you would surprise me. I have already stated, just on the last page in a resposne to Snowden - "Seems reasonable. I didn't see any such exploits when I was in Goons -- and you all know I would tell you if I had. hehe" (Posted - 2007.06.02 15:37:00 - [705]). Oh, Svaha. sigh. We are dealing with different issues here. We are . . . oh, nevermind.
And let me even add here for the record, fofofofofofofo is not an attempt to create lag, either. It's a victory cry.
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Edited by: Shohadaku on 02/06/2007 23:55:18
""If you think the game is rigged, why are you still playing?""
Think?...Your a fool to "think" there IS fair play with devs in player corps.
These issues and accusations will not stop as long as this continues.
Many will leave if things don't change in regards to favortism and lack of fairplaying field. ESPECIALLY if a good sci fi mmo releases.
I know I will be one of them.
As why I have not left already. I like the game. I am giving CCP the chance to change things and make it right.
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Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
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Originally by: Svaha Norbu
Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 02/06/2007 22:40:28
Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 02/06/2007 22:39:28
Originally by: Thanos Draicon
The easiest way to 'fix' Eve is to ruin CCP's credibility in the industry, and totally BEEP ruin the launch and their White Wolf RPG by epic degrees of BEEP and griefing."
-Dawnfiend, Goonswarm member #3456 who holds no leadership position and was told he was an idiot repeatedly by other goons 5 seconds after posting his misguided opinion.
Fixed. This is why quoting from private internal forums out of context is a really really terrible way to form an opinion about anyone. Especially people who are known for not being inhibited about saying stupid things on the internet.
Yes, because Goons know all about being responsible, and apparently are reformed people with high morals, despite everything eleuthereus has revealed here. Honestly, I think he's biased for the Goons if anything(by a large amount, I'd never talk about them in the way he has, considering the fact that I know what GoonSwarm tends to do), so quit whining whenever someone tarnishes your public image by handing out easy to read copies of basically what GoonSwarm is all about.
Originally by: eleuthereus
Edited by: eleuthereus on 02/06/2007 22:38:39
Originally by: Snowden Vel
You're seriously counting VCBee and Velator ops as horrible exploits? Those are just a fun way to blow of some steam, it's not like 80 Velators is any real threat.
Again, lol, I'm gonna have tvo side with Goons on this one. The above is not a sploit - It's goons being Kooky. A slosh op, sort of. Like teh night we all fitted haulers and went out hunting. C'mon Snowden, say something stupid so I can disgaree with you.
They were the classic lagsploitz(Yes, exploiting lag.) back in the days of early GoonSwarm. I merely stated I saw proof. All I've heard of the most recent stuff is rumors, which is why I've refrained from trying to rely on them. I've made connections between old tactics(recorded attempts to lagsploit) and current tactics(known exploitation of playerbase, if not game mechanics) to show that it is extremely likely that they continue to exploit game mechanics. Nothing you probably would've experienced, and honestly, nothing you might've known about considering your status as an upstanding player.
To Snowden(You should read the earlier part too): The VCBees weren't exploits to me, they were floods and floods of trolls for the forums, although I've heard they were the ones mainly participating in the ship spam when BoB had you guys locked down. I didn't mention them during the response to the exploits for a reason; I considered them nothing more than [heavily used] tools to troll with.
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Gallente
Aliastra
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[707]
Originally by: Anille Kole
They were the classic lagsploitz(Yes, exploiting lag.) back in the days of early GoonSwarm. I merely stated I saw proof. All I've heard of the most recent stuff is rumors, which is why I've refrained from trying to rely on them. I've made connections between old tactics(recorded attempts to lagsploit) and current tactics(known exploitation of playerbase, if not game mechanics) to show that it is extremely likely that they continue to exploit game mechanics. Nothing you probably would've experienced, and honestly, nothing you might've known about considering your status as an upstanding player.
yeah, of course I can only talk about what I saw and didn't see in my time w/ goons.
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Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.06.03 00:08:00 -
[708]
Originally by: Svaha Norbu
Originally by: Svaha Norbu
Tell me. Did you ever once see goons performing any of the many exploits we are regularly accused of on a regular basis? Besides the threadnaught (which was an effort to make CCP accountable when every other avenue to do so was closed) did you ever see anything that could be considered a concentrated and coordinated effort to "destroy EVE"?
Because I never did. All I ever saw were people playing the game the way it was designed to be played, in the way that suited them best.
Originally by: eleuthereus
Originally by: Svaha Norbu
words
"Oh, bother!" said Pooh. "It is so tiring when dealing with bees."
Yeah. That's what I thought.
Nice. :D
Goons being goony and annoying other people is perfectly legit and totally within the boundaries of the game. There's nothing wrong with being an *******.
I <3 Goons.
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GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 00:09:00 -
[709]
Originally by: eleuthereus
And sadly, THAT'S what I thought. I had hoped, however, that you would surprise me. I have already stated, just on the last page in a resposne to Snowden - "Seems reasonable. I didn't see any such exploits when I was in Goons -- and you all know I would tell you if I had. hehe" (Posted - 2007.06.02 15:37:00 - [705]). Oh, Svaha. sigh. We are dealing with different issues here. We are . . . oh, nevermind.
And let me even add here for the record, fofofofofofofo is not an attempt to create lag, either. It's a victory cry.
While I appreciate you being honest about some things like the above. (Which I don't expect anyone to believe anyway, if the past is any indication,)
Pardon me If I react badly to the implication that Goons are being encouraged to be Terrorists. Essentially what you have here is a bunch of random people saying stupid things on private internal forums (that are literally full to bursting with stupid things, very very few of which are serious about anything), but not a shred of evidence that they ever acted on those things or ever seriously intended to.
If your point was to say that goons play vicious heartless bastards within the rules of a space game on the internet, then I think that we have covered that territory already, and not a single goon denies it.
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Gallente
Old Farts
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Posted - 2007.06.03 00:16:00 -
[710]
I read all 25 pages while flying crap around in a freighter (did they have to be this slow? ).
Either it's a recruiting thread or the OP is a serious attention ho or trying to educate the congenitally moronic about goons.
I know goons are allies of my mob but personally I've never even seen one yet. For such a boogieman I'd have expected to pass a few by now. I can see people reading this and wanting to join them though.
The only part of the recent rubbish that I found wrong is that any player (regardless which side) can get a dev on a chat system instantly and provoke a response. They need to knock that on the head. Regardless of what percentage of their employees are honest, the t20 incident taints them. They will keep finding themselves between a rock and a hard place till they clean this up.
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Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.03 00:30:00 -
[711]
Very nice posts, thanks for sharing all that.
And BoB are the bad guys, but they're bad guys you can respect.
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Gallente
Qalandar
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Posted - 2007.06.03 00:47:00 -
[712]
It is irrelevant whether it is all of the Goon membership acting in such a puerile manner. It is irrelevant whether there are those Goons who intellectualize away the filth that permeates the Goons as using said renders it harmless. (Ever heard of "War is Peace" - 1984?) The fact is the vast majority revel in this contagion, and the ability to abuse this virus has long been on show in and out of this game.
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GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 01:22:00 -
[713]
Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 03/06/2007 01:25:30
Originally by: Locus Bey
It is irrelevant whether it is all of the Goon membership acting in such a puerile manner. It is irrelevant whether there are those Goons who intellectualize away the filth that permeates the Goons as using said renders it harmless. (Ever heard of "War is Peace" - 1984?) The fact is the vast majority revel in this contagion, and the ability to abuse this virus has long been on show in and out of this game.
"Goonfleet has always been at war with Goonwaffe"
Attention all goons! We have been upgraded from degenerate puerile viral filth to degenerate puerile viral brainwashed filth. Remember to act accordingly.
Originally by: Gariuys
And BoB are the bad guys, but they're bad guys you can respect.
Respect? Clearly they are not trying hard enough. I sneer at their lack of moral infortitude.
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Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.06.03 01:29:00 -
[714]
Originally by: Elenath
It's still astounding to see the Goons defending these actions. It's also amazing to see people so free of critical thinking skills that they are not able to seperate fact from fiction.
Is CCP free of blame? No, probably not. It's obvious that their policies regarding GM/player interaction needs some review... and I'd suspect that they're addressing it now.
Ignoring the legal comments which are just silly, this post sums it up well.
But the goonswarm are just sheep, and far worse fanbois than the rest of the eve community. This is why so many other goons are shunning them. It's a bunch of brainless whiny fanbois who take this way too seriously and need to get a life, which is ironically what they spend so much of their time denouncing.
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Gallente
Qalandar
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Posted - 2007.06.03 01:31:00 -
[715]
Originally by: Svaha Norbu
Originally by: Locus Bey
It is irrelevant whether it is all of the Goon membership acting in such a puerile manner. It is irrelevant whether there are those Goons who intellectualize away the filth that permeates the Goons as using said renders it harmless. (Ever heard of "War is Peace" - 1984?) The fact is the vast majority revel in this contagion, and the ability to abuse this virus has long been on show in and out of this game.
