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Rellik B00n Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.04 16:30:00 - [1] Edited by: Rellik B00n on 04/06/2007 16:32:49 A Public Service Announcement by The Molotov Coalition How does a person, corporation or alliance define defeat? The dictionary gives us: - to overcome in a contest, election, battle, etc.; prevail over; vanquish - the act of overcoming in a contest: an overwhelming defeat of all opposition. - an overthrow or overturning; vanquishment: - a bringing to naught; frustration: - Archaic. undoing; destruction; ruin. ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- To some people it might be losing a ship over and over and over again ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- To some people it might be failing at ones objectives: For example an anti-pirate alliance completely failing to beat a group of pirates : Molotov Alliance vs VIGIL Alliance stats: Mltov killed 80 - VIGIL killed 12 - battlecruiser Mltov killed 46 - VIGIL killed 14 - battleship Mltov killed 48 - VIGIL killed 02 - capsules Mltov killed 43 - VIGIL killed 04 - cruisers Mltov killed 02 - VIGIL killed 00 - destroyers Mltov killed 01 - VIGIL killed 00 - command ship Mltov killed 19 - VIGIL killed 00 - elite cruisers Mltov killed 17 - VIGIL killed 03 - elite frigates Mltov killed 01 - VIGIL killed 00 - elite industrial Mltov killed 36 - VIGIL killed 02 - frigates Mltov killed 07 - VIGIL killed 01 - industrials Mltov killed 03 - VIGIL killed 00 - mining barges Mltov Total: 303 VIGIL Total: 38 ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- To some people it might be losing the space you have made your home: Originally by: Heriom So we enter another war. Im not trying to depress you but this will be the hardest yet. I have heard and know for a fact that the molotov coallition want this pocket for themselves. The pocket is ours 100's of ships have died defending it. We will win this war one way or another. The V I G I L are here to stay simple as that. We arent going ***** no where. Originally by:** Heriom So ATM we are taking quite a beating by the molotov coalition. Some of you know that we have lost alot of pvp's from the alliance and some are taking temporary breaks to earn isk for the ships that they have lost. Alliance Direction and Vision??? Still the same for me. We are the VGL we are anti pirate and we will always be. We arent going anywhere. Originally by: Lisa B Hi all, Just to update you on what is going with vigil and the POS, for those that haven't heard - we are generally losing the war so the decision has been made to pull out of the pocket and find another base of operations. Where this will be is as yet unclear. ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- We here at the Molotov Alliance are happy to say that the VIGIL have made it into our everyday language, now when one of our pilots makes a mistake or flies badly we say "Are you the VIGIL spy?" ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- Your pilots have left, some are now pirating. You have lost your home. you have lost your ships. you have lost your ISK. Some of you have lost your honour. If anyone asks me in future how i define defeat i will simply say to them: "VIGIL" On behalf of the Molotov Coaltion.
Archilies The Wild Hunt FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.04 16:34:00 - [2] Snip Off Topic -Incognus There Was A Time When The World Asked Ordinary Men To Do Extraordinary Things
Thoric Frosthammer Fallen Angels Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.04 16:55:00 - [3] Defeat. It could also be defined as posting a silly gloat thread, and noone bothering to care.
Hakaro Ino Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.04 16:58:00 - [4] mabye im just being silly but what is he gloating about? seems to me they got owned
Sekhmet Orion Mandatory Suicide Incorporated	Posted - 2007.06.04 17:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Hakaro Ino mabye im just being silly but what is he gloating about? seems to me they got owned You might want to look up the word "gloat" No wait..there is a definition at the top of page
Waxau Amarr Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.06.04 17:10:00 - [6] Without smacking or anything - LR had a war with them last week, and people got so bored, they willingly went to 0.0 to rat. The best ship we killed i believe was Deltauk1's manti, and the rest were frigs and haulers. And when they finally decided to give us some action...we had an astarte, raven, and vulture, and VIGIL had 2 ravens, 1 geddon, 1 rook, and 1 drake, and were too afraid to engage, despite us even aggroing. Poor targets through and through Good work Mol.
