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Aduna Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.01 19:13:00 - [61] Originally by: CCP Arkanon Devs on MSN There are specific rules in place forbidding players from bragging about GM or developer connections, especially implying that you can get people banned or fired, or that your contacts have put you in a position where you are above the law in EVE. If someone says something to that effect to you ingame, please petition it using the æHarassmentÆ category and we will deal with it as harshly as our policies allow. If anyone has evidence of such interaction being used improperly, to further anyoneÆs cause ingame, I urge them to contact us through the [email protected] email address. We will investigate all such claims to the best of our abilities. then until we see Dianabolic and the other snip members that were outright bragging that they had the contacts and used it for unfair and blatant illegal purposes, this issue will NOT die with me. show that you enforce the rules clear across the board, that everyone is fair in CCP's eyes and do not display even a hint of favoritism to anybody and then maybe people will stop accusing CCP of bias towards players. you might even start to gain a shred of credibility with the playerbase again. it would be a good start. Please discontinue using that - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Ediz Daxx FinFleet	Posted - 2007.06.01 19:20:00 - [62] Originally by: Aduna Originally by: CCP Arkanon Devs on MSN There are specific rules in place forbidding players from bragging about GM or developer connections, especially implying that you can get people banned or fired, or that your contacts have put you in a position where you are above the law in EVE. If someone says something to that effect to you ingame, please petition it using the æHarassmentÆ category and we will deal with it as harshly as our policies allow. If anyone has evidence of such interaction being used improperly, to further anyoneÆs cause ingame, I urge them to contact us through the [email protected] email address. We will investigate all such claims to the best of our abilities. then until we see Dianabolic and the other snip members that were outright bragging that they had the contacts and used it for unfair and blatant illegal purposes, this issue will NOT die with me. show that you enforce the rules clear across the board, that everyone is fair in CCP's eyes and do not display even a hint of favoritism to anybody and then maybe people will stop accusing CCP of bias towards players. you might even start to gain a shred of credibility with the playerbase again. it would be a good start. They did NOT "brag" about them having contacts that were used for "unfair and illegal purpose" train reading skills to lvl 5 ffs!
Aduna Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.01 19:28:00 - [63] Originally by: Ediz Daxx Originally by: Aduna Originally by: CCP Arkanon Devs on MSN There are specific rules in place forbidding players from bragging about GM or developer connections, especially implying that you can get people banned or fired, or that your contacts have put you in a position where you are above the law in EVE. If someone says something to that effect to you ingame, please petition it using the æHarassmentÆ category and we will deal with it as harshly as our policies allow. If anyone has evidence of such interaction being used improperly, to further anyoneÆs cause ingame, I urge them to contact us through the [email protected] email address. We will investigate all such claims to the best of our abilities. then until we see Dianabolic and the other snip members that were outright bragging that they had the contacts and used it for unfair and blatant illegal purposes, this issue will NOT die with me. show that you enforce the rules clear across the board, that everyone is fair in CCP's eyes and do not display even a hint of favoritism to anybody and then maybe people will stop accusing CCP of bias towards players. you might even start to gain a shred of credibility with the playerbase again. it would be a good start. They did NOT "brag" about them having contacts that were used for "unfair and illegal purpose" train reading skills to lvl 5 ffs! you're right, i should train reading comprehension since apparently i can't read the proof myself.