"Goonfleet has always been at war with Goonwaffe"
Attention all goons! We have been upgraded from degenerate puerile viral filth to degenerate puerile viral brainwashed filth. Remember to act accordingly.
I never said brainwashed. I pointed to the "War is Peace" reference to suggest that:
1. revelling in such puerile activity took the ability for many impressionable individuals to distinguish from them,
2. enabled those with such beliefs to propogate them,
3. those with 1/2 a brain to intellectualize it away,
4. those in positions of power exploit it.
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GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 01:47:00 -
[716]
Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 03/06/2007 01:50:29
Originally by: Locus Bey
Edited by: Locus Bey on 03/06/2007 01:33:37
Originally by: Svaha Norbu
Originally by: Locus Bey
It is irrelevant whether it is all of the Goon membership acting in such a puerile manner. It is irrelevant whether there are those Goons who intellectualize away the filth that permeates the Goons as using said renders it harmless. (Ever heard of "War is Peace" - 1984?) The fact is the vast majority revel in this contagion, and the ability to abuse this virus has long been on show in and out of this game.
"Goonfleet has always been at war with Goonwaffe"
Attention all goons! We have been upgraded from degenerate puerile viral filth to degenerate puerile viral brainwashed filth. Remember to act accordingly.
I never said brainwashed. Stop abdicating responsibility. I pointed to the "War is Peace" reference to suggest that:
1. revelling in such puerile activity took the ability for many impressionable individuals to distinguish from them,
2. enabled those with such beliefs to propogate them,
3. those with 1/2 a brain to intellectualize it away,
4. those in positions of power exploit it.
So what you mean is that we are brainwashed by puerile behaviour and exploited by our leadership, and it's not because we have fun being puerile?
That's pretty interesting, but I'm afraid that thought isn't approved by dear leader. Boy do I love dear leader. (Please don't send me back to the spyad re-education camp)
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the Gentleman Loser
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Posted - 2007.06.03 01:52:00 -
[717]
Wow I got all the way too the end of this thread and didnt even get an overseer spawn. Overall I reckon the OP should have just left. But Eve loves Drama. Space Opera anyone :)
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Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.03 02:18:00 -
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GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.03 02:48:00 -
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Trying to claim you're a goonswarm director because you were a director of LoveU is like trying to say you're a professional athelete after winning an under seven's 50m track event.
I agree completely with the OP. Goons make this games fun for themselves. It is a terrible thing to play EVE and enjoy it as a game rather than treating it as a second life. I think we need to make a public respose claiming as much, it just isn't right for us to expect to come to this game and play it as a game.
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Minmatar
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.03 02:53:00 -
[720]
"I make it no secret: I make posts. Yes, mostly they are based on false logic or pure assumption, hell, sometimes I just decide to make the content up. The point is that this is a forum, it's not about being right, it's about trying to post as many points in a single thread as I possibly can in order to batter people into either siding with me or ignoring my posts. That is glimpse into my life." - Thanos Draicon
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Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.03 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: eleuthereus on 03/06/2007 02:56:31
Originally by: Tendril Zaknefin
Trying to claim you're a goonswarm director because you were a director of LoveU is like trying to say you're a professional athelete after winning an under seven's 50m track event.
You guys must have gotten a memo to just keep repeating this objection until somebody paid attention. Guess you missed my many explanations, including the very first explanatory qualifier in the OP: "I am a Goon -- a director, no less (specifically, for Ultrapolite Socialites, a corp in Goonswarm)."
GOON corp, director in said GOON corp, member of Goonswarm = Goon Director. That is a legit descriptive term. There is another definition of a director of Goonswarm that relates to a whole different, MUCH higher tier of leadership that is Alliance-wide. I never claimed or implied to be in this Alliance-Tier level of leadership or directorship. But nice try.
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Minmatar
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.03 03:25:00 -
[722]
Edited by: Tendril Zaknefin on 03/06/2007 03:28:17
Originally by: eleuthereus
But nice try.
Thanks! Sometimes it's hard to post in an internet forum. You feel as if people might not take you seriously or they might come down on the points you made with unjust responses. I find it really helpful when people are willing to come out and thank people for trying, or give them praise for effort. It really makes me feel part of a constructive community.
In the same vein I'd like to take the time to thankyou, Eleuthereus, for this initial post. While it is lengthly and in my opinion mislead it gave the forums something to read, it may not be of a high standard but at least you've given it a try and that's the real point of the internet. Bravo for your efforts and I'm sure next time you will feel more confident with your posting having read through the constructive advice given in this thread.
Have a great day. Thanks again for trying with the OP.
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Posted - 2007.06.03 04:00:00 -
[723]
Originally by: Tendril Zaknefin
Edited by: Tendril Zaknefin on 03/06/2007 03:19:00
"I make it no secret: I make posts. Yes, mostly they are based on false logic or pure assumption, hell, sometimes I just decide to make the content up. The point is that this is a forum, it's not about being right, it's about trying to post as many points in a single thread as I possibly can in order to batter people into either siding with me or ignoring my posts. That is a glimpse into my life." - Thanos Draicon
So are you implying that the individual in my signature did not state those comments?
The easiest way to 'fix' Eve is to ruin CCP's credibility in the industry, and totally BEEP ruin the launch and their White Wolf RPG by epic degrees of BEEP and griefing."
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nickky01
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.06.03 04:02:00 -
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goons literally feed on posts like this
i lol'd to
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Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 04:22:00 -
[725]
Originally by: Adm Tecumseh
They have a leadership core that is totally and completely rotten. The top of this pyramid scam has bilked billions of isk from the players, they have scammed the very people they claim to champion. They are corrupt and full of hate. They are racist, bigotted, and homophobic. The comments that are made are often repeated by much newer goons thinking that they are jokes, but they are not. They champion the use of crude pictures such as Will Smith stomping down the World Trade Centre or a man punching a woman as they enter court in their signatures.
Dude, are you serious? That's comedy gold.
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Locus Bey
Gallente
Qalandar
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Posted - 2007.06.03 04:23:00 -
[726]
Originally by: Tendril Zaknefin
Edited by: Tendril Zaknefin on 03/06/2007 03:28:17
Originally by: eleuthereus
But nice try.
In the same vein I'd like to take the time to thankyou, Eleuthereus, for this initial post. While it is lengthly and in my opinion mislead it gave the forums something to read, it may not be of a high standard but at least you've given it a try and that's the real point of the internet. Bravo for your efforts and I'm sure next time you will feel more confident with your posting having read through the constructive advice given in this thread.
Have a great day. Thanks again for trying with the OP.
My statement that only 1 Goon so far has had anything substantial to say still stands.
You can't defeat the points, so you try and belittle his whole post? I mean really You really think anyone would read that response and take that for a rebuttal?
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Gallente
Qalandar
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Posted - 2007.06.03 04:32:00 -
[727]
Originally by: Svaha Norbu
Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 03/06/2007 01:50:29
Originally by: Locus Bey
Edited by: Locus Bey on 03/06/2007 01:33:37
Originally by: Svaha Norbu
Originally by: Locus Bey
It is irrelevant whether it is all of the Goon membership acting in such a puerile manner. It is irrelevant whether there are those Goons who intellectualize away the filth that permeates the Goons as using said renders it harmless. (Ever heard of "War is Peace" - 1984?) The fact is the vast majority revel in this contagion, and the ability to abuse this virus has long been on show in and out of this game.
"Goonfleet has always been at war with Goonwaffe"
Attention all goons! We have been upgraded from degenerate puerile viral filth to degenerate puerile viral brainwashed filth. Remember to act accordingly.
I never said brainwashed. Stop abdicating responsibility. I pointed to the "War is Peace" reference to suggest that:
1. revelling in such puerile activity took the ability for many impressionable individuals to distinguish from them,
2. enabled those with such beliefs to propogate them,
3. those with 1/2 a brain to intellectualize it away,
4. those in positions of power exploit it.
So what you mean is that we are brainwashed by puerile behaviour and exploited by our leadership, and it's not because we have fun being puerile?
That's pretty interesting, but I'm afraid that thought isn't approved by dear leader. Boy do I love dear leader. (Please don't send me back to the spyad re-education camp)
No, I'm saying sinking to the lowest common denominator shows a real lack of maturity. A willingness to degrade others for ones own benefit and gratification is cheap, and shows a lack of real self worth. And to resort to such means in and out of this game speaks volumes of the type of people who lead the Goons.
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Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Locus Bey
No, I'm saying sinking to the lowest common denominator shows a real lack of maturity. A willingness to degrade others for ones own benefit and gratification is cheap, and shows a lack of real self worth. And to resort to such means in and out of this game speaks volumes of the type of people who lead the Goons.
