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Erfurt VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.05 00:57:00 - [241] Good Luck in the future. It is nice to see the respect from BoB in this thread. Erfurt "Far better it is to dare mighty things, than to take rank with those poor, timid spirits who know neither victory nor defeat."
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.06.05 01:02:00 - [242] Kinda saddens to see all the negative stuff people post here...dudes... just let it go. GL to all of the future ex D2 members! - BH
mafutero Princeps Corp YouWhat	Posted - 2007.06.05 01:06:00 - [243] \o/ ______________ 420 baby!
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Mandatory Suicide Incorporated	Posted - 2007.06.05 01:10:00 - [244] Originally by: Erfurt Good Luck in the future. It is nice to see the respect from BoB in this thread. Erfurt Yep...it's shocking We fought hard in branch, we engaged when we were outnumbered on a daily basis. Our FC's threw us into battle to have fun. We DID have that fun. For months we had seen the writing on the wall. Anyone that fought us in Branch recently would have seen that you outnumbered us on countless occasions. We still fought, call it nads, call it having a laugh with your mates, but we jumped in for fun , in convo with the hostiles....they were not prepared to take such loses jumping to us The guys I know played for fun, but the enemy were playing for employment Sig removed...coz like, you know sometimes I pirate...no, not pirating..err defending the gurista..yes that's the one
Rukaz Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.05 01:14:00 - [245] Thankyou for being part of this epic D2. Best of luck to you all. Rukaz.
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 01:15:00 - [246] Zrevak Ashek, I imagine the sadness of what you just said won't hit you for some time, but big wars like these are perhaps some of the most fun EVE has ever offered. You just have to play long enough to see the utter pointlessness of shying away from any aspects of EVE that are popularly labeled as boring or mundane by people like yourself. And eventually you will learn that its not the tasks that bore people, its fighting the same targets over and over. It is usually very easy to hate the enemy in the start, but it only means you will hate yourself towards the end when they prove themselves formidable. People simply run out of good reasons to pursue victory, and want change. As an example, I know CE has struggled with all the roadblocks D2 put up, and in my opinion there are circumstances where defeat puts you better off than any victory. Being able to field a capital fleet twice the size of most alliances at the corporate level means there is really no good reason why they need to ally with anyone. Change is good, at least this way theres a small chance we'll get the fights D2 was unable to provide in whatever offshoot alliances are formed.
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.05 01:24:00 - [247] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 05/06/2007 01:32:46 Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 05/06/2007 01:26:09 Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 05/06/2007 01:24:25 Originally by: Flinx Evenstar The guys I know played for fun, but the enemy were playing for employment I take exception to that, Flinx. We never spammed - not once. We never set anti-social hours for our POS. And we came to the POS battles at times YOU set, even when you threw up a dozen large pos in C4C or L-C just to try to sicken us. That just made us even more determined, and had us really work at our turn out for them. Ask OoZoO or whoever the spy in MC is- he will know how hard we worked to get those capital fleets out day in day out. We did it the other way, with between two and five large POS only in each system to encourage you to try to fight. If we had six dreads, online, that's what we turned up with, evem when you had a Titan ready to jump - on one occasion only that cost us a dread, and then only because he crashed as we were pulling out and got stuck in an extra siege cycle. I was playing the game of EVE for fun, and isk for my Alliance, and pride in my Corp, and lastly, personal revenge for what D2 did to ISS when it was under attack in the South. Myn
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.05 01:24:00 - [248] Originally by: Obron Mettlo So you tell me, what should we have done to prop D2 up against BoB's pets and MC, as we are fighting BoB + Pets in 77S8 everyday? Just give up our space and go help D2 fulltime? You're being kind of ridiculous if you think the kind of help we could have provided while still managing to defend our space would have made a difference. If by "they were too busy running plexes." you mean "fighting BoB in 77S8 everyday", then yes, you are right. It's easy to sling mud like this when you have no idea what's happening in a different region - I can just as easily blame D2 for "not doing ANYTHING" for so long as you can blame us for "not doing anything" or "running complexes". So I stand by my words - D2's performance, or lack there of, was incredibly disappointing. Even if Schlieren's troll was harsh, he has a point - the D2 we fought in XGH never had a problem replacing dreads, towers, battleships, or what have you. Based on that, we expected them not to hold out, but