Ediz Daxx FinFleet	Posted - 2007.06.01 19:30:00 - [64] Originally by: Aduna Originally by: Ediz Daxx Originally by: Aduna Originally by: CCP Arkanon Devs on MSN There are specific rules in place forbidding players from bragging about GM or developer connections, especially implying that you can get people banned or fired, or that your contacts have put you in a position where you are above the law in EVE. If someone says something to that effect to you ingame, please petition it using the æHarassmentÆ category and we will deal with it as harshly as our policies allow. If anyone has evidence of such interaction being used improperly, to further anyoneÆs cause ingame, I urge them to contact us through the [email protected] email address. We will investigate all such claims to the best of our abilities. then until we see Dianabolic and the other snip members that were outright bragging that they had the contacts and used it for unfair and blatant illegal purposes, this issue will NOT die with me. show that you enforce the rules clear across the board, that everyone is fair in CCP's eyes and do not display even a hint of favoritism to anybody and then maybe people will stop accusing CCP of bias towards players. you might even start to gain a shred of credibility with the playerbase again. it would be a good start. They did NOT "brag" about them having contacts that were used for "unfair and illegal purpose" train reading skills to lvl 5 ffs! you're right, i should train reading comprehension since apparently i can't read the proof myself. This has nothing to do with your orginal post.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.01 19:35:00 - [65] Edited by: Avon on 01/06/2007 19:34:47 Originally by: Aduna you're right, i should train reading comprehension since apparently i can't read the proof myself. O..M..G! You don't get irony and sarcasm, do you? It is like BoB naming their ships [DEV] a while back. We didn't do it because we are devs. We didn't do it because we want people to think we are devs. We did it because people keep accusing us of being devs. You know, if you keep slinging mud and making accusations we can do one of two things. We can pack up our toys and storm off in a huff, or we can laugh it off and throw it back in the face of people like you. If you think Deathwing (possibly Eve's greatest samcktalker - seriously, he makes it an art), really has CCP on his MSN, raise a complaint with internal affairs. If, however, you suspect he is trying to make a fool of you, I'd think twice before confirming it. Honestly, comments like his are inappropriate, and with the clarification in this thread I am sure such things will be avoided. But seriously, dude, like, chill. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Aduna Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.01 19:41:00 - [66] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 01/06/2007 19:34:47 Originally by: Aduna you're right, i should train reading comprehension since apparently i can't read the proof myself. O..M..G! You don't get irony and sarcasm, do you? It is like BoB naming their ships [DEV] a while back. We didn't do it because we are devs. We didn't do it because we want people to think we are devs. We did it because people keep accusing us of being devs. You know, if you keep slinging mud and making accusations we can do one of two things. We can pack up our toys and storm off in a huff, or we can laugh it off and throw it back in the face of people like you. If you think Deathwing (possibly Eve's greatest samcktalker - seriously, he makes it an art), really has CCP on his MSN, raise a complaint with internal affairs. If, however, you suspect he is trying to make a fool of you, I'd think twice before confirming it. Honestly, comments like his are inappropriate, and with the clarification in this thread I am sure such things will be avoided. But seriously, dude, like, chill. 1. the post was never identified as 'sarcastic', so how am i to know if it is or not? he's claiming dev connections, and that he will get people banned. i take that quite seriously, and so should CCP in light of recent events. 2. refer to #1 about being able to read tone of voice and intent from toneless text on a screen. 3. Deathwing and Dianabolic STILL BROKE THE RULES IN PLACE, being sarcastic or not. no matter what else, you cannot get around that ugly fact. by that measure, they should be perma-banned from Eve, as i would expect if i suddenly made claims like that myself. 4. so you try to make more excuses for your alliance as to why you should be allowed to circumvent the rules. nice. i would think that recent stuff would make you think twice about that, but maybe it'll take the people that name their ship [DEV] and brag about dev connections both on the forums and ingame to get their accounts erased to awake you to that fact. which i sincerely hope happens, you have it coming.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.01 19:46:00 - [67] Originally by: CCP Arkanon There are specific rules in place forbidding players from bragging about GM or developer connections, especially implying that you can get people banned or fired, or that your contacts have put you in a position where you are above the law in EVE. If someone says something to that effect to you ingame, please petition it using the æHarassmentÆ category and we will deal with it as harshly as our policies allow. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
RaBbLe66 Amarr Amarr Dissidents Club	Posted - 2007.06.01 19:49:00 - [68] Quote: and we will deal with it as harshly as our policies allow. Translation: Anyone who isn't on our MSN buddy list will get perma-banned, However our policies allow us to ignore those who we are personally friendly with. e.g You are I will be banned if we said this, BoB members who HAVE said this will be let off scott free again Snip your signature may not contain offensive langage - Timmeh
Ammoina University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.01 19:54:00 - [69] Originally by: Avon Originally by: CCP Arkanon There are specific rules in place forbidding players from bragging about GM or developer connections, especially implying that you can get people banned or fired, or that your contacts have put you in a position where you are above the law in EVE. If someone says something to that effect to you ingame, please petition it using the æHarassmentÆ category and we will deal with it as harshly as our policies allow. myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp What? I'm a detail oriented *******.