Youre like one of those conservatives that protests outside an eminem concert because he uses the word**** in his lyrics and talks about degrading women, when you dont realize the fact that rappers had been using**** and talking about degrading women for almost 2 decades before he even showed up on raps radar. We arent the first alliance that griefs and we wont be the last. If your problem is with griefing itself then quit playing a PVP mmo.
We dont talk in local and until recently would get fined for even making a post on this forum. You dont know jack about anyone in our alliance or what our motivations are.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 04:45:00 -
[729]
Originally by: Locus Bey
No, I'm saying sinking to the lowest common denominator shows a real lack of maturity. A willingness to degrade others for ones own benefit and gratification is cheap, and shows a lack of real self worth. And to resort to such means in and out of this game speaks volumes of the type of people who lead the Goons.
Back to what I said earlier, if you find getting blown up to be degrading then maybe you're taking this a little too personally.
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Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.06.03 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Thanos Draicon
Originally by: Tendril Zaknefin
Edited by: Tendril Zaknefin on 03/06/2007 03:19:00
"I make it no secret: I make posts. Yes, mostly they are based on false logic or pure assumption, hell, sometimes I just decide to make the content up. The point is that this is a forum, it's not about being right, it's about trying to post as many points in a single thread as I possibly can in order to batter people into either siding with me or ignoring my posts. That is a glimpse into my life." - Thanos Draicon
So are you implying that the individual in my signature did not state those comments?
I'm failing to see what part of those comments is incorrect or in fact represents the Goons have an interest in damaging (1) EVE or (2) CCP.
In fact, yet again, it would seem they imply the Goons love EVE, want it to be better and are frustrated with the fact CCP seems more concerned about doing as little as possible while sliding into working on WOD.
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Locus Bey
Gallente
Qalandar
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Posted - 2007.06.03 05:53:00 -
[731]
Originally by: Guint McBass
Originally by: Locus Bey
No, I'm saying sinking to the lowest common denominator shows a real lack of maturity. A willingness to degrade others for ones own benefit and gratification is cheap, and shows a lack of real self worth. And to resort to such means in and out of this game speaks volumes of the type of people who lead the Goons.
Youre like one of those conservatives that protests outside an eminem concert because he uses the word**** in his lyrics and talks about degrading women, when you dont realize the fact that rappers had been using**** and talking about degrading women for almost 2 decades before he even showed up on raps radar. We arent the first alliance that griefs and we wont be the last. If your problem is with griefing itself then quit playing a PVP mmo.
We dont talk in local and until recently would get fined for even making a post on this forum. You dont know jack about anyone in our alliance or what our motivations are.
Is it that you and Snowden can't read, or you deliberately reply off topic? Your analogy is hardly relevant to my post, so what can I say?
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Posted - 2007.06.03 05:59:00 -
[732]
Originally by: James Duar
Originally by: Thanos Draicon
Originally by: Tendril Zaknefin
Edited by: Tendril Zaknefin on 03/06/2007 03:19:00
"I make it no secret: I make posts. Yes, mostly they are based on false logic or pure assumption, hell, sometimes I just decide to make the content up. The point is that this is a forum, it's not about being right, it's about trying to post as many points in a single thread as I possibly can in order to batter people into either siding with me or ignoring my posts. That is a glimpse into my life." - Thanos Draicon
So are you implying that the individual in my signature did not state those comments?
I'm failing to see what part of those comments is incorrect or in fact represents the Goons have an interest in damaging (1) EVE or (2) CCP.
In fact, yet again, it would seem they imply the Goons love EVE, want it to be better and are frustrated with the fact CCP seems more concerned about doing as little as possible while sliding into working on WOD.
I'll add the rest of the quote for your convenience:
Quote:
The easiest way to 'fix' Eve is to ruin CCP's credibility in the industry, and totally ******* ruin the launch and first few months of their White Wolf RPG by epic degrees of****gotry and griefing, so that the only thing they have left is Eve. Eventually someone will see them as a profitable takeover target, and a company that isn't run by ******s will buy them out. The headquarters for game development will be moved to a country that isn't populated by unprofessional ice nig***s.
CCP has created a truly unique, ahead-of-its-time game and Goonswarm intends to ruin the company because of their personal beliefs. Combined with their stated motto of having as much fun as possible at the expense of everyone else, I'd say that accounts to ruining EVE.
I don't know about you, but I can't think of a company that has been more forthcoming and upfront with their player base - provide an example of a better-handled event similar to this if you disagree. Unless you think that Sony Online Entertainment might do a better job?
The easiest way to 'fix' Eve is to ruin CCP's credibility in the industry, and totally BEEP ruin the launch and their White Wolf RPG by epic degrees of BEEP and griefing."
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Posted - 2007.06.03 06:57:00 -
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Whine whine whine. I'm so tired of a bunch of nerds complaining of "meta-gamers" (there's life outside the internet??) and Goons ruining their little space paradise of hard-work and little corporations. Wake up, smell the roses, and realize the world is a dirty place and that there is corruption, pirates, scandals everywhere. From the World Bank to CCP to BoB to Goonswarm, you can be sure whereever there's people, there are "bad" things bound to happen.
So it's time some of you wake up from your little fantasy. Or you can go off to play "that other MMORPG" and level-grind and lose nothing to PVP - pure equality and impossible of corruption and politics. Seriously, how can you play a game called EVE and complain about politics? Get some perspective, seriously.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Locus Bey
Is it that you and Snowden can't read, or you deliberately reply off topic?
No, it's that your whole point is built on a false premise, that killing and being killed in a PvP-heavy videogame is degrading. I've seen ships holding everything I own explode in flames on several occasions, and I still can't relate to that idea in the slightest. You're trying to shoehorn all sorts of moral and psychological assumptions into places where they just don't fit.
I have never been degraded by a videogame and if you have, maybe you're the one who has a problem with his self worth.
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Locus Bey
Gallente
Qalandar
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Posted - 2007.06.03 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Snowden Vel
Edited by: Snowden Vel on 03/06/2007 07:23:09
Originally by: Locus Bey
Is it that you and Snowden can't read, or you deliberately reply off topic?
No, it's that your whole point is built on a false premise, that killing and being killed in a PvP-heavy videogame is inherently degrading. I've seen ships holding everything I own explode in flames on several occasions while getting smacked in local, and I still can't relate to that idea in the slightest. You're trying to shoehorn all sorts of moral and psychological assumptions into places where they just don't fit.
I have never been degraded by a videogame and if you have, maybe you're the one who has a problem with his self worth.
No, that wasn't my point at all Read back a few pages...
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GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Locus Bey
No, that wasn't my point at all Read back a few pages...
I wasn't arguing with what you said a few pages back, I was arguing with what you said on this page in particular, the "lowest common denominator" post. If you expect me to keep track of all the ridiculous crap you've said in this thread you're going to have to make an index or something.
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Locus Bey
Gallente
Qalandar
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Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Locus Bey
No, that wasn't my point at all Read back a few pages...
I wasn't arguing with what you said a few pages back, I was arguing with what you said on this page in particular, the "lowest common denominator" post. If you expect me to keep track of all the ridiculous crap you've said in this thread you're going to have to make an index or something.
Well my comment on this page was about the same thing i've been talking about in previous posts. It's not my fault you don't read properly and have only 1 argument.
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GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 08:13:00 -
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Edited by: Svaha Norbu on 03/06/2007 08:16:05
Originally by: Locus Bey
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Locus Bey
No, that wasn't my point at all Read back a few pages...
I wasn't arguing with what you said a few pages back, I was arguing with what you said on this page in particular, the "lowest common denominator" post. If you expect me to keep track of all the ridiculous crap you've said in this thread you're going to have to make an index or something.
Well my comment on this page was about the same thing i've been talking about in previous posts. It's not my fault you don't read properly and have only 1 argument.
Why don't you tell us what your real argument is then?
To me, It sounds to me exactly like the same tired whining cloaked in pseudo-intellectualism that we have all heard 10,000 times before that boils down to: "I disapprove of the way you have fun, as it offends my delicate sensibilities as a morally upstanding internet spaceship driver"
Guess what. We don't care what you think just so long as your ship explodes real purdy. It's pretty funny when you get all excited and blustered about losing your precious collection of bytes on a some server in the UK too.
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Royaldo
Gallente
KVA Noble Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.03 08:15:00 -
[739]
Originally by: HUGO DRAX
Thanks for posting this, They do not represent the kind of player I would want to associate with. They should go back to WoW. It seems like this would be the best place for them or Xbox360 live games.
back to wow... thats what you came up with..