Rellik B00n Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.04 17:30:00 - [7] Edited by: Rellik B00n on 04/06/2007 17:33:11 if you dont care, jog on. nothing in this thread is gloat it is simply the shocking truth. and im afraid LR we were a bit puzzled by your war dec: the reason you had no targets is because we had already wiped them from the face of the universe. This post is largely in response to smacktalk from several of their illustrious leaders. They are beaten but refuse to acknowledge it, so the post is here so we can let our war with them end but anytime they smack at us or w/e we can just link this thread and say: quiet you.
Splitter Macdung Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.04 17:43:00 - [8] More strutting than gloating. Changes Rellik's title to Strutter! __________________________________ Vale Heavy Industries* We'll haul Your Stuff For Free! MOLOTOV COALITION ...And Probably Just Set It On Fire.
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army	Posted - 2007.06.04 19:21:00 - [9] yawn...
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.04 21:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Mattduk yawn... Says UARM... an elite pvp force to rival even the mighty VIGIL? Bitter much? -----
WildAmishRose Caldari Vale Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.06.04 21:18:00 - [11] Such overwhelming victory, I'm afraid of us.
Danari Amarr Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.04 21:47:00 - [12] Enjoy it. Just try to keep perspective when the guy bigger than you does to you what you did to the littler guy. Including the gloating part.
Adeptus mecanicus The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.06.04 21:56:00 - [13] Originally by: Rellik B00n Edited by: Rellik B00n on 04/06/2007 16:32:49 A Public Service Announcement by The Molotov Coalition Molotov Alliance vs VIGIL Alliance stats: Mltov killed 80 - VIGIL killed 12 - battlecruiser Mltov killed 46 - VIGIL killed 14 - battleship Mltov killed 48 - VIGIL killed 02 - capsules Mltov killed 43 - VIGIL killed 04 - cruisers Mltov killed 02 - VIGIL killed 00 - destroyers Mltov killed 01 - VIGIL killed 00 - command ship Mltov killed 19 - VIGIL killed 00 - elite cruisers Mltov killed 17 - VIGIL killed 03 - elite frigates Mltov killed 01 - VIGIL killed 00 - elite industrial Mltov killed 36 - VIGIL killed 02 - frigates Mltov killed 07 - VIGIL killed 01 - industrials Mltov killed 03 - VIGIL killed 00 - mining barges Mltov Total: 303 VIGIL Total: 38 yarr we won On behalf of the Molotov Coaltion. Now it looks more informative and Honorable
Rudy Metallo Crimson Squall Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.05 02:51:00 - [14] Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 05/06/2007 02:50:49 I love the hypocrisy of some of the posts on this thread. Editted for clarity. Say what?
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.06.05 02:58:00 - [15] Edited by: DubanFP on 05/06/2007 02:59:43 Originally by: Rellik B00n How does a person, corporation or alliance define defeat? The dictionary gives us: - the act of overcoming in a contest: an overwhelming defeat of all opposition. I don't know what dictionary you're using, but one that uses a word to define itself probebly isn't that reliable a source to use in the future... ____________ Dark Shikari> If at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.
Rebus Valstay Deneb Kaitos Engineering	Posted - 2007.06.05 06:39:00 - [16] Edited by: Rebus Valstay on 05/06/2007 06:39:41 Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 05/06/2007 02:59:43 I don't know what dictionary you're using, but one that uses a word to define itself probebly isn't that reliable a source to use in the future... Damn, Rellik, he's gotta there.
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army	Posted - 2007.06.05 06:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Mattduk yawn... No, says me. Sure, you beat them. Well done. However your forum chest beating ruined the whole effort and just made you look like an arrogant co.ck. Which is a pity. Otherwise I would have been congratulating you. Regards Mattduk
Waxau Amarr Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.06.05 07:16:00 - [18] Ok guys - you heard him. All of Bob, and all other corps. Dont post in this forum section, or he'll brand you chest-beaters
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.06.05 08:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer Defeat. It could also be defined as posting a silly gloat thread, and noone bothering to care.
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 10:09:00 - [20] Thread is about as clever as the OPs name -_-
Mrrzah Amarr Word of Blake	Posted - 2007.06.05 10:13:00 - [21] The only thing worse then a sore loser is a bad winner.