to beat MC+Pets. Like I said, disappointing. I'm not talking about what you are doing right now. Once fade/deklein fell it was pretty much all over for the north. Once hostile POS's come under attack that was the time this all could have been prevented. I'm sure some one was attacking some region in the south, but that's always the case everywhere. Making an effort to defend fade could have either stopped the attacks on the north and reversed the momentum into d2's favor or made bob step in up there. If it stopped the attacks on fade and reversed the momentum it could have re-energized the north with a much needed victory and brought them back to assaulting bob space, keeping them occupied. Or it would have brought bob to the north. Either way that would have been to your benefit because it weakens bob's ability to launch assaults on the south. But it seems like the south made a few miscalculations. Counting on the north to put up a big enough fight to where bob would actually have to go up there to fight and that a victory over the north would satisfy bob and be the conclusion of the major invasions in the war. Neither happened so now GS will be lunch for bob too. I think goonswarm are getting played just like d2. My theory: RA are counting on bob stopping their attacks with goonswarm. Fairly reasonable assumption imo. Why would bob assault RA space when they can get a clear-cut victory against goonswarm, return to delve as winners of the war. Attacking RA space would be more trouble than benifit at that point. BoB know that to kill RA essentially means keeping a large permanent occupying force in cashe. Otherwise RA would just let bob take the space, wait until they leave, and take the stations back. On that assumption RA know the best way to end this war and get back to their own interests is to let goonswarm get killed by bob so that bob can end the war with a victory. GS are merely someone to fuel pos's so RA have station access to drop off overseer effects. RA know bob wont leave with out a victory over the south, BOB know taking RA space might be easy at first, but in the end will be more trouble than it's worth. At this point RA know the only thing that will satisfy BOB is gaining a victory over both the south and the north. The north has already been sacrificed. GS will be too to satisfy bob's need for a victory in the south. You don't have to like what I'm saying, but I really dont see any other alternative. Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why - Targoviste
Skrypt Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 01:26:00 - [249] Good luck, guys. "I know. I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men." ~ Malcolm Wallace (Braveheart)
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.05 01:27:00 - [250] ASCN's in good company now. - Gob Now with 20% extra emo!

pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.05 01:28:00 - [251] Originally by: Jotan Veer I have a honest question, please don't take it as flame. Do you guys (D2) still think that letting ASCN die and not starting the war sooner was a good idea? Just one of those 'what if' things I guess. It's hindsight, but you're right. In the exact same way it was a bad idea for the southern coalition not to back up D2 in fade. Funny how history keeps repeating itself eh? Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why - Targoviste
Genghis Temuchin Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.06.05 01:38:00 - [252] Hi there. To my enemies since I've been in the game ... Sad to see ya go ... don't let the door hit ya on the way out. Happy hunting, Genghis
Adam C 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.05 01:40:00 - [253] whenever an Alliance crumbles 5 more take its place - oh joy --------------------------
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.05 01:42:00 - [254] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Jotan Veer I have a honest question, please don't take it as flame. Do you guys (D2) still think that letting ASCN die and not starting the war sooner was a good idea? Just one of those 'what if' things I guess. It's hindsight, but you're right. In the exact same way it was a bad idea for the southern coalition not to back up D2 in fade. Funny how history keeps repeating itself eh? Why would anybody want to back up D2? Whom did they ever help aside from IRON? The pets they let run up north were just meet shields that D2 never supported. They let alliances like FE, PA NBSI die when FIVE were attacking, they let FA, NORAD, goons in Syndicate die when BoB attacked them, they attacked ASCN while blue to them. Again. Why would anybody want to back up D2?
Agmar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.05 01:45:00 - [255] Originally by: Skrypt Good luck, guys. That is sooooo deep Skirt....
Moriev GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.05 01:52:00 - [256] I'm relatively too new to understand all this bad blood and internet political drama really ranks way low on my "list of things to give a damn about", so I'll just say it's a shame things turned out this way, despite what my corp and alliance mates might say. Good luck.
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.05 01:52:00 - [257] A real shame it had to end in such a crappy way guys, but overall your run was pretty good. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!"