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.03 08:33:00 -
[740]
mmm not much to say really things get blown up in internet gmes
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.06.03 08:35:00 -
[741]
Originally by: Thanos Draicon
CCP has created a truly unique, ahead-of-its-time game and Goonswarm intends to ruin the company because of their personal beliefs. Combined with their stated motto of having as much fun as possible at the expense of everyone else, I'd say that accounts to ruining EVE.
I don't know about you, but I can't think of a company that has been more forthcoming and upfront with their player base - provide an example of a better-handled event similar to this if you disagree. Unless you think that Sony Online Entertainment might do a better job?
I think based on recent actions and choices almost anyone who actually understood the idea of EVE would be able to make it work better. CCP have demonstrated - repeatedly - that they really don't despite "playing on Tranq just so they know how the game is working" which is the biggest load of BS they keep using.
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Royaldo
Gallente
KVA Noble Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.03 08:49:00 -
[742]
Originally by: Moonlight Express
Edited by: Moonlight Express on 01/06/2007 15:10:38
Yea, you got to love the goons, especially if you are poor. You have a bunch of goon layers doing a world a favor and become public defenders to help defend the poor. All that racist behavior and bigotry does not mean a thing when a minority defender stands in front of a judge while being defended by a goon lawyer.
They are doing those poor minority and *** people a favor by helping them in to those nice, clean cells. Almost makes me want to join SomethingAwful and resist arrest next time I go out, so I can be cool like the goons. IÆm sure a goon lawyer will be there to save me. ThatÆs whom I want to defend me.
I can hear it now. æYour honor. This ******* *** cop hit my clientÆs fist with his face. IÆm pretty sure that this ***, ***** cop has you on MSN. If you convict my client, I will have my very respectable humanitarian organization, SomethingAwful community elect you out of office by flooding every news organization with undeniable evidence of your bias and corruptionÆ
That will show them. Go goons, go. See you in NOL or in court, whichever comes first.
1.post with your main?
2.goons make bad jokes about people. not like anyone EVER did that in bob? like the chat logs from azn local a certain homo and hes comments.. nup never happend.
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Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.03 09:53:00 -
[743]
Edited by: Anille Kole on 03/06/2007 09:53:04
Originally by: Royaldo
Originally by: Moonlight Express
Edited by: Moonlight Express on 01/06/2007 15:10:38
Yea, you got to love the goons, especially if you are poor. You have a bunch of goon layers doing a world a favor and become public defenders to help defend the poor. All that racist behavior and bigotry does not mean a thing when a minority defender stands in front of a judge while being defended by a goon lawyer.
They are doing those poor minority and *** people a favor by helping them in to those nice, clean cells. Almost makes me want to join SomethingAwful and resist arrest next time I go out, so I can be cool like the goons. IÆm sure a goon lawyer will be there to save me. ThatÆs whom I want to defend me.
I can hear it now. æYour honor. This ******* *** cop hit my clientÆs fist with his face. IÆm pretty sure that this ***, ***** cop has you on MSN. If you convict my client, I will have my very respectable humanitarian organization, SomethingAwful community elect you out of office by flooding every news organization with undeniable evidence of your bias and corruptionÆ
That will show them. Go goons, go. See you in NOL or in court, whichever comes first.
1.post with your main?
2.goons make bad jokes about people. not like anyone EVER did that in bob? like the chat logs from azn local a certain homo and hes comments.. nup never happend.
Actually, I think he's made a wonderful metaphor. 8/10 for the satire.
1. You, on the other hand, have denied logical reasoning because you don't know who he is.
2. I'm sure I could find logs from Goons in local that would get me permabanned from this forum if I linked them; I know I've read logs like that before. Can you say the same about BoB without resorting to a one-time event or lie?
Props to Locus Bey as well, who keeps having to fight off the same half-logic responses. It's really annoying when you have about 10 people fervently posting against you, all following the same strategy of twisting your post into something it isn't, and then doing the opposite and calling you on it. I'm glad all I had to deal with was Snowden Vel.
Originally by: Tendril Zaknefin
"I make it no secret: I make posts. Yes, mostly they are based on false logic or pure assumption, hell, sometimes I just decide to make the content up. The point is that this is a forum, it's not about being right, it's about trying to post as many points in a single thread as I possibly can in order to batter people into either siding with me or ignoring my posts. That is a glimpse into my life." - Average GoonSwarm EVE-O poster
Fix't for ya.
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Locus Bey
No, I'm saying sinking to the lowest common denominator shows a real lack of maturity. A willingness to degrade others for ones own benefit and gratification is cheap, and shows a lack of real self worth. And to resort to such means in and out of this game speaks volumes of the type of people who lead the Goons.
Back to what I said earlier, if you find getting blown up to be degrading then maybe you're taking this a little too personally.
Wow. Huuuuuge jump here.... Uh, he doesn't like that your group relies on shock humor and essentially the crudest possible satire, so he therefore does not appreciate getting killed in EVE? What the hell is this trying to prove? Hm... wasn't someone trying to disprove me based on using "straw men arguments" before? I think they need to refer to your post here for a better example of a straw man, just for future reference.(Although...they probably know already, since they used the straw men accusations AS a straw man argument...)
Maybe I'll post again later, but I don't usually get responses to my posts when I stop letting them twist the arguments easily.[In Goon-related threads, anyway.]
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Nymos
Beyond Divinity Inc
Blind Beavers
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Posted - 2007.06.03 10:06:00 -
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Remedial went to jail? hillarious.
thanks to the OP, good read, nicely written.
quick, everyone hop on the anti goon bandwaggon lead by Sir Lolle :)
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 10:07:00 -
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I just don't see who's getting degraded here, so I don't know where to start looking.
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Sorcerror
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Posted - 2007.06.03 10:28:00 -
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This guy just have poor understanding of fact all goon "asholery" is just comedy, and thats what differs them from others, while all do same (pirating, being *******s, fighting others) , only goons openly confirm that.
They are good people btw , with weird, but fun and open sence humor beavis-&-butthead style.
And well, this thread is feeding goons, right ... just more another thread made by plain and square-headed person.
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MADMAT
Minmatar
Duragon Pioneer Group
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 11:07:00 -
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Im a so called "pubbie" in goonswarm and I have nothing negative what so ever to say about these guys, infact the whole time since DPG joined GS they have been nothing but helpful balh blah blah ...
IMO this guy joined when the heat was on, full scale events were happening and the one thing we can all say about goons are, we are passionate. Things are said and done in the heat of the moment and if you want to get all righteous over a pc game, do us a favor quit eve and put you $9.95/ month towards helping some 3rd world country, then we might give a **** about what you think.
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Locus Bey
Gallente
Qalandar
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Posted - 2007.06.03 11:41:00 -
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Why don't you tell us what your real argument is then?
To me, It sounds to me exactly like the same tired whining cloaked in pseudo-intellectualism that we have all heard 10,000 times before that boils down to: "I disapprove of the way you have fun, as it offends my delicate sensibilities as a morally upstanding internet spaceship driver"
Guess what. We don't care what you think just so long as your ship explodes real purdy. It's pretty funny when you get all excited and blustered about losing your precious collection of bytes on a some server in the UK too.
Yes you do offend "my delicate sensibilities as a morally upstanding internet spaceship driver." Racism, sexism, and a juvenile lack of conscience, yes they p*** me off. They have no place on the forums, and shouldn't in the game. The disingenuous postings here to cover over the fact that the Goons are out to wreck EvE, whether through calculation, or general wanton idiocy, deserve a repudiation.
And if after much protestation on your behalf you still say you don't care, either you are proving you lack the basic and fundamental intellectual and emotional prowess to take a long hard look at your behaviour, or your making admission of your desire to kill EvE.
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SFShootme
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2007.06.03 11:42:00 -
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Nice post bro, enjoyed reading it... Alltough i couldn't agree on all fronts.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.03 12:07:00 -
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It was a clear, level-headed post does does not demonize either side of the conflict. Overall your writing style was good too, just academic enough for me to read it as fast as I read undergraduate papers.
Since most of the Goons seem to agree with your assesment of their character (and their posts seem to support your claims) and your plea to CCP to remedie their record low confidence was so well played out. . . 10/10.
Oh, when you find your next corp, please tell us why and how you came to that.
yours,
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Earthan
Gallente
The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters
Breidablik
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Posted - 2007.06.03 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: Earthan on 03/06/2007 12:43:42
nice read, respect for you el.
The goon stuff is pretty shocking to me.
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Renosha Argaron
Caldari
The Celestial Free Miner's
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Posted - 2007.06.03 12:42:00 -
[752]
I have to say eleuthereus, it was a very good read and a very well thought out post....also well executed,...im still very sceptical of CCP and the latest scandal brought to light....but all that aside.....i think you have shown that not all 0.0 pilots are a..holes and some do actualy have some credibility and honer.