Tempest Kane Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 10:20:00 - [22] Mltov Total: 303 VIGIL Total: 38 ... i have more personal kills under my belt in the last month or so than you have against a whole alliance your claiming to have pushed to the point of death. If you think 303 kills is alot.. you need to take a step out of your pond into the big sea we call 0.0. "Vigil" doesn't sound particularly important either, so is it worth posting a victory message? it only points out the insignificance of your own alliance. If your want attention and publicity, get out and fight a real alliance, and bring it, win lose or draw engage, that will get you talked about for all the right reasons.
Steve Holt coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.05 11:07:00 - [23] Originally by: Tempest Kane If you think 303 kills is alot.. you need to take a step out of your pond into the big sea we call 0.0. Thtas not hard agaisnt who youre fighting. i mean srlsy fit a Smartbomb and your kill count agisnt goons triples.
Heriom UNITED KINGDOM MAYHEM THE V I G I L	Posted - 2007.06.05 20:10:00 - [24] One thing to say relik bafoon... multiple spies inside our alliance. When ever we had a gang going that could beat you you looged or stayed docked. When we had even forces we beat you. Deny it i dare you. Without that alt you had in the VGL it would of been fair. So jog on ladyboy, and next time ask druz for permission before you open your trap. btw You were one of the least respected pvp's in this war.
deltauk1	Posted - 2007.06.05 20:10:00 - [25] oh my dear relik, you guys may have smashed us to pieces but you didn't break our spirit and we certianly aren't poor and have plenty of isk and ships thank you very much. also relik of our huge 38 kills you were the most obliging victim and how your even allowed in molotov I don't know, but never mind you didn't break us because we're still here and we're still active so pls stop going on. despite our losses i enjoyed the war to an extent and learnt a lot about what my rook can and can't do, also met some pretty cool people you not being one of them. as for you waxau the incident you mentioned. we didn't engage you because you were in docking range also you dec'd us so come and get us we certianly aren't scared of you, so hope to see you soon.
frank frank Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.05 20:13:00 - [26] Edited by: frank frank on 05/06/2007 20:14:17 Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg Thread is about as clever as the OPs name -_- Much like your posting.
Waxau Amarr Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.06.05 20:14:00 - [27] Lol deltauk.....We DID come and find you - Your guys always ran to station or cloaked. And as for the 'incident'...I was agressed, engaging you in my vulture, and you didnt engage with more numbers, more firepower, and more advantage. Please dont use an excuse of 'docking range'. It just makes you seem unlearned in the ways of game mechanics.
Marcathonas Minmatar Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.05 20:33:00 - [28] Edited by: Marcathonas on 05/06/2007 20:35:38 Edited by: Marcathonas on 05/06/2007 20:33:26 Originally by: Heriom One thing to say relik bafoon... multiple spies inside our alliance. When ever we had a gang going that could beat you you looged or stayed docked. When we had even forces we beat you. Deny it i dare you. Without that alt you had in the VGL it would of been fair. So jog on ladyboy, and next time ask druz for permission before you open your trap. btw You were one of the least respected pvp's in this war. There was no alt until a long time in the war. And you lost every engagement bar 2, one of which was in hisec when the entire gang got left behind (gg, 12 v 5) and the second was 4 bs and your nanotard v a bc and 2 bs. You have no pvp ability whatsover, so your calling out rellik doesn't mean much. How about you learn something other than smack for once? And as for the "staying docked" comment, http://www.nanitestudios.com/VHI/movies/whogivesatoss.wmv Had you guys any idea how to use ECM, you'd have slaughtered us. And we deliberately undocked (without ECCM or refitting which you had accused us of) because we wanted to fight you without you running for once. Get the hell out now kthx.
Wigglytuff Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.05 22:16:00 - [29] Edited by: Wigglytuff on 05/06/2007 22:20:55 The CAOD trolls come here telling us that we're chest-beating, yet they ignore the OP, this is not made to chest-beat, it is made because Vigil cannot accept the fact that they, an anti-pirate organization who 'own' some lowsec, got stomped on and driven out by Molotov. Not wanting to pay a ransom or offer something to get a group to stop killing you and you want to fight them off? Fine, I can respect that. Getting beaten down to the point that you're running all over the place and people are abandoning you, yet you cannot admit you've lost? Sorry, no respect in that. Being able to admit defeat is not a sign of weakness. Heroim, your group was outclassed, a spy wouldn't change that. You've just used a line that many groups have used to defend their loss in a war, while forgetting... Spies don't boost the player skill and character skill points of an organization. Spies don't undo/create FC experience. Spies don't make up for lack of in-game skill. Spies don't make a bad leader good. Spies don't make a leader unable to admit defeat. Spies don't make a side lose their will to fight* for their 'home'. Heroim, why is it hard for you to admit defeat? It's not hard, and you can use it as a learning experience. Everyone loses at some point. And Tempest Kane, you have an enemy who is happy to die in droves to kill one of you, our enemy played the runningman game. When you get a nice number of kills vs an enemy like that, you come let me know. Not all enemies fight the same way.