Neoromi	Posted - 2007.06.01 19:55:00 - [70] Originally by: RaBbLe66 Quote: and we will deal with it as harshly as our policies allow. Translation: Anyone who isn't on our MSN buddy list will get perma-banned, However our policies allow us to ignore those who we are personally friendly with. e.g You are I will be banned if we said this, BoB members who HAVE said this will be let off scott free again I hear certifiend doctors have pills for paranoia.

KD.Fluffy The Refugees	Posted - 2007.06.01 19:57:00 - [71] sounds like the IA has accepted that they are powerless and can't do anything to help corruption. Behold my evidince of BOB favoritism. Originally by: Dianabolic We have a "special" line (if you want to call msn that) to our FRIENDS.
RaBbLe66 Amarr Amarr Dissidents Club	Posted - 2007.06.01 19:59:00 - [72] Quote: If someone says something to that effect to you ingame Translation: only those present may mail Arkanon and any other evidence such as chat logs submitted by a corporation will be ignored e.g: 1. We know Orange species said that but we dont want to ban him as he is on our MSN buddy list so we will rule out the evidence against him 2. We know that Dianabolic was stupid enough to admit that on the forums so we had to restrict the poliocy to in-game only so we dont have to ban those on our MSN buddy lists Nice work Arkanon, made sure your Buddies stay in the game while "appearing" to have policies... this so blatent ensuring that BoB are untouchable stinks as much as you totally ignoring Sir Molles flagrant breaches of the EULA during the T20 incident You unbiased..????? yeah right Snip your signature may not contain offensive langage - Timmeh
MissileRus	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:01:00 - [73] Arkanon for king (presidents sucks) --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
RaBbLe66 Amarr Amarr Dissidents Club	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:03:00 - [74] Quote: If anyone has evidence of such interaction being used improperly, to further anyoneÆs cause ingame, I urge them to contact us through the [email protected] email address. You were e-mailed by me during the T20 affair with evidence of breaches of EULA by BoB leadership, I never even had the courtesy of a response, and you totally ignored the issues raised, not once refering to them publically. That is why I and others in this game have ZERO confidence in your ability to be unbiased Snip your signature may not contain offensive langage - Timmeh
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:05:00 - [75] Originally by: Ammoina Originally by: Avon Originally by: CCP Arkanon There are specific rules in place forbidding players from bragging about GM or developer connections, especially implying that you can get people banned or fired, or that your contacts have put you in a position where you are above the law in EVE. If someone says something to that effect to you ingame, please petition it using the æHarassmentÆ category and we will deal with it as harshly as our policies allow. myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp What? I'm a detail oriented *******. I encourage you to only use these forums using the ingame browser. We could all do with the peace and quiet. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:07:00 - [76] Originally by: RaBbLe66 Quote: If anyone has evidence of such interaction being used improperly, to further anyoneÆs cause ingame, I urge them to contact us through the [email protected] email address. You were e-mailed by me during the T20 affair with evidence of breaches of EULA by BoB leadership, I never even had the courtesy of a response, and you totally ignored the issues raised, not once refering to them publically. That is why I and others in this game have ZERO confidence in your ability to be unbiased You don't know if any action was taken, you are just assuming it wasn't. Remember, CCP don't discuss actions taken against players. Ah well. It would seem that there is little interest in drawing a line under this whole affair. Shame really. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
RaBbLe66 Amarr Amarr Dissidents Club	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:11:00 - [77] Quote: Ah well. It would seem that there is little interest in drawing a line under this whole affair. On that I think we can both agree, a line needs to be drawn. But not where it is now, it needs to be drawn after it has been made clear to all that no matter what alliance you are in you will be held responsible for your words and deeds, this reply from Arkanon very cleverly manages to exclude the evidence against certain people.. I wonder if it had been another alliance involved if those words and policies would have been drafted so meticulously Snip your signature may not contain offensive langage - Timmeh