Regards
Renosha
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nymos
Remedial went to jail? hillarious.
thanks to the OP, good read, nicely written.
quick, everyone hop on the anti goon bandwaggon lead by Sir Lolle :)
You're my new favorite poster.
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 12:59:00 -
[754]
Originally by: Earthan
Edited by: Earthan on 03/06/2007 12:43:42
nice read, respect for you el.
The goon stuff is pretty shocking to me.
Believe me, no one was more shocked than I was.
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 13:25:00 -
[755]
Originally by: Rslorien
good post eleuthereus... its just a bit longer then the normal ones around here
i just dont understand one thing about Goons... if you guys dont care about the post or lossing this specific player why all spams about it? if you dont care about this and all the other things in eve just ignore it and have the suposed fun doing that or whatever you like to to...
about you guys acting like jerks and saying you can only have fun beeing it... imo that make you guys look like a grp of 10 yrs old kids that dunno what to do and just folow what the older guy says even if that one acts like a 12yrs old.
btw "Sticking feathers up your a** does not make you a chicken", so stop thinking you are the ones that know what is right and wrong in eve, leave that "judgement" to the major eve community ... the one that normaly dont act like a 10 yrs old and truly enjoys playing the game.
I'm late, but uhm... Stop telling us how to enjoy something? What you don't seem to understand is that we enjoy every level of what we do, including the meta-gaming aspect (i.e. the forums), even if they are a rotten cesspool. As far as leaving judgment (<-- that is the correct spelling) to the "major EvE community", no thanks, we should make our own judgments and decide for ourselves what is right and wrong for us. |
Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Terket
Originally by: Rslorien
good post eleuthereus... its just a bit longer then the normal ones around here
i just dont understand one thing about Goons... if you guys dont care about the post or lossing this specific player why all spams about it? if you dont care about this and all the other things in eve just ignore it and have the suposed fun doing that or whatever you like to to...
about you guys acting like jerks and saying you can only have fun beeing it... imo that make you guys look like a grp of 10 yrs old kids that dunno what to do and just folow what the older guy says even if that one acts like a 12yrs old.
btw "Sticking feathers up your a** does not make you a chicken", so stop thinking you are the ones that know what is right and wrong in eve, leave that "judgement" to the major eve community ... the one that normaly dont act like a 10 yrs old and truly enjoys playing the game.
I'm late, but uhm... Stop telling us how to enjoy something? What you don't seem to understand is that we enjoy every level of what we do, including the meta-gaming aspect (i.e. the forums), even if they are a rotten cesspool. As far as leaving judgment (<-- that is the correct spelling) to the "major EvE community", no thanks, we should make our own judgments and decide for ourselves what is right and wrong for us.
I should clarify here for those that like to draw conclusions based on their own motives. When I say "we" I mean those of us posting in this thread. There is no directive to "****-up" EVE-O, it's just that our posting ban was lifted. The community that we all (or mostly) hail from to begin with was a forum. So, logically you could draw the conclusion that we like to post on internet forums.
As far as this specific topic? Well, the reason I'm posting here is that I still feel eleuthereus' true motive hasn't, and isn't going to be revealed, but I'm not about to resort to ad hominem, either.
OT: hay~ stoffer
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Earthan
Gallente
The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters
Breidablik
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Posted - 2007.06.03 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Anille Kole
I've seen pictures of you guys doing organized raids of nothing but Gallente frigates with as many drones as possible(and they bumped, too), Goon shuttle scans showing nothing but massive amounts of BPs(and not labeled, just random things), and untold amounts of fofo'ing. So, I guess it's all up to whatever side people want to believe. I can't argue with the numbers, really, because your alliance is so large, but you guys understand the limits too, and it's an easy conclusion if you guys crash a system, that you did it on purpose.
You're seriously counting VCBee and Velator ops as horrible exploits? Those are just a fun way to blow of some steam, it's not like 80 Velators is any real threat. Lag has ruined our chances just as often as it's helped us, nobody enjoys huge module activation delays and your ship handling like it's in molasses. As for the fofos, that's a post-battle victory cry and always has been, has never been proven to cause real lag, and by the time it happens the fight's over and it's not going to make a difference even if it did.
What's really ridiculous about all this is that there are enough really legitimate reasons to dislike goons without resorting to all the bitterly personal exploit accusations. Putting aside whether ele is right about us being a bunch of neanderthals, yes, goons love offensive humor, yes, goons sometimes pirate, yes, goons sometimes scam. Those who don't have still thrown their lots in with the rest of us. If you don't like pirates, I understand that, and that's perfectly reasonable. But it's ridiculous that some people can't separate the game from life, which is what people are failing to do when they resort to calling us a bunch of cheats and ten year olds. You're letting your distaste bleed beyond the reasonable boundaries of the game.
Obviously, some people are going to keep coming back to the threadnaught as evidence that goons are taking things out of game, but as ele has said, that was a good faith effort (and Anille, there were ignored petitions and attempted escalations prior to it hitting the forums) to ensure that the devs were staying honest.
Just my 2 cents : I wasnt there to see it myself but when GOONs attacked Norad, poeple were saying GOONS use exploits in fights , creating lag etc.
So if everybody says it maybe there is a grain of truth in it...
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Terket
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 14:14:00 -
[758]
Originally by: Earthan
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Anille Kole
I've seen pictures of you guys doing organized raids of nothing but Gallente frigates with as many drones as possible(and they bumped, too), Goon shuttle scans showing nothing but massive amounts of BPs(and not labeled, just random things), and untold amounts of fofo'ing. So, I guess it's all up to whatever side people want to believe. I can't argue with the numbers, really, because your alliance is so large, but you guys understand the limits too, and it's an easy conclusion if you guys crash a system, that you did it on purpose.
You're seriously counting VCBee and Velator ops as horrible exploits? Those are just a fun way to blow of some steam, it's not like 80 Velators is any real threat. Lag has ruined our chances just as often as it's helped us, nobody enjoys huge module activation delays and your ship handling like it's in molasses. As for the fofos, that's a post-battle victory cry and always has been, has never been proven to cause real lag, and by the time it happens the fight's over and it's not going to make a difference even if it did.
What's really ridiculous about all this is that there are enough really legitimate reasons to dislike goons without resorting to all the bitterly personal exploit accusations. Putting aside whether ele is right about us being a bunch of neanderthals, yes, goons love offensive humor, yes, goons sometimes pirate, yes, goons sometimes scam. Those who don't have still thrown their lots in with the rest of us. If you don't like pirates, I understand that, and that's perfectly reasonable. But it's ridiculous that some people can't separate the game from life, which is what people are failing to do when they resort to calling us a bunch of cheats and ten year olds. You're letting your distaste bleed beyond the reasonable boundaries of the game.
Obviously, some people are going to keep coming back to the threadnaught as evidence that goons are taking things out of game, but as ele has said, that was a good faith effort (and Anille, there were ignored petitions and attempted escalations prior to it hitting the forums) to ensure that the devs were staying honest.
Just my 2 cents : I wasnt there to see it myself but when GOONs attacked Norad, poeple were saying GOONS use exploits in fights , creating lag etc.
So if everybody says it maybe there is a grain of truth in it...
If the exploit is showing up in superior numbers, and deploying combat drones when we're... in combat, then color us guilty. You see, people are quick to point fingers on both sides of the issue. For example, our recent allegations of misconduct. We were quick to point fingers, and hey, we were wrong. If I'm not mistaken, there were a lot of people also pointing fingers with us. They were also technically wrong. So what grain of truth was there? (yes I know that not all of the issues were addressed, or whatever, but the lagsploit rubbish irritates me because I've been in GoonFleet for over a year now, and guys, if we're exploiting... why wasn't I told, and why aren't we winning?)
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Uuve Savisaalo
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2007.06.03 14:39:00 -
[759]
Originally by: Valrandir
Let's go clean EvE.
Kind of disturbing to hear you say this.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.03 14:52:00 -
[760]
Originally by: Terket
...true motive ...
Read OP. Other theories are welcome. Please provide documentation to support any alternative conclusions. Thanks in advance.
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Dracolich
North Star Networks
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.06.03 15:17:00 -
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I thoroughly enjoyed the initial post(s), and I have read through 21 pages out of 26.
I do think that several posters of GS behave in a manner that I myself find to be very childish mannerism - I don't know if it applied throughout the entirety of the alliance, but I take your word for it that it applies to a great deal of them. I do feel that Goons have changed alot for the worse, since my corp had its first contract against them about 1 year ago.
Maybe their gameplay has been "rotten" all along, considering others information concerning their playstyle in other games - I am simply not in the know. I do know different things that has seen the light of day, even months ago, which are ways that I find repulsive - others that are simply acts of immaturety.
Having said this, I feel the a great part of it is a masked attempt to appear objective in your views. At first glance it really does, but looking through many of your posts that have responded to this thread - in my PoV - reveals your real attempt - namely to thrash out at the GS alliance as a whole and not aimed at the leadership, and I understand why several GoonSwarmers feel "betrayed" - especially at these times.