deltauk1 UNITED KINGDOM MAYHEM THE V I G I L	Posted - 2007.06.05 23:46:00 - [30] k for one we are still at war with you, we are not afraid of you in anyway whatsoever and you certianly are not deserving of our respect, in fact I believe you only dec'd us in an attempt to get standings with molotov and i believe they told you to go take a running jump how scary and fearsome you are anyway we're still waiting, your dec is still current so instead of talking nonsense on the forums come wipe us out as it seems so easy, and if we do lose i for one will not moan or complain, i'll just make my way to jita and get another ship, Are you really so sad that you need to dec a fledgling alliance; it would appear so. We may not have a fleet of capital ships or lots of experienced players but we will fight so quit talking and come fight us? This will be my last post on here as I'm starting to feel extremely childish see you tomorrow wax or forever do us all a favour and button it
Stakhanov kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.06 00:28:00 - [31] Cheers Molotov , nice to see that antipirate scum being punished appropriately
Waxau Amarr Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.06.06 01:11:00 - [32] Lol Delta - If ya wanna take off the gloves, then fine. Firstly, we did want standings, but in the end it was i who walked away, and we had already dec'd you from boredom of 0.0 - You were already on our list. Secondly, dont start coming up with crapola about fledgeling alliance. You folks have been in a coalition since last year, and LR kicked ure butts then, and have done since. If ya wanna check our killboards, you'd see the reason we arent shooting you atm, is that our current targets dont hide in high sec, nor stations. Go out into eve, and start playing it. You might grasp something you never knew. Wax
Rudy Metallo Crimson Squall Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.06 03:30:00 - [33] Originally by: deltauk1 k for one we are still at war with you, we are not afraid of you in anyway whatsoever and you certianly are not deserving of our respect, in fact I believe you only dec'd us in an attempt to get standings with molotov and i believe they told you to go take a running jump how scary and fearsome you are anyway we're still waiting, your dec is still current so instead of talking nonsense on the forums come wipe us out as it seems so easy, and if we do lose i for one will not moan or complain, i'll just make my way to jita and get another ship, Are you really so sad that you need to dec a fledgling alliance; it would appear so. We may not have a fleet of capital ships or lots of experienced players but we will fight so quit talking and come fight us? This will be my last post on here as I'm starting to feel extremely childish see you tomorrow wax or forever do us all a favour and button it Moltov was formed a few weeks before you were decc'd. And I'm afraid I cant enter highsec. I know, I'm sad about it too. You have lost three of your corperations already. You are losing players, experienced and not, faster than ASCN after their titan went kablooey. Admit your defeat and walk away with what dignity remains. It is no crime nor insult to be deafeated. You are up against tougher opponents with more experience. There is no shame in losing to us. Flame and carry on all you want, each time it halves again what little respect I had for you. [/rant] In other news, thank you Razor for that 2b+ Navy Mega kill. Yeah, go ahead and say "IT WAS ONLY 1 KILL!" But that kill funded a new carrier. Ta. Say what?
Cairo dog Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.06 06:12:00 - [34] Ruuuudyyyyy, he was talking about Liberty Rogues, not our insane awesomeness. ------------------------------------- Rawr
Rudy Metallo Crimson Squall Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.06 10:32:00 - [35] Originally by: Cairo dog Ruuuudyyyyy, he was talking about Liberty Rogues, not our insane awesomeness. ...I change nothing. Say what?
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.06 12:06:00 - [36] Originally by: Marcathonas There was no alt until a long time in the war Using alts to gain an advntage for pvp is lame regardless of when they are placed.