Aleric Vikyz Shadow Of The Light R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.05 01:56:00 - [258] Edited by: Aleric Vikyz on 05/06/2007 01:56:35 D2 was full of great pilots held back by a lack of strategic vision in the upper echelons. I've got nothing but respect for most of you. Nothing but disdain for some(I was in FLA...enough said). Good luck to all of you.
Zylatis Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 02:11:00 - [259] o7
Fata Mea M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.06.05 02:13:00 - [260] Respect to D2, you built a great empire in the north. Good luck to your members and their future adventures. --------------------------- Fata Mea US TZ Director M.CORP / MPIRE

Obron Mettlo Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.05 02:19:00 - [261] Edited by: Obron Mettlo on 05/06/2007 02:18:24 Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Obron Mettlo So you tell me, what should we have done to prop D2 up against BoB's pets and MC, as we are fighting BoB + Pets in 77S8 everyday? Just give up our space and go help D2 fulltime? You're being kind of ridiculous if you think the kind of help we could have provided while still managing to defend our space would have made a difference. If by "they were too busy running plexes." you mean "fighting BoB in 77S8 everyday", then yes, you are right. It's easy to sling mud like this when you have no idea what's happening in a different region - I can just as easily blame D2 for "not doing ANYTHING" for so long as you can blame us for "not doing anything" or "running complexes". So I stand by my words - D2's performance, or lack there of, was incredibly disappointing. Even if Schlieren's troll was harsh, he has a point - the D2 we fought in XGH never had a problem replacing dreads, towers, battleships, or what have you. Based on that, we expected them not to hold out, but to beat MC+Pets. Like I said, disappointing. I'm not talking about what you are doing right now. Once fade/deklein fell it was pretty much all over for the north. Once hostile POS's come under attack that was the time this all could have been prevented. I'm sure some one was attacking some region in the south, but that's always the case everywhere. Making an effort to defend fade could have either stopped the attacks on the north and reversed the momentum into d2's favor or made bob step in up there. If it stopped the attacks on fade and reversed the momentum it could have re-energized the north with a much needed victory and brought them back to assaulting bob space, keeping them occupied. Or it would have brought bob to the north. Either way that would have been to your benefit because it weakens bob's ability to launch assaults on the south. But it seems like the south made a few miscalculations. Counting on the north to put up a big enough fight to where bob would actually have to go up there to fight and that a victory over the north would satisfy bob and be the conclusion of the major invasions in the war. Neither happened so now GS will be lunch for bob too. I think goonswarm are getting played just like d2. My theory: RA are counting on bob stopping their attacks with goonswarm. Fairly reasonable assumption imo. Why would bob assault RA space when they can get a clear-cut victory against goonswarm, return to delve as winners of the war. Attacking RA space would be more trouble than benifit at that point. BoB know that to kill RA essentially means keeping a large permanent occupying force in cashe. Otherwise RA would just let bob take the space, wait until they leave, and take the stations back. On that assumption RA know the best way to end this war and get back to their own interests is to let goonswarm get killed by bob so that bob can end the war with a victory. GS are merely someone to fuel pos's so RA have station access to drop off overseer effects. RA know bob wont leave with out a victory over the south, BOB know taking RA space might be easy at first, but in the end will be more trouble than it's worth. At this point RA know the only thing that will satisfy BOB is gaining a victory over both the south and the north. The north has already been sacrificed. GS will be too to satisfy bob's need for a victory in the south. You don't have to like what I'm saying, but I really dont see any other alternative. Thanks for side-stepping every single one of my points and managing to sneak in your own unfounded tin-foil conspiracy theories to make up for the lack of content your reply would had otherwise. These are the types of posts I expected from COAD .