I could cut and paste alot of quotes, where your mask is slipping and reveals that its engineering to appear like a person, who just portrays his life in 0.0 alliances, when in truth you revel in the limelight of feeling righteous(read: executioner), and have a vast part of the community behind you. If you want me to, I could do this for you, but I rather not.
As repulsive and immature you and I find GS' ways, I fail to understand why you remained there for over 100 days. If it would have been I, then I would have left shortly thereafter - considering your wording - I would have thought you would as well.
Maybe you have just changed your cause from your initial post, till the final say thus far. Maybe I just read too much into this, or maybe you are just a drama queen, maybe you are just jumping ship, and onto a bandwagon to avoid seeing your 3rd alliance' demise from within - maybe its a little of all.
I am not judging you as a false person, nor a rotten one, and I do appreciate your OP and your take on the matter. So forgive my claims, they are just how I have come to view the whole ordeal from start to finish.
Have fun in your leave from the wargasm.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.03 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: eleuthereus on 03/06/2007 15:53:15
Edited by: eleuthereus on 03/06/2007 15:52:05
Originally by: Dracolich
Having said this, I feel the a great part of it is a masked attempt to appear objective in your views.
Hmm. Interesting. In all honesty, I am not sure where you would see this. I tried very hard in my OP to indeed be objective as possible, and also, if you read some of the later posts -- i.e., pp 21-27, which I believe you have not yet read - I thnk you will see me defending Goons in general from some charges I could not substantiate with my time in Goons (plz check these newer posts out that you have missed).
Originally by: Dracolich
At first glance it really does, but looking through many of your posts that have responded to this thread - in my PoV - reveals your real attempt - namely to thrash out at the GS alliance as a whole and not aimed at the leadership, and I understand why several GoonSwarmers feel "betrayed" - especially at these times.
Again, I am a little befuddled by your take. I mention several times the State of Goonion speech, which is basically the leadershp's view of the Goon identity, then I included (even in the OP) enough documentation showing that this leadership view is bascially shared by most Goons -- yet I was still careful to make sure I didn't say ALL Goons.
Originally by: Dracolich
I could cut and paste alot of quotes, where your mask is slipping and reveals that its engineering to appear like a person, who just portrays his life in 0.0 alliances, when in truth you revel in the limelight of feeling righteous(read: executioner),
I am no executioner. There is no mask slipping. I have been transparent and I believe also fair to posters in this thread. Consequently, it does seem like I "have a vast part of the community behind" me.
Originally by: Dracolich
If you want me to, I could do this for you, but I rather not.
That's up to you. I don't claim to be infallible. I also do not even claim to be UTTERLY objective -- no one is. But what I have indeed tried to do is be as objective/fair as possible given my ongoing state as a ..... human being. We all have our flaws, weaknesses, blind spots, biases, experiences that have shaped us, etc. I have tried to do my best to present my experiences and observations, especially for noob or non-0.0 pilots.
Originally by: Dracolich
As repulsive and immature you and I find GS' ways, I fail to understand why you remained there for over 100 days. If it would have been I, then I would have left shortly thereafter - considering your wording - I would have thought you would as well.
This is a VERY good question. If you read my OP, you will find the answer to your question in my comments to my GS corp. Read that part again. I had no problems with Ultrapolite Socialites as my little corner of GS, a dedicated small group of good guys. I stayed because I liked them and felt bad about possibly leaving because, after all, I had been made recruitment director. Not in an oh-my-gosh-I-am-so-important way, but it did show a degree of trust placed in me as a leader on a small scale. And, well, I simply felt bad about possibly going, and I wanted to keep giving GS and me a chance to "fit." I always like to give everyone and everything as much of a chance as possible. And I knew that the State of Goonion, which was coming up, would answer all my questions for me. And after hearing that speech, I realized I could not be part of the swarm. I'm none of those things that define the identity of GS per leadership. Their identity is based on being "jerks," "a***holes," "cruel," "sadistic" griefers who "don't like" 90% of Eve and who have fun when griefing others, and who have no interest in being "nice." I realized after that speech that I HAD to leave. There was no hope. I left within 48 hours.
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Swinton Wolsoncroft
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dracolich
Maybe their gameplay has been "rotten" all along, considering others information concerning their playstyle in other games - I am simply not in the know. I do know different things that has seen the light of day, even months ago, which are ways that I find repulsive - others that are simply acts of immaturety.
Very well thought out, and, from what I myself have seen from the inside, more true than you can imagine. Repulsive is not even the word for it, i've only been with the company for a couple of weeks, but these things are real. Since I joined these spacemen, I've seen **** that'll turn you white.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.03 18:51:00 -
[764]
Originally by: Renosha Argaron
i think you have shown that not all 0.0 pilots are a..holes and some do actually have some credibility and honer.
yet another reason for the OP. I owuld heartily encourage empire pilots to not shy away from joining a corp/aloliance and venturing into 0.0. NOt all alliances in 0.0 are involved in this particular war/drama.
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IceForce
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Posted - 2007.06.03 19:16:00 -
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I had a tiny bit of respect about goons!!!! GONE!! till my end in eve or my wallet... i will see that u all die goons! PS: big wallet.
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Havlentia Castigatrix
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.03 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Havlentia Castigatrix on 03/06/2007 19:42:55
Could we have an 'ignore poster' button on the forums, please?
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Swinton Wolsoncroft
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 21:46:00 -
[767]
Originally by: Renosha Argaron
...i think you have shown that not all 0.0 pilots are a..holes and some do actualy have some credibility and boner.
Hey there, what is this?
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Scout656565
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Posted - 2007.06.03 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Scout656565 on 03/06/2007 22:07:08
As a newish player, I now have a question:
If BOB are cheaters with CCP help and Goons are childish 10 year olds, are there any decent alliances to join?
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Sir Drake
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Posted - 2007.06.03 22:17:00 -
[769]
Originally by: Scout656565
Edited by: Scout656565 on 03/06/2007 22:07:08
As a newish player, I now have a question:
If BOB are cheaters with CCP help and Goons are childish 10 year olds, are there any decent alliances to join?
Yeah, there are lots of other alliances around, best to chat with a few of them to get a feal for the ppl usually joining them.
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I like that.
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Anille Kole
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.03 22:19:00 -
[770]
Originally by: Scout656565
Edited by: Scout656565 on 03/06/2007 22:07:08
As a newish player, I now have a question:
If BOB are cheaters with CCP help and Goons are childish 10 year olds, are there any decent alliances to join?
One of the main points of this thread is not believing everything absolutely. BoB is not all cheaters(it only takes a few to get that image for a group), but Goons are not 100% childish 10 year olds(mainly only the loud ones). It'd probably be best if you searched for a group based on your own interests in game, or make a friend somewhere and join their corp, or start one with them.
This is assuming you aren't a newly-created troll-alt, of course. I'd like to stay positive, though, so I'll tell you straight up: I've found that the best results for a corporation come from joining friends and like-minded individuals(who you can become friends with easily). Even if the group has a lot of hassles, friendship is a big part of the game. It makes carebearing a lot less tedious, and makes combat a lot more fun(especially when they start the drunk kareoke during a gatecamp).
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Kiih
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.03 22:27:00 -
[771]
Edited by: Kiih on 03/06/2007 22:27:31
hey elethereus just chiming in to ask your thoughts on the subject of "replying to an argumentative post by picking out the three paragraphs out of eight that seem the easiest" but guess i might say something else too.
you and anille kole have consistently made the absolute worst posts in this thread. her's because of blatant blindfolded trolling and yours because of all the pseudo-intellect. i honestly don't care what alliance you're in or aren't, goonswarm has plenty of ******s with or without you, but it is quite funny how you think you have some moral fiber and that you think you'd be allowed to leave on good terms when what you do is this attempt of dirty laundry: public version which you even claim isn't sensation-seeking, after probably making a few friends in the alliance and overall being appreciated there. quite pathetic, i'd expect better from the most. you however uniformly have haters from both your ex-alliances, i've heard(didn't some ex-lv guy post here?) - not surprising you go after some from the third one too.
brosef if you think you or your posts are intelligent, try again. it took you three and a half months and a dozen posts on the subject in this very thread and still you haven't the slightest idea of what the hell the word "goon" refers to in the case of internet things. that's a better gauge on how perceptive, receptive and smart you are than the length of your essay that has little to do with anything you claim it does.
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Scout656565
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Posted - 2007.06.03 22:30:00 -
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While I agree that not all BOBs are cheaters and not all Goons are 10 year olds, in general birds of a feather do flock together.
Non cheating Corps would not allow cheaters and mature Corps would not allow childish punks.
I don't know how to get my picture up or choose an avatar anway.