Jinn Eleuter Peace and understanding	Posted - 2007.06.06 17:11:00 - [37] Edited by: Jinn Eleuter on 06/06/2007 17:11:42 Originally by: Wigglytuff Edited by: Wigglytuff on 05/06/2007 22:20:55 The CAOD trolls come here telling us that we're chest-beating, yet they ignore the OP, this is not made to chest-beat, it is made because Vigil cannot accept the fact that they, an anti-pirate organization who 'own' some lowsec, got stomped on and driven out by Molotov. Not wanting to pay a ransom or offer something to get a group to stop killing you and you want to fight them off? Fine, I can respect that. Getting beaten down to the point that you're running all over the place and people are abandoning you, yet you cannot admit you've lost? Sorry, no respect in that. Being able to admit defeat is not a sign of weakness. Heroim, your group was outclassed, a spy wouldn't change that. You've just used a line that many groups have used to defend their loss in a war, while forgetting... Spies don't boost the player skill and character skill points of an organization. Spies don't undo/create FC experience. Spies don't make up for lack of in-game skill. Spies don't make a bad leader good. Spies don't make a leader unable to admit defeat. Spies don't make a side lose their will to fight* for their 'home'. blah blah blah And who are you? VHI are trying to construct picture of David beating Goliath, but i ll refresh your memory how this all started. SMASH alliance ( ~2-3K members at that time) wardeced The V I G I L , 150-200 peeps at that time. They came with capital fleet and griefed us at our home system. Many of our pilots were unexperienced in pvp and they were ganked. And when they encountered our experienced pvp gangs, they would never engaged us if they had serious advantage. Even before this war, i used to patrol solo in Fribrodi, they would always run away. I finally freaked out, i figured how i am wasting my time chasing them, and engaging only on their conditions, so i left VGL. Even when i killed some of them 1vs1, they never gave credits, they always whined about something and they would never send a killmail if sentries ate it. So much about their attitude. When VHI left SMASH, they formed a new alliance, Molotov Coalition, which is almost same as VGL, but with no industrial side, only pvpers, and of course , pirates. There is a huge difference between age of peeps and financial strenght, so again, no David vs. Goliath. As for kill/loss ratio, im now 1 man corp, with NO alts (im too lazy too use them, i even haul my stuff with my main through 0.0)I have 4 wars atm, so its cca. 150 vs me. My kill/loss ratio is insane, but i would never open a topic on forums about it, because it means nothing, cause i pretty much kill people on my terms. As for your spies and your attitude about them, just . You had spies giving you info inside VGL , you knew everything about us, and you had mass of scout alts in the warzone. Hugs and kisses
Cairo dog Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:26:00 - [38] We actually have a pretty strong industrial side, just not members of the alliance. ------------------------------------- Rawr
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:47:00 - [39] Edited by: Chronus26 on 06/06/2007 18:46:47 Lol spies... and Jinn, I could say exactly the same about VIGIL, funny how these kind of accusations work isnt it? -----
Gruxella Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:54:00 - [40] Edited by: Gruxella on 06/06/2007 18:57:20 Meh... It was a good fight, I hope to see Vigil get some money so we can continue this fun little game. Vigil threw everything they had at us. Including the kitchen sink. Delta sacrificed two expensive ships in an attempt to save a random carrier. I enjoyed it, and thats all that matters to me. You can hear the panic in my voice.. and hear just how much I enjoyed it in one of Druz's video's here! GF. Need something hauled?
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:11:00 - [41] Originally by: Jinn Eleuter SMASH alliance ( ~2-3K members at that time) wardeced The V I G I L , 150-200 peeps at SMASH never had above 1400 members mate. 2-3K? Do you always make things up, or is it just in that post? - Recruitment open again-
Rudy Metallo Crimson Squall Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:01:00 - [42] When VHI left SMASH, they formed a new alliance, Molotov Coalition, which is almost same as VGL, but with no industrial side, only pvpers, and of course , pirates. There is a huge difference between age of peeps and financial strenght, so again, no David vs. Goliath. So we have no industry, but we have better finance than VGL? Stop talking. Say what?