Stella Stardust	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:13:00 - [78] 1. Trusting your employees You make it sound as if CCP have been living under a rock before they starting this company. I used to work for a technical support company, and not only was I not allowed (by legal contract) to discuss specific information about my product with outsiders, but also with people working at the company for other departments. You don't have to spy on people just because you have a program that intercepts and log IM messages, but if you have it, you can if and when need arises go back and check logs. Given the paranoia sweeping your game I would think in many cases this could actually protect your employees just as much if not more often as it could "frame" them, when they are being accused of inappropiate contacts. 2. Reporting "braggers" I am going to presume that the BoB people who have broken this rule are paying customers. It is not their responsibility as paying customers to keep up appearances for CCP, it is the responsibility of the company and the employees to behave ethically towards all their customers. It lays soley on the shoulders of your employees to be discrete and perhaps be a little bit more discriminatory with who they associate. In other words - it should be staff cutting contact with these customers when their trust is broken, not the customers being silenced and the contact continuing. You make it sound as if your staff are completely spineless and powerless to exercise neither judgement or control over their player interactions. 3. Cutting yourselves off from the community Who is your community? These very very few individuals who by the favoritism shown by you are tearing your community apart? These what - 5? 20? 100? people? THAT is your community? You need to redefine who your community is in that case. You have stated in previous posts that there are staff spread over the full spectrum of EVE, and yet we never hear about them. There seem to be a few staff and a few players which again and again do tear your community apart by their behaviour. You can't blame your customers for wanting to be friends with the powers that be. It's your responsibility to act professional to the whole of your community, not just a very small number of them, and my goodness, do something about these few contacts which are souring your entire game and reputation as a company. I would like to end with a quote from the looong thread from last week. "And you're now complaining that we speak to these people, who are also our friends, about stuff in-game? Do you lot REALLY think that the "top" people, Hillmar and Oveur etc, are party to all of this? Of course they're not, this is their cash cow." Dianabolic - Reikoku - Band of Brothers Posted - 2007.05.26 01:15:00 - [335] I am not concerned about people throwing tantrums on the forums, it wasn't until that quoted text showed up that there was any substance at all in those accusations. If CCP can't see that their involvement in the game politics are costing them their professional reputation, then perhaps these "top people" who are "not party to all of this" should step up and take control of their "cash cow" - the wording alone implies to me that said 'top people' regard CCP as a business and not as their own personal playground, a view these "msn friends" do not share. The wording also implies that these "top people" actually don't even know the full extent of what is going on. hands arkanor some tin foil Here, let me show you how to wrap in the best way.....
Cailais Amarr VITOC The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:18:00 - [79] Awesome post Arkanon. No petition eh? Such a suprise that. And to those still complaining about the 'contact with devs' just how would you police your desired ban? Phone taps? Surveilance companies? In ccp's homes? In your homes? - Laughable. C. - sig designer - eve mail
Abnice	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:19:00 - [80] Edited by: Abnice on 01/06/2007 20:18:57 OK I'll take the bait. There is no need to get all up in arms because nobody got impaled, THAT YOU KNOW OF. In some places (dunno if Iceland is one of them), it is illegal for an employer to announce the sacking of an employee for X offense. Maybe something DID happen at CCP, but they can't say. I'm as upset at the whole perception mismanagement as anyone else, but don't be mad just because you enjoy being mad. Theres a simple solution to the whole MSN thing. CCP from here on out has declared open season on people who announce they're abusing, or rather, trying to abuse, their dev connections. Report them. All of them. Every single time they do it. Don't spam, don't be an idiot, because then you'll get ignored. Compose a well thought out email, include the relevant data, use spellcheck, and dont use lots of exclamation points and GG/FFS/ZOMG/WTF trollery. Show that YOU are willing to take the effort to contribute to the community (and no, trolling and demanding justice on the forums is NOT a community contribution), and then they will take you seriously. If you don't get an answer on every report you send, it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. No, they probably can't take action on your word alone, but if they continually see a pattern of bad behavior they'll start to watch the person ingame. Nothing like getting your hand caught in the cookie jar! edit: a comma != a period

Kiih GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:21:00 - [81] Originally by: Kiih http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=booyapt1il3.jpg http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=booyapt2nf7.jpg since you guys are still arguing the semantics of "did something happen" and "so what you can't prove something happened anyway" like in the 200+ pages of threads before this, let me try again. quoting these for this page too as i'm not quite sure what it means that even though ccp is innocent as charged the one at blame in one of these incidents has apparently lost his job ^_^ could someone explain me?