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Ituralde
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.03 22:42:00 -
[773]
Nice read.
Sounds just as I guessed having heard the Goons on BE's downtime teamspeak chats.
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Cargo Hustler
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Posted - 2007.06.03 22:47:00 -
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To the OP - awesome post
I know that doesnt really add much to the discussion, but gratz where they are due, this detailed account fills in an awful lot of blanks and should be reccomended reading for anyone posting on the internal affairs threads.
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parrowdox
Caldari
Autaris INC
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Posted - 2007.06.03 23:22:00 -
[775]
good read
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Azheri
Amarr
The Unbeholden
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Posted - 2007.06.03 23:45:00 -
[776]
Originally by: Stradiot
Originally by: cal nereus
Edited by: cal nereus on 31/05/2007 22:06:59
Edited by: cal nereus on 31/05/2007 22:06:45
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We of the Goonswarm community are elitist intellectuals that have carefully woven our intricate internet pseudo-personas in order to offend the common sensibilities of the highly respectable average Eve player. We do so to highlight their own narrowminded and genuinely hateful or xenophobic tendencies. Furthermore,
Just because you claim to be an intellectual persona doesnt prove that you are one.
For the random file and rank soldiers of goonswarm:
Sticking feathers up your ass and claiming that you are a chicken doesnt mean that you are one.
Goonswarm National Anthem simple lyrics, kinda happy but yet tormenting
Im truly sorry if i have lost my temper in this response but when i read about you wanting to attack both ccp and whitewolf a bubble of pure hatred and sense of vengeance just burst inside of me.
Sincerely yours
Azheri or Asshairy as my ceo lovingly refers to me as
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Richard Aiel
Caldari
The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.06.04 02:44:00 -
[777]
Originally by: Sochin
Regardless, this forum needs more levelheaded posters like you, and less (Anti-BOD)"hysterical tinfoil type stuff".
lol
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.04 03:26:00 -
[778]
Originally by: Earthan
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Anille Kole
I've seen pictures of you guys doing organized raids of nothing but Gallente frigates with as many drones as possible(and they bumped, too), Goon shuttle scans showing nothing but massive amounts of BPs(and not labeled, just random things), and untold amounts of fofo'ing. So, I guess it's all up to whatever side people want to believe. I can't argue with the numbers, really, because your alliance is so large, but you guys understand the limits too, and it's an easy conclusion if you guys crash a system, that you did it on purpose.
You're seriously counting VCBee and Velator ops as horrible exploits? Those are just a fun way to blow of some steam, it's not like 80 Velators is any real threat. Lag has ruined our chances just as often as it's helped us, nobody enjoys huge module activation delays and your ship handling like it's in molasses. As for the fofos, that's a post-battle victory cry and always has been, has never been proven to cause real lag, and by the time it happens the fight's over and it's not going to make a difference even if it did.
What's really ridiculous about all this is that there are enough really legitimate reasons to dislike goons without resorting to all the bitterly personal exploit accusations. Putting aside whether ele is right about us being a bunch of neanderthals, yes, goons love offensive humor, yes, goons sometimes pirate, yes, goons sometimes scam. Those who don't have still thrown their lots in with the rest of us. If you don't like pirates, I understand that, and that's perfectly reasonable. But it's ridiculous that some people can't separate the game from life, which is what people are failing to do when they resort to calling us a bunch of cheats and ten year olds. You're letting your distaste bleed beyond the reasonable boundaries of the game.
Obviously, some people are going to keep coming back to the threadnaught as evidence that goons are taking things out of game, but as ele has said, that was a good faith effort (and Anille, there were ignored petitions and attempted escalations prior to it hitting the forums) to ensure that the devs were staying honest.
Just my 2 cents : I wasnt there to see it myself but when GOONs attacked Norad, poeple were saying GOONS use exploits in fights , creating lag etc.
So if everybody says it maybe there is a grain of truth in it...
there definately is. we have this thing called the "lolgin file" (like the login file lol", which is a programme that basically shut a system down. If we want to win something, we just activate it and something crashes. Not just that, we get your credit card numbers aswell
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.04 03:26:00 -
[779]
Originally by: Cargo Hustler
To the OP - awesome post
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Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.04 03:41:00 -
[780]
Originally by: Scout656565
Edited by: Scout656565 on 03/06/2007 22:07:08
As a newish player, I now have a question:
If BOB are cheaters with CCP help and Goons are childish 10 year olds, are there any decent alliances to join?
Join FIX. They don't cheat, insult people, or anything like that because Jesus wouldn't like it.
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eleuthereus
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.04 03:55:00 -
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Edited by: eleuthereus on 04/06/2007 03:54:36
Originally by: Dracolich
Considering the length of the OP, I would have thought also your take would have brought in the strengths of Goons; their will to sacrifice themselves for the greater good. Maybe this kind of stuff didn't happen in your 100+ days in Goon, thus you are excused not to let being mentioned.
u know, after I joined, after 77s fell, everything just sort of died in GS. So, you're right, I didn't see a lot of whatyou speak of. But in one of my posts I do believe I mention how incredible it was that GS had attained what they had attained so quickly in Eve.
Originally by: Dracolich
It often became - "I am right, and you are wrong - look how Eve agrees with me". IE "Answer me this - EVE is waiting".
Uhm, can't even remember what that last "EvE is waiting is in reference to. Wasn't that in response to something a GOon said that seemed to contradict something else? I'll have to go look at that. Bottom line: I gave my perceptions, and reasons for those perceptions. Anyone can disagree or not. They remain my perceptions based on what I saw and heard.
Originally by: Dracolich
You take on the suit of executioner or the righteous one, when you change from personal, yet objective views, to the voice of EVE.
I took the voice of EVE? Huh? I have no recollection of doing that! Goodness, I just seemed to say what many peopel in Eve agree with. But that has more to do with them, not me.
Originally by: Dracolich
I can relate, but none of the contents in "State of Goonian" could have come as a surprise to you?
Actually, it did, since that was the very first major OFFICIAL pronouncements I had heard that actually confirmed what I had seen so widespread in the swarm. I always hope for the best, and hoped that the speech would say something else. That maybe up until then, I WAS THE ONE misperceiving things. The speech confirned the opposite - so I left.
Originally by: Dracolich
Given the time and manner you have chosen to leave - I do think my claims aren't way off the mark
Well, that's your choice and you've obviously made up your mind - so there it is. fly safe. best of luck.
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Lenny Descartes
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.04 04:12:00 -
[782]
it always seemed like you didnt quite fit in. whatever, have fun. ill shoot you on site, even if its high sec.
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Dracolich
North Star Networks
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.06.04 04:35:00 -
[783]
Originally by: eleuthereus
Well, that's your choice and you've obviously made up your mind - so there it is. fly safe. best of luck.
Thanks for your opinions and assessments - and fly safe yourself.
My advice to you is: Stay in empire for a few months - let your heart guide you in chosing your next alliance. You seem like a good fellow, and I wish you the best.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.06.04 05:36:00 -
[784]
TBH, countdown to the next rant about whatever alliance he quits.
There are two types of people in EVE: those who quit and move on quietly, and those who decide to pronounce to the world about it.
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Locus Bey
Gallente
Qalandar
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Posted - 2007.06.04 05:47:00 -
[785]
Originally by: James Duar
TBH, countdown to the next rant about whatever alliance he quits.
There are two types of people in EVE: those who quit and move on quietly, and those who decide to pronounce to the world about it.
I don't remember him posting about ASCN or LV, do you?
And I just love your sagely construct of EvE types I think you have nothing with which to criticize or to criticize, true?
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Kaplanelle
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.04 07:21:00 -
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Edited by: Kaplanelle on 04/06/2007 07:21:55
Originally by: eleuthereus
Actually, it did, since that was the very first major OFFICIAL pronouncements I had heard that actually confirmed what I had seen so widespread in the swarm. I always hope for the best, and hoped that the speech would say something else. That maybe up until then, I WAS THE ONE misperceiving things. The speech confirned the opposite - so I left.
aahh... so you took the words of a highly frustrated Mittani, who'd already resigned before the speach, and freaked out believing that was 100% the way things were going. Did you, perchance, read/hear previous SotGs? Rem's were pretty fire and brimstonish, too. They also didn't usually reflect how things inevitably came to pass.
If you were concerned with the way things were going, did you have a heart to heart with Lenny before ditching? (if you said so, sorry :effort:) If not, something to consider with your next home should you find it abrading against your gentle sensibilities.
Peace out, spyyyyyyyyyy...
P.S. You sing way better than Tolon, but wow... that fool does an awesome 'Space Oddity'.