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.06 22:50:00 - [43] Edited by: Kirex on 06/06/2007 22:50:28 Hi guys. o/ Like tobias said, SMASH had at most 1400 people, about 1% were in arifs fighting you. It was mostly Druz, few other VHI, some SPSYN, then Marc and Nanobot, if I had to guess I would say maybe 15-20. VIGIL, with arifs being their home system, had many more pilots than us and at that time, most of them in BS. And we do have industrialist, they're outside alliance though so no connection is made between us and them, and apparently it's working. :P delta, saying we didn't break your spirits, and cost you numerous ship losses and ISK is a lie. Corps have left, your top pvpers according to your KB have left and some of them turned pirate, when we teamed up to kill that LR camp (Hi waxau o/) you guys even said you cant afford BS because you've lost them all, and look at our kb for all your losses. And what place did I come in on the most honorable? ;p GL in the war LR (not that you need it). We 'warmed' them up for you. :P
Waxau Amarr Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.06.06 23:08:00 - [44] Originally by: Kirex Edited by: Kirex on 06/06/2007 22:50:28 Hi guys. o/ Like tobias said, SMASH had at most 1400 people, about 1% were in arifs fighting you. It was mostly Druz, few other VHI, some SPSYN, then Marc and Nanobot, if I had to guess I would say maybe 15-20. VIGIL, with arifs being their home system, had many more pilots than us and at that time, most of them in BS. And we do have industrialist, they're outside alliance though so no connection is made between us and them, and apparently it's working. :P delta, saying we didn't break your spirits, and cost you numerous ship losses and ISK is a lie. Corps have left, your top pvpers according to your KB have left and some of them turned pirate, when we teamed up to kill that LR camp (Hi waxau o/) you guys even said you cant afford BS because you've lost them all, and look at our kb for all your losses. And what place did I come in on the most honorable? ;p GL in the war LR (not that you need it). We 'warmed' them up for you. :P It seems we keep on switching chairs and giving each other the warm seats :) However LR abandoned all hope of fighting Vigil. As i said in my last post, the firepower they can pack means that we need to STOP people joining our gangs, and sadly even then at 1:2 numbers, and in smaller ships - They still dont engage. So we went back to 0.0 :)
Lavraen Minmatar Racketeers	Posted - 2007.06.07 10:49:00 - [45] Those anti-pirates The VIGIL have decced us Racketeers.
Luna Nilaya Black-Mesa THE V I G I L	Posted - 2007.06.07 14:11:00 - [46] Haha, wow. Amazing job Molo-guys, I shall bow before you. Your stats show nothing more than that you can bore your enemies to death and that guerilla warfare works as expected. I thought that this whole "war" was only a small thing to you that some of you did on the side, but I never really realized that you were that serious. Oh well.. thanks for some good fights.
Waxau Amarr Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.06.08 00:59:00 - [47] Originally by: Luna Nilaya Haha, wow. Amazing job Molo-guys, I shall bow before you. Your stats show nothing more than that you can bore your enemies to death and that guerilla warfare works as expected. I thought that this whole "war" was only a small thing to you that some of you did on the side, but I never really realized that you were that serious. Oh well.. thanks for some good fights. Excuse me young lady/guy, but i was fighting B-mesa and UKM before you were born :P If anyone uses such tactics, its your side :)
Juan Mendez Racketeers	Posted - 2007.06.08 13:22:00 - [48] More like: "Question: Define Defeat? Answer: VIGIL Alliance!"
Luna Nilaya Black-Mesa THE V I G I L	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:47:00 - [49] Originally by: Waxau Originally by: Luna Nilaya Haha, wow. Amazing job Molo-guys, I shall bow before you. Your stats show nothing more than that you can bore your enemies to death and that guerilla warfare works as expected. I thought that this whole "war" was only a small thing to you that some of you did on the side, but I never really realized that you were that serious. Oh well.. thanks for some good fights. Excuse me young lady/guy, but i was fighting B-mesa and UKM before you were born :P If anyone uses such tactics, its your side :) Excuse me grandpa but what does your post have to do with anything in my post?