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.06.05 02:23:00 - [262] It is pretty disgusting to read the well whishes from BoB and their allies. Hollow words, and preperation for the assimilation of the tasty elements of D2. At least the Coalition had the decency not to pull that crap with LV. But I guess it is official BoB/MC policy. No surprise realy. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.05 02:28:00 - [263] Originally by: Moonlight Express Why would anybody want to back up D2? Certainly not for their love of D2. If that was the only element to the situation I'd agree with you. It's not that simple though. But if you were an alliance who considers bob a potential threat to your existance or space then it would still have been in your best interest to back up both ASCN and D2. (i'm not saying d2 and ascn were the same. just comparable situations) By backing up ASCN and D2 all bob hostile alliances had the opertunity to confront bob with great numbers while in a situation that was not a direct threat to their own space. If you've ever been invaded by bob then you know this is preferable to fighting them in your own space. It's hard to argue that goonswarm would not be better off right now if they had backed up d2 in fade, freeing up the north to continue to assault bob in their own space. Same goes for ASCN. If RA/GS/D2/AAA had all chosen to back up ASCN things might have gone a lot differently. That would have been the pinnacle of strength for the anti-bob coalition. Instead everyone decided they were too uber to be seen fighting for ASCN. They decided it was more fun to call them hobbits and talk about how much they suck. The result being the north has been crushed, bob are taking over the south, goonswarm having "unrelated internal issues". The ghost of Cyvok seems to be haunting the north and south atm. Until the anti-bobbits pull their heads out of their asses and start basing their political/military decisions on what is best for their alliance's future long term there will always be another ASCN/D2/etc. Bob and co will continue to embarrass you individually since you have all proven you can't work together. OFC ppl don't like D2. and ofc you are right that D2 wouldn't have backed them up if the tables were turned. But its not about that. Originally by: Moonlight Express Why would anybody want to back up D2? Whom did they ever help aside from IRON? The pets they let run up north were just meet shields that D2 never supported. They let alliances like FE, PA NBSI die when FIVE were attacking, they let FA, NORAD, goons in Syndicate die when BoB attacked them, they attacked ASCN while blue to them. Again. Why would anybody want to back up D2? I couldn't agree more about D2. That's why we are in branch attacking them even though it is indirectly helping Bob who have set us to permanent -10. Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why - Targoviste
NAFnist Domination.	Posted - 2007.06.05 02:29:00 - [264] Alot of good pvpers came out of D2. GL in the future -
SigmaPi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 02:36:00 - [265] Respect. Best of luck to you in the future. /Siggy
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.05 02:36:00 - [266] GL may u find some vengence in times to come. Enjoyed my time up north with u all just wish there had been a bit more time for u befor the war kicked off.
Domalais Equilibrium LLC FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 02:43:00 - [267] Originally by: Moonlight Express Why would anybody want to back up D2? Whom did they ever help aside from IRON? The pets they let run up north were just meet shields that D2 never supported. They let alliances like FE, PA NBSI die when FIVE were attacking, they let FA, NORAD, goons in Syndicate die when BoB attacked them, they attacked ASCN while blue to them. Again. Why would anybody want to back up D2? Hear hear. I think some people have forgotten about the "great northern cleansing."
Sir Lolle Amarr Band of Brolols	Posted - 2007.06.05 02:48:00 - [268] Originally by: Victor Vision It is pretty disgusting to read the well whishes from BoB and their allies. Hollow words, and preperation for the assimilation of the tasty elements of D2. At least the Coalition had the decency not to pull that crap with LV. But I guess it is official BoB/MC policy. No surprise realy. It's alot easier to recruit pets from alliance remnants if you tell them how great they are and how much e-respect you have for them. Just look at the former-ASCN alliances paying rent to BoB right now for a text-book example. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected][orange] with a link to your signature. - Elm
Coolgamer Minmatar Res Publica R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.05 03:21:00 - [269] Edited by: Coolgamer on 05/06/2007 03:21:09 O/ to your pilots but i'm happy D2 is gone, as former member of Galactic Aphelion, a little alliance, you have let dieing long time ago in the north. And then you claimed to be Rise friends in Cloud Ring, supporting openly our ennemies same time. Good riddance !
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.05 03:26:00 - [270] Originally by: Victor Vision It is pretty disgusting to read the well whishes from BoB and their allies. Hollow words, and preperation for the assimilation of the tasty elements of D2. At least the Coalition had the decency not to pull that crap with LV. But I guess it is official BoB/MC policy. No surprise realy. If they want to join BOB, MC, or Brutor Tribe, who's going to stop them? I'd rather see them put together a new alliance that could topple BOB or another major power, but so far defeated mega-alliances haven't shown the ability to do that. BOB is smart to recruit their enemies. It's not unimaginable that some other alliance could learn from this and poach active pilots when their alliances fail them...BOB/MC have no patent on this, just a proven history of doing it very effectively. There are always circumstances that will cause someone to turn down even them, though...



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