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Vital Efters
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.04 10:22:00 -
[787]
Bumpin this thread
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Cletus Graeme
Caldari
Bladerunners
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.06.04 13:22:00 -
[788]
Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 04/06/2007 13:23:01
Very good thread. Nice summary of your time in several alliances which gives us outsiders a glimpse of the nature of the people in them. Glad you found a home in ACSN and LV - sorry it didn't work out with GS. I'm sure you will find a new home soon :)
BoB vs GS - Why we need the Goons
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I don't like RnB - I prefer house myself, but the music industry is all the more richer for having them both.
I find it amusing that people debate the "love-hate" relationship the EvE community has with BoB but openly state how the Goons are just worthless asshats who are doing the game harm. Talk about duel standards!
EvE is interesting and entertaining precisely because we have such clever, motivated, organised alliances such as BoB, ACSN, LV and GS (yes, them too!) all at each other's throats.There is no "right" way to play this game - we all have personal preferences and our own ideas of our "ideal" type of corp/allaince. Goonswarm bring their own take on how to play to the game.
Just as the USA cherishes "freedom of speech" we EvE citizens should promote "freedom of play".Personally, I would never do many of the things I have heard that Goosn get up to - it's just not me.From his posts, I'd probably be happier flying with the OP than any GS, but I would openly defend the right of any Goon to play the game anyway they wanted to as long as they don't cheat - and it's up to CCP to police that, not us!
GS Threadnought - Spam can be a defensive mechanism
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Regarding the "Threadnought" - I was pleased to find the OP's experience closely matched my own guesses.
I think most ppl agree it was a bad idea and I hope that's why "The Mitanni" stepped down. If it was, then full credit to him for taking responsibility for his mistake.
However it was a bad idea born out of frustration, not malicious intention. CCP is slowly learning (albeit the hard way) what sort of transparency they need to provide to keep their player base happy.
Luckily for us (and the Goons - even if they won't admit it), while they may be relatively inexperienced in this, CCP genuinely try to listen to the players - which is a lot more than can be said for other game companies.
However, our standards are high and at times CCP falls short. On such occasions a certain amount of forgiveness is in order but at the same time you do need ppl like GS who aren't afraid to speak up, whatever the consequences, to just put sh*t out there and let it get shot down or backed up.
It's all well and good saying you shouldn't post allegations without truth but sometimes you aren't in a position to uncover the evidence yourself (infact, it isn't even your responsibility to do so!) Personally, I think GS did a service to the community bringing these issues to our attention even if they scuffed the way they did it.
GS is dead, long live GS!
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If GS does fall it wont be cos of BoB or anyone else. It will be 'cos they let it happen. They came to this game as noobs, made a name for themselves and carved out a home in 0.0 and a legacy which will last long after they are gone.
Goons - i salut thee! I ain't flying widya tho - eva :p
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Larshus Magrus
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.06.04 16:47:00 -
[789]
Eleuthereus: Thanks for your opinions. I remember fighting night after night alongside of you in LV (even if you don't remember me) trying to stave off the hoard. Was some of the best game play in EVE I've ever had, and for sure we had the largest fleet battles to date :)
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Flarus
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.05 13:04:00 -
[790]
RE : op's. Read um all having remembered you from LV, mostly from chatting in gang about "it happening again" hehe. Very funny, nothing really new but good to hear about it for sumone cut off from the news down south and trying to get back there to fight on against the 'bad' and reclaim my kit! lol
Sadly my LV corp didn't take up BoBs offer and now I'm without an avenue of revenge, ho hum
Love like you've never been hurt, dance like no one is watching and dress like a prat!
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Posted - 2007.06.05 13:50:00 -
[791]
Goodness, this thread reminds me of earlier days in Neopets cheating communities. Eleuthereus, I understand your views and experiences (I've had the same, albeit in a different game nearly 4/5 years ago.), and empathize.
It's rough watching something you truly enjoy destroyed, then be forced to hop around. Goon's (apparent) behavior is disgusting--but it's their right. And by the same token, it is your right to leave them, and I applaud you for doing so in such a transparent manner...it gives another side to the "Goon's are the underdog" view that many (myself included) typically hold. I now view the situation more as localized, compartmentalized cheating in BoB; with Goon being the "rebel", a daring challenge at normal authority...albeit a red-neck/backwater one.
Both have their 'flaws', depending on your view. Personally, I'd rather be with a majority of intelligent pilots as opposed to a bunch of 'Goons' (sorry about the pun). The actions of a few shouldn't tarnish the repuations of the many, from the OPs posts, you're mainly a solid group...BoB, for your own sake, purge the cheaters. Or at least cut your ties with the Devs, so you aren't so universally hated. At the very least, don't brag about it...you guys really aren't doing your corp. members any favors posting about it on the forums.
In any case, thanks for the post OP. It was a nice read, and I appreciate the insight. If I do end up going 0.0 and join a megalliance, I think you've helped make my decision as to which way I'd go.
-Trevor
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Posted - 2007.06.06 07:39:00 -
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Edited by: VCBee 493 on 06/06/2007 07:38:02
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.06.06 09:03:00 -
[793]
28 Pages Later. Hmm, sounds good for a film.
Well, at least I now know the meaning of the words:
tl;dr
threadnaught
pubbies
Anyone who gave us Jeff K can't be all bad, can they?
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Guanxi
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Posted - 2007.06.06 14:00:00 -
[794]
bump - worth the read. not a BoB alt. ty for your time. :)
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DarkFenix
Caldari
Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.06.06 15:02:00 -
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For starters, wow long post. I'll comment on each of your topics in turn.
1. That's one view on ASCN. The other view of course is that they were cowardly vultures running to feed off the corpse of Xetic when the Five showed up. I don't know about the members themselves, but I personally disliked ASCN and was glad it fell. Oh, and on a factual point, ASCN wasn't around since early in the game's history .
I think your assessment of GS is pretty much the commonly held consensus about them in Eve at the moment. I don't doubt that not all of GS are like that, but the vocal ones their reputation is based on certainly are. They could do with giving a bit more of a s**t what the rest of Eve thinks of them, being unpopular isn't good for your life expectancy in Eve.
2. To be honest, if you know BoB, you know the war was over before it began. Nothing short of a miracle could have won it for the Coalition. BoB are more skilled, more experienced, better led and more dedicated than any other alliance in Eve.
3. None of your quotes actually suggest the devs favour those BoB members at all unless you twist words. I've said it before, I'll say it again: There is nothing wrong with players having out of game contact with devs. Wouldn't all BoB's enemies just love to believe BoB are getting dev favours though.
4. Let's take what you're saying about GS genuinely believing that they were doing the right thing, and combine it with your own evaluation of GS members' character. Seeing the problem here?
To put it bluntly, a great many Goons are idiots who would believe you if you said the world is flat. Where do you think the info on the supposed dev cheater came from? Could it be from internal sources? Could it be that these sources are heavily biased?
And anyway, I doubt many GS members have thought about the well-being of Eve. I'm not sure if you know much about Goons from other games, but they don't exactly have a stellar reputation there either.
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Stahlregen
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.07 01:07:00 -
[796]
Originally by: DarkFenix
DarkFenix
Caldari
Pilots Of Honour
This is the single best reverse troll i have ever seen.
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OHGODSPIES
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Posted - 2007.06.22 21:37:00 -
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TL;DR
I did read OP's posts, but all I could discern was summed up as "BAWWWWWWWWWWW". I respect that, naturally, but it's obvious that GoonSwarm is not for Eleuth. In fact, I'm sure he has stairs in his house.
Also, posting with an alt.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.06.22 21:48:00 -
[798]
Originally by: OHGODSPIES
TL;DR
I did read OP's posts, but all I could discern was summed up as "BAWWWWWWWWWWW". I respect that, naturally, but it's obvious that GoonSwarm is not for Eleuth. In fact, I'm sure he has stairs in his house.
Also, posting with an alt.
POST NECRO DETECTED!
Bad goober! BAD! >:[
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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Samiki
Gallente
Dead Eagle
North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.10.24 05:09:00 -
[799]
This thread was quite enjoyable. :) I have considered joining a corporation in GoonSwarm since my fiance is a goon on the SA forums - and likes it very well. (I could get in with him - although the degrading "pubbie" term puts me off...)
However, I have since decided that I would be too offended at most goon comment and humor, simply because I am a woman and am pretty sensitive towards racial, ethnic, or other gross comment, even if it is claimed to not be serious.
I have met very nice GoonSwarm members in the past and I realize that not all goons are racist aholes. It is great that they can be whatever they want to be and be successful.
In fair comment, everyone should have fun doing what they do. And if you don't like GoonSwarm either fight them or stay away. I don't think what they do ruins much of anything.
Fly safe, have fun! :)
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Luna L'sri
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Posted - 2007.10.24 05:27:00 -
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Did you have to bump a 4 month old post to say that
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ISD Rauth Kivaro
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2007.10.24 05:55:00 -
[801]
zomgnecro*click*
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