Waxau Amarr Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.06.09 15:23:00 - [50] You could always relate my post IN REPLY to yours :P Or you could just post and just ignore it. Which i guess is what you did ^^
Nanobot Zephyr Manufacturing Group SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.10 17:22:00 - [51] Edited by: Nanobot on 10/06/2007 17:23:55 Edited by: Nanobot on 10/06/2007 17:21:32 Originally by: Kirex Edited by: Kirex on 06/06/2007 22:50:28 Hi guys. o/ Like tobias said, SMASH had at most 1400 people, about 1% were in arifs fighting you. It was mostly Druz, few other VHI, some SPSYN, then Marc and Nanobot, if I had to guess I would say maybe 15-20. VIGIL, with arifs being their home system, had many more pilots than us and at that time, most of them in BS. And we do have industrialist, they're outside alliance though so no connection is made between us and them, and apparently it's working. :P delta, saying we didn't break your spirits, and cost you numerous ship losses and ISK is a lie. Corps have left, your top pvpers according to your KB have left and some of them turned pirate, when we teamed up to kill that LR camp (Hi waxau o/) you guys even said you cant afford BS because you've lost them all, and look at our kb for all your losses. And what place did I come in on the most honorable? ;p GL in the war LR (not that you need it). We 'warmed' them up for you. :P I did lose a BS to one of their guys in a 1v1 (My T2 Blaster Mega vs T1 Rokh) outside one of Arifs stations, he had to smack me though when he thought I was trying to redock (My bad, was on such a roll the night before I used up all my Cap boosters and forgot to restock the next morning. Realised about 1/2 way through the fight and thought "sod it"). Note to VIGIL pilots, when a guy recalls all his drones as he enters structure, it's in the hope that most of them die when he does - less loot for you guys. All said and done I made 452 Mil off VIGIL and lost 267 (- Inc insurance). And I still have a Clone and a Thron in Arifsdald. Oh and I killed Delta twice, both times logged out. Do I care---No. Edit - Wave to the VHI guys, sounds like you guys still having fun. Shoot 1st, shoot some more, keep shooting, some more shot, and if anyones alive after ask a few questions. Just a soldier following orders.
Peoke Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.10 17:45:00 - [52] Ill set the record straight now. Smash di not send its capship fleet Smash dint try and kill you. there was a lul in fighting in 0.0 and vhi said they were attacked by you. we defended our corp by sending 20-30 members. i was one of them. after the first weak you were so dead and done that we didnt redec. after the first day i realized this war was worse then killing puppies. now vhi figured you deserved more then i and left to finish you. if you want to see our cap ship fleet and smash just smack some more and convo me in game. i will make time to wipe the floor with your egos.
Peoke Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.10 18:10:00 - [53] Now im wondering why post a gloat thread. even if they dont accept it in thier eyes. its 0.0 expirineced pvpers/pirates vs omber mining care bears. all respect i had for the skill of vhi is almost lost with a thread like this. the alliance your supposidly killing lives in low sec. grwo some balls and kill a real alliance then post a gloat thread.
Cairo dog Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.10 18:37:00 - [54] Sorry that you miss us. ------------------------------------- Rawr
Gruxella Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.10 21:11:00 - [55] awwh peoke we miss you too sweetie. I'll be sure to stop by later. Need something hauled?
Marcathonas Minmatar Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.10 21:29:00 - [56] Originally by: Dawn Princess Originally by: Marcathonas There was no alt until a long time in the war Using alts to gain an advntage for pvp is lame regardless of when they are placed. We didn't. We used alts because VIGIL alliance chat was hilarious and when grux tried to do the "advantage" thing he had a migraine and instaquit. As far as the "serious business" side of things, as pointed out this was a SPSYN/VHI/ZPHY war. A few ROME, UNKN, and CRSQ fought too, but usually for short amounts of time. A lot of members weren't interested in a lowsec war, but we found it fun. And as far as capblob goes, you goes jumped rher on us multiple times (to absolutely no effect other than being having a carrier and support getting its arse kicked by 6 bs) before VHI alone jumped carriers and one dread to arifs area in the hope of killing rher, yet he stayed on the dock point unless there was already a 2-1 advantage. And guerrilla warfare? Most of the major fights involved you attacking us/preparing to attack us. Arifs 3 wouldn't had happened if you guys hadn't organised an entire fleet at a planet at 0. The hag/dud fight you jumped your fleet on us. When did we ever use guerrilla warfare?