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:22:00 - [82] Originally by: RaBbLe66 Quote: Ah well. It would seem that there is little interest in drawing a line under this whole affair. On that I think we can both agree, a line needs to be drawn. But not where it is now, it needs to be drawn after it has been made clear to all that no matter what alliance you are in you will be held responsible for your words and deeds, this reply from Arkanon very cleverly manages to exclude the evidence against certain people.. I wonder if it had been another alliance involved if those words and policies would have been drafted so meticulously Bottom line, what does it matter? We could go on a hunt through every log ever to find every occasion where some nub in Jita has said "I'm going to log on my GM character and ban you!", and punish them too. Pointless. What we should do it accept the situation as it is, and hope and expect that the rules and policies now stated are followed equally, and that any infringement is punished fully. Tempers were flared, and the whole situation was something I found uncomfortable. Not because I felt any guilt, because I know I am a little goody-two-shoes, but because I felt CCP was being treated unfairly. Let's stop wallowing in the quagmire of this whole sordid affair, and get on with the game. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Fivo Asia	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:22:00 - [83] responding to: There are specific rules in place forbidding players from bragging about GM or developer connections, especially implying that you can get people banned or fired, or that your contacts have put you in a position where you are above the law in EVE. If someone says something to that effect to you ingame, please petition it using the æHarassmentÆ category and we will deal with it as harshly as our policies allow. If anyone has evidence of such interaction being used improperly, to further anyoneÆs cause ingame, I urge them to contact us through the [email protected] email address. We will investigate all such claims to the best of our abilities. CCP Arkanon CCP Internal Affairs [email protected] -------------------------------------------- It seems visibly apparent that this happened in the last initial thread about the investigation. As this forum is an extension of the game community, and actual interaction here effect game play, I would appreciate confirmation that an investigation has been initiated for the personnel bragging to the other players that they both had and deserved SPECIAL access to the devs; many multiple times.
General Apocalypse Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:30:00 - [84] Thank you for the clarifications Arkanon. Maybe this will stop the screaming hysterical n00bs (not to say imbecils). Thank you for silecing them on the EVE-O We'll make shure they're obliderated from the game , let's see what they'll do when they're once again in newb ships. I dout that thye'll have the guts to show there faces again. Maybe now we can stop the tinfoil . What to you think guys ? Let's give CCP a break from all this bull**** and let them focus on balancing & optimiseing REV 2. Thank You SkyFlyer
Ammoina University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:31:00 - [85] Originally by: Avon I encourage you to only use these forums using the ingame browser. We could all do with the peace and quiet. We both know that the boards are essentially 'ingame', BoB knows this especially. To act otherwise is just being ignorant on purpose.
Ammoina University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:33:00 - [86] Originally by: Kiih Originally by: Kiih http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=booyapt1il3.jpg http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=booyapt2nf7.jpg since you guys are still arguing the semantics of "did something happen" and "so what you can't prove something happened anyway" like in the 200+ pages of threads before this, let me try again. quoting these for this page too as i'm not quite sure what it means that even though ccp is innocent as charged the one at blame in one of these incidents has apparently lost his job ^_^ could someone explain me? It is an intersting point... and does seem kind of odd. But hey, lets not jump to any conclusions...
Rosalina Sarinna KHM Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:37:00 - [87] Thankyou for the extended responce to your last blog Ark. I'm sure the less-than-absolutely-paranoid of us are now satisfied fully over the situation. Much Appreciated!
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:39:00 - [88] Originally by: Ammoina Originally by: Avon I encourage you to only use these forums using the ingame browser. We could all do with the peace and quiet. We both know that the boards are essentially 'ingame', BoB knows this especially. To act otherwise is just being ignorant on purpose. Oh look, I just duped your post. I do so hope I don't get banned for it. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
General Apocalypse Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:40:00 - [89] Edited by: General Apocalypse on 01/06/2007 20:39:26 For heavens sake his a Data Base Administrator he'll just delete this char and create a new one in order to avoid any future scandal/tinfoil haterry. His doing his best to get presure off the DEVs & high command of CCP to help them concentrate on matters that do matter not lose their atention on sily flames and screams Thank You SkyFlyer
Overdone	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:45:00 - [90] The one question, in fact the only question that has ever really mattered, and is in effect the crux of all three matters is whether a specific developer (CCP Admiral Chamrajnagar) used undue haste, and therefore bias in regard to the firing of the ISD reporter. Everything else comes back to this, you have answered why the ISD reporter was fired, how having a relationship can be ok with the developers and why we have no reason to suspect any actions on the part of Sharkbait were suspect. However all three of the previous explanations are meaningless if indeed a developer of the game used his position to assist or to help a player (Orange Species). The matter can be put to rest if you would only answer this, instead of avoiding it twice now.



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