Xonja 2zero Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.11 00:22:00 - [57] This is an official diplomatic statement. Below are some fixes to allegiations that are simply incorrect. Originally by: Peoke Now im wondering why post a gloat thread. even if they dont accept it in thier eyes. its 0.0 expirineced pvpers/pirates vs omber mining care bears. all respect i had for the skill of vhi is almost lost with a thread like this. the alliance your supposidly killing lives in low sec. grwo some balls and kill a real alliance then post a gloat thread. We are a pirate alliance, and we pirate in lowsec. The VIGIL call themselves an anti-pirate alliance. Due to our professions we caught our mutual attention and went to work. We took it all the way and defeated VIGIL. Often enough carebears tell us to "come to 0.0 where the big boys play" after we appropriated or destroyed their expensive toy and/or pod. We choose not to be in 0.0 because it's not our play style. Some of us gave it a try during VHI's time in SMASH, but an egotripping powerjunkie of an alliance leader spoiled it for us forever, and we don't regret going back to lowsec. Originally by: Peoke after the first day i realized this war was worse then killing puppies. now vhi figured you deserved more then i and left to finish you. if you want to see our cap ship fleet and smash just smack some more and convo me in game. i will make time to wipe [your faces] with [my] ego. VHI did not leave SMASH alliance because of VIGIL. We left because fighting in 0.0 was our worst EVE experience ever. Being bullied around, threatened and shouted at daily by the incompetent Fleet Commander who showed up 2 hours late to his own fleet, and could work with nothing but tacklers (expendable) and Battleships (expendable) sums up this experience. Everyone hated this person and people in the whole alliance talked behind his back, making a joke out of SMASH leadership. This person is you, Peoke. Now stop derailing this thread.
Jinn Eleuter Peace and understanding	Posted - 2007.06.11 11:52:00 - [58] Originally by: Marcathonas Edited by: Marcathonas on 10/06/2007 21:39:15 Oh god, when the hell did anyone run from YOU? Multiple times, you were engaged and left dying before delta saved your ass. At one point druz fought you, 2 myrms, and a rook, and you got out alive because delta is extremely good at what he does. You are not. And you were in a bloody nostorp rokh so it's not like druz had ship advantage. You engaged the terms, you attacked us in your larger gangs, and you died. I really dont get why you lie so much on the forums that it fills me with INTERNET RAAAAAAAAAGE. 1. I cant recall when i was dying to SMASH and when Delta came to save me 2. In fight you mentioned, there was Doinks munnin and another bs (maybe Grux dominix or Cairo's hyperion, cant recall) but they bailed. And i had guns fitted, i recall how doink escaped my optimal when i got him to 50% armor. 2 heavy nos dont make ship nos-ship. 3. You dont fight outnumbered and outgunned, stop already constructing image like you are doing that. 4. Im posting just to make you mad. 5. I agree with Xonja, real men, women, are fighting in empire. 0.0 true-uber-mega-super-duper-lag-exploit pvpers, go away.
Pehova Mindtriq Endgame.	Posted - 2007.06.11 12:08:00 - [59] I have no idea who Vigil or molotov alliance are but after this thread I'm cheering for VIGIL. Although it's most likely that in 5 minutes i'll forget I've ever read this thread.
Marcathonas Minmatar Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:31:00 - [60] Originally by: Jinn Eleuter 1. I cant recall when i was dying to SMASH and when Delta came to save me 2. In fight you mentioned, there was Doinks munnin and another bs (maybe Grux dominix or Cairo's hyperion, cant recall) but they bailed. And i had guns fitted, i recall how doink escaped my optimal when i got him to 50% armor. 2 heavy nos dont make ship nos-ship. 3. You dont fight outnumbered and outgunned, stop already constructing image like you are doing that. 4. Im posting just to make you mad. 5. I agree with Xonja, real men, women, are fighting in empire. 0.0 true-uber-mega-super-duper-lag-exploit pvpers, go away. 1. You have a bad memory. Druz attacked you, got attacked by 2 myrms, killed them, was making his way through you, then got jammed for 5 minutes nonstop by delta. And we couldn't remove delta because he also jammed up anyone who tried to kill him. 2. D0ink's a nubfag. 3. Yes we do. Arifs 3 you had more BS, a dread, a CS, and larger numbers. 7 v 12 on the initial warpin. You also had ewar. We did not, contrary to what you think, fit ECCM or anything. We fit standard PVP fits, and were forced to leave after the phoenix popped my tempest. 4. <3 5. Yes.

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